@dririthlan Thanks for the link. I think that video was much better. I see what you mean now. To jeaneen2, I think it depends. I think the optimistic people who tell you, "DON'T THINK ABOUT IT", I think those are the ones you have to be careful with. You see, the point that I want to argue is, what is optimism really? In Sharot's conclusion she said, being optimistic increases achievement and results. But through what lens are we viewing this?
This video answered some questions I had. I am a pessimist to the point I've been called depressed, although I don't feel that way. There is just a strong feeling of being different than the naive optimistic people that surround me, who always seemed to shrug off negative outcomes like it's not an issue and even get annoyed when warned about repeating mistakes. However, there's a plus to having positive bias. I constantly see these people try 10 times and fail 9. But that's still 1:0 for them.
@adapaevolved I do believe that the point is that perceiving things too optimistically can hinder some actions. As an example: one who believes he/she will not have cancer might not get a check-up regularly.
@dririthlan I used to be quite depressed when I was a teenager. I'm slowly crawling out of that but I find I'm not exactly a 100% positive person yet. The funny thing is, overly positive people can be quite negative. They avoid "negative" people at all cost. They don't want to hear that they could be wrong. This positive-thinking movement is a bit like a new religion. This is the first time I've heard the word optimism bias actually. So I googled it.
@adapaevolved That is your experience. My experience is that one can act rationally based on knowledge (and knowledge about the lack of knowledge) instead of resorting to emotionally based expectations/predictions. One can have optimistic/pessimistic expectations/predictions but do not base their actions on them and react rationally to whatever the outcome is. Why do people find so difficult to be rational?
@funofboredom more important than the inexperience in presentation seemed to be that many of the conclusions drawn seem erroneous. She believed birds were more optimistic when they went for instant reward when not sure between instant and long term reward.. this seems to be a pessimistic strategy (get what you can while it lasts). Similarly, that people who don't expect to pass, if they do pass, they feel it's luck, may well be right (esp. if they didn't study).
Yes...this woman seems uniquely blessed with an over-abundance of gums... Her research seems to be built upon and derivative of earlier studies she cited...to the extent that even I could predict the outcome of some of her 'tests'. Who said 'science' was 'hard?!' Generally though, this type of research seems benign and positive in its endeavours especially in regards to beliefs and expectations of the self concept.
@funofboredom I understand your method completely, I do the same thing. I have always had a problem with deadlines. Because usually when you don't meet them you are left defending yourself as to why you failed. And usually I don't respect any of the people in management to understand what they are asking for. These days like you I take my time with things, if I am not focusing on the imaginary deadline I am very well capable of leaking my work into my personal life.
@yinxs and now apply that positive behaviour in present science and industry where we are dealing with genetics, nuclear power etc. Optimism blocks from negative information, pessimism paralyses. People better get realistic and reasonable soon if we do not want to see the result 0:0. I don't care about expectations. I can admit that I have no real basis for my expectations (positive or negative) and I can admit when I don't know something. Do you? Do others?
but not always in a good way, for example economic bubbles that lead to crashes tend to be fueled by excessive optimism. A happy medium is probably best. Working and hoping for the best and keeping a positive but realistic attitude while remaining prepared for the worst and alert for potential problems is probably the best approach. Believing things will always "work out for the best" while ignoring critical warnings or worse pretending everything is fine in the face of a crisis is dangerous.
@adapaevolved Nope, psychologists were just using peer review over analytical data review for years to a century which did keep certain things from coming to light. These days there is something called neuropsychology which is focused more on better recording and observing the difference in all our brains. Also having expectations is not the problem, having high expectations with relation to the amount of time it takes to masters something which is usually averaged around 9 years.
@sugatoniik We are subconsciously statistical about our emotional feedback. They find as you get older you become more humble and optimistic, but mild depression can turn you into a pessimist. While setting the bar low and being surprised when you do well is far more productive than setting expectations high and being disappointed. Also google a guy called "Shawn Achor". Similar work, great presentation. But don't avoid making the effort to listen to this whole lecture as well.
@reliableandrew I completely agree with your assessment. The only conclusions I see within her 40min lecture is a recapitulation of work done by Leon Festinger and his diciples. However, the point of doing research isn't always to find groundbreaking discoveries but to find evidence for things we already 'know'. That being said, I feel that it is unfair and scientifically bias to give credence to someones work that does nothing but reaffirm what others have already concluded.
@funofboredom Exactly my sentiments. "Don't think about it" is a very destructive mental exercise. I'd say "Don't over-think it" is a healthier way of putting it. I think naturally we all want to be happy, we are addictively driven by this. But sometimes our fears tend to box us in our own thoughts. A person who is too afraid to swim destroys their chances of learning the more they convince themselves they cannot do it. Also have another link /watch?v=rTPks7XQbSw&t=5m12s
@dririthlan Shit, the order is messed up. Lastly, I just wanna say I really like the Shawn Achor video. His ideas are very progressive. And I find it gives hope to someone as lazy as me lol. But it's just how I work, I laze around and get myself into that state of mind where I'm confident I'm going to tackle the task excellently first, then I do it. But of course, if I have a tight deadline, I just have to do it. But I think there's such a problem with the culture in the workplace.
Optimism in population relates to carelessness and failed risk control that results in a whole spectrum of problems degrading our environment and harming the population itself.
@Shadow850031 I don't know why I am replying to someone who is making an opinion based off some very brief lectures. If you were at all interested in neuroscience you would be privy to the information that I am touting as common knowledge. Yet instead of explaining things to you all clearly, I have to find lectures and videos in order to get the information across. Look up a guy called Shawn Achor, and if you want to go deeper, look up a guy named Paul Bach-Y-Rita.
Maybe the birds were smarter than you knew missy... It seems to me that the optimism bias is in contradiction to our primal instincts to treat every potential threat as an actual threat, just in case it was. I would suggest that this is because the "optimism bias" is concerned with potentially good outcomes, and potentially negative situations are handled with our default setting of belief.
@dririthlan Good video you linked to. But there is nothing related to optimism there. And saying "we are able to absorb and manipulate information better while optimistically focused" is absurd. Obviously we see "better" differently. It was clearly said that people dismiss negative information. It is in no way better. Better is to analyse all available information equally and make decisions based on facts. One should leave emotions and optimism in personal relations. Otherwise it is damaging.
@Shadow850031 You don't fully understand. This among many other recent studies are concluding we are able to absorb and manipulate information better while optimistically focused. Look into something called Neuroplasaticity. There is more than enough information out there to refute your claim. /watch?v=rTPks7XQbSw
@dririthlan You know, with the equipment she has at her expense, I'd like to see if it can be proven that people think more when they're sad. Could put Hemingway's saying, "Happiness in intelligent is rare," to rest.
Listened to the podcast in full on RSA's website because there were no definitive conclusions made in the highlight video. I was dissapointed to find that there wasn't really anything concluded in the full 40min lecture. The optimism bias exists, it is cross culturally evident, description of how it functions, and having a small amount of pessimism keeps you grounded in reality. I'm sorry but I see absolutely no innovative ideas here. All I see is the retesting of previous designs.
@dririthlan my opinion is my personal experience and observations. I know Achor and Bach-Y-Rita. Their work is interesting to say the least. But your short-sighted understanding of the matter is not. I can debate over things related to rationality and emotions and possible and/or probable results of different ways of thinking continuously but youtube is not the right medium to do that. Point is speeding up a bad algorithm just gives errors quicker. One can be happy and be reasonable.
@funofboredom she would be stupid not to be optimistically biased. With the amount of new data going through neuroscience and neuro phsycology fields the more recent pivot point is on the fact that we are 31% more mentally productive when confident and happy with our own progress. /watch?v=fLJsdqxnZb0
@dririthlan Especially in Asian countries. Your bosses expects you to SHOW that you're working and isn't this a bit stupid? If you were hired for your brains, most of your work would be in your mind. You can't exactly show it until everything is finalised and written on a report or presentation. Like my favorite saying, "You can't rush art." Oh, and maybe Sharot isn't trying to seem biased, but maybe her presentation isn't that good. I can see Achor is a much better speaker.
Right, because everybody knows how much gay dudes are into hot women. In your attempt to correct an insult to women you ended up insulting gay people by misusing the term (in an ironically stupid way).
@jeaneen2 I'd disagree also. We are just coming to a whole new understanding of the brain. Look into something called neuroplasticity. It would suggest the world is going in the opposite direction of negative. Well at least the smart progressive world, the rest can just wallow in its own misery for all I care.
@dririthlan Thanks for the link. I think that video was much better. I see what you mean now. To jeaneen2, I think it depends. I think the optimistic people who tell you, "DON'T THINK ABOUT IT", I think those are the ones you have to be careful with. You see, the point that I want to argue is, what is optimism really? In Sharot's conclusion she said, being optimistic increases achievement and results. But through what lens are we viewing this?
This video answered some questions I had. I am a pessimist to the point I've been called depressed, although I don't feel that way. There is just a strong feeling of being different than the naive optimistic people that surround me, who always seemed to shrug off negative outcomes like it's not an issue and even get annoyed when warned about repeating mistakes. However, there's a plus to having positive bias. I constantly see these people try 10 times and fail 9. But that's still 1:0 for them.
Taking her points into question, would it be possible that her conclusion about her research be optimistically biased?
@adapaevolved I do believe that the point is that perceiving things too optimistically can hinder some actions. As an example: one who believes he/she will not have cancer might not get a check-up regularly.
@dririthlan I used to be quite depressed when I was a teenager. I'm slowly crawling out of that but I find I'm not exactly a 100% positive person yet. The funny thing is, overly positive people can be quite negative. They avoid "negative" people at all cost. They don't want to hear that they could be wrong. This positive-thinking movement is a bit like a new religion. This is the first time I've heard the word optimism bias actually. So I googled it.
@adapaevolved That is your experience. My experience is that one can act rationally based on knowledge (and knowledge about the lack of knowledge) instead of resorting to emotionally based expectations/predictions. One can have optimistic/pessimistic expectations/predictions but do not base their actions on them and react rationally to whatever the outcome is. Why do people find so difficult to be rational?
@funofboredom
more important than the inexperience in presentation seemed to be that many of the conclusions drawn seem erroneous. She believed birds were more optimistic when they went for instant reward when not sure between instant and long term reward.. this seems to be a pessimistic strategy (get what you can while it lasts). Similarly, that people who don't expect to pass, if they do pass, they feel it's luck, may well be right (esp. if they didn't study).
what did she say at 7:15?
it was too fast
Yes...this woman seems uniquely blessed with an over-abundance of gums...
Her research seems to be built upon and derivative of earlier studies she cited...to the extent that even I could predict the outcome of some of her 'tests'. Who said 'science' was 'hard?!'
Generally though, this type of research seems benign and positive in its endeavours especially in regards to beliefs and expectations of the self concept.
@GiantArapaima74 No wait what, you're replying to which comment?
@funofboredom I understand your method completely, I do the same thing. I have always had a problem with deadlines. Because usually when you don't meet them you are left defending yourself as to why you failed. And usually I don't respect any of the people in management to understand what they are asking for. These days like you I take my time with things, if I am not focusing on the imaginary deadline I am very well capable of leaking my work into my personal life.
@yinxs and now apply that positive behaviour in present science and industry where we are dealing with genetics, nuclear power etc. Optimism blocks from negative information, pessimism paralyses. People better get realistic and reasonable soon if we do not want to see the result 0:0. I don't care about expectations. I can admit that I have no real basis for my expectations (positive or negative) and I can admit when I don't know something. Do you? Do others?
but not always in a good way, for example economic bubbles that lead to crashes tend to be fueled by excessive optimism. A happy medium is probably best. Working and hoping for the best and keeping a positive but realistic attitude while remaining prepared for the worst and alert for potential problems is probably the best approach. Believing things will always "work out for the best" while ignoring critical warnings or worse pretending everything is fine in the face of a crisis is dangerous.
@dririthlan You know, I think we just pointed out that maybe Sharot's research could've been optimistically biased in the first place.
@adapaevolved Nope, psychologists were just using peer review over analytical data review for years to a century which did keep certain things from coming to light. These days there is something called neuropsychology which is focused more on better recording and observing the difference in all our brains. Also having expectations is not the problem, having high expectations with relation to the amount of time it takes to masters something which is usually averaged around 9 years.
"How do we maintain optimism in the face of reality?" I haven't.
@VersatilyAudacious Erm... I don't get what your point?
@sugatoniik We are subconsciously statistical about our emotional feedback. They find as you get older you become more humble and optimistic, but mild depression can turn you into a pessimist. While setting the bar low and being surprised when you do well is far more productive than setting expectations high and being disappointed.
Also google a guy called "Shawn Achor". Similar work, great presentation. But don't avoid making the effort to listen to this whole lecture as well.
@reliableandrew I completely agree with your assessment. The only conclusions I see within her 40min lecture is a recapitulation of work done by Leon Festinger and his diciples. However, the point of doing research isn't always to find groundbreaking discoveries but to find evidence for things we already 'know'. That being said, I feel that it is unfair and scientifically bias to give credence to someones work that does nothing but reaffirm what others have already concluded.
@funofboredom Exactly my sentiments. "Don't think about it" is a very destructive mental exercise. I'd say "Don't over-think it" is a healthier way of putting it. I think naturally we all want to be happy, we are addictively driven by this. But sometimes our fears tend to box us in our own thoughts. A person who is too afraid to swim destroys their chances of learning the more they convince themselves they cannot do it. Also have another link /watch?v=rTPks7XQbSw&t=5m12s
@dririthlan Shit, the order is messed up. Lastly, I just wanna say I really like the Shawn Achor video. His ideas are very progressive. And I find it gives hope to someone as lazy as me lol. But it's just how I work, I laze around and get myself into that state of mind where I'm confident I'm going to tackle the task excellently first, then I do it. But of course, if I have a tight deadline, I just have to do it. But I think there's such a problem with the culture in the workplace.
Optimism in population relates to carelessness and failed risk control that results in a whole spectrum of problems degrading our environment and harming the population itself.
I'm optimist and i KNOW that this is better for me
@Shadow850031 I don't know why I am replying to someone who is making an opinion based off some very brief lectures. If you were at all interested in neuroscience you would be privy to the information that I am touting as common knowledge. Yet instead of explaining things to you all clearly, I have to find lectures and videos in order to get the information across. Look up a guy called Shawn Achor, and if you want to go deeper, look up a guy named Paul Bach-Y-Rita.
Bookmakers could do a 6 part sequel on this topic.
Maybe the birds were smarter than you knew missy... It seems to me that the optimism bias is in contradiction to our primal instincts to treat every potential threat as an actual threat, just in case it was. I would suggest that this is because the "optimism bias" is concerned with potentially good outcomes, and potentially negative situations are handled with our default setting of belief.
@Ventzyyy It was.
@funofboredom
I think you're being a bit optimistic about that.
@dririthlan Good video you linked to. But there is nothing related to optimism there. And saying "we are able to absorb and manipulate information better while optimistically focused" is absurd. Obviously we see "better" differently. It was clearly said that people dismiss negative information. It is in no way better. Better is to analyse all available information equally and make decisions based on facts. One should leave emotions and optimism in personal relations. Otherwise it is damaging.
@Shadow850031 You don't fully understand. This among many other recent studies are concluding we are able to absorb and manipulate information better while optimistically focused. Look into something called Neuroplasaticity. There is more than enough information out there to refute your claim. /watch?v=rTPks7XQbSw
i love her tone lols!
@dririthlan I like how you say "I understand your method completely." Makes me sound like less of a lazy bum, lol.
@dririthlan You know, with the equipment she has at her expense, I'd like to see if it can be proven that people think more when they're sad. Could put Hemingway's saying, "Happiness in intelligent is rare," to rest.
Did she just come back from the dentist?
at 11:30 I would disagree. Personally, I would want to get the electric shock now so that I wont have to worry later.
I did not know Aimee Mann had a neuroscientist twin sister....
Listened to the podcast in full on RSA's website because there were no definitive conclusions made in the highlight video. I was dissapointed to find that there wasn't really anything concluded in the full 40min lecture. The optimism bias exists, it is cross culturally evident, description of how it functions, and having a small amount of pessimism keeps you grounded in reality. I'm sorry but I see absolutely no innovative ideas here. All I see is the retesting of previous designs.
Most of us,healthy individuals...?
KONY 2012; THUMBS UP SO EVERUONE CAN SEE. PLEASE. IT'S TIME TO DO SOMETHING!
@dririthlan my opinion is my personal experience and observations. I know Achor and Bach-Y-Rita. Their work is interesting to say the least. But your short-sighted understanding of the matter is not. I can debate over things related to rationality and emotions and possible and/or probable results of different ways of thinking continuously but youtube is not the right medium to do that. Point is speeding up a bad algorithm just gives errors quicker. One can be happy and be reasonable.
This hasn't gotten enough views..
@Shadow850031 rationalism can be a dangerous thing.
@funofboredom she would be stupid not to be optimistically biased. With the amount of new data going through neuroscience and neuro phsycology fields the more recent pivot point is on the fact that we are 31% more mentally productive when confident and happy with our own progress.
/watch?v=fLJsdqxnZb0
@dririthlan Thanks for the link. Great vid. So, practice practice practice, eh? Kay kay kay. Lol.
Yes listen to Ms. Sharot. Don't be a realist! Sleep forever in Sheol!
Optimism is inebriation.
@dririthlan Especially in Asian countries. Your bosses expects you to SHOW that you're working and isn't this a bit stupid? If you were hired for your brains, most of your work would be in your mind. You can't exactly show it until everything is finalised and written on a report or presentation. Like my favorite saying, "You can't rush art." Oh, and maybe Sharot isn't trying to seem biased, but maybe her presentation isn't that good. I can see Achor is a much better speaker.
hot hot hot hot hot
@secret260 Shhhhyyyyyysssshh, look at the positive things ; )
Right, because everybody knows how much gay dudes are into hot women. In your attempt to correct an insult to women you ended up insulting gay people by misusing the term (in an ironically stupid way).
conclusion, feel optimistic, but don't think optimistically
@SaphirreDragon
+1
she gives me an optimism bias...
KONY 2012
@jeaneen2 I'd disagree also. We are just coming to a whole new understanding of the brain. Look into something called neuroplasticity. It would suggest the world is going in the opposite direction of negative. Well at least the smart progressive world, the rest can just wallow in its own misery for all I care.
i was very optimistic because in the little preview image of this video i saw a hot girl, and you know what? I was right. And she's smart :)
come on ppl "hot hot hot" - r u literally children or what
I knew there was a pretty face behind the mask
SOO HOT
You are so beautiful..
She's hot!
She sounds drunk.