Top 5 video in 2024: Number #2. - F22 Raptor Number #1. - J7E Reason: The F22 suffers such great energy loss in turns. - Seeker All jokes aside, good video. 🤣
I like the F-4s. They’re by no means the best, but I think they’re neat; nice balance between a support plane that can help team mates and a decent dog fighter in the right situation. Kinda feels like the perfect ‘learning top tier’ plane for pilots who wanna sharpen skills
Im absolutelt not new to top tier, but extremely new to radar missiles, so im not quite used to the 11.3 top tier yet. Just unlocked the AIM7Fs on the EJ Kai, but i cant use them for shit and it pisses me off. I dont really know how to approach a fight with radar missiles and it really hurts
@@bruhdealer3505 Fire them beyond 7km from your target. The 7Fs have a longer burn time than the E2s, but don’t turn as well. So you’ll want to be further from your target, ideally between 7 and 14 km. Frankly they’ll be more useful if you position yourself well before the furball starts. Since you have a PD radar, staying low to the ground should give you a decent advantage. Fire those 7Fs when the enemy is flying towards you. I do this with the F-4J and it works pretty well for me.
Before the PL-5B "buff" (when the missile was too fast to turn), at 5k alt, I used to consistently get kills as far as 7km. It was wild getting almost BVR kills with an IR missile.
*The J-7E is by far my personal favourite* I can't really describe what it is that makes it so pleasing to fly, but it just feels like what I would have imagined an F-16 to be, in terms of fligh performance/handling
It is good, I played with it a lot, but not any more after its repair cost goes beyond 20000 and all those AIM-7Fs flying in the air...Now my personal favorite is the Mirage2k, you should really try it out
@@uiop7204 yeah but the repair cost is high bc that plane actually lives through most wins. It's not like the f14 where you're gonna get a lot of kills but you're also gonna have a ton of deaths. You can really survive in the j7e
The F-16 cropped-delta wing and the J-7E double delta, as far as War Thhunder goes, will have pretty similar configurations. I'm kind of curious to see how the J-10C and the Rafale will perform.
As someone who's only flown (and finally spaded) the F-104S ASA out of this list, I have to say I'm very torn on its inclusion. On one hand, I've done extremely well with it in some battles, wiping four people within about ten seconds and then supporting my team to victory. On the other, I've been SARH'd into oblivion more times than I can count, I've been tunnel-visioned and obliterated by the entire enemy team, and I've been on the receiving end of more "me against the world" battles than I'd like thanks to shit teams. The F-104S ASA cannot carry battles, it simply cannot. However, it CAN be a lot of fun when your enemies aren't paying enough attention, and you get the rare instance of being able to rack up kill after kill.
I think 4 9Ls have a massive impact to play for your team, especially considering you almost always fight f-14s. Get behind one and fire a 9L and there’s literally nothing it can do about it. if the match maker wasn’t all f-14s and if 9Ls weren’t so strong, it wouldn’t have made it
@@SeekerHead Oh yeah, blind F-14As were Lima bait, and that was fantastic. Problem was, getting on their six and hoping they're blind is not the most reliable strategy. It's my main issue with the F-104S ASA. It's a fantastic plane in top-tier... if your enemies aren't that good. If they are, and especially of your team isn't, it's a nightmare to play.
it doesn’t really matter if they’re blind or not, if u fire from behind there’s literally nothing left they can do to not die, and the chance of them being able to keep u off of their 6 the entirety of the match without dying to someone else or contributing nothing to their own team is pretty much 0. just a tough time to be an f-14 if there’s an ASA or harrier in the match
When the ASA was first added I did incredibly well with it, but now I really never do well with it, idk if i've just lost my edge or what but it seems to not be as good as it used to be
The F5E is still a very strong plane imo, you can fly around people as much as you want, exept J7E but most of the time you'll be able to get him and it is always a great dogfight :D
His previous video he said the F-5E was low key the best plane, but I think he just loves the insane thrust and cracked PL-5Bs too much to give it an honorable mention anymore.
@@MrConceito F5E is damn good but it gets dusted by an F14, M2000, J7E and if the MLD then its sort of tough but in a sustained dogfight the MLD will just stomp it
@@stefanmichaelsenzegarra5688 F-5E can hold Mach 0.98 without losing speed in a 9G turn, the only other plane that can do anything close to that is the J-7E. In a sustained turn fight the F-5E's energy retention at Mach 0.9 to Mach 1 is bonkers and you can just loop around in circles until the other guy drops down to 500kph and you can dust him from there. What helps a lot is that the vast majority of players at top tier will go full send and just hold down S in a dogfight with zero concern for their airspeed until they realise they're practically falling out of the sky whilst you're still doing Mach 0.9
What’s funny is I actually agree and I’ve never flown the J7-E. I have the MLA, F14, Mirage 2000 and Viggen and nothing scares me more than seeing a J7-E behind me because I know I’m fucked. No plane has better energy retention and maneuverability and even considering how long I’ve played, especially with the viggen, nothing compares.
Fr tho, the J7E is absolutely terrifying. But since I've gotten the Gr7, I haven't lost a dogfight yet in terms of 1 circle. I've clapped mirages like they're easy, been wanting to find and fight a J7E in a enclosed environment. If anything could beat the J7E I'd think the Gr7 could honestly do it done right
@@jacobdewey2053 I already did a 1v1 against a mirage 2k in sim just a few days ago. In the end I still managed to barely beat him but it did show the 2k has more to offer. GR7 has a better first turn while the mirage of course has better consistent turns. Either way i wouldn't mind doing another 1v1 against another pilot. If your fine doing it in sim that is It even gave me one of my best kills in months lmao,
My F-104A flying pencil can completely out-dogfight any J-7E. It has the superior missile loadout (2x Aim-9b's that have cracked range) and the better turning circle at 200 football fields instead of the measly 2 football fields. I don't know what you're on Mr. Seeker Head but I think the F-104A is the best plane in the game.
Im honestly a fan of the Japanese F-1, idk why but just feels really good in combat, and turns way faster than advertised on its stat card all while having Aim-9P’s
it's good to see you are using Bangaldesh Air Foce camo for J-7E note that F-7BGI is the most advanced and last production version of J-7 family and it's modified and exported to Bangaldesh ❤️
I agree with your comments on the Mirage 2000. a 4x R.550 Magic 2 loadout would be great for it. Unfortunately, despite being 30 Gs instead of 25, I still prefer AIM-7Fs over the Super 530Ds. In my experience the 7Fs are actually harder to dodge, because for some reason it feels like the 530Ds overlead really hard sometimes like the AIM-9L used to do. They're great most of the time, but due to the inconsistency I'd rather have AIM-7Fs... or 2x more Magic 2s.
Maybe in the meta, but I've found relatively careful shots with the 530D are extremely reliable. The difference I've found with 7Fs is that on most other planes, you just get more of them, so you can afford to miss one or two and still get kills with the rest.
i don't understand why the 530 are so slow ingame too, i understand higher drag when the motor runs out, but it should be hauling ass as longs as the motor is burning
@@nicolaspeigne1429 it definitely gets fast eventually, probably faster than an AIM-7F. But since it’s motor doesn’t last as long, it’s only at a higher speed for a short duration while the AIM-7F continues chugging along at high speed with its sustainer motor
I use 4 Phoenix 2 7F and 2 9H loadout, which is USN standard loadout, and manual radar targetting. Avoid dogfight unless its a 1v1. Fox 3 is amazing if you launch it above 5000m and give it long enough distance to accelerate. The secret of this loadout is that once you get rid of all of the Fox 3s (which should be much faster than Fox 1s), you are much lighter than those carrying 4 7F, which I figure constantly surprises enemy trying to dogfight me. Another surprise is the flap, when its slow enough to deploy your combat flap, you can out turn everyone.
Mirage unfortunately makes sense. The 530D’s are Aim-7M equivalent, but the radar is closer to that of a Hornet than an Eagle (which BTW will be broken when it comes). Very limited in range and capability. As for J-7E it actually IRL in Pakistan was touted as going head to head with Eagles in war games in an ACM scenario. It’ll shine less when everyone gets good IR missiles.
surprised the EJ Kai didn’t make the list, i know it’s a phantom with average IR missiles but man that radar and 7F combo is disgusting. if it ever gets 9L/AAM3 i could see it being anywhere in current the top 3
1-4 I agree with mostly. I would strongly disagree with having the F104 anywhere near a top tier list. If it had a more normal RWR it would be fine, but having to guess where SARH shots are coming from is painful even if 9l's are quite good. I'd give 5th to the f4ej kai(best of the PD phantoms) or mabye the j8b(with pl5's. Radar isnt good enough to justify taking the aspides and only have 2 IR missiles). Both have their own issues but are more reliable, can still mop up lots of kills early match, and have a much better potential to close out games that end up close than the pencil.
Amazing video!! Idk if they have the exact Pakistan version of the J7 they call it F7 PG now it's a reserve aircraft but in their heyday they added the Aim 9s to these bad boys 😎😎
I like this list and agree with 1 and 2 especially, but I feel like the bis-SAU and J8B deserve a spot somewhere, but I just don't know where. Then again that may just be because of my playstyle.
For the MLD, you can slave your R60s to the IRST, the extra AOA to keep lock inside the gimble limit or just outside of it ;). The SAAB 35XS has the same thing. The RB24Js are absolutely leathal at 3km and if you arent spotted and use just outside the edge of the limit for lead! Ground out most of the tree in a very short amount of time with that one. Not many flares with the trade off of only needing one at a time if you cut your afterburner. This video seems to be Jets you hate lol.
Way too many people sleep on the J7E and think it's just another MiG-21 until they're absolutely slapped around by it. I've had way too many F-14 players thinking they can just ratefight it like they can with pretty much every other plane.
Hey seeker, I know you think that the J7E is really good, and I would have to agree, but could you do a dogfight on the channel between it and an F5E just to see how they stack up against each other because I believe the F5E is a top 5 plane
I agree that it’s flight performance is near on par with the j7E, it just really lacks in the missile department. The j7E gets 4 pl5s with 30gs of overload whereas the f5 only gets 2 aim9Js with only 20gs of overload
the harrier is a subsonic 11.0 that bleeds speed like a delta. It’s solely carried by 9Ls, the flight performance otherwise would never let it be competitive. Somewhat of the same story on the asa, except you know, it actually goes fast
@@SeekerHead maybe so yes, but the harrier has a lot of charm, it has a great angle of attack, great turnrate with a boost of its vtol abilities. It has 2 great canons, and powerful cas abilities if sb wants to grind other aircrafts out. F104? Its a flying pencil it doesnt have any advantages besides its speed. Playing harrier 7 with lets say aim G would be actually doable and still fun. F104? not at all Adding to the fact that now basically everything wich is not an f14 flies under 1k meters so speed difference is marginal imo
no matter how much you “know how to use it” or how you fly it, it’s flight performance is simply inferior to the M2K, J7 and f14 in every single metric. Even the MLA/MLD have some very large exploitations over it
There is no way nobody has mentioned the Scimitar. *ok hear me out* The engine power it has can get it at like 700mph in no time at all and the climb rate is insane, maneuverability is alright apart from the slight lazy rudder. In my opinion it shines the most in Operation maps like Vietnam and such In short, you can outspeed and outclimb almost everything in every match you will be in and you have enough fire power to nuke a small country and the aim 9bs are useful occasionally Play it as a boom and zoomer and you will rake kills like its nothing im currently 44-9 with it. Researching tier 4 mods and still have a free repair left 😂 Honorable mention: Meteor G41K
1. F-14 2 or 3. M2K, MLD 4. J7E 5. EJ Kai seeker, if u can make a genuine video on why the J7E is still the best i would love to tune in to that vid compared to the M2K
this comment is a bit late but TBH I think that the aim 9 H is not bad. It's close to the exact same as an aim 9 G but it performs as good if not better than the aim 9 J because of how you can use it's high FOV on the f14 paired with it's radar.
I prefer the JA-37 it's just got that double Delta of the draken (at a weaker angle) but it has the engine power of the 2000. Plus the missiles are really good and the radar will stick to anything and very rarely loose lock
I must be doing something very wrong cause you say that IR missiles are the most important thing right now, while I go out with my f14 and force head-on owning everyone with amazing radar and great aim7-fs. I cant fathom how the IR missiles can win in radar meta. Even from behind the enemy I find the aim7 is a lot more effective than any IR missile. Am I completely lost? Please, throw me some rope on this issue.
From my experience, the MLA beats the J7e in a sustained dogfight by a close margin, the J7e is better in the one circle though and definitely more survivable.
The MLA wins if it manages to completely deplete the J7s speed. The problem is that when doing that the J7 gets at least 3 shots in before that happens, which is 3 opportunities to win before the MLA can. If the J7 misses or doesn’t take advantage of those chances though, then yeah the MLA will eventually be able to just hold S
@@SeekerHead Valid point, I am an average player but I had dogfights in a MLA with J7e's taking them two circle and was able to just avoid the guns every time by taking them into spirals and forcing the rate fight, even at low speeds, and was out rating the J7e with wings fully swept forward. I believe the MLA is a superior dogfighter when it comes to two circle rate fighting. Anyway thanks for responding Seeker Head ❤
"besides the F14 nothing rivals the J-7E's flight performance" Personally in every dogfight i had in my J-7E against any cat, ive yet to lose an actual dogfight, the J-7E often outrates the tomcat easily. (Just an fyi, this is from a sim player's perspective)
First of all I use a joystick so getting gun kills with some aircraft is more difficult than using a mouse (a few aircraft flop around like a fish on land) ..and I'm not that good and don't take it too seriously. Anyway I haven't got the J7E, so for me I'd say 1: Mig 23MLD, 2: F14, 3: Viggen, 4: Mirage 2000, 5: maybe F104 asa or Mig 21bis. However I wouldn't say these are my favourites or what I do best in.
i swear u could literally add some plane that beats out the J7E in every way this man would still be adamant about it being the best when it clearly isn't
Problem is flight performance wise currently there is nothing that beats the J7 in every way. it’s actually the opposite, the J7 out performs everything but the F-14 in every single metric. The PL5s are also extremely meta missiles imo bc the way u get kills in top tier is people don’t know ur shooting at them. PL5 is a perfect recipe for that, only being beaten out in this regard by the R24T, but u can only carry 2 of those.
Saying the viggen cannot outdogfight the J7E is not factual, I don't know if I'm fighting a5c players in disguise or I'm a competent pilot, but I've very rarely been out done by any plane at top tier, and this was just in the aj37 which has to carry 1 gunpod on one wing and a flare pod on the other. Had some struggles with mig23 players but never died to them in the 1v1 dogfight and the same goes for the J7E
My top tier is 1.F-14 2. mirage2000 3. phantom ej kai 4. mig 23 mla/mld 5. Viggen but that is for sim bcs i hate playing realistic battles where it actually have nothing in comon with realism so i play sim to have atleast a bit of it and there for top tier you need to have good radar and radar missiles other wise everyone is gonna out range you and a side a good ir missile for close fight when u already merge with someone.
The F-14 I would put at first it does have that flaw whith flares but once you learn to notch IRs while just cutting burner and a few flares it’s pretty damn good
The MLD is my favorite top tier plane. It suits my playstyle. I'm either super aggressive with my 24R's or im playing sneaky aggressive with the 24T's and I absolutely love energy trapping / forcing people to fight on my terms when i get the chance to 1v1. I say this, the MLD can still hold it's own against the F14 if you fly it right. Yea the F14 can do everything you can do but better but the MLD has better energy retention in the long run if you can survive the first 2 turns. Most F14 pilots i've fought, bleed all of their energy trying to pull AOA but that can get you killed easily. P.S J7E is still the best top tier jet. The flight performance is just cracked.
Agree with everything except J-7, of course. It doesn’t have good gun and it simply has only 4 missiles, so F-14 definitely beats him in terms of top-1 plane, imo even mirage is better right now than the J-7
the J8 is good but it’s just a mig21 with 4 PL5s. i wouldn’t personally grind china just for the j7, mig29 is coming out soon anyway, but if you want go for it
I disagree with your assessment of the 9Hs. I think them having almost the same G pull as 9Js but having such a larger FOV makes them still quite useful if you know how to lead them out on unsuspecting targets. I tend to get kills with more than half of my 9H launches. I'd put them at tier 2 on your scale personally.
11:25 Turning off the engine works but you need to manage your energy like a fucking god until your engines come back on other than that yeah it's pretty bs. F-14 is great besides that! Edit: Aim-9H is a pretty lack luster missile, loses lock easily. Yeah it's got range but that's all really going for it.
The F-22 could be added and still fall short of Seeker's glorious J7E.
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Yup. He will be head of the J7E cult...
I want them to add rank 8 and have to e 5th gen jets ther
give j7e radar and radar missiles (maybe post-doppler) and bamn. you have a 5th gen jet right there
Top 5 video in 2024:
Number #2. - F22 Raptor
Number #1. - J7E
Reason: The F22 suffers such great energy loss in turns. - Seeker
All jokes aside, good video. 🤣
2024:
#2 - F22
#1 - J20
@@arking2868 J7e.
J7E at 12.7
@@appa609 F14, Mirage 2000, MLD/MLA at 12.0. J7E 11.3
I like the F-4s. They’re by no means the best, but I think they’re neat; nice balance between a support plane that can help team mates and a decent dog fighter in the right situation. Kinda feels like the perfect ‘learning top tier’ plane for pilots who wanna sharpen skills
they got buffed yeah, one of the best dogfighters in the game currently is the f4e
Im absolutelt not new to top tier, but extremely new to radar missiles, so im not quite used to the 11.3 top tier yet. Just unlocked the AIM7Fs on the EJ Kai, but i cant use them for shit and it pisses me off. I dont really know how to approach a fight with radar missiles and it really hurts
@@bruhdealer3505 Hey, go check another video of seeker head's "how to evade radar missiles"
@@graver6862 thanks for the recommendation, it's a great video and I've seen it quite a few times!
@@bruhdealer3505 Fire them beyond 7km from your target. The 7Fs have a longer burn time than the E2s, but don’t turn as well. So you’ll want to be further from your target, ideally between 7 and 14 km. Frankly they’ll be more useful if you position yourself well before the furball starts. Since you have a PD radar, staying low to the ground should give you a decent advantage. Fire those 7Fs when the enemy is flying towards you. I do this with the F-4J and it works pretty well for me.
Before the PL-5B "buff" (when the missile was too fast to turn), at 5k alt, I used to consistently get kills as far as 7km. It was wild getting almost BVR kills with an IR missile.
Yea lol it was like mini r24t
i saw a vedio that in the very early version,a guy use PL-5B to kill a Mig2x over 10km,that is really scary as a not radar missile
@@yuluoxianjun my highest was 11km on a viggen. He was at high alt aswell but he was slow
*The J-7E is by far my personal favourite*
I can't really describe what it is that makes it so pleasing to fly, but it just feels like what I would have imagined an F-16 to be, in terms of fligh performance/handling
It is good, I played with it a lot, but not any more after its repair cost goes beyond 20000 and all those AIM-7Fs flying in the air...Now my personal favorite is the Mirage2k, you should really try it out
@@uiop7204 yeah but the repair cost is high bc that plane actually lives through most wins. It's not like the f14 where you're gonna get a lot of kills but you're also gonna have a ton of deaths. You can really survive in the j7e
@@Thanksforbeingyou No jet should have a repair cost that high, doesn't matter how good it is. This is pure laziness from Gaijin.
The F-16 cropped-delta wing and the J-7E double delta, as far as War Thhunder goes, will have pretty similar configurations. I'm kind of curious to see how the J-10C and the Rafale will perform.
@@wolfpack571 Pretty much like a better mirage2000 or Viggen i guess
As someone who's only flown (and finally spaded) the F-104S ASA out of this list, I have to say I'm very torn on its inclusion. On one hand, I've done extremely well with it in some battles, wiping four people within about ten seconds and then supporting my team to victory. On the other, I've been SARH'd into oblivion more times than I can count, I've been tunnel-visioned and obliterated by the entire enemy team, and I've been on the receiving end of more "me against the world" battles than I'd like thanks to shit teams. The F-104S ASA cannot carry battles, it simply cannot. However, it CAN be a lot of fun when your enemies aren't paying enough attention, and you get the rare instance of being able to rack up kill after kill.
I think 4 9Ls have a massive impact to play for your team, especially considering you almost always fight f-14s. Get behind one and fire a 9L and there’s literally nothing it can do about it. if the match maker wasn’t all f-14s and if 9Ls weren’t so strong, it wouldn’t have made it
@@SeekerHead Oh yeah, blind F-14As were Lima bait, and that was fantastic. Problem was, getting on their six and hoping they're blind is not the most reliable strategy.
It's my main issue with the F-104S ASA. It's a fantastic plane in top-tier... if your enemies aren't that good. If they are, and especially of your team isn't, it's a nightmare to play.
it doesn’t really matter if they’re blind or not, if u fire from behind there’s literally nothing left they can do to not die, and the chance of them being able to keep u off of their 6 the entirety of the match without dying to someone else or contributing nothing to their own team is pretty much 0. just a tough time to be an f-14 if there’s an ASA or harrier in the match
When the ASA was first added I did incredibly well with it, but now I really never do well with it, idk if i've just lost my edge or what but it seems to not be as good as it used to be
Viggen is my favorite plane as I fly with a friend in his F-14 works really well as a support fighter
The F5E is still a very strong plane imo, you can fly around people as much as you want, exept J7E but most of the time you'll be able to get him and it is always a great dogfight :D
His previous video he said the F-5E was low key the best plane, but I think he just loves the insane thrust and cracked PL-5Bs too much to give it an honorable mention anymore.
@@MrConceito F5E is damn good but it gets dusted by an F14, M2000, J7E and if the MLD then its sort of tough but in a sustained dogfight the MLD will just stomp it
yeah,but 9J now is not that good in top tier now
its not in the meta but its hell of a fun to fly. still better than f4f f4e ect ofc or mig21bis those are just bad.
@@stefanmichaelsenzegarra5688 F-5E can hold Mach 0.98 without losing speed in a 9G turn, the only other plane that can do anything close to that is the J-7E. In a sustained turn fight the F-5E's energy retention at Mach 0.9 to Mach 1 is bonkers and you can just loop around in circles until the other guy drops down to 500kph and you can dust him from there.
What helps a lot is that the vast majority of players at top tier will go full send and just hold down S in a dogfight with zero concern for their airspeed until they realise they're practically falling out of the sky whilst you're still doing Mach 0.9
Bis SAU is my favourite personally! i really struggle in the F-14, and MLA is still a monster! But i have the most fun in the GR.7
Same, the 25mm is insane
Good to know you're still the king of the J-7E fan club.
What’s funny is I actually agree and I’ve never flown the J7-E. I have the MLA, F14, Mirage 2000 and Viggen and nothing scares me more than seeing a J7-E behind me because I know I’m fucked. No plane has better energy retention and maneuverability and even considering how long I’ve played, especially with the viggen, nothing compares.
Keep energy full.-----J Tzu
Fr tho, the J7E is absolutely terrifying. But since I've gotten the Gr7, I haven't lost a dogfight yet in terms of 1 circle. I've clapped mirages like they're easy, been wanting to find and fight a J7E in a enclosed environment. If anything could beat the J7E I'd think the Gr7 could honestly do it done right
@@sniperh2o325 I'll 1v1 your Gr.7 in my mirage 2k and beat you if you want
@@jacobdewey2053 I already did a 1v1 against a mirage 2k in sim just a few days ago. In the end I still managed to barely beat him but it did show the 2k has more to offer. GR7 has a better first turn while the mirage of course has better consistent turns. Either way i wouldn't mind doing another 1v1 against another pilot. If your fine doing it in sim that is
It even gave me one of my best kills in months lmao,
My F-104A flying pencil can completely out-dogfight any J-7E. It has the superior missile loadout (2x Aim-9b's that have cracked range) and the better turning circle at 200 football fields instead of the measly 2 football fields. I don't know what you're on Mr. Seeker Head but I think the F-104A is the best plane in the game.
Exactly. Also 104 > 7, F is before J and A is before E. In conclusion strong F-104A outeverything J-7E.
@@kayrxx7123 precisely.
The f104 also has a way cooler brrrr gun vs the j7Es lame ratatata gun
@@thatguynk8044 exactly
I cant tell if this is sarcasm cuz im not top tier but if it is it is very funny
1:46 I felt that getting a kill thinking you alone and going to base then getting shot from the sky
For me
1. Mirage 2K
2. J7E
3. F14
4.MIG 23
5.PD F4’s
Hey seeker head it’s great seeing your Growth on UA-cam and I hope you get even more!
Im honestly a fan of the Japanese F-1, idk why but just feels really good in combat, and turns way faster than advertised on its stat card all while having Aim-9P’s
18:20 beautiful. 4 tunel vision thirsty players.. 4 pl5 missiles.. 4 kills..
average top tier gameplay
it's good to see you are using Bangaldesh Air Foce camo for J-7E
note that F-7BGI is the most advanced and last production version of J-7 family and it's modified and exported to Bangaldesh ❤️
just watched your new vid, had to come back to this one!! great vids!!!
I agree with your comments on the Mirage 2000. a 4x R.550 Magic 2 loadout would be great for it. Unfortunately, despite being 30 Gs instead of 25, I still prefer AIM-7Fs over the Super 530Ds. In my experience the 7Fs are actually harder to dodge, because for some reason it feels like the 530Ds overlead really hard sometimes like the AIM-9L used to do. They're great most of the time, but due to the inconsistency I'd rather have AIM-7Fs... or 2x more Magic 2s.
nope
Maybe in the meta, but I've found relatively careful shots with the 530D are extremely reliable. The difference I've found with 7Fs is that on most other planes, you just get more of them, so you can afford to miss one or two and still get kills with the rest.
@@TheAmazingCowpig nah I feel like they're also just better, as well as being more difficult to notch
i don't understand why the 530 are so slow ingame too, i understand higher drag when the motor runs out, but it should be hauling ass as longs as the motor is burning
@@nicolaspeigne1429 it definitely gets fast eventually, probably faster than an AIM-7F. But since it’s motor doesn’t last as long, it’s only at a higher speed for a short duration while the AIM-7F continues chugging along at high speed with its sustainer motor
I use 4 Phoenix 2 7F and 2 9H loadout, which is USN standard loadout, and manual radar targetting. Avoid dogfight unless its a 1v1. Fox 3 is amazing if you launch it above 5000m and give it long enough distance to accelerate. The secret of this loadout is that once you get rid of all of the Fox 3s (which should be much faster than Fox 1s), you are much lighter than those carrying 4 7F, which I figure constantly surprises enemy trying to dogfight me. Another surprise is the flap, when its slow enough to deploy your combat flap, you can out turn everyone.
thanks for this helpful tip
Nice video, now make a top 5 worst jets in war thunder
Mirage unfortunately makes sense. The 530D’s are Aim-7M equivalent, but the radar is closer to that of a Hornet than an Eagle (which BTW will be broken when it comes). Very limited in range and capability.
As for J-7E it actually IRL in Pakistan was touted as going head to head with Eagles in war games in an ACM scenario. It’ll shine less when everyone gets good IR missiles.
surprised the EJ Kai didn’t make the list, i know it’s a phantom with average IR missiles but man that radar and 7F combo is disgusting. if it ever gets 9L/AAM3 i could see it being anywhere in current the top 3
But it is a buss so can’t dogfight at all
No point in playing the EJ kai when the f-14 does the radar/7F even better, has more of them, and actualllg has good flight performance
@@SeekerHead so true the f14 does everything better but I don’t enjoy the f14 anymore 0 fun I much rather play the f8e
JUST CAME FROM THE OTHER VID BUT AGAIN WOOOOOO LOVE THE CONTENT SEEEEEEEK
Gr.7 is just so fun , going full hover and launching a aim-9l like a helicopter is the funniest part
1-4 I agree with mostly. I would strongly disagree with having the F104 anywhere near a top tier list. If it had a more normal RWR it would be fine, but having to guess where SARH shots are coming from is painful even if 9l's are quite good. I'd give 5th to the f4ej kai(best of the PD phantoms) or mabye the j8b(with pl5's. Radar isnt good enough to justify taking the aspides and only have 2 IR missiles). Both have their own issues but are more reliable, can still mop up lots of kills early match, and have a much better potential to close out games that end up close than the pencil.
Amazing video!! Idk if they have the exact Pakistan version of the J7 they call it F7 PG now it's a reserve aircraft but in their heyday they added the Aim 9s to these bad boys 😎😎
I like this list and agree with 1 and 2 especially, but I feel like the bis-SAU and J8B deserve a spot somewhere, but I just don't know where. Then again that may just be because of my playstyle.
9:20 in the vid he says “Darge Sarge” good one seek 😂😂😂
For the MLD, you can slave your R60s to the IRST, the extra AOA to keep lock inside the gimble limit or just outside of it ;). The SAAB 35XS has the same thing. The RB24Js are absolutely leathal at 3km and if you arent spotted and use just outside the edge of the limit for lead! Ground out most of the tree in a very short amount of time with that one. Not many flares with the trade off of only needing one at a time if you cut your afterburner. This video seems to be Jets you hate lol.
F8E is soooo underrated ! (70% victory, mostly at top tier, 5 K/D ratio)
For me
1. F14
2. Mirage 2000
3. MLD/MLA
4. J7E
5. Phantoms
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@@vascoiraola5209 Personal preference
@@DeadSkyWT 🤭
I still play the F4e sometimes, always a fun time with it
Way too many people sleep on the J7E and think it's just another MiG-21 until they're absolutely slapped around by it. I've had way too many F-14 players thinking they can just ratefight it like they can with pretty much every other plane.
Hey seeker, I know you think that the J7E is really good, and I would have to agree, but could you do a dogfight on the channel between it and an F5E just to see how they stack up against each other because I believe the F5E is a top 5 plane
I agree that it’s flight performance is near on par with the j7E, it just really lacks in the missile department. The j7E gets 4 pl5s with 30gs of overload whereas the f5 only gets 2 aim9Js with only 20gs of overload
First off as an Italian main love the 104 love because the aim 9 Ls or amazing
Nice reversal on the tomcat with the f4e dawg
Haha, that quad kill was awesome!
Still love the F-5E. In my book it sits under the the 2000 and the bis sau after it
Man, no love for the kfir c7? Its so underrated and if played correctly can even be better than the mirage 2k
Best jet will always be the OV-10 Bronco. So good they took the jet engine away.
i would personaly say that the gr7 should be on this list as it is a little gremlin that you can't ignore
I've been having success in the MiG-21SMT. Cause premium aircraft lack the knowledge that SARH exists
OOOOOOO ASA!!! Hell yeah brüther. Also viggen stays losing 💪
All of us think on nr. 1 is the Mig 29, but its the j7e
The lack of harrier with a presence of f104 is the most disturbing thing I've witnessed today
the harrier is a subsonic 11.0 that bleeds speed like a delta. It’s solely carried by 9Ls, the flight performance otherwise would never let it be competitive. Somewhat of the same story on the asa, except you know, it actually goes fast
@@SeekerHead maybe so yes, but the harrier has a lot of charm, it has a great angle of attack, great turnrate with a boost of its vtol abilities. It has 2 great canons, and powerful cas abilities if sb wants to grind other aircrafts out.
F104? Its a flying pencil it doesnt have any advantages besides its speed.
Playing harrier 7 with lets say aim G would be actually doable and still fun.
F104? not at all
Adding to the fact that now basically everything wich is not an f14 flies under 1k meters so speed difference is marginal imo
can you do best American planes because I don't know what to focus on.
Top 5 IMO:
1. F14
2. J7E
3. Mirage 2000
4. Viggen
5. Mig 23 mla/mld
@iHip no it doesnt
Kfir c7 is my favourite. I have never lost a 1v1 against anything in it.
but in 15v15 chaos maneuvrability not the main thing
F5E is really good, and so is viggen. Make a dogfights video where you play J7 against another good player in the viggen F5E and F14
16:41 I know that guy was fuming after tracing a cutout of your jet with his Vulcan.
The viggen is Great with a pilot who knows how to use it. The fat freaking rudder = insane maneuvers
no matter how much you “know how to use it” or how you fly it, it’s flight performance is simply inferior to the M2K, J7 and f14 in every single metric. Even the MLA/MLD have some very large exploitations over it
Honestly I think the f14 not being able to flare missiles is another one of gaijins attempts to balance it unrealistically.
1- PO-2M
2- F-14
3- M2k
4- J-7E
5- MLD/A
Hm- Gr7
Don’t feel bad about bad audio, it sounds fine
There is no way nobody has mentioned the Scimitar. *ok hear me out*
The engine power it has can get it at like 700mph in no time at all and the climb rate is insane, maneuverability is alright apart from the slight lazy rudder. In my opinion it shines the most in Operation maps like Vietnam and such
In short, you can outspeed and outclimb almost everything in every match you will be in and you have enough fire power to nuke a small country and the aim 9bs are useful occasionally
Play it as a boom and zoomer and you will rake kills like its nothing im currently 44-9 with it. Researching tier 4 mods and still have a free repair left 😂
Honorable mention: Meteor G41K
J-7E Mentioned! LESSGOO!
1. F-14
2 or 3. M2K, MLD
4. J7E
5. EJ Kai
seeker, if u can make a genuine video on why the J7E is still the best i would love to tune in to that vid compared to the M2K
this comment is a bit late but TBH I think that the aim 9 H is not bad. It's close to the exact same as an aim 9 G but it performs as good if not better than the aim 9 J because of how you can use it's high FOV on the f14 paired with it's radar.
My glorious ASA!
J7E (weight power ratio is awsome)
F14A
Mirage 2000
MIG23MLD
Viggen
M2000 has the highest power to weight ratio out of them all
My top 3:
F14
Mirage 2000
F5E
I prefer the JA-37 it's just got that double Delta of the draken (at a weaker angle) but it has the engine power of the 2000. Plus the missiles are really good and the radar will stick to anything and very rarely loose lock
Only problem is the afterburner is thirstier than males on the 30th of november
@@jakobmax3299 that is true yes but so os the tomcats sadly so you just learn to take full tanks
@@jakobmax3299 LOL, how's it going? still going strong? :O
"will rarely lose a lock" yeah unless the enemy chaffs, moves, notches or does anything except go in a straight line
@@zahnatom I've had enemies go sideways on me but I've kept them locked
I must be doing something very wrong cause you say that IR missiles are the most important thing right now, while I go out with my f14 and force head-on owning everyone with amazing radar and great aim7-fs.
I cant fathom how the IR missiles can win in radar meta. Even from behind the enemy I find the aim7 is a lot more effective than any IR missile.
Am I completely lost? Please, throw me some rope on this issue.
From my experience, the MLA beats the J7e in a sustained dogfight by a close margin, the J7e is better in the one circle though and definitely more survivable.
The MLA wins if it manages to completely deplete the J7s speed. The problem is that when doing that the J7 gets at least 3 shots in before that happens, which is 3 opportunities to win before the MLA can. If the J7 misses or doesn’t take advantage of those chances though, then yeah the MLA will eventually be able to just hold S
@@SeekerHead Valid point, I am an average player but I had dogfights in a MLA with J7e's taking them two circle and was able to just avoid the guns every time by taking them into spirals and forcing the rate fight, even at low speeds, and was out rating the J7e with wings fully swept forward. I believe the MLA is a superior dogfighter when it comes to two circle rate fighting.
Anyway thanks for responding Seeker Head ❤
Dont forget that the j7 can pull up to 11 and sometime 13G
The only missile I’ve never been able to dodge without cutting ab (still at 100% throttle) and dropping a few flairs is the magic 2
Depends on what aspect, I know you’re not doing that from a 6 o’clock launch
@@SeekerHead not a perfect 6 o’clock launch but in rear aspect I do quite a bit
Hope Gaijin soon will give china tech tree J7G... the final mig21, this one even can dog fight with F16early model
"besides the F14 nothing rivals the J-7E's flight performance"
Personally in every dogfight i had in my J-7E against any cat, ive yet to lose an actual dogfight, the J-7E often outrates the tomcat easily. (Just an fyi, this is from a sim player's perspective)
First of all I use a joystick so getting gun kills with some aircraft is more difficult than using a mouse (a few aircraft flop around like a fish on land) ..and I'm not that good and don't take it too seriously. Anyway I haven't got the J7E, so for me I'd say 1: Mig 23MLD, 2: F14, 3: Viggen, 4: Mirage 2000, 5: maybe F104 asa or Mig 21bis. However I wouldn't say these are my favourites or what I do best in.
mf put the viggen before the viggen lmfao
Me who has never realized there was something up with your voice
it sounds like i’m getting quite and louder at random points for no reason
@@SeekerHead I haven't noticed it. Sounds just fine even through headphones.
i swear u could literally add some plane that beats out the J7E in every way this man would still be adamant about it being the best when it clearly isn't
Problem is flight performance wise currently there is nothing that beats the J7 in every way. it’s actually the opposite, the J7 out performs everything but the F-14 in every single metric. The PL5s are also extremely meta missiles imo bc the way u get kills in top tier is people don’t know ur shooting at them. PL5 is a perfect recipe for that, only being beaten out in this regard by the R24T, but u can only carry 2 of those.
Mig 21 SAU is number 5. 6 R60MKs, maneuverable, and fast.
Saying the viggen cannot outdogfight the J7E is not factual, I don't know if I'm fighting a5c players in disguise or I'm a competent pilot, but I've very rarely been out done by any plane at top tier, and this was just in the aj37 which has to carry 1 gunpod on one wing and a flare pod on the other. Had some struggles with mig23 players but never died to them in the 1v1 dogfight and the same goes for the J7E
anecdotal experience brother. it’s irrelevant
I don’t know why but every time I shoot a aim7 they notch 90 degrees and flare/chaff dump I lose the lock but the missile still hits any ideas?
I have won quite a few 1V1 dogfights against J-7Es using an F-5E
same, but that’s just a player issue. the J7 in theory should win every single time.
bros sleeping on the a21rb
Imo you need to control for Br; Br for Br something like the Ariete or the Su-11 might be better.
This video is talking about top tier.
My top tier is 1.F-14 2. mirage2000 3. phantom ej kai 4. mig 23 mla/mld 5. Viggen but that is for sim bcs i hate playing realistic battles where it actually have nothing in comon with realism so i play sim to have atleast a bit of it and there for top tier you need to have good radar and radar missiles other wise everyone is gonna out range you and a side a good ir missile for close fight when u already merge with someone.
I agree 100%
The F-14 I would put at first it does have that flaw whith flares but once you learn to notch IRs while just cutting burner and a few flares it’s pretty damn good
my Aim9L does not think the same
My pl5 does not think the same
you’ll have to teach me how to notch those IRs 😂
My R60M does not think the same
The MLD is my favorite top tier plane. It suits my playstyle. I'm either super aggressive with my 24R's or im playing sneaky aggressive with the 24T's and I absolutely love energy trapping / forcing people to fight on my terms when i get the chance to 1v1. I say this, the MLD can still hold it's own against the F14 if you fly it right. Yea the F14 can do everything you can do but better but the MLD has better energy retention in the long run if you can survive the first 2 turns. Most F14 pilots i've fought, bleed all of their energy trying to pull AOA but that can get you killed easily.
P.S J7E is still the best top tier jet. The flight performance is just cracked.
Which is ba for the j7e since they were tested and shown they would not be able to compete since it’s wings broke at 5-6 g
One plane can consistently murder a j7e in a 1v1 dogfight and that is the italian aerfer ariete and i can say so from personal experience
Agree with everything except J-7, of course. It doesn’t have good gun and it simply has only 4 missiles, so F-14 definitely beats him in terms of top-1 plane, imo even mirage is better right now than the J-7
God i love the J7E i always run it since it’s impossible to use an F5E to turn fight. 20g aim9j’s are out dated
yes,i just think that 9J is weaker than 9G,9J always cant touch a over 3km enemy,while 9G sometimes can
I swear ur going to make me grind China but is it worth it for only that one plane? Is the j8 not relevant?
the J8 is good but it’s just a mig21 with 4 PL5s. i wouldn’t personally grind china just for the j7, mig29 is coming out soon anyway, but if you want go for it
China will grow larger...J-10 and J16 J20 are all good dogfighter
I disagree with your assessment of the 9Hs. I think them having almost the same G pull as 9Js but having such a larger FOV makes them still quite useful if you know how to lead them out on unsuspecting targets. I tend to get kills with more than half of my 9H launches. I'd put them at tier 2 on your scale personally.
Harrier GR1 to do a lot of money and grind British line.. and get the GR7..
What country is j7E?
F-8C in full-real controls wants to know your location.
My list Best fighter jets
1.) MiG 29/ F 16
2.)F 14 Tomcat
3.) MiG 21
4.)MiG 23
5.) Tornado
11:25 Turning off the engine works but you need to manage your energy like a fucking god until your engines come back on other than that yeah it's pretty bs. F-14 is great besides that!
Edit: Aim-9H is a pretty lack luster missile, loses lock easily. Yeah it's got range but that's all really going for it.
Do you like the Bangladesh camo for J7e?
no, i just regularly use camos that i think are ugly
I really like the f4f from germany
introduction is too long ,but in general good vid ,like
Mig 21 sps k ist great on 10.0❤❤❤
Me would be :
- F-14
- Mirage 2000c
- J-7E
- MiG-23 MLD / MLA
- J-8B
The F14 has nö Changes in a dogfight with the j7E
Come on how many Tries did it take to take out the F-14 with the Phantom
In my opinion I would have had the f4e in third