My dad told me when I read the phrase "weaker vessel" I should think of fine china. How do you treat fine china? With tenderness and care. You don't toss it around or put it in a dishwasher, you handle it with care, you hand wash it. It's a precious thing.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
@@ericwilson6994 Where is an angel mentioned in the story of adam and eve besides not being able to come back to the garden, you cant twist up scripture to your liking
This video made me so happy. I love the way you addressed the culture of today and how the current gender proportions of the more physically demanding professions are predominantly male and that this is by design, not by chauvinism or human sinfulness although it may widen that ratio. I just got married to my wife last August and I am thankful for this video because that last section reminds me of how beautiful she is and how she will be standing in God's glory in Heaven. What a scene that will be. If anyone is able, please pray for us as we continue to fight the good fight to live lovingly and faithfully as a Christian couple for the years we have together! Thank you, Pastor John, Desiring God team, and family of believers for seeking wisdom in Christ and not in yourselves. Love you all!
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
@@pablofuentes4831 Hi :) Thanks for esteeming my English skills but I'm not that great a teacher I'm afraid... I would highly recommend you use a service like iTalki (or something similar) that allows you to connect with native speakers in your target language (I'll be using it for my Japanese practice when I'm ready 😁). God Bless you brother.
Before I was born again I hated the view of “religion” on women and I embraced feminism and I even startes disliking being “feminine”. Now that I am born again I finally understand that there is nothing wrong with being “weaker” or “submissive” when it’s done in God’s way. oh the POWER and PEACE in accepting the role God gave me! 🙌🙌🔥🔥🙏🙏 There is nothing discouraging in that, I am more secure and stronger than ever, I know who I am in Him and that’s all I need. And I have embraced being feminine too, I would never want to look like a guy (no disrespect to my brothers, but as a girl I rather look like a girl indeed). God bless! 😘
Yes, so many people in Western countries think that being physically weaker somehow means being inferior as a human being in some way. But that is completely mistaken. It's not inferior to be weaker, just different. And women tend to be better at some things than men anyway. The natural, God-designed differences between men and women should be celebrated. But instead of doing this, mainstream Western culture gets out its hammer and chisel and tries to get rid of these differences.
Thank you for bringing this up. I’m new to Christianity and have always thought the same things you did. Going through my first time reading the Bible I do have those moments where weaker=inferior but I am thankful the Holy Spirit is helping me understand that this is not true. I am extremely excited to continue growing in my role!
Excellent and unapologetically biblical. I get so tired of pastors giving huge disclaimers and dancing around an obvious answer for 20 minutes before finally sugar coating what God says in order to make something more palatable at the expense of Truth. Pastor Piper definitely did NOT do that here and I’m very thankful for that. This was just as important for men to hear as it is for women. Thank you.
I am a believer but must admit I'm struggling with this issue. I have experienced sexism and verbal abuse and even my own dad too..that triggered me to act in some unbiblical way. While watching this video I feel encouraged but at the same time thoughts coming my mind is "yeah, women are strong because they can carry and give birth to humans! ".. But I know somethings not right.. Now please help me with this question, How you deal and overcome injustice, disrespect, and mistreatment from men as a Christian woman?
I'm glad John Piper stressed the word "honor". Sadly, too much time was spent on trying to understand what "weaker vessel" means, which took a lot of emphasis off of the central message of the verse. I know that he was answering the question, but still, it emphasizes "weakness" over "honor". As a woman, I've found it very helpful to remember that the exhortation is directed at husbands, not wives. I'm not being told that I'm weaker, my husband is being told to honor me as he would a weaker (some interpret this as fragile and valuable) vessel or part. You take special care of a fragile and valuable possession. I'm more than happy with my husband (and men in general) being stronger than me, but I'm not happy at all if they use that strength against me or to put me down. I don't need to be like a man, but I do want to be respected and honored and not seen as an inferior being. I might be going out on a limb here, but in 1 Corinthians 12:20-26, where the Church is described as the body, made up of many parts, there is also talk about "weaker parts" and how the weaker or less honorable parts are given greater honor in the Body of Christ. Bottom line, I think, is that in Christ, any greater strength (of any kind) is given to us for the benefit of others and never to use against others.
"any greater strength (of any kind) is given to us for the benefit of others and never to use against others" That's awfully convenient. You have managed to turn your husband into your slave, as the only reason he is stronger than you is so that you benefit. He of course gets nothing out of his strength. Lady, your husband does not exist to serve you.
@@johnsaxon5154 , well, it sure is convenient when heavy furniture needs moving so that I can vacuum underneath :-). Now, you tell me, who is serving whom?
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
@@johnsaxon5154 Yes, Jesus Christ, was The Arch Angel Michael in human form. I pray to God you get baptized alone at home in cold water and say Jesus Christ is Lord and I am a sinner. At that point just have faith in God. Moderation, temperance, self control, and self discipline. Sin is fine. Don't be evil. I pray you see the Kingdom of God. Have faith.
Just starting to go through 1 Peter so this was interesting to hear. Feels like it links in a bit to Paul's instructions for Christian living in Ephesians.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Thanks for the copy and paste Eric. You seem to be trying to answer a question no-one is asking and making points not included in the Bible. Maybe worry about what Jesus said and did instead of Eve's bum.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
This didn’t really answer much. It’s more of the same stuff weak chauvinistic men in churches (pastors included) use to manipulate women. I think in 2021 we need a deeper and clearer dive into this subject. I can’t see how this is encouraging to women...especially to the women who are physically/emotionally/spiritually stronger than most men these days.
There was nothing chauvinistic in John Piper's message in this video. God has made men and women different in some respects, and we should celebrate the God-given and natural differences. We shouldn't try to overcome them like so many in godless Western culture do. Men tend to be better at some things than women, and women tend to be better at some things than men. You talk about women being physically stronger than men. But the average physical strength of men is obviously much greater than the average physical strength of women. It's politically correct nonsense to try to deny this. I think this can actually be encouraging for women if it helps them to see that in some circumstances less is expected of them than men. That might help to reduce some pressure they might feel.
@@maxaplin4204 agreed. And I'm a woman. I don't feel mentally or emotionally weak but I recognise that there are in built weaknesses in my body... Hormonally there will be times I will feel out of control. Physically don't even care about my lack of strength. Happy to be treated with extra love.
It’s NOT meant to be encouraging the people who’ve drunk the feminism kool-aid. It’s meant to reinforce God’s purpose in how He designed men and women. Google Fallon Fox and MMA. It’s incorrect to think of men and women as unequal because we have differing roles. One is meant to lead, the other is meant to submit. Just because you submit doesn’t mean you’re inferior. Man learns to lead by first submitting to God.
@@theninjafry Absolutely, equality does not mean sameness. God the Son is eternally subordinate to God the Father, yet both are equally God. Subordination doesn't necessarily mean intrinsic inferiority at all.
I believe it boils down to the role of the male verses the role of the female within the divine design of God , established in the body of Christ plowing together the land has become one flesh working in UNITY , the man has strengths and weaknesses and the woman has strengths and weaknesses and should compliment each other ... much love in our Lord Jesus Christ xxx Lance
Yes, weaker but not inferior. These feminists need to understand that. God put men to lead their homes and the church. This does not take anything away from women. We function best when we function the way God intended.
Highly respected Pastor John and all those who read this, My clear understanding of this page with strong conviction is as below. 1. We are slaves of traditional teaching that males are superior etc. 2. God has sent males and females with important expected responsibilities with roles ( as if in a drama stage) different but well defined and complementary. (Vessel = role). Women are expected by God to justify their assigned role as supportive )weaker) part and not a dominant part or role or character in the brief earthly stay of testing of our performances. Cf. Rom 9. 21-23";... In Tamil one of the very oldest since after Babel dispersion, weaker vessel = slightly less important role ( பாண்டம்/ பாத்திரம்) Please remember Shakespeare days plays and what the actors roles sre called?
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Hi Paula: Michael the archangel was not there at creation, looking at how the enemy, the serpent raised doubt about "Indeed, hath God said...?" let's us know that evil intentions are often behind any attempt to interpret the Bible differently. Secondly, you have undoubtedly found that you have had to stop conversations with someone who was certainly teying to get to know you, and say, "Wait; _What I meant was_ ....." Right? Anyone who was trying to get to know you would have to simply do the work to figure out what words mean when they come out of your particular mouth, which is expressing your particular mind, which is driven by your particular spirit. Those words will express background, intent, context, worldview, etc. We now (as I am sure you already know) must do all of THAT with _studying_ the Bible, to truly _hear_ God, to truly _know_ Him. I would say that the fall of man, and the wickedness of the enemy has caused the hornet's nest of "interpretation" that we now see. Hope that helps.
thank you Pastor John for this answer could there also be a connotation here of distinctly different types or kinds of pottery vessels that either Peter or Paul would have been very familiar with? the feminine - more elegant, elaborate, decorated, in a word fancy pottery, possibly more delicate. used for holding highly valuable contents that warrant such ornate earthenware. but the masculine, more stocky, sturdy, humble pottery, larger vessels that hold quantities of common goods, perhaps to be held for a long time; built for durability
Hit the nail on the head. It could be that the word weaker is better translated as delicate. And so he alludes to how one would treat an ornate intricate delicate pottery.
@Elijah it’s true! Men aren’t wrecked by their hormones once every 4 weeks, they don’t get wrecked by carrying a baby to term, and they don’t get wrecked by passages of the Bible that demean them.
@@Iamwrongbut No passages of the Bible demean women. You have confused equality and sameness, a confusion that is extremely common in modern Western culture. The subordination of women to men in some contexts doesn't imply intrinsic inferiority. The Bible teaches that God the Son is eternally subordinate to God the Father, but without being less valuable or less God. The same kind of principle applies in some male - female relationships.
@@Iamwrongbut I can't remember the details of OT law, but I am guessing that the answer is nothing. But we need to remember that nearly every girl would get married, and then she would be in a position take advantage of her husband's inheritance. And wider family groups, including brothers, would be expected to take care of the few girls who never married.
A lot of people believe the body here is purely referring to the musculoskeletal system. They might touch on how it refers to women having weaker emotions or hormonal system, but very few remark how the body could possibly be referring to the brain as well. Thank you for exegeting the difficult passages and boldly saying what you believe the text to mean, while doing it with such tenderness and love that most women listening to this totally forgot that you implied their brains being weaker (in some sense), because you taught it in such gracious and balanced way.
I'm glad I watched this, I wasn't sure how to take that statement. I saw this said in another comment but I'll rephrase it: To God, weaker is not synonymous with worse/inferior (unlike with our human societies think, which is why women being weaker is a problem). I guess how I'm thinking about it now after this is that we're honestly both weak, for several reasons. A woman can't provide for herself because she's "weaker", but also because she's human. A man can't provide for himself because he's human AND is charged to provide for more than himself. Both of them have a situation where they need God's help just from being human, and doubly so because within the context of being human they have to do certain things (which they'll mess up at without God).
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
That was wonderful. Thank you. My husband doesn't honor me. I'm just a tool. But I'm OK with that because I know God will have much better things for me in Heaven
You aren’t a tool sister. You are much more worthy, more than precious rubies according to God. I hope your husband starts to honor you, he should because that’s his role as a husband. Is he christian? Keep in prayer for him.
A way to think of it is like a pair of allied ships (a different, but still useful use of the word "vessel") on an ocean. The stronger ship should help aid and defend the weaker partner. The size and or strength of the ship is not a clear indicator of the quality or strength of what the vessel contains. It is not about asserting the quality of weakness of women, but rather the placing a responsibility upon men to care for their wives.
While the majority of the Judges of Israel were men, Deborah was a woman Judge who led the people of Israel to victory in battle. While we should understand that while the norm is for men to be stronger than women, we should acknowledge, respect, and allow women who God has gifted with qualities that exceed this norm, and especially those who put those exceptional qualities to use in service of God.
The three constituents that establish a relationship of man and woman, justifies them as a couple and determines the sanctity of being married as husband and wife.
I think one of the worst examples of trying to pretend that women are as physically strong as men is on the issue of front line soldiers. It is absurd to have women doing this job. I saw a news clip a few years ago about this, which highlighted the point. It talked about a military rule for front line troops that a single soldier should be strong enough to carry away a wounded soldier from the battle front. But they wanted to allow women to be front line soldiers too, but a woman was typically not strong enough to carry away a big man on her own. So they changed the rule to say that no more than 2 women should be strong enough to carry away a wounded soldier. But this rule change is obviously going to mean that sometimes the fighting ability of front line units would be decreased, because an extra person would sometimes be needed to carry away a wounded man. We see here how foolish political correctness has been allowed to trump the ability of the military to fight. I think Paul's words apply very well to mainstream Western culture at the present time: 'Claiming to be wise, they became fools.' (Rom 1:22)
I have seen something similar happen in Spain when I was living there. They wanted to make “easier” exams for women to become firefighters so there could be as many women as men at the job. I wasn’t even saved then and I remember thinking: wait. How’s a woman gonna be able to to carry my weight in an emergency?? I recognize that there might be the exception out there, but it’s that: an exception. It’s crazy what’s happening in the West. To think I once contributed to that :(
They probably also didn’t consider what PMS would do to a woman’s body. Not only the cramp itself blocks our ability to perform but the bloating, headache, fatigue, all play in effect. Sometimes I also wonder if this verse refers to the unavoidable PMS many women suffer from. Personally, it’s like I’m sick for 2-5 days regularly every month. This is something many men wouldn’t understand without the effort to humbly listen and learn.
@@yellow.marisa I have wondered exactly the same thing myself. How many people is it worth allowing to burn to death to make this politically correct point? If someone is trapped in a burning building, we shouldn't want even men of average strength coming to rescue them. It should be big guys who are much stronger than average. To allow women to do this job is unconscionable. It highlights the wrong priorities and enormous hypocrisy of so many in Western culture today.
@@kittylover4974 That's another valid point that I hadn't considered. And your idea that this verse might include a reference to PMS is also well worth considering. You are right too that men need to take care to empathise about this.
Father God, thank you for this message! In accordance with this word and 1 peter 3:7, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share of all those dishonoring me as inferior because I am a woman as well as loosening myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those not being my husband, in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
This was a rather unclear answer, and at 14 minutes, you'd think it would've been more useful. "Vessel" means "genitals" in 1 Thessalonians? Don't think so. OK, so after taking forever to say that women are physically weaker, he just barely mentions that this has implications for our brains, and our brains influence other things. Then he stops. In summary: "Weaker" means physically weaker, but also other things, but there's no time to get into that. We're reaching Jordan Peterson levels of "Talks so much, but says so little" here.
I thought it was just me... And really, its unclear because everyone always treads softly so as not to offend the modern woman. and that jordan reference is spot on. Ive never in my life heard someone speak for so long and say absolutely nothing, while everyone marvels at his genius. And im stuck like :/
I agree. I was hoping to get a clear, straightforward answer, but nope. I wasted nearly fifteen minutes of my life just to hear some guy tell me that I’m physically weaker than a man because I’m a woman as if we don’t already know that. Sadly, I didn’t learn anything in this video that would actually help in my walk with God.
@@Andrea92_91our weakness is supposed to represent the need of Jesus as the body of Christ is weak and needs Jesus for support in everything…God gives and we receive. We receive life from Jesus through the gospel and women receive life from the man seed. It’s symbolic to represent God’s majestic nature.
Women are weaker because they are more after things that are more earthly, but not necessarily sinful, such as relationship, passion for love, intimacy, beauty and a whole other sensitive things that actually stun me. Sometimes I sit and remunerate about it and I have one comclusion: God made it that way or else women won't be women. I think about other matters more, not relationship or passion, beauty, but how can I innovate, make money, please God.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Thank you for this. Before I truly believed it used to make me so mad that I was weaker and submissive to men. I now know this is the natural order that GOD created. I truly love the way GOD designed us.
Many defend the Bible’s view on women and say that they have different roles but are of equal value. If that’s true, then tell me why fathers are allowed to sell their daughters into slavery in the Old Testament, but it makes no mention of selling their sons: Exodus 21:7 “When [not if] a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. Is that because women are treated as property of men to be bought and sold? And men are treated as owners, not property?
@@maxaplin4204 Deuteronomy 12:15-18 [15] “However, you may slaughter and eat meat within any of your towns, as much as you desire, according to the blessing of the LORD your God that he has given you. The unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and as of the deer. [16] Only you shall not eat the blood; you shall pour it out on the earth like water. [17] You may not eat within your towns the tithe of your grain or of your wine or of your oil, or the firstborn of your herd or of your flock, or any of your vow offerings that you vow, or your freewill offerings or the contribution that you present, [18] but you shall eat them before the LORD your God in the place that the LORD your God will choose, you and your son and your daughter, your male servant and your female servant, and the Levite who is within your towns. And you shall rejoice before the LORD your God in all that you undertake. Not sure what you’re referencing in this passage. Of course men could be slaves, but it never mentions someone else selling a man into slavery. They can sell themselves into slavery, but only women can be sold by someone else (I.e. their father)
@@Iamwrongbut I did make a mistake with the reference. Apologies for that. I just meant v. 18, which shows that men could be slaves. The last 2 sentences of your first comment seemed to suggest that you thought that only women were slaves in ancient Israel. But I see now that your focus was on people selling their daughters and not sons rather than on women and not men being slaves. I will admit that I don't know enough of this subject matter to comment on the specifics. One answer that I often see given to the sort of objection you raise is that God permitted some bad things in the Law of Moses because of people's hardness of heart, knowing that if he gave stricter rules, they would just be disobeyed, and that Israel had much kinder laws in general than all the other nations round about. I think there may well be something to that line of thinking, but I don't want to pretend I have a good answer. The argument you make doesn't make me lose faith in Jesus, though, or doubt the inspiration of the Bible.
@Desire Of All Nations if you think this is a passage of judgment you do not know the context. God is literally describing how women are to be treated “when” their father’s sell them into slavery. This comes after the description in Exodus 21 of how Hebrew men can sell themselves into slavery and then are released after 6 years of service. What the passage I am referring to is about is women being sold by their father as marriage slaves to other men. Women have no say in the matter according to the law. So, if a man has a daughter and he incurs debts, he can sell his property (in this case his daughter) to payoff that debt. There is no passage in the OT that allows a man to sell his son if he’s in debt. That’s where the inequality stems from, besides the moral repugnance of debt slavery. If God didn’t want this to happen, then He could have written “Fathers shall not sell their daughters into slavery.” Instead, He gave clear instructions on how to do it according to his law. I’m excited to hear you say that slavery is morally okay in this context. If you are planning to say that, then please answer me this question: would you sell your own daughter as a slave if you were in debt and lived 2500 years ago?
Women being weaker physically calls for a protective en respecting character in a man. So I was expecting something here along that line, that men still have to respect and honour women. But Piper tells women to look up to men. And then goes on bashing strong women and strong women advertisements. How can this help men to honour and respecting women? He only emphasizes that men are stronger and therefore should lead women.
It's interesting but I think women can be encouraged that they don't have to be men when men are present, for example when protection, strength, and so on, are needed.
Well, it certainly shouldn't be DIScouraging. Because women are physically weaker, less will be expected of them in some areas, so I think that could be encouraging. If women feel that they have to be as able as men in every single area, that could lead to some feeling of pressure. If this pressure is removed, it could be encouraging.
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Men and women have different roles in the home and in the church, but different roles do not indicate differing worth. People who take umbrage with Peter’s mention of a woman’s physical weakness completely miss the rest of 1 Peter 3:7, which clearly says that the husband and wife are spiritually equal. They are “heirs” of the “gift of life” together. A wife should be treated with “respect,” and a husband who fails to honor his wife will find that his prayers are “hindered.” For instance men and women have different, God-given roles, and those roles should be celebrated and assumed with thanksgiving, child birth would be a great example. Ultimately Men will answer to God for how they lead their families and the church. Just because men have spiritual authority over women in the church doesn’t mean men are superior or that they have a special standing with God. Clearly God has chosen distinct roles for both men and women that they may complement each other in a way that most glorifies Himself.
I'm encouraged in knowing I'm different from men. I'm supposed to be. I don't have to try to be a man, look like a man and get what men get in order to be valid as a woman.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Ok, so if I'm supposed to be the weaker and submissive sex, why did God make me with a dominant, non-ladylike personality then put me in a weak, submissive body, expecting me to be submissive? Shouldn't I have been made a man instead?
You’re actually not weird you’re pretty much an average woman, submissiveness isn’t in our nature anymore due to sin. God said because of sin women would desire to one up their husbands. Submitting takes a lot of practice and giving up our pride. It’s ultimately surrendering to God not man .
@sofiabravo1994 God is actually the only one I'll submit to, cause he's our creator. I just don't submit to men just because they're men and are somehow "the superior sex".
I think the emphasis & importance of the "weaker vessel" part of this verse is to paint out that physical abuse from a husband against a woman, or a man against woman, is absolutely not okay at all. Like you have to respect and honor women in that sense, and protect them too. It's not that women are incapable of protecting themselves or that sometimes they aren't stronger than men... sometimes a woman can be physically stronger than a man... but the point is that we don't abuse bodily strength to abuse one another. And also that we don't just ignore evil happening among us but we protect the weak as necessary. This is merely what I observed at a time when I was wrestling with this verse. Also I'm not sure what John was trying to say about the brain thing, women tend to have a larger ratio of grey matter than men - so men literally aren't smarter than us and we're just made differently. Men and women are equal before God but different in role, so I feel like it could have been presented better. But not trying to come sideways at John or anything...
I’ve never been able to wrap my head around these types of verses including the verses on marriage. None of this sits comfortably with me and makes me feel so uneasy.
Hey! I understand how these subjects can be hard to digest especially depending on upbringing and our personal experiences. I would encourage you to begin at Genesis. In the garden is where we see God’s design for men, women, and marriage. Satan was well informed on this design. Satan cannot create anything on his own, he can only pervert or twist God’s perfect designs. So that is exactly what he did after being kicked out of Heaven. He came as a serpent to Eve and Adam. (Ezekiel 28:13-19, Genesis 3) Now Adam was the one God gave instruction to not eat of the tree. Eve wasn’t even created yet. (Genesis 2:15-17) It was Adam’s responsibility as the head of the family to relay that information to Eve. In Genesis 3, God’s men and women design is cunningly attacked by Satan here. Though Adam and Eve were standing together at the tree (verse 6) Satan addresses only Eve knowing she isn’t the one who heard the instruction directly from God. This makes it easier for her to be deceived because how can she really know God said that if she wasn’t there? As the leader and one who witnessed the instruction himself, Adam should have stepped in to speak truth, but instead we see passivity in him. Adam did not protect his family here. Satan tries his hardest to blind us from what our souls were truly created to embrace. Because of that in history and even today, we see an epidemic of men not stepping up to be the leaders and caretakers they were created to be. We also see women feeling the need to prove themselves and take on responsibility that bogs them down and does not awaken their souls to the beauty of femininity. I encourage you to read Captivating by John and Stasi Eldredge. It is a book that gave me great joy in embracing the gift of being a woman. I pray you and anyone else reading this has a great day and truly converse with God about how these topics are difficult for you and ask for His truth to fill you.
I thought about this same thing, but I think we just have to trust that that is irrelevant, when it comes to bodily strength. It may seem strange, but God knows what He's doing and His word is true in ALL ways, there are no exceptions. Trust
We aren’t pushing at babies every day our bodies build up the stamina over the course ot 9 months before labor. I rather do that (and I have) than provide, my husband has a physically and mentally demanding job mine is more emotionally driven.
What is so complicated? Women are weaker. Why is being feminine a bad thing? ... Unless you're power-hungry. There's no denying reality. We are what we are. God made things the way they are because that's how he wanted them to be.
I’m interested in the quick mention of men vs. women’s brains. A quick google search shows that they are different in size, by about 10%. Not sure there was anything deeper there. I don’t want to put words in anyone’s mouth. I agree with everything else though. While men are generally physically stronger, the only point of that should be to protect and love others. This physicality should not be abused.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Good teaching. When Peter says that women are weaker than men, he surely has physical strength first and foremost in mind. But I think the reference is probably a little broader than that. I think it probably means that women are more delicate in other ways too, perhaps including their ability to endure some hardships.
As a woman, I think there is truth in this. I've noticed with my male Christian friends that they tend to not be as overcome/bothered emotionally. Its something that I admire about men; I wish I had more of that quality! lol I've noticed this about myself even though I tend to be more "masculine" in some of my ways, I tend to look at arguments in a "reason and logic" way, and my interests are a little more "masculine". Good observation!
@@bmylove4444 I don't find it easy to give a precise answer to your question. I have never thought about this in detail before. But I think there is some psychological element to the way that women are weaker than men. I very much doubt it's simply about the difference in muscle strength. So, for example, say a family has some devastating news of some kind. I think it's more common to find a woman get overwhelmed by it than a man. I do want to stress, though, that I believe firmly that women also tend to be better at some things than men. For example, from what I have seen, women are usually better at empathising with people who are suffering than men are.
@@Deanna974 It is so refreshing to see a woman who is not trying to pretend that women can do everything that men can do. Well done you! The truth of the matter is that men tend to be better at some things than women, and women tend to be better at some things than men. Some of the differences are God-given ones, and these should be celebrated. Others of the differences are because some sins are more common with men or with women.
The sexual organ explaination- No. Totally wrong. Piper, instead of conjecture why don't you read the Greek and get precise meaning. You never read the Greek. You always make English word studies loaded with a ton of conjecture.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Wow I'd have never thought of it being anything to do with comparative genetalila. I thought only recently about how "comical" it was for God to give a weaker women to help a man. "You need help Adam? Here, I made someone not as strong as you to help you.". God is funny.
God ultimately, but the implication of the fall is that by being deceived by satan, women are weaker in other ways. We live in a world where that’s not allowed to be a truth, doesn’t mean women are less valuable (Ephesians 1:6) or don’t know Gods grace (Galatians 3:28). More a basis for a man to treat his wife as Gods word asks of husbands. That’s why the teaching in 1 Timothy 2:18-15 has implications today and those that seek to implement their own agenda are not being obedient to Gods word and his instructions to his church and we all know how that worked out for Adam and Eve.
It is true that 1 Tim 2:14 implies that women tend to be more easily deceived than men, although I don't think the difference is that much. Of course, there are also some moral failings that men are more often guilty of than women.
@ Notice how Eve fell for the lie because the fruit was attractive and pleasing to the eye. We see women today falling for lies because those lies are attractive and dressed up to look pleasing to the eye. Same problem again and again.
@@johnsaxon5154men are exactly the same way Adam saw the fruit knew it was wrong and didn’t tell Eve no and he too thought well it does look good oh what the heck!
My dad told me when I read the phrase "weaker vessel" I should think of fine china. How do you treat fine china? With tenderness and care. You don't toss it around or put it in a dishwasher, you handle it with care, you hand wash it. It's a precious thing.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
@@ericwilson6994 Where is an angel mentioned in the story of adam and eve besides not being able to come back to the garden, you cant twist up scripture to your liking
He made women where they can't even defend themselves.
@@ericwilson6994 You are playing a dangerous game by mocking gods word, you will be held accountable for every idle word
@@marblekarma1731 No prophet shall come after Me. Anyone who says they are a prophet is a wolf in sheep's clothing. Lecture Me. 'New Pavlov' -God
This video made me so happy. I love the way you addressed the culture of today and how the current gender proportions of the more physically demanding professions are predominantly male and that this is by design, not by chauvinism or human sinfulness although it may widen that ratio.
I just got married to my wife last August and I am thankful for this video because that last section reminds me of how beautiful she is and how she will be standing in God's glory in Heaven. What a scene that will be. If anyone is able, please pray for us as we continue to fight the good fight to live lovingly and faithfully as a Christian couple for the years we have together! Thank you, Pastor John, Desiring God team, and family of believers for seeking wisdom in Christ and not in yourselves. Love you all!
Congrats on your marriage ...yes love these messages
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
You just made me feel so happy about being a woman ☺️ too many people take this passage out of context so thank you for such a clear look on it!
People mess things up daily when it comes to the Bible...the reason for so many different religions
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
@@ericwilson6994grow up.
Weaker not inferior. Love it! God bless you for not mincing your words about this in this day and age..
Hi Sissh, how are you? I’m a Christian from Chile, please can you help me to improve my English?
@@pablofuentes4831 Hi :) Thanks for esteeming my English skills but I'm not that great a teacher I'm afraid... I would highly recommend you use a service like iTalki (or something similar) that allows you to connect with native speakers in your target language (I'll be using it for my Japanese practice when I'm ready 😁). God Bless you brother.
@@sissh5761 thanks for answer me sister! I’m sure going to use it!
But, can we practice together! It will be posible? Like using WhatsApp?
Bizarre.
Yes awesome message...
Before I was born again I hated the view of “religion” on women and I embraced feminism and I even startes disliking being “feminine”. Now that I am born again I finally understand that there is nothing wrong with being “weaker” or “submissive” when it’s done in God’s way. oh the POWER and PEACE in accepting the role God gave me! 🙌🙌🔥🔥🙏🙏 There is nothing discouraging in that, I am more secure and stronger than ever, I know who I am in Him and that’s all I need. And I have embraced being feminine too, I would never want to look like a guy (no disrespect to my brothers, but as a girl I rather look like a girl indeed). God bless! 😘
Yes, so many people in Western countries think that being physically weaker somehow means being inferior as a human being in some way. But that is completely mistaken. It's not inferior to be weaker, just different. And women tend to be better at some things than men anyway.
The natural, God-designed differences between men and women should be celebrated. But instead of doing this, mainstream Western culture gets out its hammer and chisel and tries to get rid of these differences.
@@maxaplin4204 yes! Amen!
Thank you for bringing this up. I’m new to Christianity and have always thought the same things you did. Going through my first time reading the Bible I do have those moments where weaker=inferior but I am thankful the Holy Spirit is helping me understand that this is not true. I am extremely excited to continue growing in my role!
@@baileysayer8952 Praise God for all that He is teaching you!
Hi, how are you? I’m a Christian from Chile, please can you help me to improve my English?
Excellent and unapologetically biblical. I get so tired of pastors giving huge disclaimers and dancing around an obvious answer for 20 minutes before finally sugar coating what God says in order to make something more palatable at the expense of Truth. Pastor Piper definitely did NOT do that here and I’m very thankful for that. This was just as important for men to hear as it is for women. Thank you.
Well put...
I am a believer but must admit I'm struggling with this issue.
I have experienced sexism and verbal abuse and even my own dad too..that triggered me to act in some unbiblical way.
While watching this video I feel encouraged but at the same time thoughts coming my mind is "yeah, women are strong because they can carry and give birth to humans! ".. But I know somethings not right..
Now please help me with this question,
How you deal and overcome injustice, disrespect, and mistreatment from men as a Christian woman?
Buy a gun.
God bless you pastor
I'm glad John Piper stressed the word "honor". Sadly, too much time was spent on trying to understand what "weaker vessel" means, which took a lot of emphasis off of the central message of the verse. I know that he was answering the question, but still, it emphasizes "weakness" over "honor". As a woman, I've found it very helpful to remember that the exhortation is directed at husbands, not wives. I'm not being told that I'm weaker, my husband is being told to honor me as he would a weaker (some interpret this as fragile and valuable) vessel or part. You take special care of a fragile and valuable possession.
I'm more than happy with my husband (and men in general) being stronger than me, but I'm not happy at all if they use that strength against me or to put me down. I don't need to be like a man, but I do want to be respected and honored and not seen as an inferior being.
I might be going out on a limb here, but in 1 Corinthians 12:20-26, where the Church is described as the body, made up of many parts, there is also talk about "weaker parts" and how the weaker or less honorable parts are given greater honor in the Body of Christ. Bottom line, I think, is that in Christ, any greater strength (of any kind) is given to us for the benefit of others and never to use against others.
"any greater strength (of any kind) is given to us for the benefit of others and never to use against others"
That's awfully convenient. You have managed to turn your husband into your slave, as the only reason he is stronger than you is so that you benefit. He of course gets nothing out of his strength.
Lady, your husband does not exist to serve you.
@@johnsaxon5154 , well, it sure is convenient when heavy furniture needs moving so that I can vacuum underneath :-). Now, you tell me, who is serving whom?
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
@@ericwilson6994 So MIchael and Jesus Christ are one and the same?
@@johnsaxon5154 Yes, Jesus Christ, was The Arch Angel Michael in human form. I pray to God you get baptized alone at home in cold water and say Jesus Christ is Lord and I am a sinner. At that point just have faith in God. Moderation, temperance, self control, and self discipline. Sin is fine. Don't be evil. I pray you see the Kingdom of God. Have faith.
Just starting to go through 1 Peter so this was interesting to hear.
Feels like it links in a bit to Paul's instructions for Christian living in Ephesians.
Yes, there is certainly a point of connection with Eph 5:25-33.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Thanks for the copy and paste Eric. You seem to be trying to answer a question no-one is asking and making points not included in the Bible. Maybe worry about what Jesus said and did instead of Eve's bum.
@@HearGodsWord I'm simply stating a fact, that the Arch Angel Michael sculpted Eve's bum out of rib, and as God, designed it to be perfect.
@@ericwilson6994 I'd be interested what translation you're reading that confirms these words as none of mine back up your copy and paste comment .
Love these messages. Thanks for sharing
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
This didn’t really answer much. It’s more of the same stuff weak chauvinistic men in churches (pastors included) use to manipulate women. I think in 2021 we need a deeper and clearer dive into this subject. I can’t see how this is encouraging to women...especially to the women who are physically/emotionally/spiritually stronger than most men these days.
There was nothing chauvinistic in John Piper's message in this video. God has made men and women different in some respects, and we should celebrate the God-given and natural differences. We shouldn't try to overcome them like so many in godless Western culture do.
Men tend to be better at some things than women, and women tend to be better at some things than men.
You talk about women being physically stronger than men. But the average physical strength of men is obviously much greater than the average physical strength of women. It's politically correct nonsense to try to deny this.
I think this can actually be encouraging for women if it helps them to see that in some circumstances less is expected of them than men. That might help to reduce some pressure they might feel.
@@maxaplin4204 agreed. And I'm a woman. I don't feel mentally or emotionally weak but I recognise that there are in built weaknesses in my body... Hormonally there will be times I will feel out of control. Physically don't even care about my lack of strength. Happy to be treated with extra love.
It’s NOT meant to be encouraging the people who’ve drunk the feminism kool-aid. It’s meant to reinforce God’s purpose in how He designed men and women. Google Fallon Fox and MMA. It’s incorrect to think of men and women as unequal because we have differing roles. One is meant to lead, the other is meant to submit. Just because you submit doesn’t mean you’re inferior. Man learns to lead by first submitting to God.
@@theninjafry Absolutely, equality does not mean sameness. God the Son is eternally subordinate to God the Father, yet both are equally God. Subordination doesn't necessarily mean intrinsic inferiority at all.
Bruh. Thank you
I believe it boils down to the role of the male verses the role of the female within the divine design of God , established in the body of Christ plowing together the land has become one flesh working in UNITY , the man has strengths and weaknesses and the woman has strengths and weaknesses and should compliment each other ... much love in our Lord Jesus Christ xxx Lance
Yes, weaker but not inferior. These feminists need to understand that. God put men to lead their homes and the church. This does not take anything away from women. We function best when we function the way God intended.
Thanks for this.
Highly respected Pastor John and all those who read this,
My clear understanding of this page with strong conviction is as below.
1. We are slaves of traditional teaching that males are superior etc.
2. God has sent males and females with important expected responsibilities with roles ( as if in a drama stage) different but well defined and complementary. (Vessel = role). Women are expected by God to justify their assigned role as supportive )weaker) part and not a dominant part or role or character in the brief earthly stay of testing of our performances. Cf. Rom 9. 21-23";... In Tamil one of the very oldest since after Babel dispersion, weaker vessel = slightly less important role ( பாண்டம்/ பாத்திரம்) Please remember Shakespeare days plays and what the actors roles sre called?
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
How do you explain that it is written in a way that it can be interpreted differently? ... That it has to be a subject?
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Hi Paula:
Michael the archangel was not there at creation, looking at how the enemy, the serpent raised doubt about "Indeed, hath God said...?" let's us know that evil intentions are often behind any attempt to interpret the Bible differently. Secondly, you have undoubtedly found that you have had to stop conversations with someone who was certainly teying to get to know you, and say, "Wait; _What I meant was_ ....." Right? Anyone who was trying to get to know you would have to simply do the work to figure out what words mean when they come out of your particular mouth, which is expressing your particular mind, which is driven by your particular spirit. Those words will express background, intent, context, worldview, etc. We now (as I am sure you already know) must do all of THAT with _studying_ the Bible, to truly _hear_ God, to truly _know_ Him. I would say that the fall of man, and the wickedness of the enemy has caused the hornet's nest of "interpretation" that we now see. Hope that helps.
Find a biblical Greek word study.
thank you Pastor John for this answer
could there also be a connotation here of distinctly different types or kinds of pottery vessels that either Peter or Paul would have been very familiar with? the feminine - more elegant, elaborate, decorated, in a word fancy pottery, possibly more delicate. used for holding highly valuable contents that warrant such ornate earthenware. but the masculine, more stocky, sturdy, humble pottery, larger vessels that hold quantities of common goods, perhaps to be held for a long time; built for durability
Hit the nail on the head. It could be that the word weaker is better translated as delicate. And so he alludes to how one would treat an ornate intricate delicate pottery.
Giving birth and bleeding is not elegant at all but it's very feminine....
@@MaMama-S3D I see what you mean.
The life of a woman has always been and remains more difficult than the life of a man.
@Elijah it’s true! Men aren’t wrecked by their hormones once every 4 weeks, they don’t get wrecked by carrying a baby to term, and they don’t get wrecked by passages of the Bible that demean them.
@@Iamwrongbut No passages of the Bible demean women. You have confused equality and sameness, a confusion that is extremely common in modern Western culture.
The subordination of women to men in some contexts doesn't imply intrinsic inferiority.
The Bible teaches that God the Son is eternally subordinate to God the Father, but without being less valuable or less God.
The same kind of principle applies in some male - female relationships.
@@maxaplin4204 tell me, under God’s inerrant OT law, if a man dies with 2 children - 1 boy and 1 girl, how much of the inheritance does the girl get?
@@Iamwrongbut I can't remember the details of OT law, but I am guessing that the answer is nothing.
But we need to remember that nearly every girl would get married, and then she would be in a position take advantage of her husband's inheritance.
And wider family groups, including brothers, would be expected to take care of the few girls who never married.
In the Middle East, maybe. Hahaha
A lot of people believe the body here is purely referring to the musculoskeletal system. They might touch on how it refers to women having weaker emotions or hormonal system, but very few remark how the body could possibly be referring to the brain as well. Thank you for exegeting the difficult passages and boldly saying what you believe the text to mean, while doing it with such tenderness and love that most women listening to this totally forgot that you implied their brains being weaker (in some sense), because you taught it in such gracious and balanced way.
I'm glad I watched this, I wasn't sure how to take that statement. I saw this said in another comment but I'll rephrase it: To God, weaker is not synonymous with worse/inferior (unlike with our human societies think, which is why women being weaker is a problem). I guess how I'm thinking about it now after this is that we're honestly both weak, for several reasons. A woman can't provide for herself because she's "weaker", but also because she's human. A man can't provide for himself because he's human AND is charged to provide for more than himself. Both of them have a situation where they need God's help just from being human, and doubly so because within the context of being human they have to do certain things (which they'll mess up at without God).
Amen.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
That was wonderful. Thank you. My husband doesn't honor me. I'm just a tool. But I'm OK with that because I know God will have much better things for me in Heaven
You aren’t a tool sister. You are much more worthy, more than precious rubies according to God. I hope your husband starts to honor you, he should because that’s his role as a husband. Is he christian? Keep in prayer for him.
I can tell he doesn't believe in God.
A way to think of it is like a pair of allied ships (a different, but still useful use of the word "vessel") on an ocean. The stronger ship should help aid and defend the weaker partner. The size and or strength of the ship is not a clear indicator of the quality or strength of what the vessel contains. It is not about asserting the quality of weakness of women, but rather the placing a responsibility upon men to care for their wives.
While the majority of the Judges of Israel were men, Deborah was a woman Judge who led the people of Israel to victory in battle. While we should understand that while the norm is for men to be stronger than women, we should acknowledge, respect, and allow women who God has gifted with qualities that exceed this norm, and especially those who put those exceptional qualities to use in service of God.
The three constituents that establish a relationship of man and woman, justifies them as a couple and determines the sanctity of being married as husband and wife.
I think one of the worst examples of trying to pretend that women are as physically strong as men is on the issue of front line soldiers. It is absurd to have women doing this job.
I saw a news clip a few years ago about this, which highlighted the point. It talked about a military rule for front line troops that a single soldier should be strong enough to carry away a wounded soldier from the battle front.
But they wanted to allow women to be front line soldiers too, but a woman was typically not strong enough to carry away a big man on her own. So they changed the rule to say that no more than 2 women should be strong enough to carry away a wounded soldier.
But this rule change is obviously going to mean that sometimes the fighting ability of front line units would be decreased, because an extra person would sometimes be needed to carry away a wounded man.
We see here how foolish political correctness has been allowed to trump the ability of the military to fight.
I think Paul's words apply very well to mainstream Western culture at the present time:
'Claiming to be wise, they became fools.' (Rom 1:22)
I have seen something similar happen in Spain when I was living there. They wanted to make “easier” exams for women to become firefighters so there could be as many women as men at the job. I wasn’t even saved then and I remember thinking: wait. How’s a woman gonna be able to to carry my weight in an emergency?? I recognize that there might be the exception out there, but it’s that: an exception. It’s crazy what’s happening in the West. To think I once contributed to that :(
They probably also didn’t consider what PMS would do to a woman’s body. Not only the cramp itself blocks our ability to perform but the bloating, headache, fatigue, all play in effect. Sometimes I also wonder if this verse refers to the unavoidable PMS many women suffer from. Personally, it’s like I’m sick for 2-5 days regularly every month. This is something many men wouldn’t understand without the effort to humbly listen and learn.
@@yellow.marisa I have wondered exactly the same thing myself. How many people is it worth allowing to burn to death to make this politically correct point?
If someone is trapped in a burning building, we shouldn't want even men of average strength coming to rescue them. It should be big guys who are much stronger than average. To allow women to do this job is unconscionable.
It highlights the wrong priorities and enormous hypocrisy of so many in Western culture today.
@@kittylover4974 That's another valid point that I hadn't considered.
And your idea that this verse might include a reference to PMS is also well worth considering.
You are right too that men need to take care to empathise about this.
Father God, thank you for this message! In accordance with this word and 1 peter 3:7, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 I loosen myself of every unequal yoke and common share of all those dishonoring me as inferior because I am a woman as well as loosening myself of every unequal yoke and common share with those not being my husband, in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah!
Good treatment of the text
This was a rather unclear answer, and at 14 minutes, you'd think it would've been more useful.
"Vessel" means "genitals" in 1 Thessalonians? Don't think so.
OK, so after taking forever to say that women are physically weaker, he just barely mentions that this has implications for our brains, and our brains influence other things. Then he stops.
In summary:
"Weaker" means physically weaker, but also other things, but there's no time to get into that.
We're reaching Jordan Peterson levels of "Talks so much, but says so little" here.
Thanks for the warning.
That's typical for Piper when talking about anything that could offend women.
I thought it was just me...
And really, its unclear because everyone always treads softly so as not to offend the modern woman. and that jordan reference is spot on. Ive never in my life heard someone speak for so long and say absolutely nothing, while everyone marvels at his genius.
And im stuck like :/
I agree. I was hoping to get a clear, straightforward answer, but nope. I wasted nearly fifteen minutes of my life just to hear some guy tell me that I’m physically weaker than a man because I’m a woman as if we don’t already know that. Sadly, I didn’t learn anything in this video that would actually help in my walk with God.
@@Andrea92_91our weakness is supposed to represent the need of Jesus as the body of Christ is weak and needs Jesus for support in everything…God gives and we receive. We receive life from Jesus through the gospel and women receive life from the man seed. It’s symbolic to represent God’s majestic nature.
Women are weaker because they are more after things that are more earthly, but not necessarily sinful, such as relationship, passion for love, intimacy, beauty and a whole other sensitive things that actually stun me. Sometimes I sit and remunerate about it and I have one comclusion: God made it that way or else women won't be women. I think about other matters more, not relationship or passion, beauty, but how can I innovate, make money, please God.
I see that but many men have hobbies and also have goals and dreams that are earthly…not sinful unless it becomes and idol.
Today's sinful culture would deem this relational inequity.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Thank you for this. Before I truly believed it used to make me so mad that I was weaker and submissive to men. I now know this is the natural order that GOD created. I truly love the way GOD designed us.
Many defend the Bible’s view on women and say that they have different roles but are of equal value.
If that’s true, then tell me why fathers are allowed to sell their daughters into slavery in the Old Testament, but it makes no mention of selling their sons:
Exodus 21:7
“When [not if] a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.
Is that because women are treated as property of men to be bought and sold? And men are treated as owners, not property?
Hebrew men were enslaved too. See, e.g., Deut 12:15-18.
@@maxaplin4204 Deuteronomy 12:15-18
[15] “However, you may slaughter and eat meat within any of your towns, as much as you desire, according to the blessing of the LORD your God that he has given you. The unclean and the clean may eat of it, as of the gazelle and as of the deer. [16] Only you shall not eat the blood; you shall pour it out on the earth like water. [17] You may not eat within your towns the tithe of your grain or of your wine or of your oil, or the firstborn of your herd or of your flock, or any of your vow offerings that you vow, or your freewill offerings or the contribution that you present, [18] but you shall eat them before the LORD your God in the place that the LORD your God will choose, you and your son and your daughter, your male servant and your female servant, and the Levite who is within your towns. And you shall rejoice before the LORD your God in all that you undertake.
Not sure what you’re referencing in this passage. Of course men could be slaves, but it never mentions someone else selling a man into slavery. They can sell themselves into slavery, but only women can be sold by someone else (I.e. their father)
@@Iamwrongbut I did make a mistake with the reference. Apologies for that.
I just meant v. 18, which shows that men could be slaves.
The last 2 sentences of your first comment seemed to suggest that you thought that only women were slaves in ancient Israel.
But I see now that your focus was on people selling their daughters and not sons rather than on women and not men being slaves.
I will admit that I don't know enough of this subject matter to comment on the specifics.
One answer that I often see given to the sort of objection you raise is that God permitted some bad things in the Law of Moses because of people's hardness of heart, knowing that if he gave stricter rules, they would just be disobeyed, and that Israel had much kinder laws in general than all the other nations round about.
I think there may well be something to that line of thinking, but I don't want to pretend I have a good answer.
The argument you make doesn't make me lose faith in Jesus, though, or doubt the inspiration of the Bible.
@Desire Of All Nations if you think this is a passage of judgment you do not know the context. God is literally describing how women are to be treated “when” their father’s sell them into slavery. This comes after the description in Exodus 21 of how Hebrew men can sell themselves into slavery and then are released after 6 years of service.
What the passage I am referring to is about is women being sold by their father as marriage slaves to other men. Women have no say in the matter according to the law. So, if a man has a daughter and he incurs debts, he can sell his property (in this case his daughter) to payoff that debt. There is no passage in the OT that allows a man to sell his son if he’s in debt. That’s where the inequality stems from, besides the moral repugnance of debt slavery.
If God didn’t want this to happen, then He could have written “Fathers shall not sell their daughters into slavery.” Instead, He gave clear instructions on how to do it according to his law.
I’m excited to hear you say that slavery is morally okay in this context. If you are planning to say that, then please answer me this question: would you sell your own daughter as a slave if you were in debt and lived 2500 years ago?
@@maxaplin4204 slavery is wrong.
They “generally”can not take as much punishment physically and mentally. What’s hard to understand?
Thank you for a biblical answer ✝️🙏💖
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Women being weaker physically calls for a protective en respecting character in a man. So I was expecting something here along that line, that men still have to respect and honour women. But Piper tells women to look up to men. And then goes on bashing strong women and strong women advertisements. How can this help men to honour and respecting women? He only emphasizes that men are stronger and therefore should lead women.
Thats why its sad when men verbally and physically abuse women. Its truly disgusting.
Yeah for real. We men should know better to treat them nicer, no matter how cruel they can be
How is this supposed to be encouraging for women?
It's interesting but I think women can be encouraged that they don't have to be men when men are present, for example when protection, strength, and so on, are needed.
If it is God's design, why wouldn't the statement of its truth be encouraging to (godly) women?
Well, it certainly shouldn't be DIScouraging.
Because women are physically weaker, less will be expected of them in some areas, so I think that could be encouraging.
If women feel that they have to be as able as men in every single area, that could lead to some feeling of pressure. If this pressure is removed, it could be encouraging.
Men and women have different roles in the home and in the church, but different roles do not indicate differing worth. People who take umbrage with Peter’s mention of a woman’s physical weakness completely miss the rest of 1 Peter 3:7, which clearly says that the husband and wife are spiritually equal. They are “heirs” of the “gift of life” together. A wife should be treated with “respect,” and a husband who fails to honor his wife will find that his prayers are “hindered.” For instance men and women have different, God-given roles, and those roles should be celebrated and assumed with thanksgiving, child birth would be a great example. Ultimately Men will answer to God for how they lead their families and the church. Just because men have spiritual authority over women in the church doesn’t mean men are superior or that they have a special standing with God.
Clearly God has chosen distinct roles for both men and women that they may complement each other in a way that most glorifies Himself.
I'm encouraged in knowing I'm different from men. I'm supposed to be. I don't have to try to be a man, look like a man and get what men get in order to be valid as a woman.
When you get weaker",you fall off when there as strong as they come there vessles fit
Wow!
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Ok, so if I'm supposed to be the weaker and submissive sex, why did God make me with a dominant, non-ladylike personality then put me in a weak, submissive body, expecting me to be submissive? Shouldn't I have been made a man instead?
You’re actually not weird you’re pretty much an average woman, submissiveness isn’t in our nature anymore due to sin. God said because of sin women would desire to one up their husbands. Submitting takes a lot of practice and giving up our pride. It’s ultimately surrendering to God not man .
@sofiabravo1994 God is actually the only one I'll submit to, cause he's our creator. I just don't submit to men just because they're men and are somehow "the superior sex".
Eve ate the fruit because of a talking serpent... Adam is so weak he’ll disobey God if another human tells him. Eve? “This had better be good ... “
Yes weak mentally but not physically.
I think the emphasis & importance of the "weaker vessel" part of this verse is to paint out that physical abuse from a husband against a woman, or a man against woman, is absolutely not okay at all. Like you have to respect and honor women in that sense, and protect them too. It's not that women are incapable of protecting themselves or that sometimes they aren't stronger than men... sometimes a woman can be physically stronger than a man... but the point is that we don't abuse bodily strength to abuse one another. And also that we don't just ignore evil happening among us but we protect the weak as necessary.
This is merely what I observed at a time when I was wrestling with this verse.
Also I'm not sure what John was trying to say about the brain thing, women tend to have a larger ratio of grey matter than men - so men literally aren't smarter than us and we're just made differently. Men and women are equal before God but different in role, so I feel like it could have been presented better. But not trying to come sideways at John or anything...
I’ve never been able to wrap my head around these types of verses including the verses on marriage. None of this sits comfortably with me and makes me feel so uneasy.
Same
I have to admit, same here. But I just started watching the video, so I'll see
Hey! I understand how these subjects can be hard to digest especially depending on upbringing and our personal experiences. I would encourage you to begin at Genesis. In the garden is where we see God’s design for men, women, and marriage. Satan was well informed on this design. Satan cannot create anything on his own, he can only pervert or twist God’s perfect designs. So that is exactly what he did after being kicked out of Heaven. He came as a serpent to Eve and Adam. (Ezekiel 28:13-19, Genesis 3) Now Adam was the one God gave instruction to not eat of the tree. Eve wasn’t even created yet. (Genesis 2:15-17) It was Adam’s responsibility as the head of the family to relay that information to Eve. In Genesis 3, God’s men and women design is cunningly attacked by Satan here. Though Adam and Eve were standing together at the tree (verse 6) Satan addresses only Eve knowing she isn’t the one who heard the instruction directly from God. This makes it easier for her to be deceived because how can she really know God said that if she wasn’t there? As the leader and one who witnessed the instruction himself, Adam should have stepped in to speak truth, but instead we see passivity in him. Adam did not protect his family here. Satan tries his hardest to blind us from what our souls were truly created to embrace. Because of that in history and even today, we see an epidemic of men not stepping up to be the leaders and caretakers they were created to be. We also see women feeling the need to prove themselves and take on responsibility that bogs them down and does not awaken their souls to the beauty of femininity.
I encourage you to read Captivating by John and Stasi Eldredge. It is a book that gave me great joy in embracing the gift of being a woman. I pray you and anyone else reading this has a great day and truly converse with God about how these topics are difficult for you and ask for His truth to fill you.
@@jennalanders6799 thank you very much! I think verses like these always take a while to wrap my head around abs process.
Feminist?
Pickle jars. Sorry couldn’t resist
A weak vessel able to carry a baby and give birth to it ?
I thought about this same thing, but I think we just have to trust that that is irrelevant, when it comes to bodily strength. It may seem strange, but God knows what He's doing and His word is true in ALL ways, there are no exceptions. Trust
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We aren’t pushing at babies every day our bodies build up the stamina over the course ot 9 months before labor. I rather do that (and I have) than provide, my husband has a physically and mentally demanding job mine is more emotionally driven.
What is so complicated? Women are weaker. Why is being feminine a bad thing?
... Unless you're power-hungry.
There's no denying reality. We are what we are. God made things the way they are because that's how he wanted them to be.
Vessel of what?
I’m interested in the quick mention of men vs. women’s brains. A quick google search shows that they are different in size, by about 10%. Not sure there was anything deeper there. I don’t want to put words in anyone’s mouth. I agree with everything else though. While men are generally physically stronger, the only point of that should be to protect and love others. This physicality should not be abused.
Men don't exist to serve women dude. that is pagan nonsense.
The Bible and feminism are diametrically opposed. Chose this day who you will follow- the Bible or the spirit of the age ( today it is feminism ).
John, knowing that Biden is doing exactly what he said he’d do, are you wishing you could have given different electoral advice?
I thought he said he would work toward the decriminalize of the possession and use of cannabis.
This video made me wanna die wait what
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Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Good teaching.
When Peter says that women are weaker than men, he surely has physical strength first and foremost in mind.
But I think the reference is probably a little broader than that. I think it probably means that women are more delicate in other ways too, perhaps including their ability to endure some hardships.
Hardships like what? If you don't mind me asking?
As a woman, I think there is truth in this. I've noticed with my male Christian friends that they tend to not be as overcome/bothered emotionally. Its something that I admire about men; I wish I had more of that quality! lol
I've noticed this about myself even though I tend to be more "masculine" in some of my ways, I tend to look at arguments in a "reason and logic" way, and my interests are a little more "masculine".
Good observation!
@@bmylove4444 I don't find it easy to give a precise answer to your question. I have never thought about this in detail before.
But I think there is some psychological element to the way that women are weaker than men. I very much doubt it's simply about the difference in muscle strength.
So, for example, say a family has some devastating news of some kind. I think it's more common to find a woman get overwhelmed by it than a man.
I do want to stress, though, that I believe firmly that women also tend to be better at some things than men.
For example, from what I have seen, women are usually better at empathising with people who are suffering than men are.
@@maxaplin4204 thank you for explaining your thoughts
@@Deanna974 It is so refreshing to see a woman who is not trying to pretend that women can do everything that men can do. Well done you!
The truth of the matter is that men tend to be better at some things than women, and women tend to be better at some things than men.
Some of the differences are God-given ones, and these should be celebrated.
Others of the differences are because some sins are more common with men or with women.
Geez. Just answer. Why tippy toe? Ministers are so afraid to speak God’s Word when it goes against liberal society.
The vessel has to do with they body.
Stronger so that the husband can protect..."protect"....except Piper contradicts himself with his pacifist beliefs about home and self defense.
So toxic. So ridiculous.
Physical weaker the Head aka Men the strongest one
The sexual organ explaination- No. Totally wrong. Piper, instead of conjecture why don't you read the Greek and get precise meaning. You never read the Greek. You always make English word studies loaded with a ton of conjecture.
Let Me answer this question. THE ALMIGHTY FATHER and HIS Begotten Son Jesus Christ, The Arch Angel Michael, and The Holy Ghost, created a man named Adam from dust. And from that dust, Michael took a rib out of it, and created a woman. What is greater, dust, or the rib from that dust? As an aside, anyone arguing that Eve's ass is not perfect doesn't understand that it was The Arch Angel Michael Himself who carved Eve out of a rib, and Michael sculpted her ass to be perfection. Genesis 3:16 Yet your desire will be for your husband, And he shall rule over you. #NoNewWorldOrder
Ughh stop putting this up everywhere 🙄
@@easypianobeautifulmusic2974 Why not?
@@ericwilson6994 becuz your annoying
Wow I'd have never thought of it being anything to do with comparative genetalila. I thought only recently about how "comical" it was for God to give a weaker women to help a man. "You need help Adam? Here, I made someone not as strong as you to help you.". God is funny.
Their biceps, duh.
This is gross.
God ultimately, but the implication of the fall is that by being deceived by satan, women are weaker in other ways. We live in a world where that’s not allowed to be a truth, doesn’t mean women are less valuable (Ephesians 1:6) or don’t know Gods grace (Galatians 3:28). More a basis for a man to treat his wife as Gods word asks of husbands. That’s why the teaching in 1 Timothy 2:18-15 has implications today and those that seek to implement their own agenda are not being obedient to Gods word and his instructions to his church and we all know how that worked out for Adam and Eve.
It is true that 1 Tim 2:14 implies that women tend to be more easily deceived than men, although I don't think the difference is that much.
Of course, there are also some moral failings that men are more often guilty of than women.
@ Notice how Eve fell for the lie because the fruit was attractive and pleasing to the eye. We see women today falling for lies because those lies are attractive and dressed up to look pleasing to the eye.
Same problem again and again.
@@johnsaxon5154men are exactly the same way Adam saw the fruit knew it was wrong and didn’t tell Eve no and he too thought well it does look good oh what the heck!