Disgusting, Seized 1950s Marx F3 Locomotive - Can We Make it Run?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- I picked this locomotive up in an eBay lot several months ago. It was already clear then that this thing was not in good condition however it wasn't until I decided to work on it, I discovered just how bad it was. The entire drive system was sized and coated in old, dried lubricant. The shell was full of all sorts disgusting debris and covered in dust and stained with rust.
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Dude for real
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Facts
Yeah this is something that needs to be looked into,cherno is going mad with power
with my experience with marx being mainly all i run on my o gauge tracks they usually dont take too much to get em goin after a prolonged set up period they tend to be pretty forgiving.
That looks like a model power f3 maybe model power used those f3 shells
The shells do look kinda similar.
What kind of power box do you use?
An MRC Tech iii 9500 series
I believe you could get it running
Wd-40 is non conduct It is one off your best electric motors cleaners
No China train there........that's american quality
Tough as nails.
SMT, although it may not seem like you should do it now, but investing in an ultrasonic cleaner may be of aid to your work. Not only can certain solutions help with paint stripping, it can also help with cleaning parts from the motors of old corroded engines like this one. From what I know, its quite a great investment and can do quite some good cleaning with the solution of choice being reusable for quite a few more times, highly recommended because of ease of use and efficiency.
I really should since it would probably do a better job than I do.
@@SMTMainline Have you thought of 'selling' or winning off your collection of locomotives? I'm sure you have vast amount of wonderful locomotives collecting dust that might need a new home? Scotty Kilmer has a contest for 'best, kind, helpful comment or clean comment' wins his tools, or right price contribution? Just a crazy idea... I don't know the laws in Canada to US on contests/selling ect or even donating? Perhaps have cleaning/service instructions tools used to service locomotives?
Harrison... you have SMT as a rescue mission for abused locos... great job mate...🤓👍🇺🇸
Thanks
'Mouse remnants" sounds great with a Canadian accent....
The Rock is no longer a paperweight. Back to life, back to reality. That was one grungy locomotive. You worked your magic once again, Harry. 😁 Might need some new traction tires to keep her from wobbling down the track.
Thanks for sharing. 👍👍👍
That rock island paint scheme is amazing
I love it
It is probably old enough that the Rock locomotives were still in their original paint, too!
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I'm a long time (since 1985) Lionel collector/operator but I have to say Marx trains were almost bullet-proof! I was not surprised to see that little Rock Island come back to life. I've been a subscriber for a while now and I'm very impressed with your expertise. Good work!
They combine simple design with decent quality parts.
So, the Nokia of trains?
I’m an HO collector love it
Not in a clean state? Well...it COULD be from here in California!!!! :)
Ohhh man Lol
Hey, SMT... I notice you have bare wires connected to your transformer... have you considered using alligator clips? They're really helpful in most situations.
i"ve mentioned that to him in the past.....
@@dancalmpeaceful3903 Maybe he doesn't like the idea of clipping alligators???
@@antonbruce1241 I only do it when I've been drinking....ha!
14VDC on one's nipples CAN be stimulating- not to mention the inherent pain factor...
Serenity Harrison!!!!! I am wondering if one of the LaBelle lubricants 107 would work as well. I have the type "107" in my inventory.
Now this could be just me, but....I might have taken that motor and drive train and left it in an alcohol bath for an hour or two, then blown it dry with compressed air (we computer geeks ALWAYS have a can or two of that around), THEN libruicated it. But what you did obviously worked as well.
Rubbing alcohol and a toothbrush for me....works great....
I agree....that thing needed an alcohol bath....or turpentine......that thing was groady as hell....
@@dancalmpeaceful3903 Turpentine might soften or even melt the plastic. The same with denatured alcohol. Even worse...acetone.
@@antonbruce1241 You're probably right about that. Anyway you look at it, I would have taken it apart and soaked it in something. That thing was beyond disgusting....
I love that paint scheme! Keep up the great work!
Haven't finished watching yet, but already have my line for SMT: "Disgusting, and I'm... loving it". Apologies to the Get Smart show.
as cleveland brown would say “oh that’s nasty”
I agree with him, haha
@@JayPlateFaceVideos not the football team also how’d that 11-0 run end out
@@JayPlateFaceVideos 1. not a browns fan
2. i said not the football team clearly you’ve never watched family guy or the cleveland show
Incredible job getting this beautiful locomotive running again! This was one of the most thorough restorations you’ve done in a while!
Thank you!
@@SMTMainline I think it was quite cool that you got something that probably went through a flood working again and that is one tough motor to go through that and still run in that kind of condition!
@@patrickellison4234 Thanks, this was one of the rougher ones I’ve worked on.
@@SMTMainline your welcome.
Invest in a ultrasonic cleaner. Drop the whole truck in and watch the dirt come out from the nooks and crannies. Use mid soap then lube as usual.
This loco needs an automotive parts washer to get it clean!
I have an old Marx caboose with a paint job that matches that old girl....
SMT Mainline I found a lionel 2-4-2 locomotive back in the late 1970's in a ditch covered in mud under water, I pulled it out of the mud and took it home, I got the water hose and sprayed it down and washed all the mud out of it, while the locomotive was wet I put oil on all the motor parts and gears and let it dry fo about a week in around 80 degree weather, I then oiled the parts and put grease on the gears and put her on the track and turned on the power and she was a runner! I don't know how long it was in the mud in this ditch but I think the mud helped keep the motor safe...
The build quality for this loco's drive-system seems pretty choice. Great job.
Yeah, they aren't the most detailed but these were well made, affordable locomotives.
those were also made for AMERICAN FLYER to marked as pike master ho scale trains !!!.
I wasn't aware of that.
Congratulations on this repair, it looked terrible at the start but you’ve won it over. Great work and a super result
Nice work on getting this old Marx back in running condition. I have one comment that might help you with your soldering. Make sure to clean the tips and tin them as well. If you find that your gun is not getting hot enough try loosening the nuts where the tips are and re tighten them. Your soldering is dull meaning there could be cold soldering connections. Causing problems later on. I am 74 years old and have repaired many electronic devices and many are caused simply from cold solder connections. You might want to invest in a good soldering station instead of a high heat gun. Just saying.
You have acquired a lot of Rock Island stuff I've noticed. Fun fact, the Rock Island is my favorite fallen flag.
I grew up with the Rock Island, in fact the 1873 robbery by the James Gang occured just west of my hometown!
I have a friend that is into antiques and old model trains!
His storage unit got flooded out and he gave me some old train stuff!
The 2 Bachmann transformers still worked ok!
2 of the engines were destroyed and unremarkable! The 1 engine I was able to get running was a blue box athearn GP7!
It actually had fine dried mud in it! I took it apart and cleaned it the best I could and is now one of my main layout engines!
Wow good job working on this locomotive. I would say what you probably thinking was in the shell of the locomotive is what you seen. I remember when I got my Tyco Chattanooga it was very dirty and had a bad smell to it musty basement etc . its truly amazing that marx locomotive works .
Great job Harrison......one of your best efforts to date 👍
This is making me want to get into the hobby
Those traction tires need to be replaced
Now, just give it a rear coupler and re decal that RI lettering on the right side & she'll be a nicely weathered engine.
Neat harrison i bet your efforts have been payed off bud!
They sure did!
Nice job, Harrison.
This looks like a miracle, great job!
So glad you got it Fixed ,Rock Island is my Favourite Railroad
It was a mighty fine line...
He always say he dint expect to see these trains running again and aways end the vid with then running like a new one
That’s impressive. You do great work.
You don't have to be too cautious with WD-40 on electrical components as you can even use it, as spray, on electronics. Check out Scotty Kilmer automotive videos with, among other uses such as cleaning, WD-40 being an excellent moisture dispersant on electrical and electronic items after a vehicle has had large amounts of water thrown into the engine. compartment.
I recall when I worked in one hobby shop years ago the slightly older kid running the store using it on Lionel O27 so much that it actually caught fire, sort of like an alcohol fire, low temp and went out quickly. But it did the job.
@@CR7659 Just to clarify I would only use it when no electric current hook up.
@@kenhanks9620 I'm just pointing out even with extreme misuse it's relatively benign.
I mostly agree but as you said, I wouldn't power it up because having that crap in the commutator is nothing but trouble. I'm also not sure if the brushes would absorb the oil but that could be a problem too.
Maybe you can get a nice set of decals for the Rock Island and put those on the loco? You MIGHT be able to get those from Microscale... And of course, SMT has it all put back together and she's quite the runner!
It would be nice to fix up the cosmetic condition.
@@SMTMainline That crack in the shell is not gonna be easy. Although "crack in the shell" does sound like it's from a gourmet drug house....
Great to see that thing run again. Did u notice one of the wheels on the plastic side had a big chunk missing out of it?
SUPER DUPER!
Nice job. Good to see this engine saved. Love these old F units. 👍
Nice F3 locomotive, Rock Island, good job in repair the F3, and run in the HO scale layout.
Where is you 🐱 ?.
Scooby Doo is a good dog.
Scooby Dum is a nice dog.
Scrappy Doo my pup.
Awesome engine! Its pre-weathered to Rock Island condition!
Yeah, some of them got to looking pretty sketchy before they made it back to Silvis...
CONDUCTIVE LUBRICANTS CAN, WILL, AND DOES SHORT OUT COMMUTATORS IF IT FILLS IN THE GAPS. IF USED, USE SPARINGLY AS POSSIBLE!!!
IT WILL BURN UP YOUR MOTOR. YOUR TRAIN, AND MAYBE OTHER. Just rebuilt a MARX, EXACTLY like that one. A Baltimore &Ohio. What years did they make these drive shaft models??
Very interesting Video!!! Lot of Work Cleaning 🧹 and lubricate! While you at it, I Was Surprised 🙀 that you Didn't convert it into a DCC!!!! Remove the old bulb 💡 and install a LED light instead! White Color type, Not the Blueish type. Install a speaker inside for real Train Sounds. If you going to do all the Work, Go All the Way and go for the gusto!!!!! There's Nothing like DCC for realistic operating HO Scale Model Railroad!!!!!!🚂🚂🚂🏍️🏍️🏍️
My OCD is screaming 😱,
Please clean that throughout before reassembling
@5:55 ... It didn't work because you connected the positive & negative power leads to the tensioning SPRING ... which is ONE CONTIGUIOUS WIRE ... in other words a direct short. If you would have connected the leads to the motor's contact brushes, one side being insulated from the tensioning spring, it would have worked. You might want to invest in some electronics cleaner spray ... or if you can't find any try automotive break or carburetor cleaner spray (but watch out for contact with materials it could dissolve) ... makes cleaning & degreasing allot easier.
A hint on servicing commutators ... after you clean out all the gaps you can fill them with a non-conductive epoxy and (after it hardens) you can resurface them into one smooth contiguous surface. This way misc. carbon crud can't build up in the gaps and cause shorts. Use a variable speed drill and some fine jewelers files or emery boards to smooth the surface back to round.
Other fun facts ...
- Get yourself some hemostats, clip them onto the leads below where you are soldering to prevent heat from traveling to things that can melt.
- For the love of # insert deity of choice here # please clean your soldering equipment and other tools. ua-cam.com/video/Fp37DPZVdRI/v-deo.html
- Isopropyl Alcohol is not a solvent for petroleum based products. It might dissolve some food based oils but not petroleum based oils/greases.
- NYLON gears are SELF LUBRICATING therefore do NOT require any lubrication (even with nylon to metal).
If you replace the traction tyre some of that slow speed wobble might go away?
That would probably help it.
To add what HJ Miller has said, a medium ultrasonic cleaner in th UK is about £30, from ebay, mine has improved my loco cleaning very well, i use a truck cleaning fluid, diluted 10 /1 with water, cheap and efective
What I think with this engine is that it was probably discovered in some old junk box - in possibly an estate sale and the person who purchased the contents of that aged box discovered this engine inside, amongst others. Instead of looking at it and saying, realistically, it has a broken and cracked front end of the body, all faded paint, obvious rust....I'll just toss it in the trash....the instead thought was, "I'll just spend the listing fees, put it on eBay and I'm sure someone will want to buy it".... and for real, someone did. Thank God for eBay, eh?
I couldn't get my Marx F3 Rock Island to run with the original motor so I carved up the shell and got it to fit a old Bachmann F7 chassie and motor in it and it works. Wish I could have fixed the original motor but I couldn't. Also I have the same controller you have :) it's a great DC controller
I have a unpowered B unit to this engine that’s in great condition! I use it as a track cleaner funny thing about it lol! Theirs a gap under it I slides a track cleaner brush on it and it works quite well
SMT - The Robert Grossman Company sells parts for Marx trains - both O gauge & HO scale. They have a catalog on their website.
Authentic weathering
And finally
That conductive or contact lube has more uses then you'd think .
At times I have trouble getting my phone to charge and I take the smallest drop and WAAA LAAAA
charged .
Just a little bit of something to think about .
Due to your videos I have been repairing some of Dad's 60's&70's N scale locos. Tonight's success story is a rivarossi c liner. Needed to rest replace motor with newer can motor but it now runs well enough I will put a decoder in it. Have a second one to restore and a big boy to restore next thanks for the inspiration
Oil and grease do not clean with alcohol. Alcohol is polar solvent, so it can only be used on polar pollutants. wd40 removes oil and grease perfectly, then you can blow it or wipe it off. You can also use contact cleaner spray, to lubricate and clean electrical parts without any shorts. I am also surprised that you did not start by cleaning, usually this allows you to assess the situation much better. Finally, when soldering on old points, always remove old solder and use fresh solder and flux, to avoid cold joints. I would also replace the light bulb with a LED.
Italy...ma smontalo tutto!!!e dalle una bella pulizia profonda,vedrai che risultato!!!
Have you ever changed a baby's diaper ? That's nastier than the interior of this F3 ! Acky Poo !!
Is the cylindrical object above the front truck a capacitor? Looks big enough to be an AA battery.
It might be a weight....
I think it's just an odd weight.
@@SMTMainline Agreed. A capacitor the size of an AA batt would probably propel the engine for another 6 or 8 feet of dead track.
Cool! I live in Rock Island Oklahoma..Along the old Frisco main. On 6th video today.
I was handed down my grandmothers Marx set it's the Great Northern F3 still in it's original box with everything, hasn't ran in over 30 years and I thought of this video to try and get it back to it's former glory
Can you make it run? I suspect so, otherwise the video would be a bit anti-climactic wouldn't it?😁
That looks to be an EMD F2A, not an F3A.
I can't tell the difference
Only difference is the F2s have three porthole windows on the sides rather than the two porthole windows the F3s use
@@SMTMainline Also, you should've given the bodyshell a soapy water bath (use a degreaser-type soap for the job)
On aircraft we use ACF50 to clean contacts. I put it in a pill bottle and it lasts forever, just a dip of a Qtip in it and it takes the crud off the commutator and it leaves a safe film the doesn’t effect operation, but won’t allow corrosion in the future.
Like a phoenix from the ashes!!! Well done. That was nasty !! Who knows what was all over that locomotive.
i am always amazed at how you manage to give so many old electric trains a new lease on life; you do a great job!
Its a shame you couldn't take apart the trucks for a really good cleaning, but the work you did made everything alot better
What is your opinion on using fine soft dremel tools for cleaning wheels and other places for better Electric conductivity?
Please get yourself an ultrasonic cleaner and do the cleanup job properly. All your refurbs look so unnecessarily tedious. Use a solution that is friendly to electronics and let the machine do the work so you can focus more on the skilled component of the rebuild.
I see you still not gotten alligator clips for your power wires.
1. Naptha
2. Electronic parts cleaner spray
3. Ultrasonic cleaner machine
Looks like a Penn Line clone. Body shell is inaccurate - better to replace with Athearn.
Oddly enough, the one I had only had a front coupler too!
Ratchet should never be confused for wretched. It's not very erudite, austere or eloquent.
Sorry but that's not a weight that's a really really old Capacitor witch also doubles as a weight .
The Rock Island Line is the road to ride, but if you want to ride it, you've got to buy your ticket at the station.
Great job rehabbing a super clogged and disgustingly dirty unit.
An electrical spray cleaner is made that also lubes the works. It would have cleaned this like new.
Is it possible to replace the traction tires without having to drill out the rivets to disassemble the trucks?
The patina looks great, I would dust it off and dull coat it.
Probably first but I’m not that guy
i know there are many youtube tutorials on how to deep clean the body, and the results are mind blowing!
use brake cleaner and spray it to clean that engine, it breaks down any grease and oil based stuff and will do the job like a charm
I would suggest you get a can of electronics cleaner much easier and better than alcohol for the cleaning you were doing
I have this exact locomotive packed away in the attic with its original set, including the box.
I haven't tried to run it in probably 50 years but I sure do remember that noise and smell from my childhood.
Thanks to your video, I'm inspired to break it out and, hopefully, regenerating those childhood memories. Thanks!
Would have cleaned more before putting brushes on
Great loco and good job !
Where you go to purchase replacement brushes and clips?
Super cool!
I cut clear.plastic to fit into the glass openings for appearance to look better
15:12 see that the metal to make contact with track is busted on the wheel here top right, don't know how that would make contact well
so it has a motor in rhe back truck, but it turns a driveshaft that goes all the way to the front truck?