Parkland Trauma Room One Reunion
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- Опубліковано 16 гру 2013
- The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza presented "Parkland Hospital: Trauma Room One Reunion" on September 24, 2013. The program featured Dr. Ronald C. Jones and Dr. Robert N. McClelland, two of the physicians who contributed to President John F. Kennedy's treatment in Trauma Room One, and-less than 48 hours later-tried to save the life of the accused assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald. Dr. Jones was the chief surgery resident in Parkland Memorial Hospital's emergency room on November 22, 1963. Dr. McClelland was an instructor in surgery at the time, and he assisted in the surgery of Texas Governor John Connally. Moderator was WFAA-TV's award-winning anchor John McCaa. To see related films, photos, documents and oral histories from The Sixth Floor Museum's collection, visit our online collections database (emuseum.jfk.org).
If people look back at this interview in 50 years, they will be struck by the humility, civility and humanity of three gentlemen bred of the 20th century.
I agree
I had the honor of working with Dr Jones for close to 20 years, until his retirement, and he was a total class act, in addition to being a great surgeon.
That's how people of that era (i.e., our grandparents) were raised and conducted themselves. Polite, courteous, and respectful to others. Wish we had more of that today.
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I was fortunate enough to interview and correspond with the vast majority of the Parkland team in 1992-1995. A few years later, I had the honor of introducing Dr. Ron Jones at a research conference in Dallas. Of all the interviews I did, these two, along with Dr. Charles Crenshaw, made the most consistent statements and were far more forthcoming than most. Dr. Jones chooses his words very carefully, but those three physicians consistently, over multiple interviews, gave the exact same statements and I never found any inconsistency in what any of them said.
Dr. Jones seems like a company man, he is very careful of his wording and was probably threatened.
RIP Dr. Robert McClelland, a distinguished doctor, and an honest man who lived through extraordinary historical events. May his memory, and his memories live on.
the host definitely had an agenda. presenting fake picture and trying to force dr. mcclelland to agree with him.
He believes there was also a grassy knoll shooter...pure BS and a gullible fool.
Maybe you are the fool. He was there and saw the evidence. Dr. Greenshaw and dr. Perry also said frontal shots.
@@stephenbrown7545 Having emergency medical training myself and having seen gunshot victims in the ER, I can attest a doctor is more than astute enough to discern entrance and exit wounds. Armchair "doctors" such as yourself are the true fools. You like all the others of the same mindset weren't there and have only your assumptions yet espouse that the real doctors are wrong. Assumptions aren't evidence based. JFK's bedside attendance holding a retractor supplies this MD with firstand knowledge. BIG difference. Only a fool doesn't know the difference.
@@bestoutcomes Yawn.
What a great interviewer he lets the guests speak and he lets the audience speak really a great platform for learning about history great job
Yes, agree. Quite different to others who interrupt answers and prompt with suggestions .... like Oprah. She is one of the worst interviewers. This medical discussion is well done.
These men were part of history! It’s so great to hear it from people who were actually there! God bless these Drs!
The feeling of being powerless of not being able to save the president must of been a heart rendering day for these then young skilled doctors who led exemplary lives in their professions and personal as well
Wonderful doctors...also a wonderful interviewer.. he asked specific questions, was articulate, and didn't interrupt .. thank-you for this most interesting video.
That's John McCaa (Mack*Kay) interviewing. He recently retired as an esteemed news anchor for WFAA, channel 8 news in Dallas. I've always been a fan of his along with co-anchor, Gloria Campos.
The only thing that bugged me was his "thinking" face. The lower half of his expression makes me cringe for some reason
@@dickfitswell3437 Yea he comes off as very pretentious.
I don't like his pitting one doctor against there other.
Dr. McClelland has told his story many times and it has always been consistent and precise.
Unfortunately, the Zapruter film refutes this in that the blowback of brain matter is propelled forward and not backward. So I say either Dr. McClelland memory fails him or he is big into conspiracies.
Indeed. He may be wrong, but he is honest.
@@carlmcdonald8744 . He hasn't considered the possibility of an explosive frangible round from Agent Hickey's AR-15. No one did.
@@jamesbarlow6423 this one is hogwash as well. Two pieces of evidence proves this. One, 90 witnesses and not one testified that they saw an agent standing in follow-up car at time of shooting. Two, a picture after Kennedy was first hit shows the back up car. At this point Mrs. Kennedy knows something is wrong and has reacted and is holding Jack by the arm. You can see the follow-up car, there is no one with a weapon at that time. I could say three, but conspiracy theorists would just say an agent is just covering for his own but Clint Hill said it wasn't an agent.
@@carlmcdonald8744 . Wrong. 11 witnesses said they saw agent standing in followup car at time of shooting, 7 of them Secret Service agents. The agent in charge of the detail, in the lead car, saw the agent and said "at first I thought he'd fired."
Jean Hill, curbside, said she thought "agents were shooting back." Hickey was standing momentarily.
Two railroad workers on the overpass said they saw at least one shot "that seemed to come from inside the motorcade." At least 10 witnesses smelled gunpowder at ground level.
Excellent interview. Also, amazing how sharp and lucid both physicians are in describing the smallest of details even at their ages.
That is because it is an event they'd never seen before. They'll never forget it.
And yet the don't agree 100%
@@carlmcdonald8744 That is typica of people in general, when witnessing, for example, a shocking accident--you getconsiderable differences of opinion a to what they saw.
@@curbozerboomer1773 I know. But conspiracy theorists want to hand pick their witnesses as long as they agree to their conspiracy. You almost have to determine which witnesses are more reliable and in better position and then compare all those witness statements to see what a majority of them believe
@@carlmcdonald8744 Yes, and unfortunately, McClelland states he was standing above Kennedy looking down into the big hole in his head - which was "low on the back of his head". Huh?
"Back and to the left" was the deciding factor, it seems. And apparently he didn't buy the shirt fibres evidence. Too flimsy for him, I guess.
One of the best shows on this topic. Actual witnesses and PROFESSIONAL DOCTORS can't get better than that! GOOD JOB!
I wonder how many are aware that Kennedy had his Back Brace wrapped so tightly and down to around his both thighs, that after back/throat shot, he physically couldn’t fall out of the way of the fatal shot.
So aside from open top vehicles..the poor man was essentially “braced into” a target position.
Amazing to think how different would history been if he didn’t have such a bad back.
You are exactly right. First of all JFK had surgery on his Lumbar Spine in'53 that literally made him inflexible. Also, he hurt his back June 5th of'63 with a woman( not Jackie) so bad he had to tie his corset much tighter. the man had no mobility for The Crossfire that killed him.
Vern and Val, you are both exactly right. A few days before, he feel into the swimming pool, while chasing a woman, thus, he had the steel back brace. Has he not chased the woman, he wouldn’t have had on that severe brace, and could have been on floor of the car.
Did anyone hear that Mrs Kennedy had a part of Pres Kennedys skull in her hand n that she handed it to one of the surgeons? I listened to an interview stating this.
thanks
@@lindasanford3899 yes true
These men witnessed and were part of history.
John Mcaa is fantastic. Just a wonderful newsman ❤
Maybe, but HOW could he say that "most of us" have considered that the Warren Report was legit? It was flawed (and politically based) from the VERY START!!
"It was a pretty athletic bullet"
I laughed out loud on that one liner
Dick, Hi I also laughed hard starting at 12:00 when they were talking about the trauma room was the size of a master bedroom closet. And they said little larger than that, and Dr, Jones said "Depends on where you live maybe it is that size ! That was funny too. I thought.
@@sonnycorleone2602 He needs to work on his delievery and timing.
I drove a medic rig for 18 years. One man stuck a .22 pistol in his mouth pointing up towards his brain. He clearly did not want to live. We transported him to the hospital while taking his vitals and attending to him. He was conscious, lucid and coherent. We even carried on a normal conversation with him. He seemed fine and the prospects seemed miraculously positive.
The bullet caromed off his palate, traveled down thru his chest, and ended up in his hip.
We found out later that…he died.
Bullets are oftentimes “magical.”
Sherriff Riccochet
I believe Dr McClellan. It’s hard to argue with a dropped cerebellum......
@tomlavelle8518 there is a pretty simple explanation. Have you ever seen the color autopsy photo of jfk on his back and the photo is looking straight down on the top of his head. It appears with all the hair and blood and brain matter that’s flowing down to the back of the head due to gravity that there is a wound to the back of the head, ( it really does look like it, have a look at the photo) but when they cleaned him off and got the hair out of the way, it was clear the back of the head was intact, as clearly can be seen in the clear enhanced zapruder film. Also jthere’s a good show by nova in the 80’s called who shot president Kennedy. They took mcclelland and a few other doctors to the national archives to view the photos, after seeing the photos he said, “i said that I thought perhaps part of the cerebellum was missing, and that shows even how a trained observer can make an error in a time of urgency”.
@@stewartj3407The Zapruder film shows the back of the head blown out?
But those Doctors then, were strongly controlled by what their superiors weretell7ng them to write on the written records and witness' memories..
@@stewartj3407 You're looking at two different sets of pics. I know the one you described, and you clearly almost see toward the right eye socket. And there's the Dr's gloved fingers holding open a piece of skull. That was Parkland. And compare Parkland pics with the Bethesda pics..used in the W.C. and it's clear they're two different rear heads. Even the hairline and hair is different. And they don't show JFK's face in those W.C. pics. The ones where you see JFK'S body and face, are the real ones.
@@robertafierro5592 Yes, at Bethesda only one Doctor was allowed to write notes, and they went missing. The other was irritated that he had to write from memory later on, and both had Dulles blowing smoke from his cigar into their faces whilst performing the autopsy.
Great interview. Great interviewer and 2 great doctors. Even if the doctors differ on same aspects of the assassination, you can see there is tremendous respect for each other.
Very well stated
Yes they have respect, but what I take from it is even though they slightly disagree, Dr. Jones at first said and thought it too was an Entrance wound, and later after being persuaded that it could be exit, he bought into that possibility. My Question is why in any common sense world would people supposedly on a fact finding mission be trying to tell the doctor he is wrong and it could be this or that unless they already knew what outcome they were after. It just tells me that Jones is persuadable and Robert is not. He is sure that massive wound is an exit as common sense would dictate.
This interviewer is beyond outstanding. What great, probing questions...well done
Completely agree.
John McCaa is a class act and a top notch journalist.
Two outstanding doctors who are super eloquent, cooperative and very reflective. Real gifts to us all.
Real gift for tin foil hatted dumbass ;-)
Programs like this earn the respect of the people that come with questions. Thank you Six floor museum.
YOU ARE A MENACE TO AMERICA.
@@oneandatwo Why do you say that?
@Eugene Cam warren commission. More fiction than any fairytale
@jinkapalooka - ya have no facts
@oneandANTIFA - thanks for NOT speaking for America .... thats mighty klan of ya
Brilliant interview. Two decent and honest doctors pulling no punches and articulating their thoughts on that terrible day in Dallas in 1963 extremely well. Great interviewer. Excellent questions and he let them speak without interruption. I've been to Dallas. Stood at "that" window on the 6th floor of the book depository, and stood behind the grassy knoll. I personally believe the fatal shots came from behind white picket fence and not from the 6th floor. One of life's great mysteries. RIP JFK 22/11/1963
Thank God we have science and evidence to prove what the facts are, not what you think or think what if's.
But we really don’t
@@nyujay2010 Yeah that magic bullet science and evidence was awesome, the trajectory of the bullets, the weight of the brain.
You see science proves facts when done correctly. Almost none of this was handled correctly, it's a good thing people like OP have open minds. Not everything (most aren't) is a conspiracy but everything about the JFK assassination screams it.
@@nyujay2010 I feel like theres some confusion in this country between actual science n what comes out of the mouths of scientists…
@@nyujay2010 What facts are you talking about?
I remember precisely where I was when I found out the news. I can see where the bus was parked in relation to the school. I can still feel the heaviness in my heart when my memory visits that time.
John McCaa is a fabulous guy and interviewer. I've never seen him before ..and those two Dr's were amazing men as well.
I’ve never seen the interviewer before but I think he is brilliant.
what a great interview - thank you
Go John. Excellent interview all around.
May I say RIP to the good Dr Robert McClelland, and all the good doctors who participated in the aftermath of the Presidents death thank you and God bless 🙌 🙏 you all
Brilliant host ,great interview
Thank you. Makes tear up. My father was stationed at Amarillo AFB, Texas. In the fifth grade. Our science teacher went from room to room shouting , The President has bee shot!” Everyone went to the playground. So many were crying. Appreciate the interview.
Karen Hodges your account teared me up. Best wishes from Scotland.xx
I was in 3rd grade, playing at recess, we were all called into the building, told what had happened and sent home. I watched the TV coverage for the next several days. I believe LBJ had it done.
I was on third grade. They announced it over the PA system and they sent us home. I walked home and my mother was crying. Then we watched the special coverage all night. No CNN then. Later that night Newsday newspaper printed a special color edition and it was delivered to all the homes in the area. They kept putting a big photo of president Kennedy on all the channels which started to scare me and I remember being afraid to go to sleep. I remember our Thanksgiving holiday was very somber that year. Never forget those memories.
Excellent. This video ought to have 20 million views.
Absolutely fascinating presentation with both doctors recollecting in specific detail the events that unfolded in Trauma Room 1...amazing to hear. Equally fascinating are the differences of opinion expressed between the two regarding the wounds and their level of respect toward each other. Thank you for posting this!
" its been 50 years and I am still alive"
I LOVE HIM and glad he is.
he's a jackass he maid a joke to get away from the question
@@jayjaym8186 I agree! He's not too subtle, that one.
This is an EXCELLENT documentary .. UA-cam at it's best!
It was good to hear from these two Doctors.
Rob w they're lying about the throat wound. Pressured to change their story. Their first account of what they saw was correct. It was never proven later to be an exit wound. The author of that lie, Arlen Spector is said to have dropped the facade in his later years. I can't even watch these doctors lie. They've flushed their credibility but I can't blame them for wanting to stay alive
What dignified, intelligent Men, God Bless them for telling the Truth. Great job interviewing them by the gentleman who asked the questions. Incredible event.
John McCaa did a great interview here. Thank you, John.
Thank you for sharing. This is so important to continue the discussion. Thank you again for all you do for our country.
Thanks for this program. It's so important to capture this history from original sources.
I agree!
This is a great interview with good eyewitness reporting!
Remember this day very well! Glued to the television throughout the whole ordeal. So sad.
Excellent moderator/ interviewer. Makes for a compelling discussion!
As a former trauma ER nurse, I can tell you there is NEVER enough space in the trauma/resuscitation room. And considering when this happened, the size of that room is impressive. The interview is well done, thank you.
Great interviewer. Keeping things moving but letting the guests speak.
"You hear enough from journalists. They yak a lot". Ain't that the truth! I like this guy!
Amen, truest words spoken in this video.
Agreed. He was an outstanding moderator. He didn’t make it about himself.
Thank you to this thoughtful and well-informed interviewer of Dr Jones and Dr mcclelland.
What a wonderful interview! These guys are incredible, calm, fact driven and certainly a great inspiration to the future generations of doctors.
Like Lincoln, JFK's head wound was mortal. They made a valiant effort, but the president was gone at 12:30PM with that head shot. He was in agonal breathing and there was no hope when he got to Parkland. I still always marvel at the fact that both Lincoln and JFK ignored warnings about assassination from the people who were supposed to keep them safe. Lincoln had a death wish. His calvary could have kept him safe, but he shooed them away. JFK refused any measures to mitigate an assassination attempt. Just unbelievable.
i have watched this a couple of times… such a great interview
I can't remember what I ate yesterday. These old boys have great recollection
Getting an MD is essentially an incredible test of memory. Thinking is secondary, but important. I've known many MDs that are not great thinkers.
If you had been present in Trauma Room No. 1 on 11/22/63 you would remember every detail.
Well, they replayed those events in their minds countless times. That cements one’s memory.
Amazing doctors and gentlemen.
FANTASTIC INTERVIEW !!!
This interviewer was excellent the way he led the forum and the questions he received from the audience. Very well done and I believe that these drs really were clear on their experiences and they were very helpful with the information and answers to the questions posed to them. These drs are truly professional and very forthcoming with their consistency even years later. They definitely were very open and honest and didn’t float whacked out theories.
AMAZING these 2 doctors are 60 years after this act... most of the doctors are gone... that were there... that day God bless them
This is a great interview. Thanks for posting.
Great interview! 👍
Very perfect moderator. Great job. Perfect
The 2 Drs were very good. It would be hard to remember every detail. My husband is dead too. But no bulletin took him. Thank you very much for these 2 Drs talking to us
I still believe there was another person ready to kill President Kennedy
excellent presentation John
A powerful man's life was cut short. A well liked woman lost much more for years to come.
And the country was probably lied to aka not a free country maybe
very well said Doctor Mclellan
I spent 4 hrs with Dr McClellan on the 50th anniversary. Amazing.
Excellent interview - thank you.
Thanks for listening
Excellent interview!
God bless doctors, me dad is a physician and surgeon who is fab and gear at what he's achieved.
These two gentlemen are medical doctors, very intelligent doctors and I feel that they are very truthful and did their best that traumatic day to save our President. The sad part is that JFK was injured so bad that no doctors could have saved his life. When brain matter is destroyed and just falls out they can do nothing and they knew it when that happened which is why they didn't do heart massage on the President. It would have been cruel and senseless to do that after seeing his brain destroyed. Thank You for sharing this. Listening to them answers some of my many questions.
Great interview!!!
Correct and I’m pleased we are taking my concerns seriously. Many were discounted and that’s troubling given all I’m learning & experiencing.
They’re work,They’re word everything has been second guessed,Called liars,They’re reputations questioned but they still come across as humble,Down to earth doctors with extraordinary careers. God bless them.
This is the best comment here. I agree %100! God bless these men. Integrity isnt very common anymore...these men epitomize the word.
fact of the matter is McClelland thought otherwise then what is stated mostly by Jones here.
too bad about McClelland's glaring gaps of logic, caused by catching the CT virus. What a shame.
I so wish a follow-up question of "Were the pictures you were shown included in the extant autopsy pictures in the National Archives?" It's known that the official photographer did indeed take such photos but the fact that that same photographer immediately disowned what was claimed as being his work declared they were absolutely not his upon seeing them!
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Excellent and Outstanding!!!
Great interview
Two elderly statesmen. Respect and admiration.
Wrong definition of “statesman.”
Two lovely intelligent gentlemen!
Great interview conducted by the moderator and each doctor.
Interesting post. Excellent interview, by an honest man. Very rare!
Great classy gentlemenly discussion on both sides. Very polite, educated talk. Only wish Doctor Crenshaw was still living for this discussion. Would of loved to hear his feedback thought's too. I have read a few articles on him. Thank you for upload. This upload should have many more views.
Crenshaw did not have the respect of his peers..they thought he had a few mental quirks!
Great interview! Both the guests and host are superb.
I've seen these doctors before and am always impressed. But big kudos to the interviewer. He kept it flowing with good questions yet let the doctors do their thing. He never tried to make himself the center of this event. Excellent job Sir.
John McCaa, well done!
It's interesting what the host says at the start about our children and grandchildren not having the opportunity to hear first hand testimony regarding the Kennedy assassination one day soon... sad but true... just like The Titanic sinking, soon all the surviving witnesses from Nov. 22, 1963 will have passed on and all we'll have is footage and interviews, so I am all for getting as many of these people on record as possible... and as often as possible because one day it's all we will have........ and once again, thank you for the fascinating uploads ~Kelly Hope.
The interviewer wanted to get all the information possible from the living witnesses. Within the next few years, there will not be that chance.
So true. I wish I’d asked my grandparents many more questions.
Kelly Hope true statement. I was in Dallas that day as a 4 year old. I saw all the people and was afraid. He was dead by the time I got home from my pediatrician. Now I’m 61
Kelly , I hope you find answers to all the questions you had surrounding this event. I was 7 when this happened & the teachers sent us home from school. got home & my grand mother was on the couch watch the news reports on this crying. I sat down next to her & watched with her. Growing up my parents NEVER believed the Warren Report. So there was a burning desire to find out what happened that day. I've read a bunch of books / saw many documentaries but there is ONE Video that was released that answered all my questions. The video follows a detective working thru crime scene using detailed Ballistic analysis along with all the other testimony & facts from that day. Its called " JFK The Smoking Gun " . That detective does a great job doing the analysis of what happened & who fired that fatal head shot / why it happened & why we our in this state of confusion about this ! Awesome video worth the price / time to find it & see it. I have watched it over 8 times & now I know what truly happened on that day & why our government has covered up the evidence. You have got to see this video I guarantee you will not be disappointed !
That was brilliant. What's the name of that fantastic host?
No hyperbole.
Classy, humble, dignified, credible men, including the moderator.
I like the moderator very professional and engaging.
Colonel Whitman VA chief of staff before the Navy had ships. And he was and still is a good man. Great surgeon. I was first one allowed holistic treatments and such with the Col. As nothing else would work patient hospitalized two years. Dying. He walked out. And still alive 31 years later. Beat the cancer beat the dialysis...all when I woke up in America
That was a different era in a different country. There were no Democrats or Republicans that day. There were no people that were political or non-political. There were Americans. And we ranged in age from toddlers to very old people. And the children know about it. And knew it was very sad. And a very bad thing. JFK was our President. Of all of us. All media was sad. Walter Cronkite cried. He could hardly talk.
We all cried.
I miss my country.
So true. If Trump or Biden were assassinated millions of US citizens would actually be glad. So sad that our once great country is so pathetic today.
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Oh, that's not true. Unfortunately (or, maybe fortunately) when someone is killed, we forget about the bad, elevate the good. But people have taken out ads in the paper that day accused him of treason. He was met at the airport with protesters holding confederate flags, which was a protest against him, even the "umbrella man" was actually a man protesting his policies. I will give you this, it has gotten dramatically worse, but let's not act like everybody loved, in fact, there are been several people who have been called out over the years for their immediate response being celebration. People were just classy enough to keep a lot of that crap to themselves back then.
Thank you for sharing!
excellent interviewer
dr mcClland is a top notch doctor and a good man.hes not a sell out
DR. McClland was a good doctor, however, he does in fact embellish his partcipatory efforts. He's not even mentioned in other doctor's reviews and conduct. He's not even mentioned by the nurses.
THAT'S because of the conspiracy.
He's actually dead wrong. Look at the Zapruder film. Clearly the massive hole is NOT low and in the back. He's just dead wrong.
As long as he says what you want to hear, he's a good man.
@@robsash8991 -Are you serious? Dr. McClelland stood 18 inches away and looked into the headwound for some 10 minutes with a flashlight. There is no possible way he's wrong since he is supported by some 40 witnesses-most are medical professionals...
Very good interviews. The Sixth Floor Museum always has some of the best and respectful interviews and meetings regarding the President's shooting.
Except for the two secret service agents and the writer of their book - that was awful. Look at the reviews of that book on amazon....
@@hal7ter what was the title of the book Emma. Thanks.x
@@janeyd5280 The Kennedy Detail by Gerald Blaine. Secret Service expert Vince Palamara thoroughly debunks it in his book Survivor's Guilt.
BALONEY!!!
nice polite interview...real gents
Good interview
This was a very interesting discussion. Thank you for posting this.
Very interesting. All you up and coming interviewers please take note on how to conduct a perfect interview. Let them talk and make constructive follow up questions. Very, very well done!
They were superb guests
Excellent
I have to commend the Sixth Floor Museum for hosting this, and for letting these gentlemen give their accounts and also John McCaa for being willing to ask some critical questions. Too often coverage of this assassination in the media is aimed at shutting down any discussion of the official conclusions. One thing I was puzzled by is both doctors saying they had no problems with the autopsy report, even though they previously said the report's illustrations of Kennedy's head injury did not represent what they saw. That would seem to indicate problems with the autopsy, to put it mildly. Still, a very good discussion.
Plus they thought the neck was an entry wound
"have you seen the back of his head?" Of course NOT...it's not there, it's gone...
thank you for the interview. I found it very interesting and I wish I was there. This whole conversation with them is so interesting and profoundly informative, I thank them for their honesty. it won't be long and the people that were there won't be here for much longer. God bless them!
outstanding!
If these Docs believe that there was a shot from the front I believe THEM
McClellan believed the shot came from the front. Jones believed the doctors at Bethesda who had a bunch of military brass directing that show.
Dr. Robert N. McClelland is a genuine witness.
Fascinating moderator
Importsnt historical interview. And such a terrible tragic loss.
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Deep respect for the dry but very humorous comment about the "athletic bullet".
I think we need to honor our senior voices.
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If it didn't have to end up like CE 399 then I would have thought that a rifle bullet of the sort could very probably cause seven injuries as described.