What is sad is that the people in Peru who dig up graves & steal items are depriving all the other people in Peru a part of their own heritage. Countries need to know their own histories. I'd never grave rob. It's disgusting. Plus even though they got the head dress back, they've lost all the other items so the identity of the dead person and what role he/she played is lost for ever.
Art theft is always sad, but historical art theft is way worse, because it destroys knowledge about the old cultures forever. These pieces belong into the hands of scientists and public ownership.
the thing that sucks. is all of the funerary items buried with these mocha royals tells their life story basically.. its like the Spanish burning all of the Inca/Maya literature when the conquistadors came calling..
great story i come around to watch after was searching for nothing but something to learn. i cannot believe the university of munich would have provided help to autentify a loaded peruvian art unless it is from government to government or museum to museum..but private collectors.....incredible . but what surprises me more is the way this exquisite art has passed the airport security; once again corruption and careless care from the peruvian authorities. que carajo. however i am so happy to know the peruvian art of my ancestors is back home i hope you and some others help to fiend the other objects that are somewhere; the world and peruvians want to see them in our land and museum.... God forgive the catholic church!
Indeed, why prosecute the scapegoat, Patterson. Mr Rockel should be prosecuted for buying stolen national artifacts, knowingly purchasing stolen artifacts.!!!???? And then selling some that DID NOT BELONG to him.!!!???
The idea that a grain grinder can be spun gives the idea that it can move things it’s like basically saying they where too stupid to realize that a round object will traverse terrain better than any other like a triangle square or.
If the government of Peru knew/knows a certain area holds ancient graves, basically a historical cemetery, why the hell isn’t is fenced/gated/policed/something?
All of Peru is archeological, so there's not enough money and policemen for every place of the country, we are talking about 1000 000 km of archeological territory.
@@elizabethfiorella4109 - Okay. That was not clear since the camera crew drove up to a location and there were men there digging or hurrying away from where they had been digging. The area didn’t look that expansive.
Peru is a third world country..Much as African countries cant control poaching of wildlife. The sad part is that its Peruvian people looting and selling artifacts of their culture.
Deette Kearns it is indeed tragic. I have been to Peru every year for the last 15 years due to being married to a Peruvian. Unfortunately you have a country with millions of square kilometres of archaeological sites. Some in desolate deserts, some in hidden mountain valleys or in their peaks. Some in deep dense jungles. Then you have a nation which collects trivial tax revenue from a population that struggles for the basic necessities. Archaeology isn’t their greatest priority. All their public infrastructure is poorly funded. On my last trip to Trujillo, one taxi driver showed me his necklace, which is ancient Mochican. He dug it up on the beach one day. There is so much of this stuff it is constantly emerging from the sand.
Cause he was from England. They didn't want to hurt their reputation even more about stealing more great art from the America's. Get a scapegoat instead.
As a Brazilian I wonder how many incredible things must be under the dense trees of Amazonia. We have so many fascinating discovery in countries around us that seems weird to think that's nothing here. We know nothing about our history before colonization, except some hieroglyphics that nobody can read until now.
Narrators set the tone, the feeling of a documentary. I associate this one with those tabloid like, crime documentaries, therefore it causes me an uncertainty of trust, a shadow over the subject, unease. Amazing how our Subconscious is active in our Conscious Experiences, without a Conscious request.
Let's see, who could have the means to steal in a foreign country? And have ability to pass customs without having his luggage inspected of Peru and another country where he would arrive ? And have the means to hide it and at the same time time show it to the world in a book? The guy from Costa Rica is not the one . Wouldn't you guys agree?
I agree. I mean, didn't they say Rocko bought it from Raul ? Patterson just put on an art show. That's it. The art pieces where not his. Blame it on the black dude who didn't do anything.
Cool stuff. There is so much of this stuff on the black market. It's hard to tell w gold and stone what is real or fake. Still cool to see. Unfortunately For most collectors. The black market is probably the most common and economical way to go. So it is a never ending cycle. Collectors have to have these objects. It's an obsession, and the black market is sadly a cheap fix.
They want to blame everything on Patterson, i wonder why. They said the Rockel dude bought the piece from Raul. They never questioned Rockel. Van rine basically accused Patterson with no evidence and just tried to destroy his reputation. At least peru got the piece back.
Odd, that the Museums and Collectors come off looking so innocent, while the Middle Man does the risk, time, and carries the Judgemental negative Reputation. While, the Provence was accurate, and Patterson was left alone? This isn't clear at all. (Other than an outstanding Warrant for Questioning.)
People say about some kinda black market... Has anyone been in Peru market? Probably 1% who can offer you original pieces. Rest is made in China or Peru.
No se si solo fue una puesta en escena lo de los saqueadores en el vídeo, pero de ser reales, espero le haya dado avisó a las autoridades. Es triste que por unos centavos la gente borre de un país, toda la historia que podían contarnos estas culturas y sobre todo generar turismo en beneficio de toda su población.
How many pieces of Antiquity remain in their original form, throughout the World, in Private Elite Homes and Museums, without description of context? In Egypt, every Tomb but King Tut's, was looted in variable years of Antiquity. I wonder if any remains in it's original form. Any? This is the case for all Ancient Civilizations. I wonder if anyone has ever studied this subject, at any point of Orgin, any of the past Cultures? Peru is certainly on top of the subject in various contexts. However, one must give reasonable thoughts to the "situations behind the Looters", * suspect most were initially moved to loot due to economic situation, to the point of For Food. These are likely more common that the merely for theft and profits, by location/country. Not at all surprised the Rockefeller Foundation would have stolen art, keeping in mind, the Purchaser can be saving an artifact from "melt down". +/-
IF the tomb was undiscovered until the grave robbers looted it how can there be photos of the headdress that was in the undiscovered tomb. How can there be photos of something that hadn't been discovered?
This is by far the most daft comment I've ever read in this channel. The pictures are obviously taken AFTER the headdress was recovered and sent back to Peru, to be displayed in the museum.
The Moche were a Coastal Clan not Andean that were part of the Chimu Ethnic Group of South America. I should know as I descend from the Huancavilca, another Clan of the Chimu Ethnic Group.
Even though I'm not religious, it's easy to see why the Spanish conquistadors and their priests viewed much New World art as demonic. So many of the cultures there were big on human sacrifice and pure, blood-thirsty horror, as shown in that work. They might have still been that way to this day if they hadn't been conquered.
You're jealous of the great work of art. Europeans were the ones ignorantly burning people and chopping their heads off cause they thought they were witches and werewolves. I think you were brainwashed . Native American civilizations will always be more advanced. Remember all the Europeans here in America wrote about how Majestic the piramids , the Arts and Culture were and are here. We have an abundance of art made of gold and a wealth of Culture still. That's why Europeans are here and not in their homeland.
verry interesting show. while I find the act of grave robbing reprehensible I do not believe governments should be seizing these works of art. I do not believe governments should just assume ownership and steal things people find from them. I believe those works of art belong to the people of the nations they were stolen from and should be displayed in private museums but the government should not be involved. governments are made up for the protection of the people and their intrests, but they seem to believe that they own everything and we just borrow from them what they think we should be allowed to borrow. england seems to have a good system where they pay a portion of the value of found treasures to the finder and then display the items for the people to see , but the united states just seizes items and you do not get paid for them and most likely end up in jail for posessing them. I just find this wrong no matter how you look at it.
You buy a stolen watch you hand it over. Yes. To government whose job it is to seek justice if they can locate it. Justice is that the watch goes back to the original owner. In the case if this stunning artifact....it belongs to the people. In a museum for all to see. Thank you, Scotland Yard.
...the octopus arm suckers look like gear teeth... ...speculating the headdress / breastplate signified the head-mechanic.... ....ancient people must have had a sense of artistic humor also...
Why can’t they offer the men some money for the bits they dig up. Or at least pay for photos I know they can’t buy everything. It’s so sad it’s getting lost in private collections
Mot(Korean) is nail which sounds same as Tomorrow(English)/ My work/Four's-Job. Pond(English) is mot(Korean). Tomorrow's ponds/reserved water for disaster will be hit.
What is sad is that the people in Peru who dig up graves & steal items are depriving all the other people in Peru a part of their own heritage. Countries need to know their own histories. I'd never grave rob. It's disgusting. Plus even though they got the head dress back, they've lost all the other items so the identity of the dead person and what role he/she played is lost for ever.
Art theft is always sad, but historical art theft is way worse, because it destroys knowledge about the old cultures forever. These pieces belong into the hands of scientists and public ownership.
Great story, I hope more can be found and returned to where they belong!
the thing that sucks. is all of the funerary items buried with these mocha royals tells their life story basically.. its like the Spanish burning all of the Inca/Maya literature when the conquistadors came calling..
great story i come around to watch after was searching for nothing but something to learn. i cannot believe the university of munich would have provided help to autentify a loaded peruvian art unless it is from government to government or museum to museum..but private collectors.....incredible . but what surprises me more is the way this exquisite art has passed the airport security; once again corruption and careless care from the peruvian authorities. que carajo.
however i am so happy to know the peruvian art of my ancestors is back home i hope you and some others help to fiend the other objects that are somewhere; the world and peruvians want to see them in our land and museum....
God forgive the catholic church!
The filth of modern lawyers is incredible. Filthy profession.
Peru, great country in the world 👌🏻 🇵🇪
Indeed, why prosecute the scapegoat, Patterson. Mr Rockel should be prosecuted for buying stolen national artifacts, knowingly purchasing stolen artifacts.!!!???? And then selling some that DID NOT BELONG to him.!!!???
Can you imagine the sacrificial circumstances? I imagine feuding and all sorts of dark things. Amazing history related to these beautiful artifacts.
Its unimaginable...It blows my mind these people didnt know of the wheel...THE WHEEL!!!
@@trevorb7645 they must have. Look at the massive stones in pre Inca cultures at similar times. They must have known of the wheel.
@@heightsofsagarmatha you would think so..how could they not. Some say that they simply had no need for it
The idea that a grain grinder can be spun gives the idea that it can move things it’s like basically saying they where too stupid to realize that a round object will traverse terrain better than any other like a triangle square or.
Excellent Documentary!!! Thank You!👍👏😘
Awesome documentary!
Amazing watch you done very much nice video goad bless you with lots of love ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️👍👍👍
Interesting report. Thanks for let them known this story............ a lot of thinks pass in my mind........👍👍👍👍🦙🇵🇪👍👍
If the government of Peru knew/knows a certain area holds ancient graves, basically a historical cemetery, why the hell isn’t is fenced/gated/policed/something?
All of Peru is archeological, so there's not enough money and policemen for every place of the country, we are talking about 1000 000 km of archeological territory.
@@elizabethfiorella4109 - Okay. That was not clear since the camera crew drove up to a location and there were men there digging or hurrying away from where they had been digging. The area didn’t look that expansive.
Peru is a third world country..Much as African countries cant control poaching of wildlife. The sad part is that its Peruvian people looting and selling artifacts of their culture.
Deette Kearns it is indeed tragic. I have been to Peru every year for the last 15 years due to being married to a Peruvian. Unfortunately you have a country with millions of square kilometres of archaeological sites. Some in desolate deserts, some in hidden mountain valleys or in their peaks. Some in deep dense jungles. Then you have a nation which collects trivial tax revenue from a population that struggles for the basic necessities. Archaeology isn’t their greatest priority. All their public infrastructure is poorly funded. On my last trip to Trujillo, one taxi driver showed me his necklace, which is ancient Mochican. He dug it up on the beach one day. There is so much of this stuff it is constantly emerging from the sand.
I think the only curse is the one of greed.
Your doing Great job keep it up 100%
Wild ride! 😱 Amazing story. How much more is out there who can say. 🥺
What??? They couldn't investigate Anton Roekl???
Cause he was from England. They didn't want to hurt their reputation even more about stealing more great art from the America's. Get a scapegoat instead.
As a Brazilian I wonder how many incredible things must be under the dense trees of Amazonia. We have so many fascinating discovery in countries around us that seems weird to think that's nothing here. We know nothing about our history before colonization, except some hieroglyphics that nobody can read until now.
Narrators set the tone, the feeling of a documentary. I associate this one with those tabloid like, crime documentaries, therefore it causes me an uncertainty of trust, a shadow over the subject, unease.
Amazing how our Subconscious is active in our Conscious Experiences, without a Conscious request.
Let's see, who could have the means to steal in a foreign country? And have ability to pass customs without having his luggage inspected of Peru and another country where he would arrive ?
And have the means to hide it and at the same time time show it to the world in a book?
The guy from Costa Rica is not the one . Wouldn't you guys agree?
No, I wouldn't. It doesn't take much to smuggle these things from a country like Peru
I agree. I mean, didn't they say Rocko bought it from Raul ? Patterson just put on an art show. That's it. The art pieces where not his. Blame it on the black dude who didn't do anything.
Why do they just stand there and let the looter get away with it?!?! 😱😠
Wild1 P what it is okay for the state to profit from these finds but not the poor people who live there? Do u know how retarded that is
That headdress does not depict an octopus. No octopus has all of that extra detail at the end of every tentacle.
It isn't an exact life replica...its an artistic representation....like so much art from around the world.
Cool stuff. There is so much of this stuff on the black market. It's hard to tell w gold and stone what is real or fake.
Still cool to see. Unfortunately For most collectors. The black market is probably the most common and economical way to go. So it is a never ending cycle. Collectors have to have these objects. It's an obsession, and the black market is sadly a cheap fix.
They want to blame everything on Patterson, i wonder why. They said the Rockel dude bought the piece from Raul. They never questioned Rockel. Van rine basically accused Patterson with no evidence and just tried to destroy his reputation. At least peru got the piece back.
The blue eyes on the gold statue mean it is a Vericocha.
Odd, that the Museums and Collectors come off looking so innocent, while the Middle Man does the risk, time, and carries the Judgemental negative Reputation.
While, the Provence was accurate, and Patterson was left alone? This isn't clear at all. (Other than an outstanding Warrant for Questioning.)
People say about some kinda black market... Has anyone been in Peru market? Probably 1% who can offer you original pieces. Rest is made in China or Peru.
the multidisciplinary similarities with the aegean protogreeks are beyond coincidence !
No se si solo fue una puesta en escena lo de los saqueadores en el vídeo, pero de ser reales, espero le haya dado avisó a las autoridades.
Es triste que por unos centavos la gente borre de un país, toda la historia que podían contarnos estas culturas y sobre todo generar turismo en beneficio de toda su población.
How many pieces of Antiquity remain in their original form, throughout the World, in Private Elite Homes and Museums, without description of context?
In Egypt, every Tomb but King Tut's, was looted in variable years of Antiquity. I wonder if any remains in it's original form. Any?
This is the case for all Ancient Civilizations.
I wonder if anyone has ever studied this subject, at any point of Orgin, any of the past Cultures?
Peru is certainly on top of the subject in various contexts.
However, one must give reasonable thoughts to the "situations behind the Looters", * suspect most were initially moved to loot due to economic situation, to the point of For Food.
These are likely more common that the merely for theft and profits, by location/country.
Not at all surprised the Rockefeller Foundation would have stolen art, keeping in mind, the Purchaser can be saving an artifact from "melt down". +/-
this narration blows but its better than nothing!
IF the tomb was undiscovered until the grave robbers looted it how can there be photos of the headdress that was in the undiscovered tomb. How can there be photos of something that hadn't been discovered?
This is by far the most daft comment I've ever read in this channel. The pictures are obviously taken AFTER the headdress was recovered and sent back to Peru, to be displayed in the museum.
@@fernandolucenafilms Sure is daft. It's supposed to be & you fell for it!
Is this the same narrator as the first 48 series?
After listening more I have answered my own question, yes it is the same guy
How did the Gregorio Allegri Miserere end up in a program about a Latin American artifact looting?
I wonder if these head dresses and the Greek medusa have anything in common. They certainly remind me of each other.
I doubt that.
Octopi
Why don't they return that what they stole from Africa!
The Moche were a Coastal Clan not Andean that were part of the Chimu Ethnic Group of South America. I should know as I descend from the Huancavilca, another Clan of the Chimu Ethnic Group.
i havnt seen an awful lot of hard evidence ?, so there is some then .
for shizzle my beezzle
Mot-tche! means Do not cut ! Tche-jy-ma! Tjjara means milking , extract them , make furniture or find idea in Korean.
Even though I'm not religious, it's easy to see why the Spanish conquistadors and their priests viewed much New World art as demonic. So many of the cultures there were big on human sacrifice and pure, blood-thirsty horror, as shown in that work. They might have still been that way to this day if they hadn't been conquered.
You're jealous of the great work of art. Europeans were the ones ignorantly burning people and chopping their heads off cause they thought they were witches and werewolves. I think you were brainwashed . Native American civilizations will always be more advanced. Remember all the Europeans here in America wrote about how Majestic the piramids , the Arts and Culture were and are here. We have an abundance of art made of gold and a wealth of Culture still. That's why Europeans are here and not in their homeland.
verry interesting show. while I find the act of grave robbing reprehensible I do not believe governments should be seizing these works of art. I do not believe governments should just assume ownership and steal things people find from them. I believe those works of art belong to the people of the nations they were stolen from and should be displayed in private museums but the government should not be involved. governments are made up for the protection of the people and their intrests, but they seem to believe that they own everything and we just borrow from them what they think we should be allowed to borrow. england seems to have a good system where they pay a portion of the value of found treasures to the finder and then display the items for the people to see , but the united states just seizes items and you do not get paid for them and most likely end up in jail for posessing them. I just find this wrong no matter how you look at it.
You buy a stolen watch you hand it over. Yes. To government whose job it is to seek justice if they can locate it. Justice is that the watch goes back to the original owner. In the case if this stunning artifact....it belongs to the people. In a museum for all to see. Thank you, Scotland Yard.
...the octopus arm suckers look like gear teeth...
...speculating the headdress / breastplate signified the head-mechanic....
....ancient people must have had a sense of artistic humor also...
Why can’t they offer the men some money for the bits they dig up. Or at least pay for photos I know they can’t buy everything. It’s so sad it’s getting lost in private collections
Mot(Korean) is nail which sounds same as Tomorrow(English)/ My work/Four's-Job. Pond(English) is mot(Korean). Tomorrow's ponds/reserved water for disaster will be hit.
HOSI and MOCHE come from China.
What?
Noted
sorry but its just too sensationalized to be a decent documentary