The Truth About Public EV Charging Costs Compared to Diesel
Вставка
- Опубліковано 10 вер 2024
- In this video about, ✅ The Truth About Public EV Charging Costs Compared to Diesel
So how much did it cost to drive my Kia e Niro 1,347 miles using JUST public Rapid chargers?
Would it be cheaper than a diesel-fuelled car?
✅ My Octopus referral link where you switch and we both receive £50 credit
share.octopus....
🎬 The UA-cam link to my video on my drive from Abington to Scrabster 313 miles is here
• Did I Break Records? D...
🎬 My video with Jordan from Myenergi is here
• Exploring Myenergi HQ:...
😍 𝐈 𝐇𝐎𝐏𝐄 𝐘𝐎𝐔 𝐆𝐔𝐘𝐒 𝐄𝐍𝐉𝐎𝐘 𝐓𝐇𝐈𝐒!
▶️ If you enjoy this video, please like it and share it.
▶️ Don't forget to subscribe to this channel for more updates.
▶️ Subscribe now: / @jonathanporterfield
⚡️ 𝐂𝐎𝐍𝐍𝐄𝐂𝐓 𝐖𝐈𝐓𝐇 𝐔𝐒:
▶️ You Can Visit My Website: www.eco-cars.net/
🎬 𝐖𝐀𝐓𝐂𝐇 𝐎𝐔𝐑 𝐎𝐓𝐇𝐄𝐑 𝐕𝐈𝐃𝐄𝐎𝐒:
▶️ • Did I Break Records? D...
▶️ • 7 Hours in a Kia E Nir...
▶️ • Pole to Pole in an Ele...
▶️ • 3ti Pop Up Solar EV ch...
▶️ • Driving 'South' to Eve...
🔔 𝐒𝐔𝐁𝐒𝐂𝐑𝐈𝐏𝐓𝐈𝐎𝐍 𝐋𝐈𝐍𝐊:
▶️ / @jonathanporterfield
⚠️ 𝐃𝐈𝐒𝐂𝐋𝐀𝐈𝐌𝐄𝐑: We do not accept any liability for any loss or damage incurred from you acting or not acting as a result of watching any of my publications. You acknowledge that you use the information I provide at your own risk. do your own research.
✖️ 𝐂𝐎𝐏𝐘𝐑𝐈𝐆𝐇𝐓 𝐍𝐎𝐓𝐈𝐂𝐄: This video and my UA-cam channel contain dialog, music, and image that are property of "Jonathan Porterfield Eco Cars" You are authorized to share the video link and channel and embed this video in your website or others as long as a link back to my UA-cam Channel is provided
© Jonathan Porterfield Eco Cars
▶️ 𝐑𝐄𝐋𝐀𝐓𝐄𝐃 𝐊𝐄𝐘𝐖𝐎𝐑𝐃𝐒:- #electricvehicles, #electriccars, #zeroemissions, #evrevolution, #chargingstations, #electricmobility, #futureoftransport, #renewableenergy, #evcommunity, #ecofriendly #evcharging #dieselcars #ecocars #jonathan_porterfield
Please share with your friends and family. Also don't forget to like, subscribe, and hit the notification bell to notify you if I post a new video.
▶️ RELATED TOPICS IN THIS VIDEO:- Public EV Charging Costs Compared to Diesel,Costs Compared to Diesel,Jonathan Porterfield Eco Cars,Jonathan Porterfield,Eco Cars,The Truth About Public EV Charging,costs compared to diesel,eco cars,EV Charging vs Diesel Cost,Real Cost of Charging an EV Publicly,Public EV Charging Cost Comparison in 2024,EV Charging vs Diesel,ev vs diesel Costs Compare,Public EV Charging Costs,EV Charging Costs Compared,Costs Compared ev vs diesel,ev vs diesel 2024,ev,Compared,Costs Compared,Public EV Charging,public ev charging,ev charging cost,jonathan porterfield,EV Charging,Diesel car,electric vehicles,public ev charging costs compared to diesel,ev charging,the truth about public ev charging,charging,public charging,ev charging costs compared,electric car running costs vs diesel,tesla charging,public ev charging costs,costs compared ev vs diesel,ev vs diesel costs compare,electric vehicle charging,tesla charging cost,electric car charging,public ev charging cost comparison in 2024,ev charging vs diesel cost
Very well explained ,as a taxi driver in Dublin I will be changing from diesel to ev soon,as if we scrap an old diesel we get a 20000 euro grant off the price of a new ev for use as a taxi....
That's brilliant 👏 😀
Come back and tell us how you get on. If these things are so good, why do they have to bribe you to buy one? Have you considered depreciation?
I have used a MG5 for the last 3.5 years and done 139600 miles. Trouble free. Still on 100% SOH and no issues with loss of range. Jot even worn-out my 1st set of brake pads! Savings so far against my last hybrid are in excess of £23000! Nice:) get the long range exclusive if you are going for an MG5
@@thisisnumber0as a taxi driver he will most likly be buying a 2nd user and depreciation helps us one hell of a lot.
Today there are few none wet cambelt engined fossil vehicles on the market. As a taxi driver you would be insane to buy one of those! Who wants the cost of 2 or 3 engines in the life of a car?
That wasn't a rant, that was a well balanced information piece. Friends and coworkers are shocked to find out how little my car costs to run per year, on Octopus Go
There is not a chance in h*ll I can even get anywhere near 50mpg on my diesel never mind 60mpg. I have a 3.0l modern diesel and a full tank only gives 330miles. That is one reason I have ordered an EV which gives me 380miles to a full charge and the car has regen braking too.
I can’t have a dedicated home charger because I’m renting. However I have switched to Octopus Agile and am saving a fortune. 3 days this month they paid me to charge my car. Last week I used 60.70 kWh overall for my flat and EV and it cost £7.77 or 12.8p kWh. ❤
You’ve done well Garry - patric
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
Why cant you install a ev plug when renting? Most landlords don't care as long as it's done by a certified electrician
@@mikaelvellmun7228 they refuse so I bought an extension cable and a granny charger. For 3.5 years I just used public charging but the price is very high now and not looking like it’s coming down anytime soon.
Just got back from a 1300 mile trip to b the Bordeaux area of France . Using a Kia charge card for all charging stops . We used 308kwh At total cost of £168.00. This was using the autoroute for the long stretches at 124 kph. Our e Niro was faultless and a total pleasure to drive. Would recommend it to any one over an ice car.
I have a Nissan Leaf, but I have leased and test driven other EVs to see what they are like. The Kia e-Niro was fantastic. Effortlessly took me to Nottingham from South London while holdling a projected range of 300 miles all the while. I could instantly see why owners rave about them. The Kia e-Niro would kill most people's desire to continue with an ICE car.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
InstaVolt are now 85p per kw/w, BP Pulse, Osprey and the rest are 79p per kw/h as of May 2024 for rapid charging.
The average cost is 56p per kw/h for public slow/fast charging as of May 2024.
I'd love to own an electric car, but I'd have to build a driveway and install a home charger, to be competitive with an IC car.
The costs are prohibitive.
Why is public charging so expensive?
The government need to get that cost down and improve the charging infrastructure to encourage widespread electric car adoption.
Electric car deprecation at the moment is great for second hand buyers but awful for new owners.
These new Chinese electric cars entering the market are a game changer, it's a rapidly changing and interesting car world we are in right now.
Home charging is the winner, but travel a longer journey and we need to use the more expensive rapid chargers, overall it makes a small difference to your costs when you are travelling at under 2p per mile normally. Great to show that even without home charging and using rapid chargers it is still cheaper. A great explanation and demonstration of costs.
Thanks for watching and your comments 🙂
Hi There, the main thing for me is it's a quieter, cheaper and environmentally beneficial way to drive. Cheers Peter :)
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
I'm convinced about EVs being the way to go, but so many can't access cheap overnight electricity to charge as they live in terraced houses, tower blocks, etc with no off road parking so can't connect.
In which case the alternative may be to subscribe to the charge network you might use the most. This sometimes brings cost reductions of up to 30%. The people you mention are shackled to filling stations anyway if they have a car, so instead would simply use charging hubs instead.
There is no such thing as overnight cheap charging, it will take you 3 days to charge your ev, just buy an ICE and be happy.
Enjoy no road tax on EV while it lasts! Here in NZ, we now pay $76 per 1000km, which may not sound like much, but our public chargers are around 70-80 cents per kwh. Which all means a good hybrid is actually much cheaper on a road trip and very close to the same cost if charged at home! However, both my wife and I only use EV. She has a Kia EV6 GT Line, and I have a 40kwh Nissan Leaf, and we have no plans to go back to any ICE or hybrid! Actually, after losing 50% on the Kia, we would be nuts to sell our Kia!
Home charging is where EV ownership shines. Low cost overnight charging and supercharging for the occasional roadtrip
Axis (pet shop boys)😊
I have never owned an electric vehicle as I don't have access to home charging and the infrastructure where I live, one charge point in the area where I live and one charger in the next town along, I also work nights so it's also more expensive during the day, I run a Smart diesel, average of 74mpg hard driving and over 90mpg with my gentle right foot, I have looked at a hybrid but as 80% of my journey to and from work is motorway, it's not as economical as my diesel. Although I can't afford an electric vehicle, if the infrastructure was present and I had the money to buy an electric vehicle, I would love to buy an electric vehicle
@@andrewgage6942 Could you afford the depreciation?
I have to be honest, I bought my car 13 years ago, the car was 5 months old, an ex demonstration model, it had 1983 miles on the clock, it has just passed 160,000 miles, it's hopefully going to last me another 10 years until I retire, it's been incredibly cheap to run, I pay 24 a month for a service plan, 3 services over 2 years and an MoT test from Mercedes, zero road tax, £265 a year insurance, £240 a year extended warranty, and overall, I've spent just shy of £500 on the car when I hit a pothole which split the wheel, damaged the tyre and broke a spring, so, 2 springs, a new wheel and tyre, (I included the tyre as I had just renewed the two back tyres a week before), and the car broke down once at around 120,000 miles, 3 sensors went wrong at once, they were covered under warranty, I keep my cars for a long time
Half of people lack garage to charge in. EVs will suck for minorities and poor especially due to this. It makes me realize wow the brown and poor people aren't in charge of democrats, which is weird, guess greens elite alone run the Dems and UK. So weird to see behind the curtain, green elite run govts.
You just need to do the same with a years' worth of charging and then compare with the diesel price - that will then illustrate the savings really well. long trips are not the norm
Axis (pet shop boys)👍
I don’t have solar, but EV go makes it so cheap it’s ridiculous. I spend over £300/pcm less using my EV than a dino car, and I know it’s not as efficient as the Kia!
Is it reasonable these days to make the comparison with diesel? Their share of the new car market has dropped off a cliff, and on the used market they're vastly outnumbered by petrol and petrol hybrids. The ones that are available have become a liability to own due to the complexity of the emission control systems, the days of simple, reliable diesel engines was ended by VW's fraud.
Yes its reasonable ! as some ICE drivers read the Daily Fail , or the Telegraph , and are 'convinced' diesel is better !
@@JonathanPorterfield Okie dokes, unreasonably reasonable! 😉
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
It's better to compare to diesel because there's always some troll comments that they get 70-80 mpg from a diesel
My diesel car has a claimed combined efficiency of 83.3mpg. It cost me £4k to buy, is £0 to tax and is as cheap as it gets to insure. It's simple enough to service myself - maybe £100/yr to buy quality parts and £50 for the MOT cert.
I personally LOVE using electric cars, but there is simply no way it can be as cheap as my car is to run. I am even fortunate enough to be able to hypothetically charge at home but still can't make the maths work. The difference in insurance cost alone is huge, let alone the purchase price, let alone the rate of depreciation.
Even if I could somehow get free electricity with zero installation costs, and even if my diesel car fell to pieces and had to be sold for scrap metal after 5 years, it would *still* be more cost effective to run the diesel car versus an electric car at current prices.
Electric cars will eventually reach price parity with dinosaur juice cars, maybe even become cheaper. At that time it would absolutely make sense to purchase one, but today (mid 2024) it isn't yet the best financial decision.
My petrol car does 47 miles to the gallon, but if you just nip out for a short trip I’m lucky to get 20
Axis (pet shop boys)😂
thats why i went EV , my commute averages 23mph over 8 miles each way. EVs are more efficient so i was getting 5 miles a kwh instead of 38mpg from my fabia
JP, your calculations are based on a wonderful Nero 4+ like mine which can travel 5 miles on one kilowatt of electricity. Few other electric cars can manage that efficiency, so your calculations might be considered a bit out. Other make EVs charging at expensive Rapid public chargers probably have an equivalent cost per mile to a similarly sized petrol car, rather than a diesel. But even then, most of the time most of us with an EV can do the outward leg of a trip at domestic electricity rates, bringing the round trip cost down.
My seldom used second car is a hybrid Yaris showing a long term average of about 60mpg and on a long journey charging up the (larger) Nero at a Rapid to get home makes both cars have similar per mile fuel costs for that leg of the trip, so I never "fill up" at a rapid charger because cheaper fuel awaits at my destination.
The hybrid has been delegated to DIY store collections and Tip trips, because the EV is far superior in every way. Luckily there are still some people "who will never drive an EV", and I thank them for being obdurate, because it leaves more public charging points free.
Last year I did around 10,000 miles of home charging in my MG ZS EV and averaged 3.7miles per kWh for £202.70. In addition I did 800 miles of rapid charging for £170.80. So comfortable and easy to drive, absolutely the best decision I ever made in relation to cars.
10,800 miles in my previous Astra would have cost £1836 @ 40mpg
Does that figure include vehicle tax?
@@rickyjulian496 No it doesn’t but at present EV road tax is £0 Depending on the value of the car I think different rates start after April 2025 but no more expensive than ICE cars. Personally as govt revenue drops with falling petrol/diesel sales I would not be surprised if they move to a mileage tax paid yearly and depending on miles traveled. Ironically this will make pump prices tad there is no tax directly included!
The companies aren't paying for the rapid charge infrastructure. The government is by giving grants.
And where do you suppose the £billions in subsidies, handed to the oil industry over the decades, has come from?
@@Brian-om2hh Good point
My C3 Picasso is returning 61.3 mpg average. On a run it returns 70+ mpg! You'll NEVER convince me EV`s are cheaper to run!! Bear in mind the only direction the price of electricity is going to go is up, following the price of oil and Gas! Also, I can fill my fuel tank up in less than 5 mins where an EV will take about 40 mins to put 60% in the batteries assuming you obey the 20%/80% rule. If not you`ll be well into the next hour!
EV`s also can be remotely switched off if Geo-fencing arrives which it will as the infrastructure is being installed countrywide. My old diesel car isn't bound by these restrictions!
My 250 mile range MG ZS EV charges at home for £5.07 (7.5p per kWh and 3.7 miles per kWh) using a EV overnight tariff . With solar panels on my house I can charge my car for freer
Gotta feel sorry for the conspiracy theorists. If they really could geo-fence car they could just as easily jam the oil tanker sat navs, making your diesel non existent or unaffordable
"You'll NEVER convince me EV`s are cheaper" So by my calculations you are paying 11p per mile for general driving. I'm paying 2p per mile. I get 4.3 miles per kWh on an annual basis @ 9p per kWh. Try working the figures out yourself. It takes me about 30 seconds to plug my car in at night and another 30 seconds to unplug the next day. I have 40 years experience of owning petrol and diesel vehicles and I can tell you, you have got it wrong. If you can't charge at home at night then stick with what you have. You are paying some of my taxes so I have no issue with that. Many thanks.
99% of EV drivers had ICE cars for decades and have come to the conclusion EVs are both better and cheaper. How much experience of owning and driving EVs do you have to make the same comparison?
Electricity prices have dropped about 12% since you made your comment.
Sensible video , many complain that EV`s are expensive, yes NEW. I have never bought a NEW car always used or ex demo just like with an ICE car.( and the price of used EV`s are now comparable with ICE with no Road Tax and much cheaper servicing every 2 years)
I now use Intelligent Octopus GO and charge overnight at 7.5p making your calculations £20.17p . I also have solar like you and sell my export at 15p so rather than use the solar to charge I make an additional 7.5p by exporting the equivalent energy back to the grid....its makes your solar make you more money.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
I must be lucky with my 16yr old Saab diesel, it will happily will do 60mpg on the sort of runs you did, and will do over 75mpg, closer to 80mpg if I limit it to 60-65mph.
When it does eventually die, I will look to an electric, but the car you have environmentally is better than the newer one you could pay for.
No it’s not, you are still burning way more fossil fuel and putting out more C02 into the atmosphere driving an old car.
I had a Saab 9-3 estate and I averaged between 34 and 41 mpg. I looked through old What Car and Autocar road test and your figures are so much better than thiers. I had a Prius and did 90,000 miles at an average of 54.7 mpg. To get 80mpg in a car the size and wieghtof a Saab is incredible. Are these long- term average figures or just instant readings?
I've had an electric car since 2019. I've only used pubic chargers 3 times. Twice i didn't need to charge the car but i topped it up....just in case.
Axis (pet shop boys)😊
I did over 1500 miles in my Model Y LR in convoy with a GLC diesel, both fully loaded 5 people, London to Skye and back. £150 for me mostly on Tesla supercharger and only rely on car sat-nav to find chargers. The diesel costed £220.
As you say, day to day it's really really cheap. 7.5p/kWh => around 2 p/mile if not charging for free from rooftop solar. Over 10p/mile cheaper than any ICE car.
I wish EV tariffs and derived per-mile cost different to ICE cars are more widely advertised. This is the game changer.
Yes choice as long as we follow you and don't enjoy what we like . Or want . Choice is a human imperative but those who want to force will always get resistance . Enjoy your car and I will enjoy mine .
Axis (pet shop boys)👍
Aren’t you effectively saying ’I don’t care how badly my transport choice affects others (in terms of emissions and their effect on human health) I’ll do as I want for as long as I can?
Yehhh, guess you love filling the pockets of the rich share holders of big oil 🤪
Ev cars and vans are OK in the right setting . Range problems charger availability and having time to charge are the main issues .I do wonder if you'd spend 4 quid on a coffee if you didn't have to be there to charge up .
Your not suggesting that people ONLY use Starbucks etc when they are charging their car are you. They would have never existed if that was the case
The crazy thing is ChargePlace Scotland being installed at car parks where you have to pay to park while charging.
#chargingisNOTparking
Axis (pet shop boys)👍
@@Peoplestariffhas this been challenged?
If you had refilled your diesel car on the motorway network, it would have cost well in excess of £1.80 per litre. X 4
5 = £8.10 per gallon = 19.2 gallons ÷ 1347= 69.8mpg.. err no that is not going to happen in a vehicle the size of KIA eNero
It should also be mentioned that you don't need off road parking or a dedicated home charger to charge at home. If you have a 3-pin to Type 2 cable and a Type 2 compatible charge port you can plug into a domestic socket and put at least 120 miles into your car between 00:30 and 04:30. Even if you don't have an overnight cheap rate you will still be paying much less per kwh than at a Rapid charger.
And let's also mention the free charging you can get at hotels, coffee shops, supermarkets, DIY stores, etc.
Oh and you can get paid to charge and/or put power back on the grid. So it can be better than free.
As Jonathan has said, NONE of this is possible with ICE vehicles.
The physics don’t add up
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
oh thanks for telling us i just need to get a extention lead to reach up 26 floors hahaha
@@reefermark5298 Can you get a petrol pump up to the 26th floor? Idiot.
Brilliant. Love the coffee analogy for home charging vs. DC rapid chargers.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
Down here in the south of england there are a lot more open to all Tesla chargers and it's not difficult to do all your away from home charging on them, recently completed 696 mile trip all on Tesla for a total cost of £60.83 including Tesla £8.99 membership that gives you about 20% off non-member price, that's in an MG4 that returns 4 miles per kWh.
Axis (pet shop boys)👍
My 2003 diesel van does 65mpg on the open road. 55mpg around town.
Because time is money.. that 5 minute refill matters.
Electric vans are crud. Especially when loaded for a days work..
The nissan electric van I hired for a month managed 50 miles per 2 hour recharge.
Public charging is dire around here. I also had to waste more time driving out of the way to charge and wait in a charge queue.
I gave the thing back after 2 weeks.
Too long to recharge, too short ranged when loaded. It was costing me in missed appointments and losing me my reputation.
I have never bought a coffee from Starbucks, Costa etc
Then you wake up! You keep polutting the air!
@@mikegipson1224
If the government were serious about net zero and the environment they would be rolling out HVO. A drop in replacement for diesel that reduces emissions by 90% combustion engines aren't the problem just the fuel. Remember Rudolf Diesel invented his engine to run on plant oil. The only reason fossil fuel is used to make diesel is that it is a by-product of petrol and plastic production.
@@mikegipson1224 A Diesel vehicle doesn't pollute as much as making an EV 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@jamie-hb8gy Do some proper research oh and if you think pumping out tonnes of diesel fumes every mile is fine then you go breathe that carcinagenic muck in.
Thank you for the video. I'm just about to order my first ev car. I have a short list of three cars renault megane etech. Skoda enyaq. Or a byd atto 3 Also with home charging installed by ohme..
Thanks for the comments, i found the Atto 3 really good , and it charges very fast from 150kW rapids.
See my Atto 3 thoughts here ua-cam.com/video/caYHJYykgWc/v-deo.html
Axis (pet shop boys)😊
No-one ever mentions subscription to your local charger network. Thats what we do as we havent got a driveway and we still pay less for electrons than we ever did for petrol. We also have the Octopus electroverse card for other chargers too
But even if it was the same or more we wouldnt go back as my wife is so much calmer driving to and from work through roadworks and traffic...something about being in a quiet car with no vibrations makes for a happier driver.
Cheers JP, good work 👍
Thanks Jude 👍 😊
Exactly. Many seem oblivious to the fact that many public charging networks offer a subscription service, often with varying fees tied to how often you might charge your EV. My local charge network offers 3 subscription tariffs, depending on your mileage. The cheapest being (from memory) 38p per kwh, and the higher charge being 45p for those who may cover fewer miles. Once you subscribe, you get al "allowance" of X kwh per Month in with your subscription, and after you have used that, you revert to the normal price per kwh. I did take out a subscription initially, a couple of years back, but found I rarely used it as I charge at home 95% of the time, at 7.5p per kwh
I am currently on a Scottish trip, and only 1247 miles in so far. Doing the same sums as you @Jonathan Porterfield, it is working out at 54mpg equivalent in my Tesla M3LR, however, I still have a few more days up here and then a 600 mile trip back home. I do charge at home for 7.5p/kWh overnight, so likewise, as long as the charger works, I don’t care what it costs. Yes, of course I would like it to be less, but I don’t begrudge the Charge Point Operators. Being on holiday, there has been a lot of very shorter trips between photo opportunities, so a dino car would struggle to get up to 54mpg, and many of the roads are soundless track where we have been, so speeds are very low, great for an EV, not so great for a dino powered vehicle.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
Very well explained. Loved it!
Thanks Tim 👍 😊
“Charging up? - I drove from the Midlands to Provence in my Mercedes eClass diesel (in Eco Mode) - 870 miles….didn’t re-charge / fill up AT ALL & arrived with 97 miles “range” - stress & anxiety free driving :- )
Thanks for letting us know. Obviously no one who drives an EV has any idea that cars powered by diesel engines exist as we are all new to driving, despite mainly being 50+ years old.
Do you think that I have more stress than you when I drive my (7yo and bought used) 150 miles range EV? I have less stress because I know that I won't pay so much to go where I want. I can decide where I will charge, my car tells me where and when I can charge, every charger I visit works and there are no longer queues than in a patrol station. I made a 700 miles journey and didn't have any problem, I never had a problem the last two years and I paid nothing for my services when I used to pay at least £500 every year for my diesel. When I just go to work it costs me 2p per mile.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
A fair comparison would be a light SUV because that’s effectively what the E Nero is. In that case realistically you’re looking more at 40mpg.
48mpg is realistic on a longer run in 3 litre diesel bmw but short trips more like 25mpg
Having had a Niro HEV Which averaged 50 MPG given the current £6.60 a gallon (RAC figure) that comes out at £177.80. for the same trip. £21.11 cheaper in EV. This is a Like for Like as near as it gets. A PHEV might do slightly better.
Axis (pet shop boys)😮
Your vid popped up on my feed
VW Passat 1.6 BMT estate can do on long runs 72mpg from cold on premium tyres
Even on short runs 20miles can get with cheap diesel 65+ mpg from cold on mid range tyres
Take note I cannot charge at home, therefore
Also you should bill yourself the going rate by the hour when you are charging the ev, including any snacks/coffee in the garage
Btw there is 4.546 litres in a gallon
Like the penny’s they add up
Fuel consumption is only part of the running cost. Purchase cost, interest payments, insurance,etc all make a big difference.Personally,the cost of changing to EV s would be prohibitive.
It's not really "the truth" though is it.
Middle of summer on some of the quietest roads and motorways in the UK.
Come 200 miles south and do the same mileage in winter with your lights, heater or wipers on etc and heavy traffic.
Bit disingenuous mate really.
If Tesla can charge non Tesla owners 43p per kwh at peak times and even less non peak as per the video (and I believe less for Tesla owners), and they also have had to install the infrastructure in the same way as grid serve etc, how come these other providers charge double the price ? Tesla are not a charity and they are making a profit from the supercharger network, so I don't understand why they are not seen as profiteering.
Further, if petrol forecourts worked on the same profit margin (and lets not forget there are infrastructure costs in building a petrol/diesel station) they would be taken to task by the AA/RAC and accused of profiteering.
I would think the Tesla chargers make very little profit but have helped them sell millions of cars
At the moment there may be a difference. But once the demand curve levels out that price difference will disappear.
Nice video and very interesting. It would also be interesting to do the same comparison on a fully loaded car whilst towing. To park and disconnect the van for each charge is awkward and tiring.
How much did you pay for solar panels and battery for your free electricity?
£15k 4 years ago , its saved me £3.5k a year on electrons
No I'm not suggesting that at all . People do call in to the services for a break and a coffee . That's what the services are for . I'm saying that EV drivers who have to call in to charge choose to get a coffee while there . They are not calling in for a break , and wouldn't be there if they did not have to charge their vehicle .you know how I meant it
Must be UK gallons ... US gallons is about 4.1 l per gallon
Fair assumption as John lives in the UK!!!
When my house was built the electric came into the wrong side of the house. Consequently an EV charger would be a night mare to fit in a tidy fashion.
That's only 2 tanks of fuel in my diesel car
The video talks about "choice". My apartment is on the first floor and my car is about 50 metres away. What choice do I have?
Add in the depreciation costs for every mile you do or you are just wasting your time looking at cost per unit distance based on fuel or electricity cost. A £30000 EV that does 30000 miles over 3 years (based on typical annual mileage) will have major depreciation because you will have a used, outdated, EV that no one wants to buy because they don't know what the state of the battery is. That is up to an extra £1 per mile. Then add in the difference in insurance cost per year. If you have a 10 year old diesel or petrol car that has maybe another 10 years of life left why would you get rid of it and buy a new EV at great cost with the risk of major depreciation in a few years? This is the calculation most people are doing and just comparing fuel/power costs as you are doing is not persuading people who are looking at the bigger picture. Then there are the majority of people who have no option but to use public charging. And if you want to save the planet then don't count on EVs, better to persuade the government to ban oversized, fuel guzzling, SUVs that are pushed by the manufacturers simply because they can make a bigger profit selling the empty space inside an SUV than they can with a small, economical to run, vehicle. For a lot of people an EV is a gamble they cannot afford to take on because they do not have the savings to risk £30000 buying something that will need replacing with another £30000 in 3 years time. These are the people who buy 3 year old fleet cars and run them for a long time and have nowhere to plug in an EV at home because they do not have a driveway. There will also be the cost to consumers of having to increase the generating capacity and transmission capacity of the electricity grid to supply all the electric cars and electric home heating that the government wants people to switch to. If you want an EV buy it because you want one and can afford it, not because you think it is cheap to run or good for the planet.
You do realise that JPs E Nero is more than 3 years old and still covers 300 miles on a charge
@@WilliamLeigh-cl9bq Then add in the depreciation and insurance costs per mile based on that. Some years ago I kept a spreadsheet that contained every penny I spent on running a car for a year. The costs of fuel was only 50% of the total annual cost. So just looking at the fuel costs is not a useful guide to the cost of running a vehicle. If you have a vehicle with worse than average depreciation costs then that needs to be considered.
Most people who choose a new EV will *lease* it, so depreciation isn't a concern for them. And the state of the battery in a used EV can be checked in minutes, with an OBD device via the car's diagnostic socket. This can provide a print-out of the battery's SOH (state of health) in percentage terms.
@@Brian-om2hh So is the leasing cost being added in then? I have not seen anyone doing any of these cost comparisons adding in a leasing cost.
Hi Jonathan, when you did your price per gallon for diesel did you allow for the highway robbery that happens when you buy fuel at a motorway services. People who use these services just say they have to pay the price as they need the fuel so its the same for us ev drivers we need the power to continue so we pay the price. 90% of my charging is done at home so going on longer journeys means you have to pay the price .
but the car cost twice as much in the first place…. so where is the savings?
And the EV resale value is less.
@@reginaldmolehusband4330 Which isn't an issue if you *lease*
Er no. A new petrol Ford Focus starts at £28k. A new similarly sized fully electric MG4 starts at £26k. Where do you get your distorted views from?
Bought a mk2 niro in sept 22.
All your points on fuel are bang on 32k km's so far very easy and happy miles.
Solar and a good overnight 5c / kwh for 3 hours per night so fuel costing me €1 per night each time I charge maybe 4 times a week.
Service a lot cheaper at my 30k service
Tax is lower although €120 / year in Ireland.
You must drive like a saint to get 5miles / kwh on a long journey In Ireland the motorway speed limit is 120 kph so 75 I do maybe 50% motorway and like to keep up with traffic,
My average is 5.5 k / kwh over the full 32k km's
I have never been caught out, Ireland is a small island, so a full tank will get me most parts from Dublin no problem.
SO happy to motor on even if it costs a few more suros.
I get brand new cars depreciate like nelly, last week I was offered 27k for a 45k car on a new scenic, v interesting car.
18k euros loss is savage on a not even 2 year old car.
This will put me off for a while.
I get keep the car and this levels out, but I do like to look as I am a car nut.
Great content as always,
Anyway my experience
I just did the 3 peaks in a hire polestar. Prices were about the same if we had taken the Diesel C4 with one home charge and final charge at home before dropping off the car back at hertz. 1011miles, 12p a mile on the polestar and it would average been the same on the C4. For the convenience of 150k+ fast chargers I would say that electric is cost effective.
Octopus cheap rate overnight charging also mean MORE expensive day rates. They give with one hand and take with the other.
Thats because night rates are cheaper to buy 'wholesale' across the industry, and it encourages us all to use electricity when its cheap !
So charging the ev, storage batteries, heat batteries ( hot water) can all be filled at cheap rate , to then use in the day !
To be fair, just checked Octopus EV Go tariff and the day rate is only 1p more than my standard variable Octopus tariff. We have a £7k to 8k budget and were looking at Toyota Auris Hybrid but after seeing prices of Leaf MK2 come into that price bracket I may reconsider. We had one a couple of years ago on Salary Sacrifice and it was fine for us (90% city usage). A lot of car for 7k. @@JonathanPorterfield
The price and hassle of ad blue.
Very useful JP. Thank you very much.
Thanks for watching and your comments 🙂
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
This is great, but I'm still not convinced by the "not ripping us off" bit on the rapids. I live in France and €0.50/kwh is the high price for most rapids, which is about the same as the Tesla price you're quoting. I'm coming to the UK for a holiday in a few weeks' time and seeing £0.70-£0.79 everywhere horrifies me compared with what I'm paying for a rapid in France. I don't disagree that it's still cheaper than I'd be paying with diesel, but I'm still a bit at a loss as to why it's so much more expensive than France. Check out the costs of IE Charge, Electra, etc in France to give you an idea. IECharge only charge €0.30/kwh for a rapid (though I think they cheat by mostly installing next to substations)
If you top up with diesel at service stations you'll be paying nearer £1.80 a gallon !!!
A litre ??
I drive toyota hybrid and it cost me £45 to get 620 miles i live in london like 80% of people who live here cant charge from home untill the prices come down by a lot to charge on fast chargers no one is going to buy an ev its twice or 3 times more expensive to charge here at 80p kwh and 65kw ev from empty to full would cost £52 and the furthest you can go for that is 250 miles so its a no brainer to buy ev in fact if you cant charge from home youv got to be a lunatic...
Wait until the government starts adding taxes to EV charging stations like they do to fuel stations then you see the cost benefits of EVs will go away.
They already have. There has been 20% VAT on public charging for years.... 5% VAT is payable on home charging.
@@Brian-om2hh Currently in the US there is no charging tax but the fuel tax can be as high as 20% depending what state you live in.
Home charging is really cheap (better now we have a decent charger rather than the BP Pulse crap) But I disagree about the cost of public charging being reasonable. I can use the open to all Tesla chargers at peak for 44p a Kw, if that is profitable to them then every other company can also make a profit at 50p per Kw or below. Recently 150 miles worth of charge was £30 at an applegreen charger & that was with the membership discount. If the Tesla chargers on the other side of the same carpark had been open to all it would have been £17. High profits on charging, especially on the subsidised chargers provided by councils is what will kill off people buying EV's.
The 'as low as 3p a mile' sales pitch is soon the reality of 'up to 25p a mile dependent on location & double that in winter'.
Look at all the empty EV charge points when there is an open to all Tesla option in the same location.
I haven't owned an electric vehicle because I have no access to off road parking, so I can't charge at home, I also work nights, that aside, the infrastructure in this area is virtually non existent, one working charge point in the town where I live, there are other chargers but they are not yet connected to the grid, the next town up has one charge point, the company I work for were asked if they were prepared to put charge points in the car park 3 years ago and they never answered, so this puts me off, then there's the price of used electric vehicles, they are still way out of my price range, my daily commute is 60 miles round trip, 80% of which is motorway driving, I have a little Smart diesel, hard driving i achieve 74 miles per gallon, as I'm rather frugal and light on the right foot, I achieve an average of 90 miles per gallon, my car costs very little to run, i pay £24 a month for 3 services over 2 years, £24 a month for an extended warranty, zero road tax, two hundred and something for insurance, the extended warranty came into its own at 120,000 miles, the only time that the car went wrong when 3 sensors went wrong at the same time, I have spent just shy of £500 on the car when I hit a pothole whilst travelling at 50mph, it split the wheel, damaged the tyre wall and broke a spring, (I had just replaced the tyres a week before), including fitting, I replaced two springs, the wheel and tyre, I bought my car 13 years ago with 1983 miles on the clock, it's just passed 160,000 miles and still going strong and still very cheap to run, I hope that it will last me another 10 years until I retire, if the infrastructure improves, the price of electric vehicles becomes within my reach, and if I will be eligible to get a card to be able to purchase electricity, (I have only ever used cash, I have never had any form of bank card, I don't know how to use them), I would consider buying one if they are as cheap as my little car to run
Diesel at moment in our area is £1.39 litre but electric domestic / public charging as remained high , my car large family car 2.0 litre insignia average's around 56mpg so going EV on public charging it would cost more than my Diesel . I would like to go EV but the extortionate cost of electric is putting me off ,have considered getting solar though . Solar is not really much good for them poor souls that work 9 to 5 type hours (fortunately I never have ) as your cars away from home while the sun shines
Battery storage is key with solar for the reasons you state !
ua-cam.com/video/132-k2FzfVY/v-deo.htmlsi=mcAxEk6VaaVD44YV
@@JonathanPorterfield Very true but the payback on battery storage isn't that great with price of battery storage at moment , got told this by a solar installer . Think they are looking at using refurbished EV battery's for solar storage as any loss of capacity won't such an issue . The other idea being tested is using some capacity of EV car batter to run house at night . This is ok if your cars at home during day as car battery's have massive capacity compared to average solar storage
We'll be moving to an electric car soon - looking forward to the addition. We'll have to keep an ICE vehicles for farm towing and van for work because we can't see how we can practically charge more than one vehicle at a time overnight or day without maxing our grid connection, plus the need for multiple charging points (not heard anyone discussing multiple electric car ownership practicalities with home charging yet).
Interesting that these calcs don't include the associated costs of the battery. I'm guessing all cars will need maintenance, electric less so, but batteries are a system factor that perhaps should be accounted for along with the energy cost.
Curious as I'm no expert - for ballpark numbers: if an electric car battery lasts an expected 200,000 miles, and a new one costs £10,000 - £20,000, thats an additional £0.05 - £0.10 per mile to add to any "per mile" energy cost.
As an example, in this video that would mean an additional £67.35 - £134.70 for a 1347mile trip; for the lower "per mile" battery guestimate along with energy at the peak price given in the video, thats ~£224 for the 1,347 mile journey.
JP I totally agree with you on costings, as I have done some calculations on the Niro and similar EVs, but did you factor in starting off on what I would expect to be fully charged battery. As always thanks for sharing. 😃
Axis (pet shop boys)😅
You are being misleading with your summary claim. Charging on your 9 pence rate, cannot pump 269 KW into your car in 4 hours. How much time did you spend waiting? And this is where the UKs inefficiency comes to light. Waiting and waiting to move on. Most tradesmen are on a £50+ per hour rate. So the real cost is much more.
We have a small EV a e-up what the wife uses couldn't drive for less money it's always charged at work or home also with octopus energy. Just returned from a 3000km road trip to Norway had a brand new polestar LR 4wd 82kw a 20-80% fast charge there cost between £12-15 3.95 nok-5.00 nok kWh 0.30p on 350kw chargers
If Tesla have the same installation costs as Gridserve et al, how can they charge so much less?
I've often wondered the same. I do wonder if Tesla are offsetting some of the capex costs against their vehicle sales so that they can sell the EV experience; none of the other CPOs have a vehicle to sell you. From what I understand Tesla doesn't list the charging side of the business separate to the other parts of the business so you can't see what sort of cross-subsidy may be going on.
Also Tesla are a good 3-5years ahead in their cost of installation and such. That might make a difference.
@@ianclarke6665 Other CPOs are now installing rebadged Supercharger v4 units and I think most are just installed by sub-contractors so install costs shouldn't vary much, other costs such as wayleaves and cabling etc. shouldn't vary too much regardless of which company is installing. For older sites Tesla may have struck better ground rent deals but how likely is it that they would continue to secure such deals and what happens when current ground rents expire and have to be renegotiated.
@@paulweston1106 thank you, I had thought they were just ahead on the bath tub curve of costs and such. Cheers
I suspect they signed very tight contracts with the power companies to keep their incoming costs down, and after that it's savings due to the number of chargers and sites they have fitted, but most of all it is going to depend on how many years they write down the chargers over.
😂😂😂Each to his/ their own ...The main stumbling block with EVs is the initial cost ..with them coming down on the second hand market at a rapid rate for various reasons ,that will soon be sorted
The initial cost is only a stumbling block because it's intentionally misrepresented by the Mainstream Media. The fact is that you start saving money from the moment you drive your EV out of the dealership. My humble 24kwh Nissan Leaf returned it's entire value in savings over my previous very frugal and cheap to maintain petrol Ford Fiesta. There's a reason why I call it a rolling bank.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
In my diesel that journey at your figures £153 including around town miles as I get 60 miles to a gallon overall and on my last big journey 3 weeks ago I did 653 miles on £72 pounds of diesel although cost isn’t my biggest concern it’s time
I didnt loose any time over the 313 miles i drove without charging , i lost time emptying my bladder twice 🤣🤣🤣
@@JonathanPorterfield but you would charging after you have done the 313 miles , when we visit our dad and grand children time is a essence we go out to different places as my grandson is autistic we go to remote places no chargers there , we do all the 653 miles on one tank and still have well over a quarter of a tank left
@snodgee after 313 miles id been driving nearly 7 hours , i could have stopped for lunch at a rapid for 30/ 40 minuites and filled the battery.
Then when i slept at a hotel ( which i pick who have a charger) it charged whilst i sleep.
No one should drive 600 miles without stopping !
@@JonathanPorterfield when we go up there the hotel we stay in doesn’t have chargers ,the closest one which does is £130 to £150 pounds more depending on time of year
Factor in the time waiting to charge or finding a working charger compared to minutes refilling a diesel vehicle. My 1.6 diesel Kia ceed can be way over 60mpg on a run without trying to hyper mile.
With a 300 mile range in my kia e niro , i charge after 6 hours of driving at my hotel or at home , i never 'hang around' waiting for it to charge , i do other stuff like sleeping !
Ignore what Jonathan has to say and stick with diesel. In my eyes you're a bloody hero. Paying (some) of my taxes for me, thank you. Don't let anyone call you a financial dip-stick. What you are doing works for you and me.
@@ianhamilton3113 🤣 Love this comment 👏👏😀
@@JonathanPorterfield Thank you Jonathan.
Based on his figures he has a fuel cost of around 11p per mile "on a run" where as I'm paying 2p per mile for all driving. I never "hyper mile" and I only service the car every two years. I've owned several diesels and they need regular oil changes. Funny how he doesn't mention that isn't it? A whole day off the road in a garage for a service!!! Bugger that!
It's his money, let him do what he wants with it. But dare he come and tell us we've got it wrong!!
And I love your videos btw.
Diesel £1:85.9 on MW services
😳😳
Your figures are a little suspect so maybe you started with a full charge (as I imagine anyone) would that's not accounted for. If you take your kwh X cost then it will equate to between £212 to £193 based on the different rates. If you use Kia and independent tests of consumption of 4.3 miles per kWh then that increases to £247 to £225. I can't believe that if the government wants us to use EV then the price is not regulated. For me my time is money so sitting about for three to four hours while it charges compared to 10 mins for one fuel stop is a big issue
It's not all about costs.
Which doesn't poison toddlers in pushchairs being pushed along pavements? EVs or diseasels?
Which doesn't give dogs cancer when their owners walk them down the pavement? EVs or diseasels?
Doctor? Is it you?
@chrishar110 it's not you.
@chrishar110 search for this
W408iUrXxEM
There's your doctor. Unfortunately it's almost certain you don't have the capacity to understand it.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
😮that’s less than a train ticket from runcorn to London 😮
The elephant ( or group of elephants ) in the room , are - you did not ride mostly at night with your lights on , in the rain with your windscreen wipers on and your heater on - excuse the pun but you would be toast
7:50 $1,50,000 / $3,00,000 not missing 0 there to make it millions? 🤔
My rwd X3 does 60mpg if I stick to 60 and I pay ~1.50/litre so 11,36p/mile. Usable Tesla chargers are not conveniently located so I pay Gridserve 79p/kwh to charge my EV away from home. Driving the same routes at the same speed my EV does about 4.8m/kwh so costs 16.46p/mile. Your result implies an average cost of 58p/kwh so must include a lot of Tesla charges and the fact you get 5m/kwh helps too.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
JP think you have got your calculations wrong. If you left home with a full charge shouldn't you knock 300 miles off the total mileage
I left home on a full charge of free electrons from my solar at home.
@@JonathanPorterfield that's what I'm saying, you didn't have to pay 0.79 p pKw so the diesel would have to do 70mpg+
Like you 90% of my charging is at home overnight and i too dont mind paying a premium for public charging for the reasons you state. The UK government could help by reducing the VAT on public charging but they are currently in the pockets of the oil and gas companies. My modest Zoe saves me £150 a month on petrol. When i told my grand daughter i was getting an electric car her immediate reply, unprompted was, "great no more dirty smelly petrol stations". How right she was.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
Deluded.
Good for you hope you enjoy your electric powered car!
First of all I think EVs are great..
But...this was supposed to be a comparison between Public charging and Diesel. Not including home charging.
Your math was not correct on the EV charge 269kw at 0.79p = 212.51(not 156.69)
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
He said HIS TOTAL for the trip. He didn't only use the most expensive he also used Tesla.
You need to rewatch the video at 1:40. He says at 'the most expensive public charging' which when he was going through the figures was 0.79p.....
Oh no, please don't compare my ability to charge at diesel prices with folk who are willing to pay over £3.80 for a cup of coffee, such a bad analogy imo. One is a necessity, the other is couldn't be bothered to fill a flask. I am more than happy to use my Pulse membership for 63p per kw when needed. My BG EV tarrif gives me 8p per kw for 5 hours a night, and about 26p the rest of the time. Can't use tesla network as I am using a chademo. I did used to try to make my journeys very eco and try to keep costs down... then I realised that it was spoiling my fun so now I just drive more or less like a normal car, doing normal car speeds, and I reckon I am still quids in.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
Another channel (MacMaster?) did some sums like this but factored in the REAL costs of charging your EV, the snacks!! He had spent nearly as much on food and coffee as he had on energy. A wonderful chuckle was had.
But its still astupid milk float
You seem to have a fixation with milk floats 🤣🤣
EVs burn coal. That's why temperature is rising.
Thats so funny 😁
Great video - I will have to look into using Tesla charging stations for my MG.
As for my home tariff, I am with Octopus, but have a same price all the time tariff for electricity.
Two reasons for this - firstly, neither my car nor my charger has a timer. I do not like to charge to 100%, so easier to monitor during the day.
Secondly, the Octopus anytime unit price is about 3p less than the daytime price for the cheap-night-tariff. Being a low mileage driver, the cheap-night-tariff would not save me any money.
Anyway, the 24p/kWh means it’s between 5p and 8p per mile, which is still as lot less expensive than petrol or diesel would be.
Well, there is red diesel I guess 🙂
Not so much these days. It's being phased out...... Plus you'll often find that places who sell red diesel will now require your details, plus your vehicle registration number prior to letting you have it.
So the solar panels were free eh? Or more like £15000? What a joke Norman 😂
My choice to invest 4 years ago £15k in solar and battries, they have saved me £15k in electricity costs , so yes its now 'free' electricity.
Why don't you EV evangelists stop shouting from the roof and get on with it and stop trying to convince us petrol lovers to swap to your way. Speaking of coffee, you forgot to factor in the cost of all those coffees and donuts while you're waiting to have you car charged.
What are you going to do with that giant battery in your car when it needs changing, probably stick it on a boat along with the car and send it to the back of beyond, out of site out of mind or you could dig a hole in the back garden
2nd life as battery storage , ev batteries are far to valuable to be 'burying in the ground' !
Name a place where you'll find ev batteries 'dumped' from evs made in 2011 ?
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
@@JonathanPorterfield remember in the past when you use to work on you dad's or grandads car changing spark pugs , break pads , oil or fixing the timing. Bring a car back to life . Having a sense of achievement. Creating a family bond.
Put all that in the hole aswell
@marineboy1964 I remember helping my mum clean out her Horses stable too, good times , i too enjoy nostalgia 😉👍
@@JonathanPorterfield
You could fix a older car yourself on your drive , I challenge you to change the break pads on your new car , no your warranty will be null and void
Evs are not fit for most ppl's situations and most purposes. Try again in 50y.
Is this your opinion based on running an EV? I am on my second one and it is the best car I've had in 50 years driving. It is fast, smooth, quiet with great technology and has all the range I need with low running costs.
And the depreciation on your EV because nobody will be interested in a used three year EV ... a Diesel will have residual value for many years!
Ah right. That will be why used EV sales are currently up 60% over the same period last year. Increasing numbers of ULEZ schemes will kill sales of older used diesels. Sales of new diesel cars are now just 6% of the new car market. You'll be lucky to even find a good used one in 3 to 4 years.
So, your solar panels and battery storage were free to buy and install? Hey, I have solar panels as well, but I paid for them, so charging my EVs is not free yet, maybe free sometime in the future after I have generated enough power to pay off the installation costs, but your batteries will take much longer to break even.
Lots to think about the biggest barrier I can see is up front costs ie another £10k on the car and £1k for a home charger. OK for some the current BIK is a gift from HMG for adopting an EV as a company car driver. Unfortunately my employer does not offer salary sacrifice to ease the way either.
Admittedly with this in place for my 70 mile round trip commute the fuel running costs would be low but thst £16k would take some clawing back.
Some man maths later I could save up to £1500 a year with sn EV solely charging on cheap rate electric so that's 10 years to pay me back though there is the lost opportunity or finance cost on top.
I could get a satisfactory used EV for around £12k with a good number of years battery warranty to fix thst side of things more likely £15k bit dearer to insure get through tyres I guess but with 4 years until retirement it makes no sense. We bought s small petrol suzuki last year £14k new 7year warranty economical that will do for now but we might get a small ev in the future to see how we find it though would use a IC car for long trips.
I got a used 8 month old leaf 40kw with 2500 on the clock. As far as I am concerned it is virtually brand new. £13,000. Hive do a deal with british gas, 5 hours free electricity a night. Lots of people are starting to look at old leafs now, with degraded batteries, to use as a cheap 2nd car. This makes pretty good sense as the miles per kw shoots up doing local town start stop driving. It is like the opposite of an ICE car.
Axis (pet shop boys)😉
So don't buy a new EV. Buy a decent used one instead. I've seen new, still boxed secondhand EV home chargers on ebay for around £300.
PeterSimms4982 is a bot
i plan my longer journeys around tesla chargers :)
Poor you!😢
LESS MAINTENANCE - On EV compared to ice vehicles 👍🏿
Axis (pet shop boys)😊
Was that £1.52 a litre cost based on motorway service station pricing? _That_ is the true comparison for diesel vs public rapid charger pricing. 🙂
My Diesel car 13 years ago Was getting 960 miles range
For around £90 fuel it had a large fuel Tank with 60 Litters 1300 miles would have costed around £128 🤔 I get it no one Drives for 900 miles straight however it was a Peace of mind driving not Worrying about the car
1- I could pick where & when to stop
2- I could pick how long to stop for
3 - I ve aborted multiple Stops & carried on Driving duo to not feeling Safe Stopping at Pumps with low illumination, defective, Ghosty Feeling you name it, I would have hate being forced to stop as supposed to me choosing to stop if it makes sense 🤷
Axis (pet shop boys)😉