Great episode. love the century series. Always a pleasure to listen to mr Bruce Gordon, he is amazing. The F-102 Delta Dagger was also in service in my country Greece as well as in Turkey. I've seen retired F-102s from close, big and imposing aircraft.
The 102s also saw a bit of service during Vietnam in the 60s. They served mainly as bomber escorts for the B-52s. 14 were lost, one of them shot down by a MiG-21.
This channel is a real hidden gem. It's so hard to find good aviation podcasts, and the fact that it concerns military craft across so many time periods directly from the personnel that actually operated those aircraft is amazing.
42:10 delta wings tend to have good low speed control due to the vortex lift they have, and also tend to bleed off airspeed much quicker than other wing shapes...they usually have good supersonic performance(very thin wing thickness to cord length Ratio), good deceleration when increasing aoa and good slow speed control( of course given enough power and low enough wing loading) but suffer more in sustained turn performance compared to other wings(due to their higher lift to drag ratio)☝️
Thank you for asking my question concerning the F-15 centerline external fuel tank. I guess my models will have to jettison than centerline. Awesome show Jello. My favorite airplane Podcast!!!
Thought I would go back and re-listen to this episode in memory of Colonel Jane. Excellent interview, I really enjoyed learning about the Delta Dagger.
Vincent, thank you for the interview! Salute to 91 year old honorable col. Ray Janes and want to thank him for the story! Salute to maj. Bruce Gordon with his story about F-102! And by the way the picture of the video has two mistakes in the name and the rank of col. Ray Janes!
32:20 I was not quite doing Mach 2.5 but when I was maybe 17, practicing forced landings during a training area solo over Western Sydney (Australia) in a PA-38 Tomahawk, I got back to the flying school the CFI (Chief flying instructor) was having a chuckle and asked how low below 500ft AGL was I gliding the plane to before re-applying power? I pretended to be dumb and said I understood the instruction was to practice down to 500ft as displayed on the altimeter, elevation out there is just over 200ft. Anyway, the farm I was using as my target for the landing was near an egg laying chicken factory. They got my rego, called the regulators who called the flying school. They were convinced I scared the chooks so much that hardly any of them laid eggs the next day.
BRUCE IS AWESOME! It’d be interesting to have him walk around and fly in a 4th gen jet to get his perspective of how far airframes and technologies have come. As mentioned in other comments already, Bruce is a national treasure
landing the delta dagger on icy runways must have required balls of steel. a good question for next episode would be if these aircraft had any sort of anti skid (and how efective it was).
Taking of air shows and smoking. A friend of mine was a tech with the 2009 CF-18 Demo Team and he was doing an A Check after the pilot had flown a member of the media. The jet was being fuelled at the time and after the reporter got out of his flightsuit, he lit a cigarette. My eyes went wide open, then my friend saw this, and kindly asked him to put it out. Not to mention the "no smoking" signs on the fuel truck. Lol
I worked at an FBO for many years and can tell you that we have done the throwing of a lit match into jet fuel and yup, it won’t light. For training the fire department needed use a propane blow torch just to get the fuel to boil on the surface and then become a fine mist/vapor before it would light off. Much the same as diesel which is in the same hazmat category.
Awesome! Although it's kind of a shame you weren't able to get into the SAGE Radar & system, since that's (what I've read) the half of the system that makes the 102 as effective as it was. But that might be another hour program. I will always see the 102 and 106 as "Futuristic" looking, even by today's standards. It is indeed interesting how the very basic shape of these two could be seen in the F-117.
Good work, as always. Can't wait for the episode "Thud"! As for the sensitive one(s): Sounded like an honest mistake. "...The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena;...but who does actually strive to do the deeds...
My only criticism is that from a very short episode of 55 minutes almost 20 have been audiences question. Don't get me wrong here. It's wonderful to ask and get a answer. And I have no right or will say something bad about the podcast but please write the time stamp for the guest where it starts.
@@FighterPilotPodcast I was really struggling to write it. Didn't want to be rude or disrespectful. I think this was the first episode that had so many questions. So after the first 15 minutes I lost my coolness.
Did you skip over the North American F-100 Super Sabre, or was it in a past episode? Seems like it would be first up in the Century Series of Fighters...
@@johns.7609 ...uh, no, episode 100 was our centennial episode celebration. Yes we did, Chris, but there was never an F-103 so hold that thought one more episode...
17:42 that is the exact reasons we take 2 wings over a center line in DCS flight sim less drag and more fuel . and i think we figured out the drag thing by experimenting in the sim..... so DCS must be pretty close lol
I remember trying to do an AWACS intercept in the Eagle in DCS once, and decided to bring just a centerline tank because it'd be faster. Hit the sound barrier like a brick and didn't go anywhere till I jettisoned that thing. Very eye opening. Good to know that the configuration that looks better also works better! 👍
Inception of the USAF to 1966 "Air Police," then from 1966 to 1997 it was "Security Police," from 1997 to Present "Security Forces." Until the next Air Force General wants to call it something else....
Rewind the tape at 666 to decode Nathan's killer. Vicks friend named the cooperate. Flight or fight tactic. Flashback. During his intelligence he directed it to fit his tactic. However I used tactics back.
Colonel Ray Jane - US Air Force Lieutenant (Retired) ? Is this like Frank Drebbin from Police Squad ... Sergeant Frank Drebbin - Detective Lieutenant, Police Squad..... when asked why he was both a Sergeant and a Lieutenant, I am told Leslie Nielsen said, without missing a beat, "Sergeant" was his first name.
Huh? The F-117 owes nothing to the F-102 or 106. The bottom conformation is totally different, even the Delta wing is radically different. The 117 owes more to the RCS modelling program than it does to the F-102. The guy retired in the 70's and knows nothing whatsoever about the 117. You might want to get some of the Lockheed flight and design engineers out here to chat about the design considerations in the 117. That approximate delta wing configuration on the 117 arose out of design some trade-offs between radar return geometry and aerodynamic lift. Seems like a nice guy but totally out of his depth.
I get the sense he's referring to the area rule concept, and he's assuming that it has been incorporated into the design of all supersonic aircraft designs since then. The F-117 was subsonic, so he may be technically correct even if he's wrong about that one plane.
Hi Jell-O. It was nice of you, but I couldn't see any reason for you to apologise for anything. You can't please all of the people all of the time, and some of them just can't help getting offended by something!
You are correct, Robert. My intent was to point out the feedback in case others were thinking the other thing, I tried not to actually apologize but rather thank the concerned party for the feedback.
@@FighterPilotPodcast you were just trying to keep the peace, just like in your navy days! By the way, maybe you've found yourself a Bronco pilot! Keep up the great work!
We mentioned that at the start...can’t always get studio quality given the challenges of recording locations at our guests locations and the limitations of recording mediums, but we’ll continue to strive for better in the future, don’t you worry!
The guy or gal who wrote you the unreal email is at a woman's and or joe biden rally right now with a bull horn yelling "our body our choice"..... :) I know you laughed but cant respond as to ruffle some feathers on here .... :) I crack myself up
Jello, your kind and respectful interview of Col Jane is a credit to you (and your parents efforts years ago). Well done.
Well that's about as good a compliment I could hope for. Thank you.
Unrelated but FYI, this guest passed away a few months after this interview aired.
"It doesn't matter how well you do the wrong thing." Great Jell-O-ism!
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Great comment
Great episode. love the century series. Always a pleasure to listen to mr Bruce Gordon, he is amazing. The F-102 Delta Dagger was also in service in my country Greece as well as in Turkey. I've seen retired F-102s from close, big and imposing aircraft.
The 102s also saw a bit of service during Vietnam in the 60s. They served mainly as bomber escorts for the B-52s. 14 were lost, one of them shot down by a MiG-21.
This channel is a real hidden gem. It's so hard to find good aviation podcasts, and the fact that it concerns military craft across so many time periods directly from the personnel that actually operated those aircraft is amazing.
42:10 delta wings tend to have good low speed control due to the vortex lift they have, and also tend to bleed off airspeed much quicker than other wing shapes...they usually have good supersonic performance(very thin wing thickness to cord length Ratio), good deceleration when increasing aoa and good slow speed control( of course given enough power and low enough wing loading) but suffer more in sustained turn performance compared to other wings(due to their higher lift to drag ratio)☝️
Bruce Gordon is a National Treasure.
Thank you for asking my question concerning the F-15 centerline external fuel tank. I guess my models will have to jettison than centerline. Awesome show Jello. My favorite airplane Podcast!!!
Thought I would go back and re-listen to this episode in memory of Colonel Jane. Excellent interview, I really enjoyed learning about the Delta Dagger.
Love Bruce Gordon, check out his great YT channel.
Vincent, thank you for the interview! Salute to 91 year old honorable col. Ray Janes and want to thank him for the story! Salute to maj. Bruce Gordon with his story about F-102! And by the way the picture of the video has two mistakes in the name and the rank of col. Ray Janes!
Another great episode!!!!! Keep them coming. Love listening to these older pilots.
32:20 I was not quite doing Mach 2.5 but when I was maybe 17, practicing forced landings during a training area solo over Western Sydney (Australia) in a PA-38 Tomahawk, I got back to the flying school the CFI (Chief flying instructor) was having a chuckle and asked how low below 500ft AGL was I gliding the plane to before re-applying power? I pretended to be dumb and said I understood the instruction was to practice down to 500ft as displayed on the altimeter, elevation out there is just over 200ft. Anyway, the farm I was using as my target for the landing was near an egg laying chicken factory. They got my rego, called the regulators who called the flying school. They were convinced I scared the chooks so much that hardly any of them laid eggs the next day.
BRUCE IS AWESOME! It’d be interesting to have him walk around and fly in a 4th gen jet to get his perspective of how far airframes and technologies have come. As mentioned in other comments already, Bruce is a national treasure
The F-102 and F-106 shared the same "double flight stick"! almost like a spaceship
landing the delta dagger on icy runways must have required balls of steel. a good question for next episode would be if these aircraft had any sort of anti skid (and how efective it was).
Bruce has such good stories. His voice is like, well, he has good stories. I hated schools that used chalk boards. The way the chalk would screech…
Taking of air shows and smoking. A friend of mine was a tech with the 2009 CF-18 Demo Team and he was doing an A Check after the pilot had flown a member of the media. The jet was being fuelled at the time and after the reporter got out of his flightsuit, he lit a cigarette. My eyes went wide open, then my friend saw this, and kindly asked him to put it out. Not to mention the "no smoking" signs on the fuel truck. Lol
Awesome! I've been looking forward to this one :)
I worked at an FBO for many years and can tell you that we have done the throwing of a lit match into jet fuel and yup, it won’t light. For training the fire department needed use a propane blow torch just to get the fuel to boil on the surface and then become a fine mist/vapor before it would light off. Much the same as diesel which is in the same hazmat category.
Good to know, Dan, thanks. 👍
Awesome! Although it's kind of a shame you weren't able to get into the SAGE Radar & system, since that's (what I've read) the half of the system that makes the 102 as effective as it was. But that might be another hour program. I will always see the 102 and 106 as "Futuristic" looking, even by today's standards. It is indeed interesting how the very basic shape of these two could be seen in the F-117.
Really great stuff, I have subscribed to the podcasts on Spotify!
Thank you!
Good work, as always. Can't wait for the episode "Thud"!
As for the sensitive one(s): Sounded like an honest mistake. "...The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena;...but who does actually strive to do the deeds...
Thank goodness for Theodore Roosevelt!
My only criticism is that from a very short episode of 55 minutes almost 20 have been audiences question. Don't get me wrong here. It's wonderful to ask and get a answer. And I have no right or will say something bad about the podcast but please write the time stamp for the guest where it starts.
We figure a little treasure hunt sweetens the reward of finding the interview.
@@FighterPilotPodcast I was really struggling to write it. Didn't want to be rude or disrespectful. I think this was the first episode that had so many questions. So after the first 15 minutes I lost my coolness.
Didn't you say that you would put links in the show notes to Bruce Gordon's socials Jell-O?
If so, where?
Hyperlinks get removed in UA-cam. Google Bruce Gordon fighter pilot.
Did you skip over the North American F-100 Super Sabre, or was it in a past episode? Seems like it would be first up in the Century Series of Fighters...
It was episode 100.
ua-cam.com/video/rSWkuRL88HU/v-deo.html
@@johns.7609 ...uh, no, episode 100 was our centennial episode celebration.
Yes we did, Chris, but there was never an F-103 so hold that thought one more episode...
Excellent...that was one of my Dad’s planes, so looking forward to that one!
@@chrischapin2936 i LOVE the looks of the f100..... it is my favorite looking jet
I was thinking it too.
17:42 that is the exact reasons we take 2 wings over a center line in DCS flight sim
less drag and more fuel
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and i think we figured out the drag thing by experimenting in the sim..... so DCS must be pretty close lol
Evidently it is. 👍
I remember trying to do an AWACS intercept in the Eagle in DCS once, and decided to bring just a centerline tank because it'd be faster. Hit the sound barrier like a brick and didn't go anywhere till I jettisoned that thing. Very eye opening. Good to know that the configuration that looks better also works better! 👍
Inception of the USAF to 1966 "Air Police," then from 1966 to 1997 it was "Security Police," from 1997 to Present "Security Forces." Until the next Air Force General wants to call it something else....
Salute
JACK NORTHOP! YES !!!! WELL DONE
Rewind the tape at 666 to decode Nathan's killer. Vicks friend named the cooperate. Flight or fight tactic. Flashback. During his intelligence he directed it to fit his tactic. However I used tactics back.
Colonel Ray Jane - US Air Force Lieutenant (Retired) ? Is this like Frank Drebbin from Police Squad ... Sergeant Frank Drebbin - Detective Lieutenant, Police Squad..... when asked why he was both a Sergeant and a Lieutenant, I am told Leslie Nielsen said, without missing a beat, "Sergeant" was his first name.
My dad flew the deuce. Kinross a.f.b.
They find that to be a problem
Any link to the shirts?
Www.fighterpilotpodcast.com, then head to the shop page.
What about the 106? :D It's my dads favorite fighter jet since his USAF days back in the 80ies. Would be a pleasure to see something about it haha
there will be an episode as part of this series.
@@johns.7609 Cool
John is correct. In fact, it might be episode 106... 😉
@@FighterPilotPodcast Hehe, thank you guys and keep up your great work!
full time Jell-O podcastin'.. oh man!
They say they don't like me because of mrs. congenuality the movie Mrs. Comparing the character of Sandra bullock
I need to take martial arts over again
I like f-102.
Huh? The F-117 owes nothing to the F-102 or 106. The bottom conformation is totally different, even the Delta wing is radically different. The 117 owes more to the RCS modelling program than it does to the F-102. The guy retired in the 70's and knows nothing whatsoever about the 117. You might want to get some of the Lockheed flight and design engineers out here to chat about the design considerations in the 117. That approximate delta wing configuration on the 117 arose out of design some trade-offs between radar return geometry and aerodynamic lift. Seems like a nice guy but totally out of his depth.
I get the sense he's referring to the area rule concept, and he's assuming that it has been incorporated into the design of all supersonic aircraft designs since then. The F-117 was subsonic, so he may be technically correct even if he's wrong about that one plane.
Well it did have wings, so related to the Wright flyer .
Sounds like "stone cold" steve austin
Google Steve Canyon, season 1 episode 1
The TF-102 also went by the nickname the “Tub.”
There is a TF-102 at the Grissom Air Museum, Peru, Indiana. They claim George W Bush flew in it.
Although I like the guy, it is extremely hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that he flew an aircraft. Ever. Let alone supersonic delta.
Hi Jell-O. It was nice of you, but I couldn't see any reason for you to apologise for anything. You can't please all of the people all of the time, and some of them just can't help getting offended by something!
You are correct, Robert. My intent was to point out the feedback in case others were thinking the other thing, I tried not to actually apologize but rather thank the concerned party for the feedback.
@@FighterPilotPodcast you were just trying to keep the peace, just like in your navy days! By the way, maybe you've found yourself a Bronco pilot! Keep up the great work!
Mirage iii is Better
Terrible sound
Which sound?
I think he’s referring to your guest???
We mentioned that at the start...can’t always get studio quality given the challenges of recording locations at our guests locations and the limitations of recording mediums, but we’ll continue to strive for better in the future, don’t you worry!
Worst episode ever.
The guy or gal who wrote you the unreal email is at a woman's and or joe biden rally right now with a bull horn yelling "our body our choice"..... :) I know you laughed but cant respond as to ruffle some feathers on here .... :) I crack myself up