NATtalk: An Evening with the Cerutti Mastodon Scientists
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- Опубліковано 30 кві 2017
- On Saturday, April 29, the San Diego Natural History Museum hosted a panel discussion with the Cerutti Mastodon scientists. The audience was invited to engage in a Q&A session to answer commonly asked questions about this incredible research and discovery. Additional detail about the find: bit.ly/2oNppx9.
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I feel privileged to live in an age where I could watch and learn this information. We don't have to wait on text books to be updated anymore, with all those trappings.
So glad this was recorded. I’m going to the museum tomorrow to see this for myself
Richard Cerutti knew all along. It's great to see the museum and world-renowned scientists acknowledge the importance of this discovery.
Did they consider Sasquatches breaking the bones?
Love it!
i thought she was Leonards mother from big bang theory. We cannot just assume humans only existed 14-15000 years ago. Glad we are living in this time, so many new discoveries.
Researchers such as myself have been well aware of a much greater antiquity of humans in the Americas. The flint tools found by many collectors already pointed to this, and the figurative motifs I have recognized also point to a much older era of human habitation. One day mainstream archeologist will wake to figure stones and the almost worldwide common lexicon and topology that proves that artistic peoples lived millions upon millions of years ago and shared a common culture. All those that shunned the discoveries of Virginia Steen-McIntyre should also be ashamed of themselves for hindering knowledge and archeological progress.
Are available news about Heyaltaco?
Issues 11,12,13 and 14 of the Pleistocene Coalition News Magazine have the latest updates on Hueyatlaco that I know of, Virginia is an editor for the free online publication.
Surface finds are not in context and thus cannot be dated. There is no conclusive evidence beyond 15,500 years.
We got 150000 years of digging before the history books can be rewritten with any accuracy
The acceptibility of this mammoth non -kill site and its age, re opens the door to the Calico Early Man site , No bones but a few square miles of worked and retouched stone artifacts and flaked bi products both subsurface and surface yet no ancient projectile points, except at the lower lake terraces where stobe artifacts were accepted as archaic...Ive been to that area as a rockhound/ collector many times and it is definately a quarry of quality material for knapping, many achuelian style handaxes found, scrapers, burins, prism shaped blades in abundance,,Yet called geofacts by threatened academia.
The Whitesands National Park track sites are giving ages that push the arrival of humans earlier too.
White sands is 23k ish...
Great work, dear Cerutti Mastodon Scientists. "Science is the pursuit of the truth!" ... and you found the truth!!!
People will say listen to the science, follow the science. Yet as soon as science gets in the way of the cash flow for their books, papers, lectures, and grants that are based on telling a different story they deny and ignore as well as make personal attacks. It is taboo to say these things even if true.
Scientists are often the worst when it comes to listening to the science.
Scientists are people. With all the flaws and admirable character traits that everyone else can display.
@@mpetersen6 Very true and many have their pet hypothesis which time may or may not prove to be correct.
Orthodoxy in science is real.
That guy's opening joke is completely worth it 😅
We have 250000 years of digging before the history books can be rewritten with any accuracy!
We won’t be digging in the future….
@@FighterFlash Not with newer forms of instruments such as LIDAR. Some of these sites will undoubtedly turn out to be burial grounds and with the newer methods, disturbance of remains will be minimal, which will be a relief to various indigenous groups. I hope perhaps some agreement will be reached whereby small samples can be taken for DNA and dating purposes, though that will be up to tribal leaders and spiritual leaders.
Amazing history-making discovery so well investigated and researched. It's also so great the person who asked how this can now lead to other discoveries and the same deposition level. I wonder now to what degree these scientists can throughout that nearby area be able to access that deposition level as since this was a site of collecting valuable food and tool resources if near by they might have a great chance of finding more, like possibly a settlement site, or nearby cliffs where they could excavate the cave floors. Has anyone heard if they are actively searching near by? Thanks for sharing this great presentation. So many very exciting discoveries happening and a great time to be a paleontologist or archaeologist or many sciences I'm not including... paleo-geology....
at 108:00 talk about verticle bones, look up the bison kill site in canada where they found substantial verticle bone placements, thought to be monuments, offerings. they found 4 unrelated bones on the last day placed together vertically. my thought is they are grave monuments possibly for people killed at the site while hunting.
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at 55:00
Possibly, or offerings to Creator. Either hypothesis makes sense, I think.
@@harrietharlow9929 Yeah I think you want to cover the bases. Thanks to the Creator, to the Mammoth, to everyone who helped and/or died to bring us this feast and these tools, and this home, pass the salt, toke up and dig in folks!
I wonder just how many similar sites have been blown off because those involved simply didn't want to endure the controversy
Does the velocity of the impact on the bones result in different fracture patterns? If a large mammal steps on a bone it would be at low velocity and if a bone is fractured by a stone it would be a high velocity impact; does this result in a different fracture pattern?
same thing that happened to the trachilos people....the establishment must maintain the narrative at all costs
Could it have been a rogue group of Homo Erectus or Denisovans? Possibly a group of specie that we don't know about yet? I absolutely love that things like this exist. The thought of the subject of archaeology is as amazing to me as is the actual science.
What about Neanderthals? Just because we haven't found fossils (yet) east of Denisova doesn't mean that a group might not have made it across the Bering Land Bridge. We know both they and homo erectus could sail, so I wouldn't rule Denisovans, homo erectus or neanderthalensis out.
@@harrietharlow9929 you're absolutely right.
@@harrietharlow9929 And Dragon man, if he's not Denisovan, is another candidate! They say the tools are different from contemporaneous Eurasian tools, so maybe it's a NEW Species!?
@@nmarbletoe8210 He could be. Only time wiII teII.
The Rocks are so unique. They are no doubt what you say. I would say the funny shaped one would be easy to smash down on another stone without smashing your fingers.
If you look at the concentration 1 at about the 7 o clock position you can see where someone would be sitting on their knees busting the bones. A small pile of unbroken bones at the persons left knee, the anvil directly in front of them.
This is BIG
My question is, if it was next to an existing highway, wouldn’t the ground have been driven over by heavy machinery in the past, regardless of whether it was at the time of discovery? I’m not ruling out that the findings may be valid, I just didn’t hear this addressed.
I had heard about the possible 60KYA site in LA. But not this one.
The Channel Islands have Native American sites going back possibly 13,000 years in prehistory which indicate coastal migrations along the Western United States which could be indicators of this very, very early early site of the salvaging of mammoth bones to use as bone tools.
I agree Sharon that a study of what 130,000 year old mammoth bones smashed today with large cobbles
would possible indicate similar break patterns and would explain how 13,000 + folk could indeed have salvaged
an ancient skeleton for bone tools
Fracturing femers and strong bones were for making an arrow or spear tip or atlatl tip
no it is for extracting bone Marrow because they were hungry!
You see it in almost all early human butcher sites. Bone marrow was their single best source of fats and higher protein intake. It's very rare to not see large long bones shattered at early butchering sites.
If they used bone tools that could explain the absence of flaked stone. Marrow and tools. Also maybe that accounts for lack of cut marks if they were cutting with bone?
Regarding not being able to get radio carbon dating from organic material, is there a standard for how long it takes for organic material to decompose? Is there a possibility that because the organic material is decomposed, that would help set a minimum age date?
Carbon dead is the term....carbon-14 only works out to about 45 thousand years. Older than that it's said to be carbon dead. That's where the other methods come to the fore.
@@patapena Someday our iphones will be able to point at a rock or fossil and tell us the age.
It’s ok to be cro-magnon
It's refreshing to see actual scientists considering changing the mentality of the 10k year rule. Keeping an open mind is the basis of modern science. Imagine finding a neanderthal skull in the future? The truth is in the dirt... You have only to dig. Keep up the fantastic work. The asian-centeric model of migration is very dated.
Open minds
I already new Neanderthals were in Americas finding points paleolithic that does not fit in with Clovis and yes Neanderthal is much earlier that neanderthats ended in europe 45,000 as americas they were still active at this time waters were shallow lands much closer together that man followed on to other places
Ím an Economist but ultimately a scientist and to me there is clear evidence of culture in that crime scene.
How about the idea that it could be Neanderthal’s.
a tooth is broken? I would use a tooth piece to carve jewelry …
For the longest time the Clovis Barrier believers made the Cerutti Mastodon site improbable and most likely excavated and measured incorrectly. Now that the Clovis theory has been cast aside by the confirmation of the age of the White Sands footprints, is the Cerutti site accepted as a prehistoric dig site?
Not accepted, not rejected, seems to be some lively debate. The fact it was published in Nature in 2017 is a big deal.
Maybe they can reexamine Hueyatlaco.
Any evidence of fire?
no. But Hartley site in NM is 37,000 and does have fire, cut marks and tools. It's the oldest site that I've read up on that looks really strong.
Why didn't " they" take the other tusk? Which throws a monkey wrench in it.
LoL just seen the answer to that! Not a kill or butcher site
@@rogerdreed69 I'm thinking they stood both tusks upright for the monument to Lil Joe Floppear, and one of the tusks fell over when a cave cow rubbed up against it.
Anyway, bye bye Clovis first theory and blitzkrieg theory advocated by extinctonists.
why ?
Clovis first died out several years ago any way. A number of sites are older 12,000 years but not more than a couple thousand.
@@FrontierLegacy the blue caves in the yukon push humans back in north America to 26000 years +
Diadema, you’ve drawn the wrong inferences from the evidence. This research in no way detracts from Clovis kill site conclusions, nor is it at odds with Paul S. Martin’s blitzkrieg theory. There does not seem to be any evidence of human hunting here, the Mastodon probably died without any human intervention, in direct opposition to Clovis points found imbedded on Mammoth bones. I like Australian Tim Flannery’s characterization of The Black Hole theory, that is, the hole between our nose and chin, as the cause of late Pleistocene megafauna extinctions. Were proboscideans killed by humans before Clovis? Probably, but not to a degree that caused population decline followed by extinction. Certainly there is no evidence of pre Clovis Mammoth hunting AT THIS TIME. I hope that clears things up a little bit for you, lol.
btw, I’m limiting my comments to North and South America. I know there’re many earlier sites in Siberia, China, and Eastern Europe.
Mastodon bones could be 130,000 years old and they were broken open 15,000 years ago after the bones were removed from the ice. 20,000 years ago we started out of the last ICE age, 10,000 years ago we were out of the last ice age
If you bothered to watch the video you would see they explained very clearly why that can't be the case.
What was the human population of the globe 130,000 years ago? It makes no sense for early humans to go so far so fast. They couldn't have been looking for elbow room.
@@aaronfleisher4694 Are you familiar with African ghost population?
Hominins in Altai area of Siberia by 800,000! (Buzhilova 2017)
Hominids were in Africa at least 1.5 million years ago. Humans are an amazing and resourceful species, give us credit. They definitely could make it after 1.37 million years
@@Anhero1 The oldest pre-human hominid fossils ever found were in Europe.
@@samizdat113 A. anamensis is a hominid skeleton that is 4.2 million years old and was found in northern Kenya