A grinder is someone who will move the puck onto the other team's side and check players but doesn't go for shots on net. The deck kind of fits as it prioritizes killing over playing the object.
In terms of self heal I saw Grinder as someone who just gets to work and doesn't quit. Which is obviously a personality trait thats important for athletes. The biggest issue for the character is how is this hockey player also a genius engineer. If he was not making enough money as an athlete he could get a job in RnD
@@PillarOfWamuu a lot of geniuses dont care about the money, but about the fun and thrill of it. You can see it a lot in the programmer and hacker sphere, where people just do it as a little game and for the fun of it. It stops being fun for them, the moment some else tries to direct them and their skills. Big example: Pirate Software, he worked for blizzard and the American energy system, he could have made stacks of money very quickly, but instead he moved on to streaming and indie game dev. So, in my opinion, that "hidden genius trait" is what makes him more unique and believable, similar to how Hoxton is just a cruel bastard.
Tinfoil hat time: I'm convinced that the Duke is an alien, not only because of how much he drinks but how much he knows, also, "art thief/art historian" is a great cover for an immortal being, " where'd you get this priceless artifact?", "oh! I just went into a place and took it! Yeah! That's the ticket! I have a taste for finer things and I stole it! It's definitely not a cool thing I've kept in my basement for the last 600 years or anything! Don't think about it too much!"
i like duke because i just think he's funny. also, i don't know why, but he'll randomly scream "THE HORRORS!" during assaults and i have no clue what provokes that voiceline.
6:45 you raise a good point here I think a lot of fans (and even sometimes the devs) lost sight of. The payday gang are not heroes. They are greedy pieces of shit who will shoot anyone for a stack of bills. Sometimes the plot itself seems to lose sight of this, especially in payday 2, but I really liked the darker tones of PDTH because of it (even if I think the gameplay of PD2 is overall better). In PD2 no mercy was retrofitted to be the whole Kotaru and Bain and magic Book and all that shit, but I really liked in PDTH how No Mercy was just the gang willing to shoot up a hospital to sell a sick man’s blood as a potential bio-weapon. (And the Easter egg tie in that they may have inadvertently caused Left 4 Dead by breaking the sick man’s quarantine)
Agreed, No Mercy in PDTH along with like every other classic heist in PDTH hits that tone so much better than in PD2. PD2 is a better game for sure, but PDTH had a much better atmosphere
I agree that it sometimes feels like even the devs forget that, but I'd still argue a LOT of the forgetfulness as a whole of that fact lies primarily on the fandom for not being able to separate the concept of the Payday gang being the protagonists and also being villains. The whole Kataru plot really tries to lean outside of that, but at the end of the day when you really get down to it? The only reason the Payday gang even knows about them, let alone combats them is because Kataru tried to fuck with them. There's not actually much indication that the gang specifically has any feelings about Kataru's whole deal beyond the fact that they tried to use the gang, and then tried to fuck them over. The game definitely tries to skirt more roundly around just how bad the gang really is, but people's perception of them is mostly self made as the result of seemingly being unable to perceive bad guys having a problem with even worse guys that tried to screw them over. Granted, on the extreme end of their scale, the gang absolutely counts as terrorists in multiple countries, but even that's at least a step below world domination and that has to be where people get the wrong perception of the gang. The fact that they're technically punching up makes people forget the fact that they're still mass murderers and literal nuclear terrorists (twice over even, I believe)
i think a running theme is untapped potential. most characters just have voicelines, perk decks, a paragraph of backstory, and trailers to give them personality, and it's not enough to get attached beyond aesthetics. i think Jimmy's voice acting is the most compelling in the game, but the reason i love him is because he has so much character in Hardcore Henry and his portrayal here is very faithful. stuff like the web series is important because there just isn't much room for exploring the characters with the structure of the Payday games, so they need to make sure anyone they introduce either gets fleshed out elsewhere or comes from a franchise which has already done that
Payday in honestly the franchise with the most untapped potential I've ever seen, such a fantastic concept and characters and everytime Overkill hits gold they just drop it and go 180 on another direction entirely, it's frustrating
Gotta say, the original Wolf from PDTH was perfect. His interactions and voice had that certain charm to it. It's just sad to see, that we have lost it thanks to the drama that occurred within the original team.
Absolutely agreed. The original Wolf was scared shitless of specials, just him screaming "BUUULDOOOZEEEER!" on top of high lungs gave so much personality, it was just perfect. Current Wolf is some kind of freaking crazy-ish edgelord, like almost completely opposite of OG Wolf, and that kills me inside.
I'm always so happy to see anyone acknowledging PDTH, it's by far one of the most underrated games EVER. Wolf is such an exceptional character in the game, because you can really tell he's a complete fish out of water, going from a normal salaryman to a criminal, hence why all the screaming, despite all the adrenaline kicking in killing cops, dude isn't having a good time with how scared he is of the specials, it's great and I never thought of Wolf to be this "he's such a twisted fucking cyclepath..." angle he had after PDTH, ah well.
@@BerryDeLajt Me too man. It'll always be my eternal favorite co-op game of all time, every time I manage to convince friends to play it with me that have never played it before they always have a great time and walk away surprised no one talks about it, what I wouldn't have done for it to have gotten at least another year or two of content until they moved on to Payday 2... Nothing will ever beat that fantastic campy heisting movie feel that PDTH has.
honestly jacket would probably be my hardest character to rate for payday characters on one hand he's jacket, one of the most iconic characters in all of gaming imo and the way they let him have voicelines while also not breaking his character trait of not really talking in a perfect way that makes him feel more sociopathic than he already is by nature is probably one of the smartest decisions for a crossover character in all of media but on the other hand he's jacket, a very story driven character in a game where he can't really have any story based around him since he doesn't talk leaving him as kind of just the dude that has a chicken mask and uses a tape recorder to speak if you don't already know his backstory from hotline miami and even if you do that's where his character development ends, he's a mass murderer of the russian mafia that listens to ghosts and schizophrenia phones that for some reason decided to start robbing banks and pmc hideouts if they added a story to him like bain/the dentist had connections to 50 blessings somehow and used them to make him raid/steal maybe it'd make more sense for him to be there but it'd also make no sense hotline or paydaywise, however since they've just left him with nothing he's kinda just the character of jacket it doesn't feel like it's hotline miami jacket, my headcannon is that payday 2 jacket is just like a fan from hm2 who's actually fully insane and is fully adopting what he thinks jacket would do but there's also some glaring issues with that he's 100% a high tier character in at least the top 10 but at the end of the day, jacket is an amazing character in an amazing game but they both feel like puzzle pieces that just can't match up no matter what
The current headcanon of many is that Jacket was transported into Payday 2 by the nuke and for whatever reason joined the Payday gang. It's also believed that Wolf recruited Jacket.
Generally, it's accepted that Wolf came in contact with Jacket during the initial Hotline Miami Heist for the dentist (and before Jacket was added, one of the favors was implied to be jacket killing a bunch of mobsters). When Jacket decided to join the payday gang, he had Wolf to vouch for him. Also if you find a Jacket player, they're more likely to be a roleplayer running sociopath
The one thing that ruins a lot of the characters for me, is their Safe House and "Player Tip" trivia about the heisters. A lot of them were tacked on afterthoughts that didn't expand the character. Dragan to me, was wasted potential as the Butcher contracted him out to help the Payday gang. There was some mystery surrounding those two and that couldve cemented more exciting story lines involving them. In the Safe House, hes doing push ups and talks about working out
My thoughts on some of the cast... Wolf: Though unlikely to come up, it would be interesting to see Wolf's family brought up as part of the narrative. Pearl: I've yet to play Payday 3, so I can't give a good opinion on Pearl. That said, I feel like it would've been more fitting if we got the return of that sniper girl that nobody remembers from the web series to be in Pearl's place. Jimmy: Reminds me that I need to watch Hardcore Henry. Rust: One thing that I didn't like about Rust is that there isn't much in the way of explaining why he betrayed the MC outside of money. I know it's a strange thing to critique given the theme of Payday, but still. Would've at least been cool if there was some unique dialogue if you select Rust for The Biker Heist that could explain his reason for betrayal more. I mean, it seems to have taken some sort of toll on him if Prison Nightmare's anything to go off of. Sangres: I feel like it'd be interesting to see some more cartel focused heists should Sangres return. Cartels are infamous for being some of the most brutal people you can come across. Perhaps that could be played off of. Duke: Easily my favorite heister next to Chains. I love how modest he is and his backstory is amazing. Ethan & Hila: I honestly don't mind Ethan & Hila. The idea of a content creator pretty much being forced into a career in organized crime with little to no experience is a cool idea. I know the VA ain't great, but I try to justify it as just part of the "inexperienced heister" schtick they have. Is it a good excuse? Probably not, but it's how I see it.
Duke's always been my #1 so I'm happy to add some more to his awesomeness: -Total gentleman thief. He's incredibly affluent and well-read. Almost all of his voice lines in-heist are references to literature and historical events. -Steals for the thrill and the art of it; he is already fabulously wealthy before joining Payday Gang, and in fact only did so for the Kataru mystery (his FBI files denote surprise regarding his joining the gang, given his normal crimes are so far from the Payday gang's M.O.) -The comment about Stoic implying that he is actually a bit mad on the inside, is actually sort of *opposite* to the truth. I don't remember if this is official canon or just widely-accepted fanon or even the first place I heard this from, but it's implied that Duke uses whiskey to numb not only the pain of gunshots but the horrors of murder. He despises getting his hands dirty, and really does only go along with it out of necessity to get to the bottom of the Kataru mystery. As a result, you're actually not too far off in calling him a stealth-only heister. I desperately hope that Duke returns in Payday 3 but *not* as a heister; I hope he comes back as a wealthy art dealer and a contractor for the gang. Especially in an Elephant-type role, where he would reward keeping things clean.
I actually love the idea of Duke being a contractor. Would make sense lore-wise too. He protected what needed protecting. He's not after the money but the antics. Makes sense
It's funny that you mention how Duke is a more refined character but has that insanity with Stoic: I personally think that Duke is essentially putting on a facade. That yes he is an intelligent character but when the going gets tough he lets the mask slip. When bullets start flying and he takes a few sips from the flask he stops caring about being the refined art lover and all his voice lines carry this perfect amount of "I am goddamn sick of this shit" energy. He sounds like the perfect "one bad day" character and in a way that makes him all the more terrifying. You can imagine Duke being a guy you share a few words with while in line at the grocery store, and the fact this guy murders legions of police as his day job while wearing the mask of a respectful "stoic" man is what makes him such a great heister.
Only thing I know about bonnie, lore wise in terms of why she's in the gang, is because: 1 - she gave info to the crew for the hoxton's revenge job 2 - I guess she is capable enough as a heister so they kept her Its my absolute favourite heister and thats all she really is in the gang for, sad and its almost impossible she will come back in Payday 3, but yeah Sydney however feels like she has zero purpose other than: 1 - I cause chaos, I impressed the gang during their heist so they took me 2 - I make masks
it's kinda impressive that she do that as australian, being violent psychopath criminal, getting weird gun from a country with semi-strict gun control(HK416*C* is not widely available to civvies even in USA), cause enough mayhem to be noticed it's like she hitchhike her way into being legend and crew pick her up as muscle mask thing feels like an afterthought just because Sydney is art-orientex
kind of a missed opportunity, considering how they made Sydney's deal with medicine thanks to her actress, it's weird they never made her the gang's personal medic
I am a Dallas main, I have been playing him since 2014 and I can tell you he changed drastically in Payday 3. In Payday 2 he was charismatic, confident, always level-headed and low-key cocky. And you could feel it and hear it in his voice. Now in Payday 3 he just feels angry and grumpy, which I do not like at all I might add.
Chains is my favorite character. Damion Poitier is a cool guy. Had the pleasure of meeting him in person. Signed a Chains mask for me. He does have the advantage of being an actor, albeit not a big one, to carry his performance in the games and live action work. He portrayed Thanos at one point in the MCU!
Fun fact about Togo Igawa: he voices a Japanese character in Thomas the Tank Engine. Hiro was voiced in full english and is a stark contrast to Jiro in many ways.
There was and maybe still is so much potential for some PD2 heisters to become contractors in PD3. For example, Jiro returning to Japan or starting his own Syndicate (he does have the notoriety and connections) and contracting Payday gang for an overseas venture. If the gang does go international at one point, then I think that the stage is set with all these international heisters. On the topic of Joy, is it not heavily implied that Joy was the one who actually hacked crime net for Locke, and he brought her in? I think there is a storyline there, where Joy's expertise as a hacker could become a very important pivotal change the gang needs in a more technologically advanced world. Where she becomes someone coordinating the heist in real time, helping with hacks and letting her disrupt the police or help cover our tracks. I think the out of heist world and gang functionality is something that needs seriously bringing more up to speed.
I love that “making the other heisters into contractors” idea!!! It feels perfect as a way to divvy up heists to different regions or storylines and a way to make them more fleshed out characters in their own right while not making them just “another heister.”
Another cool feature about Wolf that I don't see people talk about is that he has unique voice lines for calling Hoxton in between assault waves where he gives Hoxton nicknames. It's a very cool little detail and shows how he can be calm when not being shot at, but the second the assault wave starts he shouts all of his lines frantically
Everyone and their mother has said it now, but I'd love to see Duke return as a contractor- as with the other old boys, by the time PD3 takes place his field days are behind him, but he could easily be the gang's avenue into the kind of relic hunting The Dentist has us do before, even if it doesn’t lead to another secret.
Every Duke fan, myself included wants Duke in PD3 PD3 takes place in NYC, Duke went to NYC and got a museum in it, everyone says it, he has to either be a contractor or maybe a heister, we need Duke
I agree with Pearl, her mask design feels like it doesn't take advantage of her background. It'd be interesting to see it as something Art-Deco inspired, a balaclava or makeshift mask since she never was apart of the gang till recently or maybe hammy with it being mobster inspired. Instead we get a regular looking mask, which I think is disappointing.
The H3H3 pack is bad for the reasons you said, but also even more! - The Airbow was added right at the peak of the Crossbow Meta (if anyone remembers that) and there was this real feeling at the time that every DLC was going to have a weapon better than the last in it. - The pack adds two whole characters instead of just one, which has never happened before. It makes them twice as much a sore thumb as someone like John Wick. - The pack released about the time when H3H3s online perception sort of turned downward. - H3H3 put out a video of them playing PAYDAY to promote the Collab, and it was painfully obvious it was their first time touching it and everyone flamed them. - The Tag Team perk deck is a fun idea, but has always underperformed from the day it was added to this very day. It's a shame, because I feel like there is a universe out there where this was done more tastefully and with more self awareness and isn't just a really weird embarrassing footnote about the game.
When I heard "get your pitchforks" during the Jacket section, I thought you were going to be one of those people who puts him straight into the dumpster tier, but was pleasantly surprised to get your completely fair take. I pretty much agree with just about everything you said regarding him, as well as his placement. Impressive work, considering I love Jacket like you love Jimmy. Side note, you talked in one of the segments about doing heister themed builds, and I kind of think that could be a great idea for some challenge runs in the same vein as the TF2 runs you've been doing.
As a dragan main and as a croat myself high b tier is respectable although personally I would place him between chains and clover. Respect for main core gang members, but then I would put him next to them. Even 1 croat said in payday subreddit that dragan would be more appreciated if people understood what was he saying in native language and all balkans agreed with him including myself. When I first got the dlc and being my main heister I was shocked and had big smile when I heard his voice lines cuz that is literally slang what we use daily. Dragan is 2nd balkan character I witnessed in gaming, 1st one was ofc niko from gta 4 and it was unfortunatelly ruinned and everyone in balkan felt disappointed cuz voice acting was terrible when he was talking in native language cuz it didn't sound at all how we would say cuz voice actor was american. Aslo speaking of dragomir it's nice to see that almir and dragomir are friends together irl and most likely almir was the one which introcued him in the game cuz he was talking on stream how they talked in dms and asked him does he want to be in his game etc. Plus dragomir itself before he became actor and voice actor he was bank robber and he was in jail then after he somehow became actor and moved to sweden.
I hope they bring back Houston with maybe some stealth heist, since that seemed to be the role he was meant to fill in the group. I would love if they gave him a new mask and had him take the piss at Hoxton's "I brought my own" line after whining about Houston taking up his persona.
Y'know the comment about "A Dragan Build" and roleplaying heisters brought to mind something I don't think I've seen a video on. I know there's steam guides for it but, there's not really a video on the cast's "Canon/Signature" loadouts. Might be worth exploring for people wanting to really get attached to their favourite characters, especially since it's very hard to parse which weapons belong to who since there's just so many now.
Oh yeah, I'm a Sokol main, and I build his loadouts with an emphasis on Russian/European weapons. It's a lot of fun, especially since the AK variants are actually really decent rifles.
I mean... Duke is in New York as far as we know. If Payday makes it through this year we have every reason to believe that the lore guy comes back for a swing.
honestly i reckon Eric Etibari could come back as Dallas with how Overkill have been on the backfoot for a while now. the fans want him back, and that could be one of the ways starbreeze brings back some faith
I'm a little sad you left off the tier-list with the what-ifs of Bain, Locke and Shade, while forgetting to mention VLAD! Vlad is like top tier contractor material to me; he is like a laugh a minute, and I like that he gets both smaller and bigger heists where he participates in PD2. Payday 3 kinda loses that over-the-top with him, which I understand the decision for though, regardless of the state that game is in right now. I also wonder if Slavic players get a kick out of Vlad in the same way that I do.
As a slav myself (and also sharing the same name as him), I think it's a bit weird how he's supposed to be ukrainian, but when any slavic stereotypes with him are present, those are mostly russian (like "rise like a f-ing sputnik" or when he sings "kalinka"). Of course it could be attributed that he likely grew up in USSR/with mostly russian culture, but still, feels a bit weird (also, according to wiki, it says that initially he was planned to be russian, but was changed to ukrainian during development, so it's even weirder why do that, if seemingly it doesn't really change his character much). Also I think some possible interaction between him and Sokol could've been interesting, how it would look like, but I don't think there was any at any point in the game?
I completely understand the hate for Rust but I LOVE everything about Rust, I dont know why. But the voice-lines the story hell even the mask I love him so much! the perk deck while being bad is fun Imo.
I feel like jacket is one of the most underated charicters. Hes by far the greatest crossover charicter ever because he's a conpletely different characters from his hotline miami counterpart. It's just genius to make a crossover character a not the charicter from the ip they're from, but to make it a charicter that acts like them instead. I get that his line are repetitive but concept and storywise he's genius. I also am biased because the hotline miami games are some kf my favorite games ever
Jacket's Voice Lines or should i say the lack off is my absolute favourite in pd2. Only reason i ever bought any Hotline Miami stuff just so i was able to play him lol.
If we somehow get another hotline Miami crossover (I doubt it considering the franchise is done now) I think a good way to get around the whole “character that can’t speak” problem is to just use a different hotline Miami character. As much as people love Jacket, myself included, the hotline Miami fan base also loves a lot of the other characters. I reckon people would be just as happy if we got biker in the game for example. You could actually make Hotline Miami’s inclusion in the Payday story make more sense by adding biker as biker is the only playable character in the Hotline Miami franchise that is never explicitly said to die at the end. It’s possible he leaves Miami at the end of his story and managed to escape the nuke. Then they can just confirm the theory that the Jacket you see in Payday 2 is just a Jacket copycat that happen to also be very skilled and everything makes sense I think.
So it may have changed, but the version of Payday 2 you can get off of Humble Bundle as a steam key includes Scarface's pack, as of September 2023 (when I got it)
My mate picked rust as her first heister and still plays him a lot just because she thought it’d be funny playing as the old man heister. I didn’t know all that much about Ron Perlman and she had never heard of him, but we’re now both caught up on the perlman lore and have years worth of inside jokes about him. The fact that he clearly seemed to be a bit tired and uninterested with the role and didn’t come back to record new lines makes him even funnier for us. We still qoute “GIMME SOME F*CKING DRuGS!” to each other whenever we need healing in a game.
as one of the 6 bonnie mains remaining, she is done so well its insane that i dont see anyone talking about her and the massive amount of hate she got on reveal just didnt make sense to me at all (also i fucken love her pager stuff)
Joy is my favorite because of her character and her voice lines in Payday 2 as well as her being a gamer. I haven’t found her voice annoying, I quite like it. Her fit is also quite good in both games, but her simplistic hoodie has a charm to it.
8 months late, I could see some of the older, or less popular potentially characters coming back as contractors. Jiro as a contractor would make a lot of sense for something Yakuza based. I also feel like the Yakuza park deck synergized best with the aced skill that gave you higher damage. The lower your health was, and you're starting health was not more than 30% your maximum. Yeah, it definitely wasn't great, but it was also one of the earlier ones. If I remember correctly. Stoic hadn't come out yet. And until leech, stoic was kind of the king of survivability.
...I don't think he should be in the Payday Gang in 3, but I think it'd be kinda cool and a bit funny if Kknowley had a lore cameo as someone trying to piece together the history of the gang.
Hey, just wanted to put my two cents I really think that Jiro speaking only japanese is absolutely a good thing. The character being bilingual would make him english+, essentially. Idk, I’m saying that as a natively french speaker. English speakers don’t necessarily realize that their norms and culture are imposed on everyone. Having subtitles to Jiro’s lines would solve all the problems, and leave Jiro as a proud and loud voice of diverse culture. I’m mostly just grossly explaining my thoughts. But that sounds good to me. Oh and, no, people can’t just change the language settings. Payday never had non-english voice acting. Even if they did, it’d just alienate all other languages from the already very english community. If we all have the same version and actors, and use subtitles, we can all be synchronized and be solid as a community, and appreciate everyone else’s cultures and languages. I don’t want to sound over the top, but that leads me to an idea. Imagine if you could change the characters skin colour in the settings, to match your own culture. That’d be hella wrong, right?? Same thing with that. If you got subtitles, then purposely changing a character’s language to another is just, cultural washing. Ouch… this became a lot more of a hot take than I anticipated lmao
Considering all the characters in payday 2 to ditch, to get rid of a character based purely on popularity is 100% what i'd expect the devs to do at this point. "We have 2 podcasters but let's get rid of the biker from our bank robbing game."
payday 3 idea for Houston, with DLC two being named "boys in blue" maybe he went undercover as a police officer incase the payday gang needed an inside man in the police. and maybe the heist revolves around the gang dressing up as officers to steal some case files and of course, money, gold, and guns from the police evidence locker.
To be honest the moment I picked Bonnie when I looked for a character to play after booting the game up for the first time I never played any other character once.
don't tell the lisence holders but im gonna let you guys in on a little secret. you can still get the scarface character pack if you buy the payday 2 legacy colection on humble bundle because their keys are for some reason still including it.
Out of all the heisters wolf and dragan are my favorite non collab heisters because they both have such good personalities and for collabs scarface/tony montana is my favorite heister of all of them because im a huge fan of scarface
Even just with a random or a half-competent bot, a good player can turn Tag Team into a very very strong deck. I think it had the #1 spot for a medic/ team healer type of deck until Leech was added. I love it on my heavy sniper build. Graze kills proc the vape pen's effects, so you rack up crazy uptime and resistance with it.
Maybe they needed to just switch Grinder and Maniac's abilities for flavour. Grinder should've been a violent teamwork deck and Maniac should've been the OG coked up T-1000.
This is more my thoughts really but I always felt that Jiro was supposed be Kiryu Kazuma from the yakazu/like a dragon series. But thats more my thoughts then anything else.
watching from near the start right now, will likely edit my comment later, but I will say I enjoyed Joy's performance in PD2 and i liked playing as her. I do respect your opinion and she didn't mixed with you. with dallas and wolf, i completely understand. Chains i absolutely love and on my own tier list, he is with Hox. They are the highlight of the games for me. pearl... from what little i played before finding payday 3... overhyped, undercooked, though that's just for me and i respect others for really enjoying the game. Kknowley, you are a truly amazing in this and i love your challenges and videos of law, knowledge and everything. Keep it up, man. it's why i subscribed. commentary is top notch. love it as for the rest of the heisters, i have to agree with all besides maybe john wick and jiro. Jiro i find really interesting and unique. his design feels very close to how i imagine a yakuza would dress and his denouement shows both honor and understand of how the world works, which fits with him being the oldest. I love him and would put him in a mid way between S and A... a A+ or S- . his aesthetic to me feels so faithful towards how his backstory and background go about it and makes him feel really good, even if his story was never finished and his son was never found. really hope he returns in payday 3 and there's a whole story about getting kendo to see his father, get past their differences... As for John wick, i feel his lines are very fitting for what he is, a movie actor and a sort of spy type guy... i haven't seen the movies, so i am just basing it off his trailer.. i'd bump him to B due to his design fitting his style but the lack of a proper mask, and instead shades... while suiting the character, doesn't feel like a heist look. he does deliver some of his lines well, in my view, but is not as convincing as Chain's voice or hox. I like his design and i think duel wielding is interesting... but, with the downside of more ammo spent and less accuracy, it's tough to really use his perk deck or his style of weapons. it's a Soft B solely due to him being A: a crossover character to promote a film, and B: for his actively good lines that he can deliver well. at least they are better then ethan and hila, though Hila did try to put some passion into the her lines.. so that's something
Unless they retconned it, you do find Kendo in PD2. If I remember correctly he ends up being highly ranked in Murkywater, and you end up coming across him when rescuing Bane from prison.
I said this before in your previous video, but is it possible to nuzlocke payday 2? (You unlock characters if you’ve completed their heist based on when you meet them in the lore) (For those who don’t know a nuzlocke before, watch Theknowley PD2 Pkmn edition video) Rank 0: Deathless & Perkless (Godlike Gamer Heister) Rank 1. Deathless w/o FakeDeath & Joker perk (Lore Accurate Heister) Rank 2. Deathless w/o FakeDeath perk (True Legendary Heister) Rank 3. Deathless (Legendary Undead Heister) Rank 4. 1 Death (insert name here) Rank 5. 2 Deaths (insert name here) Rank 6. 5 Deaths (insert name here) Rank 7. 7 Deaths (insert name here) Rank 8. 10 Deaths (insert name here) Rank 9. 14 Deaths (insert name here) Rank 10. 18 Deaths (insert name here) Rank 11. 21 Deaths (Nuzlocker Commomerate Heister) Please comment below on what to name the other ranks, cuz i suck at naming(according to my friends lol😂) (The only mods that can be used is the General Rng mod and (if there is) a mod where you can respec your perk deck for future use) It may be too late to ask, but is there a video about Deathless in PD2?
actually i second this for the japanese community of payday stance on jiro, but i also ask another thing: do you exist? like, seriously lol, i've never even thought about payday and japan at the same time...even though one of the most famous playable characters IS a japanese character, lmao
Based Joy placement. I know her voice can be very grating, but she is a goofy lady with a busted perk deck and a fun gun. So ultimately I can't be too harsh on somebody who brought so much to the table. (No I am not referring to the Payday 3 table, but it's kind of amusing to think that Joy is hypothetically just one leg of the table for no reason so Im committed to this)
Coming back to this video now that clover is in payday 3 and next dlc we are breaking Houston out if prison much like we did Hoxton is funny as hell to me
The payday devs added a dead man walking(Tony "Scarface" Montana) and two youtubers who shall not be named in to payday 2. Would it be that crazy to see "the legendary mercenary"(Big Boss from the metal gear series) cause there are even stupider things in the payday universe.
They did, but A) Big Boss, nor any of the playable Metal Gear Protagonists are bank robbers or criminals of the type Payday deals in, B) Scarface isn't actually the original afaik, he's just a fan boy named Tony, C) You're more likely to get Solid Snake, or the technically non-specific Snake seen in Smash Bros and now also fortnite
@@denmark1226 well yes it would make no sense with lore or even common sense but would it be cool and bullied out of the game absolutely and yes tony he is just a fan boy of the once alive scarface and h3h3 still doesnt make sense
while i do understand why syndey was low b tier i think she shouldve been a bit higher, i love syndey (mostly cause im also australian) and i think she should get some points for being a good portryall of an australian with an actual australian actor which not many games even bother doing
A grinder is someone who will move the puck onto the other team's side and check players but doesn't go for shots on net. The deck kind of fits as it prioritizes killing over playing the object.
In terms of self heal I saw Grinder as someone who just gets to work and doesn't quit. Which is obviously a personality trait thats important for athletes. The biggest issue for the character is how is this hockey player also a genius engineer. If he was not making enough money as an athlete he could get a job in RnD
In other words, he's your average Battlefield player
@@PillarOfWamuu a lot of geniuses dont care about the money, but about the fun and thrill of it. You can see it a lot in the programmer and hacker sphere, where people just do it as a little game and for the fun of it. It stops being fun for them, the moment some else tries to direct them and their skills. Big example: Pirate Software, he worked for blizzard and the American energy system, he could have made stacks of money very quickly, but instead he moved on to streaming and indie game dev. So, in my opinion, that "hidden genius trait" is what makes him more unique and believable, similar to how Hoxton is just a cruel bastard.
Tinfoil hat time: I'm convinced that the Duke is an alien, not only because of how much he drinks but how much he knows, also, "art thief/art historian" is a great cover for an immortal being, " where'd you get this priceless artifact?", "oh! I just went into a place and took it! Yeah! That's the ticket! I have a taste for finer things and I stole it! It's definitely not a cool thing I've kept in my basement for the last 600 years or anything! Don't think about it too much!"
i like duke because i just think he's funny. also, i don't know why, but he'll randomly scream "THE HORRORS!" during assaults and i have no clue what provokes that voiceline.
As one of seven Rust mains in existence, I appreciate you not putting him in the worst tier.
Rust mains stand up! All eight of us.
Rust goes to S tier for his scream on Birth of Sky
7? 😂😂
Still more than Scarface mains,
Probably
So...I am another main I guess, good to know I am 1 out of 7 in existence.
6:45 you raise a good point here I think a lot of fans (and even sometimes the devs) lost sight of.
The payday gang are not heroes. They are greedy pieces of shit who will shoot anyone for a stack of bills. Sometimes the plot itself seems to lose sight of this, especially in payday 2, but I really liked the darker tones of PDTH because of it (even if I think the gameplay of PD2 is overall better).
In PD2 no mercy was retrofitted to be the whole Kotaru and Bain and magic Book and all that shit, but I really liked in PDTH how No Mercy was just the gang willing to shoot up a hospital to sell a sick man’s blood as a potential bio-weapon. (And the Easter egg tie in that they may have inadvertently caused Left 4 Dead by breaking the sick man’s quarantine)
Agreed, No Mercy in PDTH along with like every other classic heist in PDTH hits that tone so much better than in PD2. PD2 is a better game for sure, but PDTH had a much better atmosphere
I agree that it sometimes feels like even the devs forget that, but I'd still argue a LOT of the forgetfulness as a whole of that fact lies primarily on the fandom for not being able to separate the concept of the Payday gang being the protagonists and also being villains.
The whole Kataru plot really tries to lean outside of that, but at the end of the day when you really get down to it? The only reason the Payday gang even knows about them, let alone combats them is because Kataru tried to fuck with them.
There's not actually much indication that the gang specifically has any feelings about Kataru's whole deal beyond the fact that they tried to use the gang, and then tried to fuck them over.
The game definitely tries to skirt more roundly around just how bad the gang really is, but people's perception of them is mostly self made as the result of seemingly being unable to perceive bad guys having a problem with even worse guys that tried to screw them over.
Granted, on the extreme end of their scale, the gang absolutely counts as terrorists in multiple countries, but even that's at least a step below world domination and that has to be where people get the wrong perception of the gang.
The fact that they're technically punching up makes people forget the fact that they're still mass murderers and literal nuclear terrorists (twice over even, I believe)
i think a running theme is untapped potential. most characters just have voicelines, perk decks, a paragraph of backstory, and trailers to give them personality, and it's not enough to get attached beyond aesthetics. i think Jimmy's voice acting is the most compelling in the game, but the reason i love him is because he has so much character in Hardcore Henry and his portrayal here is very faithful. stuff like the web series is important because there just isn't much room for exploring the characters with the structure of the Payday games, so they need to make sure anyone they introduce either gets fleshed out elsewhere or comes from a franchise which has already done that
Payday in honestly the franchise with the most untapped potential I've ever seen, such a fantastic concept and characters and everytime Overkill hits gold they just drop it and go 180 on another direction entirely, it's frustrating
Gotta say, the original Wolf from PDTH was perfect. His interactions and voice had that certain charm to it. It's just sad to see, that we have lost it thanks to the drama that occurred within the original team.
Absolutely agreed. The original Wolf was scared shitless of specials, just him screaming "BUUULDOOOZEEEER!" on top of high lungs gave so much personality, it was just perfect. Current Wolf is some kind of freaking crazy-ish edgelord, like almost completely opposite of OG Wolf, and that kills me inside.
I'm always so happy to see anyone acknowledging PDTH, it's by far one of the most underrated games EVER. Wolf is such an exceptional character in the game, because you can really tell he's a complete fish out of water, going from a normal salaryman to a criminal, hence why all the screaming, despite all the adrenaline kicking in killing cops, dude isn't having a good time with how scared he is of the specials, it's great and I never thought of Wolf to be this "he's such a twisted fucking cyclepath..." angle he had after PDTH, ah well.
@@arkaua I love PDTH so much.
@@BerryDeLajt Me too man. It'll always be my eternal favorite co-op game of all time, every time I manage to convince friends to play it with me that have never played it before they always have a great time and walk away surprised no one talks about it, what I wouldn't have done for it to have gotten at least another year or two of content until they moved on to Payday 2... Nothing will ever beat that fantastic campy heisting movie feel that PDTH has.
@@arkaua I just love the vibe of the game. I'm so sad nobody cares about it anymore.
honestly jacket would probably be my hardest character to rate for payday characters
on one hand he's jacket, one of the most iconic characters in all of gaming imo and the way they let him have voicelines while also not breaking his character trait of not really talking in a perfect way that makes him feel more sociopathic than he already is by nature is probably one of the smartest decisions for a crossover character in all of media
but on the other hand he's jacket, a very story driven character in a game where he can't really have any story based around him since he doesn't talk leaving him as kind of just the dude that has a chicken mask and uses a tape recorder to speak if you don't already know his backstory from hotline miami and even if you do that's where his character development ends, he's a mass murderer of the russian mafia that listens to ghosts and schizophrenia phones that for some reason decided to start robbing banks and pmc hideouts
if they added a story to him like bain/the dentist had connections to 50 blessings somehow and used them to make him raid/steal maybe it'd make more sense for him to be there but it'd also make no sense hotline or paydaywise, however since they've just left him with nothing he's kinda just the character of jacket it doesn't feel like it's hotline miami jacket, my headcannon is that payday 2 jacket is just like a fan from hm2 who's actually fully insane and is fully adopting what he thinks jacket would do but there's also some glaring issues with that
he's 100% a high tier character in at least the top 10 but at the end of the day, jacket is an amazing character in an amazing game but they both feel like puzzle pieces that just can't match up no matter what
The current headcanon of many is that Jacket was transported into Payday 2 by the nuke and for whatever reason joined the Payday gang. It's also believed that Wolf recruited Jacket.
Generally, it's accepted that Wolf came in contact with Jacket during the initial Hotline Miami Heist for the dentist (and before Jacket was added, one of the favors was implied to be jacket killing a bunch of mobsters). When Jacket decided to join the payday gang, he had Wolf to vouch for him.
Also if you find a Jacket player, they're more likely to be a roleplayer running sociopath
The one thing that ruins a lot of the characters for me, is their Safe House and "Player Tip" trivia about the heisters. A lot of them were tacked on afterthoughts that didn't expand the character. Dragan to me, was wasted potential as the Butcher contracted him out to help the Payday gang. There was some mystery surrounding those two and that couldve cemented more exciting story lines involving them. In the Safe House, hes doing push ups and talks about working out
My thoughts on some of the cast...
Wolf: Though unlikely to come up, it would be interesting to see Wolf's family brought up as part of the narrative.
Pearl: I've yet to play Payday 3, so I can't give a good opinion on Pearl. That said, I feel like it would've been more fitting if we got the return of that sniper girl that nobody remembers from the web series to be in Pearl's place.
Jimmy: Reminds me that I need to watch Hardcore Henry.
Rust: One thing that I didn't like about Rust is that there isn't much in the way of explaining why he betrayed the MC outside of money. I know it's a strange thing to critique given the theme of Payday, but still. Would've at least been cool if there was some unique dialogue if you select Rust for The Biker Heist that could explain his reason for betrayal more. I mean, it seems to have taken some sort of toll on him if Prison Nightmare's anything to go off of.
Sangres: I feel like it'd be interesting to see some more cartel focused heists should Sangres return. Cartels are infamous for being some of the most brutal people you can come across. Perhaps that could be played off of.
Duke: Easily my favorite heister next to Chains. I love how modest he is and his backstory is amazing.
Ethan & Hila: I honestly don't mind Ethan & Hila. The idea of a content creator pretty much being forced into a career in organized crime with little to no experience is a cool idea. I know the VA ain't great, but I try to justify it as just part of the "inexperienced heister" schtick they have. Is it a good excuse? Probably not, but it's how I see it.
Duke's always been my #1 so I'm happy to add some more to his awesomeness:
-Total gentleman thief. He's incredibly affluent and well-read. Almost all of his voice lines in-heist are references to literature and historical events.
-Steals for the thrill and the art of it; he is already fabulously wealthy before joining Payday Gang, and in fact only did so for the Kataru mystery (his FBI files denote surprise regarding his joining the gang, given his normal crimes are so far from the Payday gang's M.O.)
-The comment about Stoic implying that he is actually a bit mad on the inside, is actually sort of *opposite* to the truth. I don't remember if this is official canon or just widely-accepted fanon or even the first place I heard this from, but it's implied that Duke uses whiskey to numb not only the pain of gunshots but the horrors of murder. He despises getting his hands dirty, and really does only go along with it out of necessity to get to the bottom of the Kataru mystery. As a result, you're actually not too far off in calling him a stealth-only heister.
I desperately hope that Duke returns in Payday 3 but *not* as a heister; I hope he comes back as a wealthy art dealer and a contractor for the gang. Especially in an Elephant-type role, where he would reward keeping things clean.
I actually love the idea of Duke being a contractor.
Would make sense lore-wise too. He protected what needed protecting. He's not after the money but the antics.
Makes sense
It's funny that you mention how Duke is a more refined character but has that insanity with Stoic: I personally think that Duke is essentially putting on a facade. That yes he is an intelligent character but when the going gets tough he lets the mask slip. When bullets start flying and he takes a few sips from the flask he stops caring about being the refined art lover and all his voice lines carry this perfect amount of "I am goddamn sick of this shit" energy. He sounds like the perfect "one bad day" character and in a way that makes him all the more terrifying. You can imagine Duke being a guy you share a few words with while in line at the grocery store, and the fact this guy murders legions of police as his day job while wearing the mask of a respectful "stoic" man is what makes him such a great heister.
Only thing I know about bonnie, lore wise in terms of why she's in the gang, is because:
1 - she gave info to the crew for the hoxton's revenge job
2 - I guess she is capable enough as a heister so they kept her
Its my absolute favourite heister and thats all she really is in the gang for, sad and its almost impossible she will come back in Payday 3, but yeah
Sydney however feels like she has zero purpose other than:
1 - I cause chaos, I impressed the gang during their heist so they took me
2 - I make masks
It's true, Hoxton Revenge was part Bonnie (although that's probably got more to do with the timing of her addition!).
it's kinda impressive that she do that as australian, being violent psychopath criminal, getting weird gun from a country with semi-strict gun control(HK416*C* is not widely available to civvies even in USA), cause enough mayhem to be noticed
it's like she hitchhike her way into being legend and crew pick her up as muscle
mask thing feels like an afterthought just because Sydney is art-orientex
kind of a missed opportunity, considering how they made Sydney's deal with medicine thanks to her actress, it's weird they never made her the gang's personal medic
I am a Dallas main, I have been playing him since 2014 and I can tell you he changed drastically in Payday 3.
In Payday 2 he was charismatic, confident, always level-headed and low-key cocky. And you could feel it and hear it in his voice.
Now in Payday 3 he just feels angry and grumpy, which I do not like at all I might add.
Chains is my favorite character. Damion Poitier is a cool guy. Had the pleasure of meeting him in person. Signed a Chains mask for me.
He does have the advantage of being an actor, albeit not a big one, to carry his performance in the games and live action work. He portrayed Thanos at one point in the MCU!
Fun fact: the "Lion's Roar" AR or rather the VHS-2 from the Dragan dlc is actually one of the Croatia's Armed Forces service rifles.
And PD2 was its first appearance in media
I feel like the moto here is either "They had potential" or "They were underutilized"
that intro has me howling. The state payday 3 is in is truly so depressing
Fun fact about Togo Igawa: he voices a Japanese character in Thomas the Tank Engine. Hiro was voiced in full english and is a stark contrast to Jiro in many ways.
There was and maybe still is so much potential for some PD2 heisters to become contractors in PD3. For example, Jiro returning to Japan or starting his own Syndicate (he does have the notoriety and connections) and contracting Payday gang for an overseas venture. If the gang does go international at one point, then I think that the stage is set with all these international heisters.
On the topic of Joy, is it not heavily implied that Joy was the one who actually hacked crime net for Locke, and he brought her in? I think there is a storyline there, where Joy's expertise as a hacker could become a very important pivotal change the gang needs in a more technologically advanced world. Where she becomes someone coordinating the heist in real time, helping with hacks and letting her disrupt the police or help cover our tracks. I think the out of heist world and gang functionality is something that needs seriously bringing more up to speed.
I love that “making the other heisters into contractors” idea!!! It feels perfect as a way to divvy up heists to different regions or storylines and a way to make them more fleshed out characters in their own right while not making them just “another heister.”
Let's be honest, the only reason Duke isn't top of S tier is because Kknowley is British.
Another cool feature about Wolf that I don't see people talk about is that he has unique voice lines for calling Hoxton in between assault waves where he gives Hoxton nicknames. It's a very cool little detail and shows how he can be calm when not being shot at, but the second the assault wave starts he shouts all of his lines frantically
el hoxo, hoxtonite, hox, hoxilicious...
pdth has engrained this into my mind
Everyone and their mother has said it now, but I'd love to see Duke return as a contractor- as with the other old boys, by the time PD3 takes place his field days are behind him, but he could easily be the gang's avenue into the kind of relic hunting The Dentist has us do before, even if it doesn’t lead to another secret.
Every Duke fan, myself included wants Duke in PD3
PD3 takes place in NYC, Duke went to NYC and got a museum in it, everyone says it, he has to either be a contractor or maybe a heister, we need Duke
I agree with Pearl, her mask design feels like it doesn't take advantage of her background. It'd be interesting to see it as something Art-Deco inspired, a balaclava or makeshift mask since she never was apart of the gang till recently or maybe hammy with it being mobster inspired. Instead we get a regular looking mask, which I think is disappointing.
18:16 mom get the camera, Knowley put my meme in his video
hey i feel like i recognize you, did you make the mashup of the Postal 2 map music with Somebody That I Used To Know?
@@a_man_of_many_screams ye
@@a.keeper rad
Duke in S tier where he belongs. I feel like he'd be the perfect contractor.
The H3H3 pack is bad for the reasons you said, but also even more!
- The Airbow was added right at the peak of the Crossbow Meta (if anyone remembers that) and there was this real feeling at the time that every DLC was going to have a weapon better than the last in it.
- The pack adds two whole characters instead of just one, which has never happened before. It makes them twice as much a sore thumb as someone like John Wick.
- The pack released about the time when H3H3s online perception sort of turned downward.
- H3H3 put out a video of them playing PAYDAY to promote the Collab, and it was painfully obvious it was their first time touching it and everyone flamed them.
- The Tag Team perk deck is a fun idea, but has always underperformed from the day it was added to this very day.
It's a shame, because I feel like there is a universe out there where this was done more tastefully and with more self awareness and isn't just a really weird embarrassing footnote about the game.
When I heard "get your pitchforks" during the Jacket section, I thought you were going to be one of those people who puts him straight into the dumpster tier, but was pleasantly surprised to get your completely fair take. I pretty much agree with just about everything you said regarding him, as well as his placement. Impressive work, considering I love Jacket like you love Jimmy.
Side note, you talked in one of the segments about doing heister themed builds, and I kind of think that could be a great idea for some challenge runs in the same vein as the TF2 runs you've been doing.
As a dragan main and as a croat myself high b tier is respectable although personally I would place him between chains and clover. Respect for main core gang members, but then I would put him next to them. Even 1 croat said in payday subreddit that dragan would be more appreciated if people understood what was he saying in native language and all balkans agreed with him including myself. When I first got the dlc and being my main heister I was shocked and had big smile when I heard his voice lines cuz that is literally slang what we use daily. Dragan is 2nd balkan character I witnessed in gaming, 1st one was ofc niko from gta 4 and it was unfortunatelly ruinned and everyone in balkan felt disappointed cuz voice acting was terrible when he was talking in native language cuz it didn't sound at all how we would say cuz voice actor was american.
Aslo speaking of dragomir it's nice to see that almir and dragomir are friends together irl and most likely almir was the one which introcued him in the game cuz he was talking on stream how they talked in dms and asked him does he want to be in his game etc. Plus dragomir itself before he became actor and voice actor he was bank robber and he was in jail then after he somehow became actor and moved to sweden.
I hope they bring back Houston with maybe some stealth heist, since that seemed to be the role he was meant to fill in the group. I would love if they gave him a new mask and had him take the piss at Hoxton's "I brought my own" line after whining about Houston taking up his persona.
of course it's a great video when you see your boy Jimmy in STL
"18 hours ago"
Y'know the comment about "A Dragan Build" and roleplaying heisters brought to mind something I don't think I've seen a video on. I know there's steam guides for it but, there's not really a video on the cast's "Canon/Signature" loadouts. Might be worth exploring for people wanting to really get attached to their favourite characters, especially since it's very hard to parse which weapons belong to who since there's just so many now.
Oh yeah, I'm a Sokol main, and I build his loadouts with an emphasis on Russian/European weapons. It's a lot of fun, especially since the AK variants are actually really decent rifles.
I mean... Duke is in New York as far as we know. If Payday makes it through this year we have every reason to believe that the lore guy comes back for a swing.
I hope he returns purely as a contractor.
3:14 PAYDAY 3 Dallas doesn't have enough "AAAAAAAAAAA! I NEEEEEED A MEDIC BAAAAAG! I NEEEEEED ONEEEEE!"
honestly i reckon Eric Etibari could come back as Dallas with how Overkill have been on the backfoot for a while now. the fans want him back, and that could be one of the ways starbreeze brings back some faith
I'm a little sad you left off the tier-list with the what-ifs of Bain, Locke and Shade, while forgetting to mention VLAD!
Vlad is like top tier contractor material to me; he is like a laugh a minute, and I like that he gets both smaller and bigger heists where he participates in PD2.
Payday 3 kinda loses that over-the-top with him, which I understand the decision for though, regardless of the state that game is in right now.
I also wonder if Slavic players get a kick out of Vlad in the same way that I do.
Is he a member of the gang though? He's a top tier character, regardless!
As a slav myself (and also sharing the same name as him), I think it's a bit weird how he's supposed to be ukrainian, but when any slavic stereotypes with him are present, those are mostly russian (like "rise like a f-ing sputnik" or when he sings "kalinka"). Of course it could be attributed that he likely grew up in USSR/with mostly russian culture, but still, feels a bit weird (also, according to wiki, it says that initially he was planned to be russian, but was changed to ukrainian during development, so it's even weirder why do that, if seemingly it doesn't really change his character much).
Also I think some possible interaction between him and Sokol could've been interesting, how it would look like, but I don't think there was any at any point in the game?
I completely understand the hate for Rust but I LOVE everything about Rust, I dont know why. But the voice-lines the story hell even the mask I love him so much! the perk deck while being bad is fun Imo.
I feel like jacket is one of the most underated charicters. Hes by far the greatest crossover charicter ever because he's a conpletely different characters from his hotline miami counterpart. It's just genius to make a crossover character a not the charicter from the ip they're from, but to make it a charicter that acts like them instead. I get that his line are repetitive but concept and storywise he's genius. I also am biased because the hotline miami games are some kf my favorite games ever
Jacket's Voice Lines or should i say the lack off is my absolute favourite in pd2. Only reason i ever bought any Hotline Miami stuff just so i was able to play him lol.
We all know Dallas's medic bag and pickle Chains are S tier.
You forgot mentioning that Chains had a different va in pdth, he was much more gruff and military ish
If we somehow get another hotline Miami crossover (I doubt it considering the franchise is done now) I think a good way to get around the whole “character that can’t speak” problem is to just use a different hotline Miami character. As much as people love Jacket, myself included, the hotline Miami fan base also loves a lot of the other characters. I reckon people would be just as happy if we got biker in the game for example. You could actually make Hotline Miami’s inclusion in the Payday story make more sense by adding biker as biker is the only playable character in the Hotline Miami franchise that is never explicitly said to die at the end. It’s possible he leaves Miami at the end of his story and managed to escape the nuke. Then they can just confirm the theory that the Jacket you see in Payday 2 is just a Jacket copycat that happen to also be very skilled and everything makes sense I think.
So it may have changed, but the version of Payday 2 you can get off of Humble Bundle as a steam key includes Scarface's pack, as of September 2023 (when I got it)
As a fellow Jimmy, it nice too see my boys jim and Jimmy at the top of the list
I love that a lot of Dragan lines are in Croatian , it always makes me chuckle
i’m glad to see that lobotomy kaisen has managed to worm itself into the payday community with this thumbnail
11:15 "that ones always iconic" i see what you did there. EYE-conic
My mate picked rust as her first heister and still plays him a lot just because she thought it’d be funny playing as the old man heister. I didn’t know all that much about Ron Perlman and she had never heard of him, but we’re now both caught up on the perlman lore and have years worth of inside jokes about him. The fact that he clearly seemed to be a bit tired and uninterested with the role and didn’t come back to record new lines makes him even funnier for us. We still qoute “GIMME SOME F*CKING DRuGS!” to each other whenever we need healing in a game.
I think there was some conspiracy with Bodhi and Sydney liking each other, something something safe house
as one of the 6 bonnie mains remaining, she is done so well its insane that i dont see anyone talking about her and the massive amount of hate she got on reveal just didnt make sense to me at all (also i fucken love her pager stuff)
Personal tier list
SSSSSSSSS:
Jacket
A:
Everyone except ethan and hila
Remove from game:
Ethan and hila
Truly an instant like with the honesty that this video was made because of the thumbnail.
Chains is my favourite and anytime I see Damion Poitier in other things I’m always like he that’s chains
Joy is my favorite because of her character and her voice lines in Payday 2 as well as her being a gamer. I haven’t found her voice annoying, I quite like it. Her fit is also quite good in both games, but her simplistic hoodie has a charm to it.
my enjoyment of jimmy increased ten fold after actually watching hardcore henry i see the vision
8 months late, I could see some of the older, or less popular potentially characters coming back as contractors. Jiro as a contractor would make a lot of sense for something Yakuza based. I also feel like the Yakuza park deck synergized best with the aced skill that gave you higher damage. The lower your health was, and you're starting health was not more than 30% your maximum. Yeah, it definitely wasn't great, but it was also one of the earlier ones. If I remember correctly. Stoic hadn't come out yet. And until leech, stoic was kind of the king of survivability.
By far the best thumbnail from your channel.
I still hope payday 3 has a bit where houston has to be broken out of prison and hox give him unrelenting hell for it.
...I don't think he should be in the Payday Gang in 3, but I think it'd be kinda cool and a bit funny if Kknowley had a lore cameo as someone trying to piece together the history of the gang.
Like a contractor or someone who gives out cash and equipment bonuses for completing strange challenges?
"what can you do with any youtuber?" I think you've lost any chance to be in Payday with that one.
You speak the truth. Some people just are sort of there to give the option for players to play as someone else. And I'm glad to see the clover love.
Hey, just wanted to put my two cents
I really think that Jiro speaking only japanese is absolutely a good thing. The character being bilingual would make him english+, essentially.
Idk, I’m saying that as a natively french speaker. English speakers don’t necessarily realize that their norms and culture are imposed on everyone.
Having subtitles to Jiro’s lines would solve all the problems, and leave Jiro as a proud and loud voice of diverse culture.
I’m mostly just grossly explaining my thoughts. But that sounds good to me.
Oh and, no, people can’t just change the language settings. Payday never had non-english voice acting.
Even if they did, it’d just alienate all other languages from the already very english community. If we all have the same version and actors, and use subtitles, we can all be synchronized and be solid as a community, and appreciate everyone else’s cultures and languages.
I don’t want to sound over the top, but that leads me to an idea.
Imagine if you could change the characters skin colour in the settings, to match your own culture. That’d be hella wrong, right??
Same thing with that. If you got subtitles, then purposely changing a character’s language to another is just, cultural washing.
Ouch… this became a lot more of a hot take than I anticipated lmao
Scarface is my handsdown favorite and when I bought payday on pc first thing i did was get a cracked version of the scarface dlc to have him
Considering all the characters in payday 2 to ditch, to get rid of a character based purely on popularity is 100% what i'd expect the devs to do at this point. "We have 2 podcasters but let's get rid of the biker from our bank robbing game."
The John wick pack should have came with a pencil melee
Gotta say I didn't expect someone to say that jacket doesn't have any character development and then I remembered it's not a hotline Miami video..
payday 3 idea for Houston, with DLC two being named "boys in blue" maybe he went undercover as a police officer incase the payday gang needed an inside man in the police. and maybe the heist revolves around the gang dressing up as officers to steal some case files and of course, money, gold, and guns from the police evidence locker.
Clover not becoming a core member sucks. She was my favorite to play as in PAYDAY 2 and it was unfortunate they didn't tap her potential.
I'll take "comments that didn't age well" for $500
(kind of!)
@@yakuzashibe haha... yeah it didn't. Though tbf I didn't expect them to include a new character so soon at the time
@@radium6962 Ah nah, don't blame you. Here's hoping they do right by Clover and Houston
To be honest the moment I picked Bonnie when I looked for a character to play after booting the game up for the first time I never played any other character once.
don't tell the lisence holders but im gonna let you guys in on a little secret.
you can still get the scarface character pack if you buy the payday 2 legacy colection on humble bundle because their keys are for some reason still including it.
Out of all the heisters wolf and dragan are my favorite non collab heisters because they both have such good personalities and for collabs scarface/tony montana is my favorite heister of all of them because im a huge fan of scarface
i remember buying hotline miami 2 just to have jacket in pd2, then i played hotline miami and it became one of my favorite games
One thing good about the H3H3 pack... Tag Team is fun if you and your friends know how to use it right.
Even just with a random or a half-competent bot, a good player can turn Tag Team into a very very strong deck. I think it had the #1 spot for a medic/ team healer type of deck until Leech was added. I love it on my heavy sniper build. Graze kills proc the vape pen's effects, so you rack up crazy uptime and resistance with it.
@@SelectBard133 I like running armor and shotgun builds with it using dragons breath to clear rooms to save allies low on health
1:05:13 THIS IS UP COMEING FOTAGE FROM THE SCOUT CHALLENGE RUN I KNOW IT
shhhhh
Dallas could have been a stck figure with no face, and he still would have been the best character, as long as he had his medic bag lines
Maybe they needed to just switch Grinder and Maniac's abilities for flavour. Grinder should've been a violent teamwork deck and Maniac should've been the OG coked up T-1000.
Hell yeah! THE DUKE stays ON TOP!
That's why he's The Duke
13:27 his gun keeps changing between a G3 and an FAL and it’s really disturbing me lol
My headcanon is that stealth Duke is sober Duke, and loud Duke is drunk Duke.
This is more my thoughts really but I always felt that Jiro was supposed be Kiryu Kazuma from the yakazu/like a dragon series. But thats more my thoughts then anything else.
I always liked Houston being my favorite (other than jacket) it’s sad to see how he feel to the side due to hoxton
Narrative symmetry aged like fine wine
watching from near the start right now, will likely edit my comment later, but I will say I enjoyed Joy's performance in PD2 and i liked playing as her. I do respect your opinion and she didn't mixed with you. with dallas and wolf, i completely understand. Chains i absolutely love and on my own tier list, he is with Hox. They are the highlight of the games for me. pearl... from what little i played before finding payday 3... overhyped, undercooked, though that's just for me and i respect others for really enjoying the game. Kknowley, you are a truly amazing in this and i love your challenges and videos of law, knowledge and everything. Keep it up, man. it's why i subscribed. commentary is top notch. love it
as for the rest of the heisters, i have to agree with all besides maybe john wick and jiro. Jiro i find really interesting and unique. his design feels very close to how i imagine a yakuza would dress and his denouement shows both honor and understand of how the world works, which fits with him being the oldest. I love him and would put him in a mid way between S and A... a A+ or S- . his aesthetic to me feels so faithful towards how his backstory and background go about it and makes him feel really good, even if his story was never finished and his son was never found. really hope he returns in payday 3 and there's a whole story about getting kendo to see his father, get past their differences...
As for John wick, i feel his lines are very fitting for what he is, a movie actor and a sort of spy type guy... i haven't seen the movies, so i am just basing it off his trailer.. i'd bump him to B due to his design fitting his style but the lack of a proper mask, and instead shades... while suiting the character, doesn't feel like a heist look. he does deliver some of his lines well, in my view, but is not as convincing as Chain's voice or hox. I like his design and i think duel wielding is interesting... but, with the downside of more ammo spent and less accuracy, it's tough to really use his perk deck or his style of weapons. it's a Soft B solely due to him being A: a crossover character to promote a film, and B: for his actively good lines that he can deliver well. at least they are better then ethan and hila, though Hila did try to put some passion into the her lines.. so that's something
Unless they retconned it, you do find Kendo in PD2. If I remember correctly he ends up being highly ranked in Murkywater, and you end up coming across him when rescuing Bane from prison.
@@tr1f1ght3r Right, i actually forgot about that! thank you for reminding me of that.
Imagine NOT putting Dallas in S. Literally the face of PayDay.
i've been waiting for this video for a long while now
Did overkill change the skill point requirement to 18 for the capstone skills or is it a result of mods?
I said this before in your previous video, but is it possible to nuzlocke payday 2?
(You unlock characters if you’ve completed their heist based on when you meet them in the lore)
(For those who don’t know a nuzlocke before, watch Theknowley PD2 Pkmn edition video)
Rank 0: Deathless & Perkless (Godlike Gamer Heister)
Rank 1. Deathless w/o FakeDeath & Joker perk (Lore Accurate Heister)
Rank 2. Deathless w/o FakeDeath perk (True Legendary Heister)
Rank 3. Deathless (Legendary Undead Heister)
Rank 4. 1 Death (insert name here)
Rank 5. 2 Deaths (insert name here)
Rank 6. 5 Deaths (insert name here)
Rank 7. 7 Deaths (insert name here)
Rank 8. 10 Deaths (insert name here)
Rank 9. 14 Deaths (insert name here)
Rank 10. 18 Deaths (insert name here)
Rank 11. 21 Deaths (Nuzlocker Commomerate Heister)
Please comment below on what to name the other ranks, cuz i suck at naming(according to my friends lol😂)
(The only mods that can be used is the General Rng mod and (if there is) a mod where you can respec your perk deck for future use)
It may be too late to ask, but is there a video about Deathless in PD2?
HOUSTON GANG WHERE YOU AT?
Houston is a pure professional, that's us.
actually i second this for the japanese community of payday stance on jiro, but i also ask another thing: do you exist?
like, seriously lol, i've never even thought about payday and japan at the same time...even though one of the most famous playable characters IS a japanese character, lmao
hoxton is such a peak character on god hes the goat
hockey players ram into each other while skating at max each for fun, no wonder they are tough as nails
Based Joy placement.
I know her voice can be very grating, but she is a goofy lady with a busted perk deck and a fun gun. So ultimately I can't be too harsh on somebody who brought so much to the table.
(No I am not referring to the Payday 3 table, but it's kind of amusing to think that Joy is hypothetically just one leg of the table for no reason so Im committed to this)
I’m hoping to be able to finally play payday 2 of version with my new pc after playing on payday 2 Xbox for the last 4 years.
Coming back to this video now that clover is in payday 3 and next dlc we are breaking Houston out if prison much like we did Hoxton is funny as hell to me
The payday devs added a dead man walking(Tony "Scarface" Montana) and two youtubers who shall not be named in to payday 2. Would it be that crazy to see "the legendary mercenary"(Big Boss from the metal gear series) cause there are even stupider things in the payday universe.
They did, but A) Big Boss, nor any of the playable Metal Gear Protagonists are bank robbers or criminals of the type Payday deals in, B) Scarface isn't actually the original afaik, he's just a fan boy named Tony, C) You're more likely to get Solid Snake, or the technically non-specific Snake seen in Smash Bros and now also fortnite
@@denmark1226 well yes it would make no sense with lore or even common sense but would it be cool and bullied out of the game absolutely and yes tony he is just a fan boy of the once alive scarface and h3h3 still doesnt make sense
Dallas' "f-weasel" always make me smile
while i do understand why syndey was low b tier i think she shouldve been a bit higher, i love syndey (mostly cause im also australian) and i think she should get some points for being a good portryall of an australian with an actual australian actor which not many games even bother doing
Honestly if they add clover in pd3 i might buy the game just for her
knowley is british...
hoxton is british...
hoxton is a bad guy...
knowley likes hoxton...
GUYS HEAR ME OUT
my top 3 would be 3. chains 2. wolf 1. Sydney.
I installed the mini Dallas voicepack in pd2 and it's awesome
what does it change?
@@mieoksyt1305 So you never heard of mini dallas?
@@Chedder_Almighty kind of fresh player (200 hours of having fun with simple mods)
@@mieoksyt1305 around the same play time as well, ua-cam.com/video/tuIIkeIj4Ys/v-deo.htmlsi=u2JMgmTlKVcuEPSb