Ancient Egyptian Astrology
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- Опубліковано 25 лип 2024
- Professor Ian Moyer joins the show to talk about the history and practice of astrology in ancient Egypt, and discuss some of the notable Egyptian contributions to the astrological tradition.
Ian is the author of the book Egypt and the Limits of Hellenism, which explores the ancient history and modern historiography of cultural and intellectual encounters between ancient Greeks and Egyptians.
At the beginning of the episode we talk about the early Egyptian use of the 36 fixed star decans for calendrical and timekeeping purposes, and how these eventually came to be used for the purposes of astrology.
Other topics covered in this episode include:
The Naos of the Decades
The rising decan as a precursor to the Ascendant
Zodiacs in the temples of Dendera and Esna
The use of astrology by Egyptian priests
Demotic horoscopes
Astrological glyphs derived from Egyptian
Coffin lids with zodiacs
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Timestamps
00:00:00 Introduction
00:09:42 The Egyptian language
00:18:42 The decans
00:35:10 The Naos of the Decades
01:06:25 Decans as precursor to the Ascendant
01:15:10 Egyptian hour priests
01:40:27 Academic sources for Egyptian astrology
01:45:27 What constitutes astrology in Egypt?
01:58:35 Cosmic harmony
02:03:25 Shai, Egyptian God of Fate
02:11:45 Mesopotamian astrology transmitted to Egypt
02:23:25 Hellenistic period and Ptolemaic Egypt
02:32:25 Zodiac of Dendera and Esna
02:56:20 The Thema Mundi
03:14:33 Coffin lids with zodiacs
03:29:05 Heliodora: Earliest known woman astrologer
03:33:24 Demotic horoscopes
04:00:55 Astrological glyphs derived from Egyptian
04:09:15 Reassessing the Egyptian contribution
04:23:50 The Hermetic tradition and origins of Hellenistic astrology
04:55:45 Determinism and magic
05:02:05 The lasting influence of Egypt on the astrological tradition
05:18:58 Credits and sponsors - Розваги
Gotta love Chris for his 5 hour podcasts 😂
Not to mention that the content is so rich I have to watch them 2 or 3 times!
It's cool because I can listen through my whole shift, most times.
I'm still getting through it months later and I clicked on it same day it was uploaded
Chris could have easily asked for $100 to watch this video. I'm so grateful for the deep dive on the Sunday afternoon with no ads. 🙏🍷
Appreciation & $upport can be offered on Patreon 🙏
@@constancewallace9969 was just going to say the same thing - it's great supporting Chris' work on Patreon.
Five hours yes please.
5 hours! WOW! Wonderful insights in this episode. Thank you both for your stamina 🙂
As a PhD Geographer and student Astrologer, I loved this ‘lecture-conversation.’ If I were teaching Antiquities I would certainly assign this podcast in my curriculum. I learned so much about cosmopolitan Egypt and how Astrology evolved from you guys. 🙏🏼
What a gift this episode is
as an egyptology enthusiast, brilliant insight on astrology influence across different cultures. All astrologers should visit Dendera to gaze at the heavens!
15 minutes in and I’m thrilled! Learning history just fills my heart! Thank you guys for this!
Let's Go ! 5.22 hours !? This is going to be Amazing.
Going to make some popcorn...
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The Weaving: Plants, Planets and People by Abrah Arenson. It it starting to feel like they had everything connecting. From the cosmos to the cell. Then we broke it all apart. If you look at the parts of the body and how they function, they often have similar names for other things in the outer world. And then plants or medicine related to those that connects not just in medicinal way but often times in a spiritual(breath) way. Things have been watered down and it is about to be condensed back into something that is a like a sacred twine. Really excited!!
Fantastically interesting... thank you for taking the time to share it.
I’ve always been drawn to Egypt, when a psychic said it was part of my past life, my dreams, the synchro destinies I came across, my location and the similar beliefs (hopi and navajo nation). Thank you Chris for all you do for all of us, it’s very much appreciated. 🙏🏼✨🌙🤓
If you want to connect to Egyptian past lives get ahold of Roselite (Rose Granite) Elixir. It is interesting to note that there are huge Rose Granite "lenses" above the Kings Chamber, this rose granite was taken from Scotland.
Thank you both for this program. Chris, I love it when you explore astrological history within the context of cultural history with such well informed guests. Much appreciation!
Such a high quality podcast. Also, credit to the host for bringing a lot of structure and necessary highlighting to the conversation. Amazing.
I am hoping you do a whole episode on the Antikythera Mechanism 🤞🏽
Just think what books and writings would have been in the Library of Alexandria!!! Excellent Chris, to you and your guest -Fascinating and compelling! -Thank you
Not to forget the libraries of the Vatican too! There must be so much ancient knowledge there!
21mins in and OMG already! I've been pondering on this and your nailing it for me, thank you to you both!
Thank you! What a fantastic episode. Very informative!
5:22!? wow it must be packed with gems
I'm excited to get into this podcast, your book on Hellenistic astrology just showed up in the mail the other day so I'm excited and I don't know where to start lol
I wonder at what point the rulers of ancient Greeks, Romans and Egyptians first started using the planets to guide them. Love this podcast. It's amazing material. Thanks so much you guys! 🌹
Loved this session and learned more of ancient history.
Thank you, this was amazing! ❤✨
Great interview.
This was amazing! Such an interesting discussion, thank you!
Awesome 🎉❤ very informative and delightful interview 🎉❤
Thankyou so much to you both, so fascinating and interesting...I wish this had been taught when I was at school .
Really looking forward to this.
Just a delight 🫶
Loved this. Thanks!
Amazing & Brilliant 🌟 Thank You both!
I'll have to divide in 2 or 3 parts this more than 5 hours video! Thanks!
I was just recently researching about this topic 😮
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Thank you 🙏
YES YES YESSS LETS GO BACK BACK BACK TO THE THOTH SCRIBAL ERAAA!! COME CHTONIC HERMES BRING US BACK IN TIMEEEEE
Epic! Also, Bomhard needs to re-release her book.
Nice painting 🖼️ in the background 🤓
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If you want to go to an egyptology course you must learn French, German or polish fluently. In your undergrad you must do that and get a specific foundation in the history/ archeology. All USgrad programs have specific requirements like this. It's hard to advance if you didn't study one of those languages.
M A S S I V E V I D E O !!!!! WOW ! GOOD EFFORT !!!! I'm going to try to watch all of this, I might have to break off and watch it at different times!
I feel like I am reading a history book- very neat!
The finding of the Imhotep book by Petese reminds me of how Deuteronomy was a text found in the wall of a temple, presented to the King Josiah of Judah and ascribed as the word of Yahweh.
In that Discord of the Eighth and the Ninth, the election is to be done at Hermes' heliacal rising and in exaltation (15° Virgo)!
Very interesting, with lots of detailed information. :)
Personally, I am hoping that the coming years would also shed some more light on potential Egyptian influence on the classical elements (fire, air, water, earth, "ether"), including especially on whether (and if yes how much) influence there might have already been in classical and presocratic times.
(For example, Plato's dialog that speaks about elements, "Timaios", refers also a lot to Egypt and at least the infamous story about "Atlantis" within was apparently obtained by Solon, an ancestor of Plato, at Sais, the ancient capital of Egypt in the Nile Delta, from priests of the goddess Neith.)
I wonder if Neith is the same as Nut.
@@leviashanken2506 I would guess there is some connection; as far as I know to the ancient Egyptians the sky was made of water, hence besides similarly sounding names, Nut and Neith would have some connection to water.
In the Heliopolis creation myth apparently the four children of Nut would have been Osiris, Isis, Set and Nepthys. And in a later(?) myth, Isis is kept prisoner by Set in the spinning house in Sais, hence nominally the "home" of Neith.
A fragment of a poem by Empedocles is usually cited as the first mention of the four classical elements, while immediately it speaks of four deities:
And first the fourtold root of all things hear!-
White gleaming Zeus, life-bringing Hera, Aidoneus
And Nestis whose tears bedew mortality.
(transl. William Leonard, except that I used the original Greek names)
Aidoneus is simply another common name for Hades, while a goddess "Nestis" seems to appear only in that fragment. Often it is speculated that with a couple Zeus-Hera there would also be a couple Hades-Persephone, or in Egyptian terms Osiris-Isis and Set-Nephtys, hence Nestis=Nepthys?
(I wrote an article around Empedocles' fragment about four years ago, but I am not a historian (originally a physicist), so I might have missed some things that contemporary researchers might know better by now, and Google cannot find, yet. And no real conclusion in the article, just at least several ways of reading it... www.exactphilosophy.net/the-roots-of-the-four-elements-in-empedocles-poem-and-similarly-veiled-in-the-hippocratic-oath.pdf There is also the relatively obvious connection to the Nile flood, a bit romantically/informally formulated as follows: The black fertile earth (Osiris) would dry up by the heat of the sun (red desert god Seth), thus be fractured into many pieces like drying soil, thus becoming infertile, until the (white) Nile (Nepthys?) would bring it back together and to life again, and start to grow again (Isis, Horus?), and hence maybe overall Nestis in the poem the archaic "great (white) goddess" and the other three her triplicities, and so on...)
Awesome so far! I haven't finished yet but what about the decan faces?
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WOW!!!
Have it playing in the background while I clean, when did it repeat back to the dendra zodiac?
Loooong and very detailed podcasts and videos. So very Saturnian of Chris. I'll probably listen to it this evening or one of the next instead of audiobooks. The topic looks interesting and is not covered much.
Is there a list of texts🤔 mentioned in the Podcast?
I posted a partial bibliography on the podcast website: theastrologypodcast.com/2023/04/22/ancient-egyptian-astrology/
We need a Double thumbs up button here.. ' Your killing the Game Brennan..
mythologies may have also arise because people often named their children after star deities too. This is practiced by some ethnic groups in Africa.
It's very interesting how the zodiac in Dendera seems to be flipped. Why are the depictions of the gods facing the opposite direction? It looks like they are going from cancer to pisces instead the other way around.
Also, I heard that when it was discovered, they believed the temple was much older.
Any thoughts on this?
The concept of Maat is cosmology and the greater framework for astrology. And probably where "as above, so below" comes from.
Why does the dead person have a bull's tail?
Listening to this, I like to close my eyes and imagine him being Jim Carreys Dr Stephano
3:02:19 bookmark
can you calculate a date from an ancient egyptian birth chart?
The tension between personal astrology and Christianity is often brought up. But I also wonder about why they arose at roughly the same time, astrologically speaking. (Maybe it's related to the 3 Magi - the only astrology deeply related to Christianity?)
In addition... there are a very small number of moscs, 10 ish... the oldest and thay are scatered around the arabias.... the have there prayer walls... but unlike the other moscs thay dont face mecca. Thay actually face petra... the nebateean capital...
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Is there a possibility that the ancients actually experienced Nature and the forces as very aggressive? Like natural disasters were actually more severe? Or they experienced it as such?
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Proto Canaanite Language. Son of Ham (Ham was likely Africa / Egypt).
Egypt was first called Kemit, most likely from Ham, Cham (hot) in Hebrew
@@leviashanken2506 Ham’s extension would be Canaan.
Could also mean Israel was an extension of Africa at some point
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I heard on another channel nous was like a star gate and would have inscription of the star system that the gate was from
I thought Thoth and Maat were married or does that come later?
April 10th?
I would say that the first decan starts July 22 but I could be wrong.
This leaves out much older source e.g., Napta Playa (stone cosmological monuments) in southern Egypt and Ethiopia,
Marahcast… 🏃
I’m still 😳 that this was a terrible time to have an episode on this topic. 😆 Just because I’d rather avoid it and it’s not exactly being discussed, there’s been a conspiracy theory for a while that Egyptian history was made up and a lot of implying that current Egypt is an illegitimate nation. It has a lot of things sprinkled into it including some antisemitism and netflix probably accidentally stepped in that poop pile..
ACTUALLY ON TOPIC.. regardless of opinions, I do believe the United States was founded on the hope that we could (someday) recreate the great accomplishments of Egypt and this region someday, I think Themis being such a prominent archetype of the US can explain, not just the hopes, but the problems that hopefully can be worked out to reach a better goal. I did stumble on a religious conspiracy theory stating the Statue of Liberty is an Egyptian Baalist demon, but it’s just a symbol of the enlightenment era which is a search for truth. Nothing is perfect, there’s a lot of growing pains to expect and experience.
I’m hoping to (eventually) get into Austin’s work on the decans and it’s nice to hear he’s working on something. I was pulled heavily into the Buddhist wheel of life where I kept being pulled back to it with astrology where it finally clicked. I (personally) want to return to a more simplified symbolic view where the complexity it’s added through interactions. The wheel of life was more about how “western thought” looks at things as linear and existing on an island, their wheel of life can be difficult to westerners since it’s non-linear. Simplifying astrology, that approach actually helps see how significations manifest.
I could use it with early Christianity since this was a topic, you’d have to use symbolism of the 12th with “birth” and look at it from the lens of the 12th. The 12th is most noticeable when being expressed when there’s a messaging related to angers/hostilities related to what an individual was born into; the house trines are influential. 12/4/8: they’d be supportive and reinforcing. Then you’d have (potentially) physical world manifestations in the 6th opposition and tensions in the squares (3rd/9th). The garden of Eden myth in the Nag Hammadi may be one of the most blatant attacks on astrology in those texts, yet, you’d actually see the astrology predicting it. Being a spirit trapped within a physical body, being forced by a false god into service of HIM. The goddess as the serpent and truth of the true god.. etc… an imperfect creation from the Union of imperfect desires.. so on, so forth. The sextile’s are weaker, but they’d probably add interesting details. Even stripped down, the philosophical patterning in just HOUSES are at play within a text that’s explicitly hostile towards astrologies philosophy.
There are also other interesting details, like western culture having too much emphasis on “ego”, the Hellenistic emphasis on angles are symptomatic of that which is sort of handled much better in modern astrology. Breaking things apart, it doesn’t change anything but it gives more insight. Even in terms of fate/determinism; i do think it’s helpful to be mindful/present to be able to recognize something like accidentally falling into a Cadent Hole where 12th shadow can overtake an individual or collective in its either obvious or nuanced ways. Or, you could use astrological magic and curse enemies.. 🧚♂️
Hopefully some of the “history was made up by white devils to suppress the truth” conspiracy theories popped up with posting this when that subject came up recently with the lawsuit against Netflix.
Keep up on the good content.
I have something.
Egyptian astrology is highly misrepresented in history…it’s first …in my research
This is an educational video, very insightful, however 300bce is not Ancient Kemet. It's a "conquered eygpt" by foreigners. The Hyskos, Hittites, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Europeans, and Arabians will never be Kemet.
Your quest seemed to have jumped over the 25 th dynasty which was the Kushite dynasty to the Saite dynasty as he says when Egypt was re-founded...So the 25th dynasty had nothing to contribute.. ? I detect some basis .....
Really interesting "non"-accusation, you post less than 1 hour after Chris posted this video and the entire video is 5.5 hours long. Might want to listen to the whole thing before you start "detecting" conclusions 🤪
@@madja279 Yes, you are correct. The Kushite dynasty..along with ancient Khemet (Egypt) has been a great interest of mine for a number of years as astrology. So I was eager for this Podcast..I will later continue to listen being that it is very long..I also remembered that I have his book..Egypt & The Limits Of Hellenism. I picked up in 2017... Since he is not a astrologer but more of a historian. I feel he will help connect the dots here ;since the contribution of the ancient Egyptians in astrology has been murky at best...When I was in High school many years ago..my early world history teacher was from Greece..she brought in much information about the connections of ancient Egypt & Greece. Including that ancient Egypt was a African civilaztion ;she made a great impact on me..for she was very passionate about this connection...Thier is basis in Egyptology about the 25th dynasty & it's importance in the overhaul connection to ancient Egyptian history ..which is beginning to change esp with the contributions of Prof Stuart Tyson Smith..a Egyptologist & Nubiologistat at UC Santa Barbra..
This video was excellent. I recently got your Hellenistic astrology book, I’ve just barely begun it. Thanks for the excellent contributions to human understanding.
4:44:44 Why can't they have divine origins? What is wrong with them having divine origins?
Chris " deep dive" Brenan
Wow C.B. goes hard af 🔥💪💯
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