I think it's good that Bambu shook Creality into not just pumping out an Ender derivative. The quality of the non Bambu printers have the community to thank as well between Klipper and Orca/Prusa Slicers.
To be honest in terms of hardware the guys on the voron side are to thank too. They did a lot of the ground work on the mechanical side too as they were doing fast CoreXY on scale before there was Bambu.
Finally a video that shows K2 Plus prints up close, in focus, with proper lighting! Was that so hard, creators of the world? Won't lie, this was the hardest test for me that you've done. Your K2 Plus is definitely performing well. I've seen a lot of others with more issues, but it's clear the potential is there. Great video as always!
Actually most of us would be fine with no free machines. I spent a month on this video which is sunk time which is money, I realise that's not how long some spend but the point stands. There's no free machines. As to why nobody else does good comparisons, well, what can I say 🤣
With print quality, I have an Ender 3 Pro, a Neptune 3 Pro and a P1S. Comparing models printed on all 3, it's almost impossible to tell the difference. The major benefits I find of modern core XY printers is the speed, less printer/material tuning of the older bedslingers and no more tedious manual spool changing on prints that change colour at specific layers .
Same. I been printing for 10 years ish and and even on my first printer (tevo tarantula) I got flawless prints. Once you have a good profile going you are in the game.
@@Castdeath Totally agree.. I have 3D prints that came off my Replicator Dual from 10 years ago that look every bit as good as the "best". Mechanically almost nothing has changed in terms of precision and "quality" in the motion, other than stepper drivers and resonance compensation to allow printing above 120mm/s without motion artifacts. I have noticed in the last 4-6 years that filament quality has dropped. In the sense that i have a SUPER old roll of PETG (about 6-8 years old) which is dead on 1.75mm to within +/-0.01mm. On new average filaments you regularly get +/-0.04mm and high quality filaments usually bump up to the +/- 0.02mm they claim. This causes a stacked salami effect. I thought it was inconsistent grip/slippage for a while until i loaded an old quality filament a few years ago. *OLD MAN* They don't make them like they used to
I was going to buy a K2, then I remembered all the times I had to contact Creality for customer support on the six or seven other machines I purchased and just how painful that was. Even after providing the serial numbers, the email I purchased and registered them from, I could get no support. Far different experience with Bambulabs.
In general it doesn't look too bad except for some weird engineering choices, but main issue with creality is reliability over a longer period of time. Hopefully you will use it a lot and report if you have any issues 😊
@@riba2233 what weird engineering choices? Creality has certainly made some in the past but I'm having a hard time finding anything to fault with this model.
@riba2233 IMO issue with creality is I've been my own support, which at this point I'm completely good with as long as the price is worth it, but last time I checked it wasn't compelling. I'll be waiting to see what printers are released this year as my upgraded ender 5 pro is still capable, slow but after so much tuning it is a work horse.
I love my K2 plus so far, have had it for about 3 weeks for my business along with my 13 bambus , sovol SV08, and Prusa XL. I have been using it 24/7 and have found that it does a good job the only issues so far (time will tell) belt tension issue (solved by firmware update), when the filament runs out of 2 rolls in a row with auto change for some reason mine did error code ( i stopped print only to realize that is would have continued if I told it to), and my bed magnet has pulled on the edges (I print whole bed prints this is why I wanted the size). They were all solved except the bed (it just did this, this week) waiting on Creality, right now I'm using large paper clips to help hold (Ive done this before and no issues to have to keep doing it) just a note all my large printers except the the Prusa XL have done this so not just Creality issue. So far prints are fast, nice, and accurate per my engineering parts. Time will tell if it can keep up, I bought another one also and will give it a little time before I say anything.
I've gone back and forth on all the types of beds, from blue tape and glue stick to PTFE tape and PEI magnetic bed. Single sided PEI with bare steel underneath hold FAR better in my experience. I settled with carbon silicon glass about 5 years ago, it was a love/hate at first until i dialed in the temps which are narrow and not the most forgiving if your off 5c. Fully enclosed i only use a felt edge smoothing tool to wipe the build plate and clean once a month with soapy water in a spray bottle i keep next to the printer as a preventative measure. I have a sharpened flexible putty scrapper to take prints off and clean the bed, super recommend for glass beds I REALLY wanted to preorder the K2 Plus Combo, but i've seen far too many issues with Creality printers and decided to hold off. Kind of wish i got one now
I have both and I was able to identify the P1S and K2 Plus prints almost every time. The K2 Plus has very distinctive artifacts, especially very unique VFAs in some of them. Creality definitely studied the X1C and made improvements, like one you omitted - the pushers in the CFS lid which ensure the spools are pressed into the rollers.
@@stevvieb this is my biggest issue with Creality. Rather than invest in their customers and fix issues, they want you to pitch it and buy the latest model that is 3 months newer. They need to commit to actively supporting devices and actively releasing updates.
We got multiple of these for the print farm and after talking to support for days they basically gave up and stopped answering First layers with ABS ASA is unusable It’s literally 0,140mm too low and when you raise it manually with a klipper macro or in fluidd the corners don’t stick and the middle is perfect If the corners stick the middle is so low it scapres the nozzle causes the extruder to grind and clogs ….. Useless we will wait for one more fw and if now be returning all of them and waiting for Bambu……. This is coming from a company that owns 16 k1 series printers 50 other creality printers and probably close to 20 Bambus so no not just a creality hater
@ most likely an issue of heatsoaking the build plate is likely not fully saturated before it gets probed also the main calibration cannot be performed with the plate at a higher temp which means you only get the less accurate mesh for abs Asa because the main mesh is done at 50c
@@martinskamla6789 okay. The 50c bed probing explains a lot. I can see why but didn't expect that. I am very happy with my Eddy-Current probes haven't had an issue in the last year. Suspected like non cast aluminum bed or something along those lines buckling on the K2
I have a K1 I've been using for a year or so. It's been a rockstar with the upgraded extruder that Creality sent to me for free when the original failed. Definitely interested in this printer.
Love ❤ your filming 🎥 techniques and sound/music 🎶 choices!!! Great video Lost in Tech! 🎉 we just bought 2x K2Ps and had one damaged in shipping but I’ll bet Creality will resolve soon! Looking forward to using these great printers and cranking out some jumbo prints!
balloon animal was the only one i wasn't able to determine as the k2. the layers lines are more pronounced when under the harsh lighting. its like a slight z wobble or maybe a heat bed fluxuation. just very slightly less consistent. that said I would be happy with it, still waiting for consumers to get it.
Intresting review! i gotta ask though, what's up with the weird stringing on your p1s? cant say i've noticed anything like that on the few benchies i've made.
Idk if people are negatively commenting about it but keep it up with the B-roll slow music footage. A short straight to the point video is ideal, but also doesn’t work well for monetization and engaging content. The close up shots of different things provide details that could be missed, but also aren’t noteworthy enough to be talked about. It is a great way to add value and time to the video while keeping narration and the overall video short and straight to the point. Keep doing the quizzes, I do prefer guessing side by side comparisons, rather than one print, but I’m not picky.
Not as many as I expected, I've been slowly adopting the more chilled out style of presentation for a while. People are always going to complain anyway 😅
@@LostInTech3Dwhatever you are doing keep it up. Your videos are the best produced videos in the entire 3d printing community imo. You should also start teasing a face reveal ala Wilson from Tool Time! 😂
Creality continues being Creality. Instead of _offering add-in_ (like they just did for *K1* series) they *totally* ignore V3 and create _new bedslinger_ to combine with existing CFS unit 🙄
@@hyperstimmed All V3 _except SE_ are based on klipper ( __ , KE, Plus). V3 ( __ - just V3, confusing model names) and V3 Plus even use same nozzle (hotend? toolhead?) as K1C (and possibly later K1 and K1 Max). Maybe there is no place to push the cutter, though _Hi _*_has_* , so 🙄
I had my K2 plus for a week now, excellent printer so far!! Almost hurt my back carrying it to the basement by myself ... Wasn't easy... But works like a champ
@LostInTech3D You can, but which cfs slot it chooses is random. There have already been user complaints, printing has to start from the printer screen.
@Lost in tech why are the 2 sides of the bed so obviously un-level when you showed the bed dropping, 1 side of the bed is Visibly lower and even hits the bottom almost a whole second after the other side reaches the bottom… @5:29 looks to me like it’s going to cause a lot of uneven wear on the most likely brass threads that those lead screws go in
I have a k1 max in my business for low volume production of telescope parts. It works reliably and 0 problems after around 5Kg of plastic including abrasive carbon fiber filament and mostly printing ASA and PETG. Just don't like the drag chain. I have to admit though the early adopters all had complaints, but I got mine after the fixes were introduced
As for the printer test - I was able to tell P1s and K2 with benchies, it was much harder with full scale nozzles and although I was able to tell my P1s in the white wall but I mistook the MK4s witih K2 Plus - surprising how poorly the prusa did, honestly!
@@aluxannar k2p has cleaner prints due to the much better part cooling fan, and mk4s loses probably because of the bed slinger shake on the large tall part like the one in video is more harmful than corexy
I have been interested in the K2 Plus. I think it'd be best as a multi-material engineering office prototyping machine or for cosplay enthusiasts who want large multi-color objects. I appreciate the engineering that went into the K2 Plus and particularly appreciate the good support for higher temperature materials but I tend toward simpler 3D printers that are easier to maintain, but with good print quality and decent speed. I don't need color printing for my functional parts but I would like to print PET-CF parts with TPU feet and/or non-skid tops, or print PETG parts with peel away PLA support. Now that many 3D printers have multi filament feeders, slicers need to do a better job with multi-material support in 2025. Slicers need to learn to use the purge as infill so there is no need to poop or print a purge tower.
The more pooping is definitely unfortunate, but it does seem decent; nice to see they actually tried to make the hot end look different this time as well (tho I still think they shoulda just used the toolhead styling from the KE, I really like the way it looks)
For print quality, mostly pixel peeping, but at the default print speed the k2 plus has some artifacts / misformed area in a layer. Could tell those apart from that but not bad at all.
Interesting that they are using a unipolar motor for the belt tensioning, opposite to the other stepper motors which are bipolar. Beyond that, I don't know what to say, else than that this all feels a bit like copyright infrigement to me haha. And it's telling that other companies took more than 2,5 years to catch up with Bambu.
Nice to see that the P1S is still holding up against the giants! And the K2 Plus looks great, the CFS hopefully catched the early problems the AMS had, but it looks like it does!
For the print quality comparison I believe I did slightly better than 50% but in an interval small enough that I could attribute it all to variance; in conclusion someone with my level of experience (very low) cannot tell the difference any better than random chance. I could see there were differences in the stringing and extrusion between the prints made with each machine but I could not attribute them to one or the other printer reliably
I waited a year before buying my first Bambu Lab printer, an X1-c. Since January 2024 I've gotten the X1-c now with two AMS, and 2 A1, one with AMS Lite and one without. Since buying an X1-c my Ender 5 pro,. Ender 2 Pro and FLSun Super Racer all sit untouched. All of those were purchased close to or before release. Never again will I let FoMo push me to buying until lot's of people have the time to break theirs first. Having said that this does look very familiar but I'm very skeptical of Creality and at this point I have never really found enough need for a larger format to warrant the spend. But if I hit that point, and IF Bambu hasn't brought out a larger format, I would consider this. But neither the E5P nor t6he E2P were reliable enough to make me comfortable with Creality printers without lots of users having them before I would jump into them. I do wish Bambu would do resin next. That I would probably jump on immediately, given their track record with FDM.
$1500 just seems like a lot when a p1s combo is only $800, and there's a reasonable possibility bambu announces their gen 2 machines this year. If you're someone who absolutely needs the extra large build plate then I'm sure it would serve anyone fine.
An anycubic kobra s1 is only 599 and looks even better then a bambu, or at leaste as good in the few vidoes i saw. I got a vyper a few years ago and have been impressed with it, just little things that told me they had some good engineer over there and im not surprised they're getting into this game and doing well if not the best out of the bambu clones in my uniformed biased opinion. I never actually used either. I just picked up a kobra 2 pro used 2nd hand in rough shape, and it banged out a perfect print on the first try with a glue soaked PIEI missing texture bed, so my moneys on Anycubic for the bambu clones but, i stll havent tried a Creality product yet, im sure they've caught up too.
It's a shame it doesn't recirculate the heat, that just seems generally inefficient and if recirculated it could also help evenly heat soak the machine better. Furthermore, it IMO should also have one of the two filter fans also recirculate and the other used to help lower chamber temps and vent out, both with HEPA filters. Can't stress how much recirculating vastly improves how clean the air gets isn't just dumped out with a single pass. Even with HEPA/MERV 17 it won't catch everything first pass and WILL still pump pollutants into the air. 99.97% is still a consistent stream of 0.03% over hours, compounding. I personally have my printer in a closet that's sealed with a HEPA filter inside that is always on when the printer is on (both connected to the same Smart Outlet). With that said.. I'll probably get WAY more plastic in me with a random ice coffee in those clear plastic cups. My only other issue is the auto belt tension. The belt tension/length WILL change when the machine is warm and i fear the auto belt tension system might exacerbate that. Meaning, the belts will be more pliable at higher temps and will stretch out of spec. That will wear on the more over time and reduce the accuracy faster over the life of the machine. It's good there using 9mm belts as not only can that be a problem but also those are some long belts on a Core-XY 350x350mm machine. Other than that, all the reviews make me wish i preordered a K2 Plus Combo. But Creality have a very "good" (bad) track record with new machines up until recently.. that's why i didn't.
i love my K1, and i do look at the K2 a bit enviously but i legit dont think i have space for it. i might, but BARELY. since a CFS is coming for K1, that need has died down a fair bit. but i do hope creality makes a K1 with the bed size of a K1 max. a K2 With all the features of the plus, but the size of a max, for $1000 i think would be a fantastic deal and ofc could make a, i guess mini, at the size of a K1. i hope creality does this instead of JUST offering upgrade packages for K1. while i wouldnt say no to this, i think it would be a little silly to retrofit so much sruff to a K1, and just should really offer it as an updated printer
I know this is probably a silly question but can this, or any other printer, clear the bed after a print? So you could keep printing parts without intervention? I am talking about big parts so you can spread them across the bed.
I thought there were projects that write g code after finishing print and cool down, to use the head to knock down the prints. If you print the same thing over and over, maybe you can just hand tune each model to do this. Also if a1 mini is large enough to make it, there is the project that autoswitches beds.
Look at the A1 Mini Swap Mod. It's not a huge bed so may not work if you need really big parts, but it's by far the best low cost option available at the moment. I just got mine put together and it's working great.
I don't want to be mean, but all the quiz comparing p1s and k2+ at once, i can tell within literally 2s which one is better. Obviously i don't own both but i assumed p1s is the better one, which made these guesses are all correct. I do want to be clear when you showed them individually not as direct comparison i cannot tell.
@@kiloohm Exactly my thoughts. It's very similar to the K1. I was hoping Creality would've corrected that on this model, but it doesn't look like it. This is the 1st video that I've guessed correctly on every model. It was quite easy to tell which model was done on a Bambu because the quality was superior.
@@Reach3DPrinters the great problem is the mixing. The high viscosity of the molten filament would require an absurd mixing chamber at printing speeds or somekind of active (motorised) mixing.
@@wktodd I can see that being an issue... perhaps the mixing chamber could have an free wheeling auger, bolted in and sealed, spinning on axis that don't exit the hotend, so the very flow of the filament rotates and mixes the molten filament.
@@Reach3DPrinters Have to wait for patents to expire. It is what it is.
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I'm hoping the K2 series is the start of Creality focusing on serviceability and long-term retention in the way of providing (at very least) good aftersale support for repair parts etc. I slept on Creality all these years because it felt like everytime they came out with a new thing, it was already yesterday's news not even a few months after said thing's official release. Could someone get repair parts for their 1st-5th gen CR-10? I'd assume/hope so. I haven't bothered to look but it felt like the CR-10 iterated way too much and fast to have any sort of good aftersale support, in my opinion, outside-looking-in.
Creality's old printers are almost certainly the most repairable out there. Just the other week I revived the ender 3 using some bits from the scrap bin and a £20 DD extruder from Amazon
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@@LostInTech3D Oh absolutely. Those older (shall we say, legacy models?) ones used a lot of generic parts or some variation of a known part that could easily be fitted cross platform (IE; E3D hotends and Volcanos, power supplies, logic boards etc) With this K2+ I'm seeing a lot of proprietary parts that may or will not be as easy to mod for the average user; something Creality seems to be marketing this printer to.
Honestly the first time Creality has made the list to compare for the next printer 👀… Waiting and saving cash 💰 while Bambu decides how they are going to leak the details of their new printer 😊. But it will be harshly compared to this as I am not in an enclosed multi material ecosystem at all yet, been waiting for 2years for them to iron out the kinks 😎. Great video 👍
The bed dropping down made me laugh. But I'd 100% hate that for multitude of reasons. That sound alone is awful. So... did Creality finally move on from their far too noisy fans? And yeah, when it comes to any new 3D printer in my opinion it's best to just wait and see how they perform after a little while. Especially with creality. But yeah, maybe that's because I'm fairly poor so I don't jump on new things and also I've been burned by creality.
Looks to me like all modern printers can get good print quality. The quality of the filament you used, though . . . oof. But yes, definitely would like to see more competition. Creality definitely had to up their game, as I understand it they suffered the most from Bambu's entrance into the market.
Can anyone tell me any way to get the cfs going on an orginal ender 3 or any of the other ones in the series k2 plus seems like a waste when i already have a fully functional ender 3 v2 neo
I wouldnt touch another Creality product with a shitty stick, I got sick of beta testing their products, one of which didn't work at all, anyone remember the WiFi box? Once it came out that they didn't work Creality didn't pull them, no they kept selling them and then when the sales really dropped off they installed them in the next shitty printer they released. I have an X1C Combo and Im waiting for the XL version from Bambu Lab which shouldn't be too long now.
Like bambu lab doesn't make their users beta test their products. All the bad MB fans, warped heatbeds, faulty AP/TH boards, faulty heatbed cables, busted AMS units, damaged CF rods...
@@LilApe I experienced none of that, I have had 10 years of Creality experience and had no problems with my X1 Combo, I can only go off my own personal experience. and have heard of none of those issues I don't think Bambu Lab have had their users beta test products, they sent some X1 and X1 Carbon out to UA-camrs before launch and there were tweaks before official release, and when Creality copied the X1 Carbon they couldn't get that right, it took 3 redesigns of the hot end and a new heatplate before it worked correctly.
@AndrewAHayes bambu lab printers were plagued with QC issues within the first year of post kickstarter launch. Bambu lab even came out with an official statement admitting about how bad it was. They literally used their customers as beta testers in their 1st year. They're on like version 9 or 10 of their AP/TH board, they had to find a new supplier for their fans. Becasue 100% of all X1's sold had bad MB fans. They had to find a new supplier of their heatbeds becasue over 1k customers reported heavily warped heatbeds. They had to immediately go back and resign their AMS becasue of broken rollers.
@@LostInTech3D sorry, but not really, first thing that jump at you while comparing them is the price; P1S combo for 1.007,40€ while the X1C is at 1.360,33€… Then you can go into the fine prints, like the P1S being limited to a heating bed at 100°C while the X1C can reach 120°C, that's the difference between being able to print PPA-CF easily or not. There are maybe some other minute differences, but, even without taking them into account, at least you have to acknowledge that those 2 printers are not the same, both in terms of specs and prices !
@@LostInTech3D also, the K2 plus combo is currently tagged at 1.499€, and the heating bed can reach 120°C… Furthering the fact that its true competitor is the X1C, not the P1S.
You haven't actually touched on the one actually valid reason they might not print the same, so I assume you don't know it. But they do tend to, which is something that I never fail to be amazed by. Nor did I agree to compare two "price equivalent" printers, you decided that rule yourself, with the arbitrary "you should". 🤣
@@LostInTech3D Sorry, you read my comments and missed the points, it's not your fault, I don't know you enough to adjust them in terms of what could help you to see them better. But it doesn't really matter, because given your answer you don't seem to be in the mood conditions to accept any critic nor video idea, I just hope now that your life is not too miserable for you to react in such a way, and even more that you don't seems to be a tech/crypto bro asshole but rather a decent person, I'm sorry, have a good day.
@@riba2233 some $300 printers have wired ethernet out of the box, but Bambu (almost) doubles the price from X1C😅 (TBH Bambu throws in also a chamber heater)
@@LostInTech3D I am not against Creality and competition. What I meant was they are playing catch up to bambu with the features they had 2-3 years ago. That is almost every consumer printer.
The beauty is if you have a problem with the design of a Creality printer, just wait 5 weeks for another model. I'm done with Creality. They need to learn how to finish and perfect a printer before releasing another one with 12 buzzwords for which 8 might actually work. Ive also learned to not buy a new printer based on UA-cam reviews, go to user forums and learn from unfortunate early adopters.
Bambu finally needs to release a new printer that is better than their kickstarter because they haven't made a better printer in almost 3 years and the rest has very much caught up. They only took part in the race to the bottom
@@cthulpiss appreciate you asking. I think you can change country at the top but this one supposedly is for the EU store shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=2263919&u=3275867&m=124834&urllink=&afftrack=
I do think their are several flaws in the design of the K2 plus (the extruder/hotend is the biggest, the crazy loud CFS to a quit printer comes second). But I agree that it does not seem to be to save money since everything looks like quality at first look, it just seems like incompetence of Creality engineers. Otherwise its the firmware/software that is the biggest let down. Its just horrible in every way and you realize very fast that this is not tested extensively at all.
Creality will always be “cheap” to me. They won the race to bottom years ago and now trying to convince me that their bambu copy is something different. I’ll wait for the next bambu printer.
I was so surprised that the p1s is better. makes me happy as i have one lol the last green one was terrible on the p1s tho huh. alsot he belt tension motors look so crappy. I wonder why they didn't just use springs like Bambu
Ethernet port , Cable chains, its big (350 cubed), apparently closed loop motors. well yea its 1500 bucks over here with the ams but by features its way ahead the x1c except for support. its creality.
Probably SuperSlicer (1) should be between (2) PrusaSlicer and Bambu? 1) faster development, more settings, no liability or responsibility to Prusa customers 2) more complicated, in reality, where it should be positioned. It might have forked long time ago with continued improvements + merges from PrusaSlicer
I don't know if this was your intent or inspiration but I got a DISTINCT "Pee Wee's Big Adventure" breakfast machine vibe from that opening sequence. VERY nice work good sir. Very nice work.
There will be many bambu users (cultists) who will not be polite and who do not agree that competition is a good thing. I'm not one of them even though I like my X1C quite a lot. If this had been available back when I bought my X1C I'd definitely be looking at it.
Putting the heater right between the 2 exhaust fans is such a dumb design 🤦♂️ You're wasting so much power and time generating heat that'll be sucked right out. Putting exhaust and intake right beside each other is a total noob move that anyone with PC building experience would know not to do.. Have Creality engineers never built a computer? Also, if I've learned anything from Qidi, the advertised speeds are possible, but will give you terrible prints. I'll be shocked if input shaping recommends more than 5000 max accel for most units.
@@LostInTech3D then they're gonna turn off and on repeatedly (annoying for some) or they're gonna end up getting too heat soaked. Either way seems like a poor design..
lolol P1P/P1S/X1/X1C/X1E are all the same printers with minor differences. Bambu is just a bad buy in 2025, everyone else makes better printers for better prices.
I think it's good that Bambu shook Creality into not just pumping out an Ender derivative. The quality of the non Bambu printers have the community to thank as well between Klipper and Orca/Prusa Slicers.
To be honest in terms of hardware the guys on the voron side are to thank too. They did a lot of the ground work on the mechanical side too as they were doing fast CoreXY on scale before there was Bambu.
@@towlnator And also, Klipper was there before Bambu. Now Klipper is not the first input shaping 3D print software I think. But still.
Finally a video that shows K2 Plus prints up close, in focus, with proper lighting! Was that so hard, creators of the world? Won't lie, this was the hardest test for me that you've done. Your K2 Plus is definitely performing well. I've seen a lot of others with more issues, but it's clear the potential is there. Great video as always!
It's not that it's hard, it's that they want to keep getting free machines.
Actually most of us would be fine with no free machines. I spent a month on this video which is sunk time which is money, I realise that's not how long some spend but the point stands. There's no free machines.
As to why nobody else does good comparisons, well, what can I say 🤣
With print quality, I have an Ender 3 Pro, a Neptune 3 Pro and a P1S. Comparing models printed on all 3, it's almost impossible to tell the difference. The major benefits I find of modern core XY printers is the speed, less printer/material tuning of the older bedslingers and no more tedious manual spool changing on prints that change colour at specific layers .
@@sgtkabukiman9411 Yeah tbh, 3D printing quality peaked long ago. Well tuned Ender 3s honestly can match a lot of modern machines
Same. I been printing for 10 years ish and and even on my first printer (tevo tarantula) I got flawless prints. Once you have a good profile going you are in the game.
If you Print a lot a bit more Speed is still nice🤗. If you only Print onve a month or every two weeks you dont Need a fast printer
@@Castdeath Totally agree.. I have 3D prints that came off my Replicator Dual from 10 years ago that look every bit as good as the "best". Mechanically almost nothing has changed in terms of precision and "quality" in the motion, other than stepper drivers and resonance compensation to allow printing above 120mm/s without motion artifacts.
I have noticed in the last 4-6 years that filament quality has dropped. In the sense that i have a SUPER old roll of PETG (about 6-8 years old) which is dead on 1.75mm to within +/-0.01mm. On new average filaments you regularly get +/-0.04mm and high quality filaments usually bump up to the +/- 0.02mm they claim. This causes a stacked salami effect. I thought it was inconsistent grip/slippage for a while until i loaded an old quality filament a few years ago. *OLD MAN* They don't make them like they used to
@@MrHeHim nowadays if I want a spool I can be sure of its quality I go prusament
I was going to buy a K2, then I remembered all the times I had to contact Creality for customer support on the six or seven other machines I purchased and just how painful that was. Even after providing the serial numbers, the email I purchased and registered them from, I could get no support. Far different experience with Bambulabs.
In general it doesn't look too bad except for some weird engineering choices, but main issue with creality is reliability over a longer period of time. Hopefully you will use it a lot and report if you have any issues 😊
I've already used it a lot 😁
@@riba2233 what weird engineering choices? Creality has certainly made some in the past but I'm having a hard time finding anything to fault with this model.
@riba2233 IMO issue with creality is I've been my own support, which at this point I'm completely good with as long as the price is worth it, but last time I checked it wasn't compelling. I'll be waiting to see what printers are released this year as my upgraded ender 5 pro is still capable, slow but after so much tuning it is a work horse.
@@Dalroth The extruder design sadly still isn't great.
@@Dalroth for eg chamber heater always drawing cold air from the outside...
I love my K2 plus so far, have had it for about 3 weeks for my business along with my 13 bambus , sovol SV08, and Prusa XL. I have been using it 24/7 and have found that it does a good job the only issues so far (time will tell) belt tension issue (solved by firmware update), when the filament runs out of 2 rolls in a row with auto change for some reason mine did error code ( i stopped print only to realize that is would have continued if I told it to), and my bed magnet has pulled on the edges (I print whole bed prints this is why I wanted the size). They were all solved except the bed (it just did this, this week) waiting on Creality, right now I'm using large paper clips to help hold (Ive done this before and no issues to have to keep doing it) just a note all my large printers except the the Prusa XL have done this so not just Creality issue. So far prints are fast, nice, and accurate per my engineering parts. Time will tell if it can keep up, I bought another one also and will give it a little time before I say anything.
I've gone back and forth on all the types of beds, from blue tape and glue stick to PTFE tape and PEI magnetic bed. Single sided PEI with bare steel underneath hold FAR better in my experience. I settled with carbon silicon glass about 5 years ago, it was a love/hate at first until i dialed in the temps which are narrow and not the most forgiving if your off 5c. Fully enclosed i only use a felt edge smoothing tool to wipe the build plate and clean once a month with soapy water in a spray bottle i keep next to the printer as a preventative measure.
I have a sharpened flexible putty scrapper to take prints off and clean the bed, super recommend for glass beds
I REALLY wanted to preorder the K2 Plus Combo, but i've seen far too many issues with Creality printers and decided to hold off. Kind of wish i got one now
I have both and I was able to identify the P1S and K2 Plus prints almost every time. The K2 Plus has very distinctive artifacts, especially very unique VFAs in some of them. Creality definitely studied the X1C and made improvements, like one you omitted - the pushers in the CFS lid which ensure the spools are pressed into the rollers.
I think that was one of the closing shots.
Sadly in 6 months they'll drop it and be on the K3
jeez who are they, Nvidia?
Drop it? Creality doesn't drop anything, you can still buy an original Ender 3 and all 46 subsequent Ender 3 variants.
@@stevvieb this is my biggest issue with Creality. Rather than invest in their customers and fix issues, they want you to pitch it and buy the latest model that is 3 months newer. They need to commit to actively supporting devices and actively releasing updates.
We got multiple of these for the print farm and after talking to support for days they basically gave up and stopped answering
First layers with ABS ASA is unusable
It’s literally 0,140mm too low and when you raise it manually with a klipper macro or in fluidd the corners don’t stick and the middle is perfect
If the corners stick the middle is so low it scapres the nozzle causes the extruder to grind and clogs …..
Useless we will wait for one more fw and if now be returning all of them and waiting for Bambu……. This is coming from a company that owns 16 k1 series printers 50 other creality printers and probably close to 20 Bambus so no not just a creality hater
Is this a mechanical/material issue? Like buckling build plate from expansion or something on the software side?
@ most likely an issue of heatsoaking the build plate is likely not fully saturated before it gets probed also the main calibration cannot be performed with the plate at a higher temp which means you only get the less accurate mesh for abs Asa because the main mesh is done at 50c
@@martinskamla6789 okay. The 50c bed probing explains a lot. I can see why but didn't expect that. I am very happy with my Eddy-Current probes haven't had an issue in the last year.
Suspected like non cast aluminum bed or something along those lines buckling on the K2
I have a K1 I've been using for a year or so. It's been a rockstar with the upgraded extruder that Creality sent to me for free when the original failed. Definitely interested in this printer.
Love ❤ your filming 🎥 techniques and sound/music 🎶 choices!!! Great video Lost in Tech! 🎉 we just bought 2x K2Ps and had one damaged in shipping but I’ll bet Creality will resolve soon! Looking forward to using these great printers and cranking out some jumbo prints!
Damage in shipping is the worst, as these machines get bigger it gets more inconvenient 😭
Why would one even read Harry Potter when there's Discworld? I don't get it.
Agreed 👍
@@LostInTech3D
Wait…I have to go back & watch again, don’t I?
marketing I guess
balloon animal was the only one i wasn't able to determine as the k2. the layers lines are more pronounced when under the harsh lighting. its like a slight z wobble or maybe a heat bed fluxuation. just very slightly less consistent. that said I would be happy with it, still waiting for consumers to get it.
Looking forward to seeing how the Bambu H2D ends up stacking up next to this when it is released. I will probably gone either the K2 Plus or the H2D.
Intresting review! i gotta ask though, what's up with the weird stringing on your p1s? cant say i've noticed anything like that on the few benchies i've made.
@@explosivelego9477 wet filament, dirty nozzle, could be a bunch of issues ngl
I have it on my unit too, it's just impossible to keep filament dry here in Singapore lol it's rained continuously for 3 days 🤣
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Idk if people are negatively commenting about it but keep it up with the B-roll slow music footage. A short straight to the point video is ideal, but also doesn’t work well for monetization and engaging content. The close up shots of different things provide details that could be missed, but also aren’t noteworthy enough to be talked about. It is a great way to add value and time to the video while keeping narration and the overall video short and straight to the point. Keep doing the quizzes, I do prefer guessing side by side comparisons, rather than one print, but I’m not picky.
Not as many as I expected, I've been slowly adopting the more chilled out style of presentation for a while. People are always going to complain anyway 😅
@@LostInTech3Dwhatever you are doing keep it up. Your videos are the best produced videos in the entire 3d printing community imo. You should also start teasing a face reveal ala Wilson from Tool Time! 😂
Okay, the CC on this video is fantastic! I love it.
Everybody asks you the same questions? So everyone asks you if it can sing and dance? Hm, I really thought I was the first to ask that. 😉
you missed the post where I asked, questions are now closed! :P
You know, that's a good question!
no questions!
For a second I thought this was going to be a video about the new Hi printer. Captions on point as always.
Creality continues being Creality. Instead of _offering add-in_ (like they just did for *K1* series) they *totally* ignore V3 and create _new bedslinger_ to combine with existing CFS unit 🙄
@@kimmotoivanen I think that's because the CFS is made to work with the printers based on Klipper, while most Enders are still on Marlin
@@hyperstimmed All V3 _except SE_ are based on klipper ( __ , KE, Plus). V3 ( __ - just V3, confusing model names) and V3 Plus even use same nozzle (hotend? toolhead?) as K1C (and possibly later K1 and K1 Max).
Maybe there is no place to push the cutter, though _Hi _*_has_* , so 🙄
thank you for explaining the buffer, just last week I had to search for like an half an hour to find it.
I had my K2 plus for a week now, excellent printer so far!!
Almost hurt my back carrying it to the basement by myself ...
Wasn't easy...
But works like a champ
If it wasn't for the shitty slicer, it would be a cut above. As usual, the community has to finish the job for them
The slicer is fine, also I believe you can already use orca
@LostInTech3D You can, but which cfs slot it chooses is random. There have already been user complaints, printing has to start from the printer screen.
Feels like something that'll be fixed
Lowkey the best subtitles 😂
@Lost in tech why are the 2 sides of the bed so obviously un-level when you showed the bed dropping, 1 side of the bed is Visibly lower and even hits the bottom almost a whole second after the other side reaches the bottom… @5:29 looks to me like it’s going to cause a lot of uneven wear on the most likely brass threads that those lead screws go in
I have a k1 max in my business for low volume production of telescope parts. It works reliably and 0 problems after around 5Kg of plastic including abrasive carbon fiber filament and mostly printing ASA and PETG. Just don't like the drag chain. I have to admit though the early adopters all had complaints, but I got mine after the fixes were introduced
As for the printer test - I was able to tell P1s and K2 with benchies, it was much harder with full scale nozzles and although I was able to tell my P1s in the white wall but I mistook the MK4s witih K2 Plus - surprising how poorly the prusa did, honestly!
@@aluxannar k2p has cleaner prints due to the much better part cooling fan, and mk4s loses probably because of the bed slinger shake on the large tall part like the one in video is more harmful than corexy
I have been interested in the K2 Plus. I think it'd be best as a multi-material engineering office prototyping machine or for cosplay enthusiasts who want large multi-color objects. I appreciate the engineering that went into the K2 Plus and particularly appreciate the good support for higher temperature materials but I tend toward simpler 3D printers that are easier to maintain, but with good print quality and decent speed. I don't need color printing for my functional parts but I would like to print PET-CF parts with TPU feet and/or non-skid tops, or print PETG parts with peel away PLA support. Now that many 3D printers have multi filament feeders, slicers need to do a better job with multi-material support in 2025. Slicers need to learn to use the purge as infill so there is no need to poop or print a purge tower.
The more pooping is definitely unfortunate, but it does seem decent; nice to see they actually tried to make the hot end look different this time as well (tho I still think they shoulda just used the toolhead styling from the KE, I really like the way it looks)
For print quality, mostly pixel peeping, but at the default print speed the k2 plus has some artifacts / misformed area in a layer. Could tell those apart from that but not bad at all.
I absolutely loved that intro, and the subtitles.
Interesting that they are using a unipolar motor for the belt tensioning, opposite to the other stepper motors which are bipolar.
Beyond that, I don't know what to say, else than that this all feels a bit like copyright infrigement to me haha. And it's telling that other companies took more than 2,5 years to catch up with Bambu.
Nice to see that the P1S is still holding up against the giants! And the K2 Plus looks great, the CFS hopefully catched the early problems the AMS had, but it looks like it does!
When the music started at around 6:19 i kinda expected you to sing along XD
really remembered me of c90adventures videos :D
you really dont want that, trust me
For the print quality comparison I believe I did slightly better than 50% but in an interval small enough that I could attribute it all to variance; in conclusion someone with my level of experience (very low) cannot tell the difference any better than random chance. I could see there were differences in the stringing and extrusion between the prints made with each machine but I could not attribute them to one or the other printer reliably
At least they fixed the colour change before they had massive purge towers.
never saw that so I guess that was a while back
I waited a year before buying my first Bambu Lab printer, an X1-c. Since January 2024 I've gotten the X1-c now with two AMS, and 2 A1, one with AMS Lite and one without. Since buying an X1-c my Ender 5 pro,. Ender 2 Pro and FLSun Super Racer all sit untouched. All of those were purchased close to or before release. Never again will I let FoMo push me to buying until lot's of people have the time to break theirs first.
Having said that this does look very familiar but I'm very skeptical of Creality and at this point I have never really found enough need for a larger format to warrant the spend. But if I hit that point, and IF Bambu hasn't brought out a larger format, I would consider this. But neither the E5P nor t6he E2P were reliable enough to make me comfortable with Creality printers without lots of users having them before I would jump into them.
I do wish Bambu would do resin next. That I would probably jump on immediately, given their track record with FDM.
So its first layer suffers from the same issue as ratrig vcore 4. Bimetal heating. I soak my vcore too now since the carbon fiber didn't fix it fully.
Both prints good out the box. The true test is after 500-1000h.
$1500 just seems like a lot when a p1s combo is only $800, and there's a reasonable possibility bambu announces their gen 2 machines this year. If you're someone who absolutely needs the extra large build plate then I'm sure it would serve anyone fine.
The Bambu X1C is $1500, just went on sale to $1350
An anycubic kobra s1 is only 599 and looks even better then a bambu, or at leaste as good in the few vidoes i saw. I got a vyper a few years ago and have been impressed with it, just little things that told me they had some good engineer over there and im not surprised they're getting into this game and doing well if not the best out of the bambu clones in my uniformed biased opinion. I never actually used either. I just picked up a kobra 2 pro used 2nd hand in rough shape, and it banged out a perfect print on the first try with a glue soaked PIEI missing texture bed, so my moneys on Anycubic for the bambu clones but, i stll havent tried a Creality product yet, im sure they've caught up too.
I don't know if anycubic have fixed the purge amount adjustment yet, I heard you couldn't change it at all.
You missed a lot of things like the flow calibration, input shaper, pressure advance, servo motors etc.
I didn't "miss" anything, if you have further questions then please ask them.
It's a shame it doesn't recirculate the heat, that just seems generally inefficient and if recirculated it could also help evenly heat soak the machine better. Furthermore, it IMO should also have one of the two filter fans also recirculate and the other used to help lower chamber temps and vent out, both with HEPA filters. Can't stress how much recirculating vastly improves how clean the air gets isn't just dumped out with a single pass.
Even with HEPA/MERV 17 it won't catch everything first pass and WILL still pump pollutants into the air. 99.97% is still a consistent stream of 0.03% over hours, compounding. I personally have my printer in a closet that's sealed with a HEPA filter inside that is always on when the printer is on (both connected to the same Smart Outlet). With that said.. I'll probably get WAY more plastic in me with a random ice coffee in those clear plastic cups.
My only other issue is the auto belt tension. The belt tension/length WILL change when the machine is warm and i fear the auto belt tension system might exacerbate that. Meaning, the belts will be more pliable at higher temps and will stretch out of spec. That will wear on the more over time and reduce the accuracy faster over the life of the machine. It's good there using 9mm belts as not only can that be a problem but also those are some long belts on a Core-XY 350x350mm machine.
Other than that, all the reviews make me wish i preordered a K2 Plus Combo. But Creality have a very "good" (bad) track record with new machines up until recently.. that's why i didn't.
Does CMS works with orca slicer, tho? Won't get 6th printer just to use diffrent slicer xD
I have heard it does.
i love my K1, and i do look at the K2 a bit enviously but i legit dont think i have space for it. i might, but BARELY.
since a CFS is coming for K1, that need has died down a fair bit. but i do hope creality makes a K1 with the bed size of a K1 max.
a K2 With all the features of the plus, but the size of a max, for $1000 i think would be a fantastic deal and ofc could make a, i guess mini, at the size of a K1.
i hope creality does this instead of JUST offering upgrade packages for K1.
while i wouldnt say no to this, i think it would be a little silly to retrofit so much sruff to a K1, and just should really offer it as an updated printer
I know this is probably a silly question but can this, or any other printer, clear the bed after a print? So you could keep printing parts without intervention? I am talking about big parts so you can spread them across the bed.
The only thing that will do that is a belt printer and those are a challenge in themselves
I thought there were projects that write g code after finishing print and cool down, to use the head to knock down the prints. If you print the same thing over and over, maybe you can just hand tune each model to do this. Also if a1 mini is large enough to make it, there is the project that autoswitches beds.
Look at the A1 Mini Swap Mod. It's not a huge bed so may not work if you need really big parts, but it's by far the best low cost option available at the moment. I just got mine put together and it's working great.
You can make custom auto ejection code for nearly any printer. Just have to be careful to do it right.
I don't want to be mean, but all the quiz comparing p1s and k2+ at once, i can tell within literally 2s which one is better. Obviously i don't own both but i assumed p1s is the better one, which made these guesses are all correct. I do want to be clear when you showed them individually not as direct comparison i cannot tell.
I need this playlist!
CFS is intereting, but i probably wouldnt consider getting one til it becomes compatable with other printer models.
Mine is at the local FedEx depot waiting for me to pick it up. Let's see how badly I can damage my back moving it around.
Be careful 😬 I think it's easier if you can get some straps or something
I purchased a nice dolly (with large wheels) 25 years ago. I still use it to this day. Saves time and saves your back!
@ Yeah, I’m borrowing a trolley from work, it’s more the 14 stairs up to my workshop and the 90 degree turn half way up 😳
Z banding gave away the K2 Plus in the test prints
@@kiloohm Exactly my thoughts. It's very similar to the K1. I was hoping Creality would've corrected that on this model, but it doesn't look like it. This is the 1st video that I've guessed correctly on every model. It was quite easy to tell which model was done on a Bambu because the quality was superior.
When will the cmyk+white printer be created? 5 color mixing occurs at nozzle? Minimal to no wasted purge, nozzle priming in infill.
Sounds like polyjet to me.
@@Reach3DPrinters the great problem is the mixing. The high viscosity of the molten filament would require an absurd mixing chamber at printing speeds or somekind of active (motorised) mixing.
@@LostInTech3D The MImaki 3DUJ-2207 is 40-50K usd. Would be nice to have a sub $1k option.
@@wktodd I can see that being an issue... perhaps the mixing chamber could have an free wheeling auger, bolted in and sealed, spinning on axis that don't exit the hotend, so the very flow of the filament rotates and mixes the molten filament.
@@Reach3DPrinters Have to wait for patents to expire. It is what it is.
I'm hoping the K2 series is the start of Creality focusing on serviceability and long-term retention in the way of providing (at very least) good aftersale support for repair parts etc.
I slept on Creality all these years because it felt like everytime they came out with a new thing, it was already yesterday's news not even a few months after said thing's official release.
Could someone get repair parts for their 1st-5th gen CR-10? I'd assume/hope so. I haven't bothered to look but it felt like the CR-10 iterated way too much and fast to have any sort of good aftersale support, in my opinion, outside-looking-in.
Creality's old printers are almost certainly the most repairable out there. Just the other week I revived the ender 3 using some bits from the scrap bin and a £20 DD extruder from Amazon
@@LostInTech3D
Oh absolutely. Those older (shall we say, legacy models?) ones used a lot of generic parts or some variation of a known part that could easily be fitted cross platform (IE; E3D hotends and Volcanos, power supplies, logic boards etc)
With this K2+ I'm seeing a lot of proprietary parts that may or will not be as easy to mod for the average user; something Creality seems to be marketing this printer to.
I guess i don't understand the bed heating wait time comment due to voltage. My vcore 400 heats up in less then 3 mins at 120v
Would be nice to see a comparison with a qidiplus 4
Honestly the first time Creality has made the list to compare for the next printer 👀…
Waiting and saving cash 💰 while Bambu decides how they are going to leak the details of their new printer 😊. But it will be harshly compared to this as I am not in an enclosed multi material ecosystem at all yet, been waiting for 2years for them to iron out the kinks 😎.
Great video 👍
Naw, I have x1c with 2 ams, not switching so easy. It's a personal device, not a farm owned by a company. But good to see that they've been busy.
The bed dropping down made me laugh. But I'd 100% hate that for multitude of reasons. That sound alone is awful.
So... did Creality finally move on from their far too noisy fans? And yeah, when it comes to any new 3D printer in my opinion it's best to just wait and see how they perform after a little while. Especially with creality. But yeah, maybe that's because I'm fairly poor so I don't jump on new things and also I've been burned by creality.
I think...hope...the era of terrible fans is behind us
Love the subtitles xD
Meanwhile me trying to make my pen switcher work so i can taste a bit of color😂
Looks to me like all modern printers can get good print quality. The quality of the filament you used, though . . . oof.
But yes, definitely would like to see more competition. Creality definitely had to up their game, as I understand it they suffered the most from Bambu's entrance into the market.
Just clicked on the video. Excited to find out if it can run Crysis.
Can anyone tell me any way to get the cfs going on an orginal ender 3 or any of the other ones in the series k2 plus seems like a waste when i already have a fully functional ender 3 v2 neo
It will support the k1 series with the conversion kit. Not enders afaik, idk about e3v3
3dcamelion will work with it, if you convert it to klipper you can use any of the klipper ams's like ercf, btt vvd or otheres
@username9774can you direct me to a site where I can buy the 3D chameleon kit
And does it need klipper
Th official site does not seem to have a purchase link for the kit
The one on the left in the thumbnail is printed on the bambu i can tell from the quality
Benchy? Beware of the takedown notice. 😂 Try the new boaty!
I have CR10 and two of X1C. CR10 is collecting dust and X1C are almost daily used. No more Creality, please🙂
08:52 that top layer fill is still awful as my Ender 3 V2.
Lost in Tech's Chocolate factory! The results are still a bit plastic ;)
I wouldnt touch another Creality product with a shitty stick, I got sick of beta testing their products, one of which didn't work at all, anyone remember the WiFi box? Once it came out that they didn't work Creality didn't pull them, no they kept selling them and then when the sales really dropped off they installed them in the next shitty printer they released.
I have an X1C Combo and Im waiting for the XL version from Bambu Lab which shouldn't be too long now.
Like bambu lab doesn't make their users beta test their products. All the bad MB fans, warped heatbeds, faulty AP/TH boards, faulty heatbed cables, busted AMS units, damaged CF rods...
@@LilApe I experienced none of that, I have had 10 years of Creality experience and had no problems with my X1 Combo, I can only go off my own personal experience. and have heard of none of those issues
I don't think Bambu Lab have had their users beta test products, they sent some X1 and X1 Carbon out to UA-camrs before launch and there were tweaks before official release, and when Creality copied the X1 Carbon they couldn't get that right, it took 3 redesigns of the hot end and a new heatplate before it worked correctly.
@AndrewAHayes bambu lab printers were plagued with QC issues within the first year of post kickstarter launch. Bambu lab even came out with an official statement admitting about how bad it was. They literally used their customers as beta testers in their 1st year. They're on like version 9 or 10 of their AP/TH board, they had to find a new supplier for their fans. Becasue 100% of all X1's sold had bad MB fans. They had to find a new supplier of their heatbeds becasue over 1k customers reported heavily warped heatbeds. They had to immediately go back and resign their AMS becasue of broken rollers.
This printer shouldn't be compared to the P1S but rather to the X1C imho
It's the same.
@@LostInTech3D sorry, but not really, first thing that jump at you while comparing them is the price; P1S combo for 1.007,40€ while the X1C is at 1.360,33€… Then you can go into the fine prints, like the P1S being limited to a heating bed at 100°C while the X1C can reach 120°C, that's the difference between being able to print PPA-CF easily or not. There are maybe some other minute differences, but, even without taking them into account, at least you have to acknowledge that those 2 printers are not the same, both in terms of specs and prices !
@@LostInTech3D also, the K2 plus combo is currently tagged at 1.499€, and the heating bed can reach 120°C… Furthering the fact that its true competitor is the X1C, not the P1S.
You haven't actually touched on the one actually valid reason they might not print the same, so I assume you don't know it. But they do tend to, which is something that I never fail to be amazed by.
Nor did I agree to compare two "price equivalent" printers, you decided that rule yourself, with the arbitrary "you should". 🤣
@@LostInTech3D Sorry, you read my comments and missed the points, it's not your fault, I don't know you enough to adjust them in terms of what could help you to see them better. But it doesn't really matter, because given your answer you don't seem to be in the mood conditions to accept any critic nor video idea, I just hope now that your life is not too miserable for you to react in such a way, and even more that you don't seems to be a tech/crypto bro asshole but rather a decent person, I'm sorry, have a good day.
Certainly isn't Creality cheap and cheerful 😳 same price as an X1, albeit larger build volume. Spare parts and serviceability are also a concern.
I think they threw in a kitchen sink as well.
I wish the Bambus had an Ethernet port. Using WiFi only at work has challenges.
X1e should have it
@@riba2233 some $300 printers have wired ethernet out of the box, but Bambu (almost) doubles the price from X1C😅
(TBH Bambu throws in also a chamber heater)
Bambu did this 2-3 years ago😂
link me to the 350mm bambu printer please. You know, the one with the heated chamber that runs klipper.
@@LostInTech3D I am not against Creality and competition. What I meant was they are playing catch up to bambu with the features they had 2-3 years ago. That is almost every consumer printer.
Why should I buy Creality if I can buy Bambu? Why should i have problems and compromises if i could not have?
The beauty is if you have a problem with the design of a Creality printer, just wait 5 weeks for another model.
I'm done with Creality. They need to learn how to finish and perfect a printer before releasing another one with 12 buzzwords for which 8 might actually work.
Ive also learned to not buy a new printer based on UA-cam reviews, go to user forums and learn from unfortunate early adopters.
Bambu finally needs to release a new printer that is better than their kickstarter because they haven't made a better printer in almost 3 years and the rest has very much caught up. They only took part in the race to the bottom
I did kinda wonder if this printer was supposed to be the k1c and it just wasn’t ready?
Immediate like!
Let's go!!!
EU affiliate link?
@@cthulpiss appreciate you asking. I think you can change country at the top but this one supposedly is for the EU store shareasale.com/r.cfm?b=2263919&u=3275867&m=124834&urllink=&afftrack=
I noticed you didn’t mention price… click link and sheesh.
It's the same kind of price as the X1. I'll be reviewing the "creality hi" soon, which is aimed at a more normal price range.
$1500? Yeah, no thanks.
I do think their are several flaws in the design of the K2 plus (the extruder/hotend is the biggest, the crazy loud CFS to a quit printer comes second). But I agree that it does not seem to be to save money since everything looks like quality at first look, it just seems like incompetence of Creality engineers. Otherwise its the firmware/software that is the biggest let down. Its just horrible in every way and you realize very fast that this is not tested extensively at all.
lol 2:57 kWh/h is just kW
I don't think so because it's an average
@LostInTech3D you can just say that it's the average power used
Which is exactly what I did
Creality will always be “cheap” to me. They won the race to bottom years ago and now trying to convince me that their bambu copy is something different. I’ll wait for the next bambu printer.
Took early
Video starts at 0:00
uuh.
@@CrazyT0sser exactly 💯
Nice little touch with the lost logo on the printer at the start 👍, although the music is making me afraid.
I was so surprised that the p1s is better. makes me happy as i have one lol
the last green one was terrible on the p1s tho huh.
alsot he belt tension motors look so crappy. I wonder why they didn't just use springs like Bambu
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Ethernet port , Cable chains, its big (350 cubed), apparently closed loop motors. well yea its 1500 bucks over here with the ams
but by features its way ahead the x1c except for support. its creality.
I imagine it can be had for some discounts, there usually are some.
pretty sure you got the fork order wrong there mate.
Probably 🤣
No, he didn't, they're all in orrder Slic3r > prusa slicer > bambu studio > orca slicer > and then whatever crealitys thing is.
Probably SuperSlicer (1) should be between (2) PrusaSlicer and Bambu?
1) faster development, more settings, no liability or responsibility to Prusa customers
2) more complicated, in reality, where it should be positioned. It might have forked long time ago with continued improvements + merges from PrusaSlicer
I don't know if this was your intent or inspiration but I got a DISTINCT "Pee Wee's Big Adventure" breakfast machine vibe from that opening sequence. VERY nice work good sir. Very nice work.
There will be many bambu users (cultists) who will not be polite and who do not agree that competition is a good thing. I'm not one of them even though I like my X1C quite a lot. If this had been available back when I bought my X1C I'd definitely be looking at it.
Putting the heater right between the 2 exhaust fans is such a dumb design 🤦♂️
You're wasting so much power and time generating heat that'll be sucked right out. Putting exhaust and intake right beside each other is a total noob move that anyone with PC building experience would know not to do.. Have Creality engineers never built a computer?
Also, if I've learned anything from Qidi, the advertised speeds are possible, but will give you terrible prints. I'll be shocked if input shaping recommends more than 5000 max accel for most units.
Those fans are off when the heater is on
@@LostInTech3D then they're gonna turn off and on repeatedly (annoying for some) or they're gonna end up getting too heat soaked. Either way seems like a poor design..
You should read Harry Potter haha.
Tracking warning from sharesale. Not cool.
It's an affiliate link, they do tend to track, that's the point
Its a pos comparison. You compared Crealitys Top Printer to Bambus Lower tier printer. Compare both printers using the x1 carbon.
P1S and X1C are identical in build. All the kinematics, motors feeders and heaters are the exact same.
The only differrence is the configuration
lolol P1P/P1S/X1/X1C/X1E are all the same printers with minor differences.
Bambu is just a bad buy in 2025, everyone else makes better printers for better prices.
I've been instructed to go spend £1500 though to point this out 🤣 how can I refuse.