Ambassador Kevin Rudd on U.S.-China Relations Ahead of the Biden-Xi Meeting

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  • Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
  • NEW YORK, November 14, 2023 - Ahead of the important meeting between U.S. President Joe Biden and Chinese President Xi Jinping this week, renowned Sinologist and Australian Ambassador to the United States, the Hon. Kevin Rudd, chats with Danny Russel, Vice President for International Security and Diplomacy at the Asia Society Policy Institute, about the bilateral relationship, drivers of China's policy decision-making, and what to expect from the meeting. Ambassador Rudd also speaks about the China-Australia relationship in the wake of Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese’s visit to Beijing this month. (51 min., 4 sec.)
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 150

  • @dieppeboon9627
    @dieppeboon9627 6 місяців тому +21

    CPC and PLA should cross the middle more often to tell Taiwan DPP that there is no Real Middle Line , and there will be No Middle Line in the Future...

  • @xiaofengli4426
    @xiaofengli4426 6 місяців тому +21

    Looking back the changes in Chinese millitary activities and buildup, you find that most changes occured when the US increase its actitivities or some provocative change of policies, such as Nancy Pelosi visit to Taiwan, weapon sales to Taiwan and AUKUS. Chinese do best in trading with the world. Any millitary conflict would harm Chinese core interests. The US is the more aggressive side and China is more defensive. As the US publically defines China as the greatese enemy, China just have to grow its millitary capabilities to protect itself. The Chinese navy started fast expansion only after the US started “pivot to Aisa" by moving 60% of its navy force around China.

  • @jianghu8431
    @jianghu8431 6 місяців тому +10

    it laughable that kevin said that australian do not make concession, we can not remember how many phone calls the australain made, and the chineses did not pick up

  • @godzillamothra5983
    @godzillamothra5983 6 місяців тому +54

    These two people live in their own world, which is in la la land. On Gaza issue at least, Chinese position is supported by global south which probably constitute two third of the world. China is not supporting Hamas terrorist activities, what China want is for both warring parties to cease fire and go back to diplomacy. That is sensible demand, unlike what the US want, to let Israel having out of jail free card to commit genocide.

    • @nicholasuloth6530
      @nicholasuloth6530 6 місяців тому

      In western countries large majorities of people support a ceasefire too. Its the governments that are scared of offending the US. You will never hear Kevin make even an implicit criticism of US policy because Australia lives in fear of the US too.

    • @user-ju1qd3ok2g
      @user-ju1qd3ok2g 6 місяців тому

      There is no genocide from Israel. Population in Gaza has doubled in 18 years. Stop spreading your Jew-hate.

  • @bbharatillusion4574
    @bbharatillusion4574 6 місяців тому +13

    What are you saying Kevin? The Aussie government kneeled to China however you spin it.😂

  • @icanmandarin
    @icanmandarin 6 місяців тому +3

    “Chalk and cheese”…once used by Terry Pratchett to describe the distinction between trolls and dwarfs-one of rock, one of odor ;-)

  • @RaMenKau
    @RaMenKau 6 місяців тому +1

    the short comments below show the current state of affairs more accurately than an hour-long interview

  • @deanzaZZR
    @deanzaZZR 6 місяців тому +7

    Mr. Ambassador should suffice. Ambassador Rudd obviously cannot be as candid as he was before he once again joined the Aussie government. One obvious example to illustrate this is when Kevin lists economic challenges of the Chinese economy he neglects to include the tariffs, sanctions and other economic warfare measures of the USA.

  • @zhoubaidinh403
    @zhoubaidinh403 6 місяців тому +20

    Hey Kevin, here in the States, our economic system is not the be all that ends all....inequality out of the wazooo, real wages for the average American still stuck in the 1970s, social security going bankrupt in a few years, 60 millions peeps with no health insurance, no national health care, the majority of peeps living paycheck to paychecks, unprecedented homelessness, incarceration, early deaths from despair, drug addiction and alcoholism whilst the Billionaire class the likes of Trump pays less than 500 dollars/year in taxes...and oh, btw the CCP meanwhile uplifted 800 millions out of poverty, dealt with the property bubble and kept the billionaire class in check....What say you muerfuer....

  • @franzMong
    @franzMong 6 місяців тому +2

    You can see clearly which side are they on, the speaker and the monitor. Good luck. Time will tell.

    • @chriswong9158
      @chriswong9158 Місяць тому

      April 2024 reported China GDP 5.3% compare same time to USA 2.4% and Australia 1.4%.

  • @echozhang4486
    @echozhang4486 6 місяців тому +26

    In due respect to the commentator and Kevin Rudd, you cannot expect Chinese government to have dialogue with a government that cannot keep promise or continue disrespecting Chinese’s core concern. If US continue sending military aircrafts and ships with Allies to China’s doorstep, dialogue not helping the situation. The question is to US why? I found it puzzling

    • @web2yt488
      @web2yt488 6 місяців тому

      Obviously when China stops it's disruptive military rhetoric and activity towards ASEAN region nations and walks back their unethical claims to Taiwan, then you'll see US escalation.

    • @chriswong9158
      @chriswong9158 Місяць тому

      Better question, why is USA want war deliver to their doorstep of China's 1,900 plus ICBM & their allies stocks.

  • @andyy9261
    @andyy9261 6 місяців тому +20

    The correct interpretation about China's economic policy should be, China will be more open compared to previously.
    Will have more cooperation with outside economy.
    But considering about the western economy is seeking for decoupling/de-risking (whatever you name it), China will enhance it's internal economy incentives to continue it's economy growth, but more open cooperation with international communities will still be the main approach.
    We are in the new era for human being as a whole, so many challenges are there, cooperations in all perspectives is something essential rather than optional.

    • @vz6365
      @vz6365 6 місяців тому +2

      wumao

    • @LCCATCX
      @LCCATCX 6 місяців тому

      @@vz6365 another useless comment. If you don't anything useful to contribute, you can always choose to keep your mouth shut.

    • @web2yt488
      @web2yt488 6 місяців тому +1

      That's a gullible take. Surprised anyone would take the Chinese government's words at face value considering the many recent examples of duplicitousness.

    • @turingcs2001
      @turingcs2001 6 місяців тому

      Seriously, you can't tell that this andyy9261 is from the 50-cents army? What sort of native speakers uses 'but considering about...'? @@web2yt488

    • @jamesgarden-dm9bm
      @jamesgarden-dm9bm 6 місяців тому +1

      @@vz6365 a man who said wumao is a wumao

  • @dabYaching
    @dabYaching 6 місяців тому +1

    @25:00 Note: not "about a year in" but only two months into the Biden administration--March 18-19 did Blinken meet with Yang Jiechi.

  • @jeff7009
    @jeff7009 6 місяців тому +7

    it is completely misinterpretation of Xi's meeting with business in APEC. It is more the US businesses wishing to see Xi, not the other way around

  • @robertseaborne5758
    @robertseaborne5758 6 місяців тому +14

    What a surprise that they didn't get around to considering how China might be responding to the US $10 billion worth of weapons now being considered as a gift to boost Taiwan's army.

    • @chriswong9158
      @chriswong9158 Місяць тому

      fyi, that $10 bn worth of weapons is equal to surplus 1980's equipment @ balloon price tag, like tanks, guns, bow and arrows... Look at what US had been sending to Ukraine. Reason Ukraine is loosing.

  • @laraw840
    @laraw840 6 місяців тому +20

    haha...what a load of self-saving narratives from 19:00 onwards...It is the Australian political leaders and enterprises who were eager to visit and made the visit to China and not the other way around...🤭🤭

    • @muchachopicaron
      @muchachopicaron 6 місяців тому +4

      Well that is Kevin for you, mate. He even has a Chinese name - Kewen Lu 😂.

    • @laraw840
      @laraw840 6 місяців тому +11

      I am glad that the new government wise up and made a positive move toward China though. I mean, geographically, Australia is located far from China as well as the traditional centers of global power. Why it agreed to align with others against China baffles me. It simply does not benefit Australia at all. Australia relies on trade and tourism to thrive. It's a very unwise move to be on negative terms with China. Besides, why would China have any interest in Australia other than trading!?! @@muchachopicaron

    • @godzillamothra5983
      @godzillamothra5983 6 місяців тому +1

      One thing is sure, China do want to have better relationship with Australia after few years of icy one, for economic reason. Australia also want businesses with China to return, especially when the world is heading to recession in 2024. I suspect that the UK is wanting the same when they chose David Cameron as new foreign secretary. They, including the US, need China to stave off incoming recession. That's why they have this Biden-Xi meeting. The only one who didn't get the message is the pretty boy in chief in Ottawa. Then again, the pretty boy is probably on his last leg, and uncle sam's hand is up his arse telling him what to speak.

  • @marylaistirland6864
    @marylaistirland6864 6 місяців тому

    who is this anchor?

  • @ed1003
    @ed1003 6 місяців тому +30

    I cannot believe Mr Rudd’s analysis is such shallow and superficial even so he claimed he could read Chinese. He does not have independent views, and very biased. Could he turn back to analyze Australian previous extreme right wing governments. Ask why current Australian left-wing government is so easy to visit China and pleased the Chinese government? Without understanding his government, how do you know Chinese affairs?
    Also, he should stand in front of mirror, look himself, now and 10 years ago, how much he has changed during this period?

    • @albertcadgame8314
      @albertcadgame8314 6 місяців тому +7

      what do you expect ? he is the ambassador to the US, surely he will give sweet talk to US.
      He is saying what the US want to hear. But he don't realized that this has effect on China.
      And China is NOT the bad guy here. In fact China is the hero (sort of) that while rising up China has helped other nations thru' BRI project around the world. Many nations have benefited from BRI.
      When you are talking bad things about a good guy that is doing good things around the world then it is not good, as a human being. You just lost some integrity value.

    • @chriswong9158
      @chriswong9158 Місяць тому

      @@albertcadgame8314 aka butt kiss the American...

  • @karanvaghela1796
    @karanvaghela1796 6 місяців тому +2

    Is it Asia society or china society.

    • @dieppeboon9627
      @dieppeboon9627 6 місяців тому

      Asia Society is Asia. . Brexit means Brexit .. get out ... Asia means India is included ...

  • @antonyfrancis3247
    @antonyfrancis3247 6 місяців тому +1

    In August 2023, Fitch Ratings announced it had downgraded the U.S. to an AA+ from AAA; Moody's Nov 10, 2023 rating Aaa, Outlook - Negative!

  • @detectiveofmoneypolitics
    @detectiveofmoneypolitics 6 місяців тому +3

    Economic investigator Frank G Melbourne Australia is still watching this very informative content cheers Frank as a new subscriber

  • @dieppeboon9627
    @dieppeboon9627 6 місяців тому +2

    BYD just opened a Big Show room in Kazakhstan ... for future sales to Russia through special tax arrangements with Kazakhstan..

  • @stephenlock7236
    @stephenlock7236 6 місяців тому +1

    This conversation is quite glaring with regards to the changing views of KR about China and his accommodations of the US led western narratives about China.

  • @lmyunxlee2005
    @lmyunxlee2005 6 місяців тому +1

    They have taoyun just chinese version tiktok..

  • @shuilong52
    @shuilong52 6 місяців тому +16

    KR lost his statemen intellectualism

  • @antonyfrancis3247
    @antonyfrancis3247 6 місяців тому

    Yellen said her purpose was to make sure the two nations do not engage in “unintended escalatory actions that will be harmful to our overall economic relationship with one another.” For instance, just days before Yellen's visit, Beijing slapped export curbs on chipmaking metals and compounds.

  • @shriprakash3953
    @shriprakash3953 6 місяців тому +1

    The real issue which needs to be explained is what has made the Chinese Communist Party to push back against prominent sectors of private economy. It seems that the potential of the private sector's potential to convert its economic power into support for policies which would further expand the private sector
    in ways that would still not really improve the income and consumption of workers and employees. The urgency to address this issue is emphasized by the inability of economic growth to increase polulation growth, in fact population going down, a major failure of the Opening Up Model of Development. Xi Jing Ping
    wants to arrest any debate on these policy issues wanting to impose his own diktat without worrying about its implications.

  • @dieppeboon9627
    @dieppeboon9627 6 місяців тому +1

    Rumours saying Chinese is ready to co - operate with Wagner group on Syria

  • @lisakong8651
    @lisakong8651 6 місяців тому +6

    TBH listening to PK is a more enlightening & enjoyable experience

  • @ctour12
    @ctour12 5 місяців тому

    Very correct remarks from Kevin, however a possible conflict between USA and China is not going to be direct, but through alliances with waring parties as it happened with WW1 and WW2, I am referring to the Austro-Hungarian empire attack to Serbia for WW1 and the German attack to Poland for WW2.

  • @harrisng3041
    @harrisng3041 6 місяців тому

    🍷🍰

    • @harrisng3041
      @harrisng3041 6 місяців тому

      🐰☕🍰 Xi is a very well respected world leader
      In China and the world.
      China is in good hands.
      The🎉China Government is taking over the world
      in peace making and economic making.
      As for Biden ... , the Biden Regime is falling apart under the attack of
      Donald Trump.
      Harris Ng YM AMEN 🌹🐰🍷👍🇨🇳💰🇷🇺. 👎🇺🇸

  • @antonyfrancis3247
    @antonyfrancis3247 6 місяців тому

    Code word for - foreign circulation lessen = no more purchase of US Treasury bills ( printed $$ )

  • @katejudson8907
    @katejudson8907 6 місяців тому +8

    Home? What a sellout.

  • @user-ug6ct5cv1h
    @user-ug6ct5cv1h 6 місяців тому +1

    ขอบคุณที่สร้างสื่อเเละส่งสื่อเช่นนี้ให้ได้รับทราบกันทั่วโลกเพราะเป็นความละเอียดอ่อนในยุคปัจจุบันที่จะทำอะไรนั้นควรนำไปใช้ให้เกิดประโยชน์สูงสุดด้วยกันทั่วโลกเพื่อสร้างให้ได้ความเสมอภาคทางความเป็นอยู่ของมนุษย์ชาติทั่วโลกรับฟังเพื่อหาบทสรุปด้วยกันทางที่สมบูรณ์แบบถูกต้องตามกฎกติกามารยาทสากลด้วยกันอย่างไม่ปล่อยให้เกิดความขัดแย้งเกิดขึ้นอย่างได้บทสรุปอย่างเป็นธรรมชาติควรแห่งความเป็นคนร่วมโลกด้วยกันอย่างไม่เอาเปรียบผู้ใดอย่างไรก็ตามส่งเสริมสิ่งที่สมควรเหมาะสมนั้นเป็นเรื่องของหน้าที่ของทุกคนทั่วโลกอย่างได้ความเหมาะที่จะได้ความสงบอย่างแท้จริงเกิดขึ้นทั่วโลกเพราะความสงบสุขที่ได้จากความร่วมมือร่วมใจจากทุกคนทั่วโลกนั้นเป็นเรื่องที่ต้องมีกติกาที่ต้องนำมาใช้ด้วยกันทั่วโลกเรื่องของคนเป็นความละเอียดอ่อนที่จะสร้างให้เห็นว่าตัดสินอะไรแล้วต้องให้หลุดพ้นจากทุกปัญหาให้ได้เพราะความไม่เห็นแก่ประโยชน์ส่วนตัวจนเกินไปจะได้ความเหมาะสมสมดุลในทุกเรื่องราวทันทีอย่างไม่ปล่อยให้เกิดสงครามใครคิดทำสงครามผํ้นั้นน่าจะเป็นคนที่เห็นแก่ตัวเพราะคิดจะไปสร้างงานสร้างรายได้ที่มุมอื่นต้องทำตามกฎบ้านเมืองของเขาข้ามเขตได้ด้วยดียิบยื่นน้ำใจจริงมีผลดีต่อโลกข้ามเขตเพื่อยื้อแย่งช่วงชิงลักล้ำคงไม่มีใครบอกว่าใช่คงไม่ยอมเพราะความถูกต้องเป็นเรื่องของมนุษย์ชาติทั่วโลกพึงนำมาเป็นกติกาในการอยํ่ร่วมกับผู้อื่นอย่าปล่อยให้เกิดสงครามเพราะนิสัยคลุกครามก้าวร้าวเพราะความเห็นแก่ตัวตรงนี้อย่าปล่อยให้เกิดขึ้นจนเป็นนิสัยผู้ใหญ่ช่วยชี้เเนะจะเป็นการดีเสมอเท่าเทียมกันทุกชนชาติเลยขอบคุณค่ะ

  • @declanbriody4774
    @declanbriody4774 4 місяці тому

    Omg ireland

  • @lv9657
    @lv9657 6 місяців тому

    Youth unemployment? Are there any youth in your family or living around you? If yes, are these youth working or unemployed (doing nothing productive) or still studying in college?

  • @osos718
    @osos718 6 місяців тому +9

    Kevin always talks with such confidence on topics so deep:) would be curious if we look back to his talk points in 10 years:)

    • @marcwhite6267
      @marcwhite6267 6 місяців тому +7

      He's chiefly correct; all his Harvard talks from 10-12 years ago have - unfortunately - come to fruition.

    • @AZ-hj8ym
      @AZ-hj8ym 6 місяців тому +4

      He got everything wrong. He's all about ideology when China is all about pragmatic.

    • @NoohCee
      @NoohCee 5 місяців тому

      Kevin Rudd is a joke.

  • @dieppeboon9627
    @dieppeboon9627 6 місяців тому

    German auto factories in Xin Jiang is getting ready to export to Russia ...

  • @ratnabahadurgurung9850
    @ratnabahadurgurung9850 6 місяців тому +4

    Great dialogues

  • @asleytamkei4323
    @asleytamkei4323 6 місяців тому

    Armerica to survive,, just needs some competitor? Somewhere? They do have,, natural disasters preparedness. Food and water security,,globally for one human nation concept. E.g. wild fires flash floods etc,, how to lesson the disasters and reduce deaths is key to one human creed and survival against wild forces of nature etc etc!

  • @adindahutabarat_sinolog
    @adindahutabarat_sinolog 6 місяців тому

    😂 37:00

  • @robertprawendowski2850
    @robertprawendowski2850 6 місяців тому

  • @user-vf9it1gz9u
    @user-vf9it1gz9u 6 місяців тому

    For the most part Kevin provided a one-sided Western viewpoint and not a balanced analytical discussion. He sounded more like a politician this time around.

  • @user-ok6re8gv1q
    @user-ok6re8gv1q 3 місяці тому

    china didnt do any change in data policies UNTIL USA forced Taiwan to oass it all the chip making data and production numbers and key clients from Mainland China so that America could drill down on operational data of chinese companies and FORMULATE SANCTIONS for the chinese industries to strangle them. These data were highly sensitive for chinese competitiveness.

  • @asleytamkei4323
    @asleytamkei4323 6 місяців тому

    Chip war,,... on going race,, will it ever stop? Yes or no?

  • @user-xo7kr7zp9z
    @user-xo7kr7zp9z 6 місяців тому

    XI STAR DOING SH*T 12YEEARS GO

  • @tc-fz5qn
    @tc-fz5qn 6 місяців тому +1

    Yep. Kevin sounds very knowledgeable but actually knows very little ! His PhD puts him up with the likes of Condoleezza Rice and other such so called "experts" who are only able to echo each other's second hand or third hand information. No new insights nor fresh perspectives. Same old echo chambers. 😢

    • @andrewwickham4642
      @andrewwickham4642 6 місяців тому

      Kev was twice a hopeless PM here in Australia… Only thing Kevin Rudd worships is the sound of KRudds voice😎

  • @asleytamkei4323
    @asleytamkei4323 6 місяців тому

    What median line between Taiwan and msin land? Imaginary line,, In one China policy, WESTERN Theme INTERFERENCES.

  • @kheuabdouangphrachanh838
    @kheuabdouangphrachanh838 6 місяців тому

    How to stop Maoism Communist expansion to ASEAN via BNI?????how to fix the Chinese debt trap in Laos and how to make Laos independent country?????

  • @antonyfrancis3247
    @antonyfrancis3247 6 місяців тому +1

    United States. The United States boasts both the world's biggest national debt in terms of dollar amount and its largest economy, which resolves to a debt-to GDP ratio of approximately 128.13%.

  • @eIectrostatic
    @eIectrostatic 6 місяців тому +10

    Fireside chat with two neocons...

    • @katejudson8907
      @katejudson8907 6 місяців тому +4

      Never thought Kevin would end up becoming a useful clown, but that's the power of facism for you.

  • @tonywyli
    @tonywyli 6 місяців тому +2

    These two old school think G7 is the whole world.

  • @chriswong9158
    @chriswong9158 Місяць тому

    Today, April 2024, China PRC GDP is 5.8% compare to the rest of the Western World... Even Russia is doing great.
    No State Nation on this plant we call Earth ever keep their GDP continues double digit nor China ever said they can.

  • @british-indian
    @british-indian 6 місяців тому +1

    I missed you dear Kevin 🙏

  • @user-fg8vo2mx9f
    @user-fg8vo2mx9f Місяць тому

    FPF

  • @sakcee
    @sakcee 6 місяців тому

    We should never waiver to defend our values of Freedom, Democracy, Rights of Individual, Freedom of Press, Free Speech and never compromise with those who do not agree with these values.

    • @silafaupaulmeredith7251
      @silafaupaulmeredith7251 6 місяців тому

      What country are you talking about?. Try free speech now in the west and see where that gets you. RT banned. Democracy and values is all a joke in the global south as we see the western double standards. Example look at Ukraine and Israel Gaza conflict. Putin under ICC arrest warrant yet more civilians have died recently in Gaza than 2 years of Ukraine Russia conflict. Tune in to non western media to get what 90% of the world population thinks. China get a ticket and go and see for yourself you will have the shock of your life

  • @trinitiusw6145
    @trinitiusw6145 6 місяців тому +1

    Rudd has found his calling preaching to rudderless sycophants feeding off his verbose. His lovely voice and hollow words just hoard up what little capacity they have to gain any perspective or real understanding.

  • @ioannisdimakis7460
    @ioannisdimakis7460 6 місяців тому +1

    Bla bla bla but with soft sexy voice.And from time to time one Chinese word. Recipe to success.

  • @jochen7393
    @jochen7393 6 місяців тому

    Such a political driven dialogue. How can you not bring in Ukraine and Gaza into the geopolitical equation!! Major changes in the US Government positions due to Ukraine and ME.

  • @dieppeboon9627
    @dieppeboon9627 6 місяців тому +1

    Israel military is in Tibet to support Indian .. that says it all...

  • @frankpalermo3882
    @frankpalermo3882 Місяць тому

    Waste time listening o him

  • @jedics1
    @jedics1 2 місяці тому

    Every time I hear Rudd speak I wish he was our Prime minister especially while having to suffer through the knuckle draggers we have had since him. He speaks with such a clarity you don't see in politics usually.
    The fact that Albo is smart enough to get Rudd working for him is some consolation but it doesn't reduce my disillusionment with the average calibre of those in government.

    • @chriswong9158
      @chriswong9158 Місяць тому

      Make one a "Ambassador" is another mean to send him as far as possible from Government. He was sent USA

  • @desmondho9567
    @desmondho9567 6 місяців тому

    The reasons of the Middle East conflicts is all about oil and gas of the coast of Gaze.

  • @AshikhoDaiLi-gy6sw
    @AshikhoDaiLi-gy6sw 6 місяців тому +1

    PEACE And Development
    Around the World without
    World Wars
    Yours Everlastingly in Peace
    DR . ASHIKHO DAILI
    Founder Switland

  • @DipakBose-ge1hm
    @DipakBose-ge1hm 6 місяців тому

    His face looks puffy. Is he a hard drinker ????

  • @arismei
    @arismei 6 місяців тому +1

    These ppl is Total waste of time worst ever PM of all time sold aus unnecessarily surprised he’s still tried to get some exposure

  • @NoohCee
    @NoohCee 5 місяців тому

    Kevin is a fake Chinese expert.

  • @qunbinxiong4058
    @qunbinxiong4058 6 місяців тому +1

    He can't think outside of the box!!! Nothing new here!!

  • @dieppeboon9627
    @dieppeboon9627 6 місяців тому

    Far East Society would be a Better name..

    • @dieppeboon9627
      @dieppeboon9627 6 місяців тому

      or EAST ASIA SOCIETY ..to contrast with West Asia Society

  • @janakjodhan3322
    @janakjodhan3322 6 місяців тому

    Some BS !

  • @sakcee
    @sakcee 6 місяців тому +1

    US brought China to world, was nice to them, gave them money, jobs and business.

    • @user-uw3kg1uz2d
      @user-uw3kg1uz2d 6 місяців тому

      You don’t know what you are talking about.

  • @chamankhan7396
    @chamankhan7396 6 місяців тому +1

    Fake guys love u china

  • @warso-spt1
    @warso-spt1 6 місяців тому

    There is nothing asian about these fireside chats. Just two neocons comparing notes. Listen to everything they say and believe the opposite 😆

  • @herbertgarcia5287
    @herbertgarcia5287 6 місяців тому

    Talking sheet