The fact that you want to air footage of a backstage fight, just because the so called “boss” had his feelings hurt, shows inexplicably how petty the people in charge are and they are being run by children.
WWe and CM punk take shots at Aew all week long: "Hey , this is great, AEW sucks!😁" Tony Khan and Aew hit back: " Hey, you can't do that, it's unprofessional and childish 😤" You guys are hypocrite tw ats
Yall cm punk supporters are funny AF, not realizing CM PUNK blames everyone but who? Himself. But yall ( wwe/cm punk ) are too naive to realize it. WWE and cm punk taking shots all week towards AEW proves that yall are the bullies from race for your life Charlie brown. I thought wwe supported no bullying with their campaign " no bullying ".........hypocrites
@@expum5087 there's a difference between an individual involved in the incident(s) to go on an MMA Podcast and do a shoot interview and the Company said individual once worked for using video from the incident on their own TV for the sole purpose of popping a rating. Also, when this segment is the Highest Rated segment of Dynamite since Punk left I'm going to laugh my effing ass off over the fact that he's still a bigger draw than anyone on their roster.
Dude, they're obviously not a real business. Tony Khan couldn't care less if he makes money. He just wants to book a wrestling company. Also, TK seems to suddenly vanish every single time there's any type of drama.
@@eastwaters4082 A "real" business is about making money. That's not what AEW is. Tony Khan doesn't care about that. It's just a hobby for him. A real life efed he can book.
@@vortex_1336if people disagree they’re stupid, aew was built from tribalism from people wanting an alternative and a billionaire who’s hobby is fantasy booking a efed got it
18:49"why did Schiavone go to Punk instead of Tony Khan?" you ask? Because he (Tony Schiavone) by that point has probably already realized like the rest of us, that TK is a coward that avoids confrontation and responsibility as if it's the plague. And even if Schiavone would have went to Khan first, TK wouldn't have handled it because he would have been scared shitless about the possibility that Jungle Jackoff wouldn't be his friend anymore. And there in lies the key problem with this company. The Owner wants to be a friend instead of a boss. There you go, easy explination.
18:49 Is this guy deaf or something? It's because Tony Schiavone realized he's not a boss that won't do a thing and he's there, so that he can be everyone's friend. I thought this guy already knew, but he's slower than I thought
Okay, Punk has every right to not want to deal with Colt ever again. That was a 20 year friendship that ended very badly, and Colt hurt him. You could tell even in the scrum that Punk had never wanted to talk about it again, but felt forced to. Is he not allowed to not want to ever talk to the guy who not only hurt him on a public and financial level, but even more so on a personal one? I do not agree with how Punk handled everything, but Jesus is he not allowed to cut someone out
Agreed....even Punk said in that interview that he could have handled things a bit better, but what you heard at All Out was a frustrated man left with no recourse because his boss couldn't sit all parties down and talk about the colt situation and put it to rest. Brawl Out doesn't happen if Tony had done his job and be a boss.
Yes, Punk and Colt and Punk and the Bucks is an entirely different situation. Colt wasn't an EVP, and the stuff with Colt involved legal stuff and money. Punk just wanted to bury the bad vibes between him and the Bucks.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Punk never said anything about that situation up until that moment right? People spreading lies about him forced him to do it publicly right?
@@polsdofer Yep, That's the main thing that is lost in all of this. Punk NEVER commented on any of the situations until everyone had already spent MONTHS Spreading rumors about it. Punk has always been the last one to talk about any of the situations.
Also, Solomonster being confused as to why people dont go to TK to handle backstage conflict is bizzare because Punk literally answered his question for him. Tony "what do you want me to do" Khan won't handle it.
Funny how Schiavone has become a sort of “witness to history” -he was there for the Vader/Orndorf fight -he was the one who called Steve Austin (“tell him I’m not here”) -delivered the news that everyone should switch to Raw for Mankind -suggested (kinda) that Arquette should be champion -and now the Jack Perry thing.
An unfortunate occurrence when you spend basically every year of your wrestling career working for companies with horrible management. And the fact that he’s well known for having a great work ethic and being a team player who is well established for always helping with additional duties that need done his entire career and simply doing what his boss tells him to do rather than ever putting up a major fights about stuff. Kinda a frequent occurrence for the people who go above and beyond and eat shit for it.
The fact that everyone who has commented on this situation from AEW didn't deny what Punk said. They just said we don't want to talk about the past or negativity to the company. Just makes me think more and more that Punk is right.
At the end of the day, Punk basically just said that AEW wasn’t the company for him because he thought the leadership was lacking. He reiterated multiple times that he genuinely wishes everyone there well and that he’s happy that they went their separate ways. But to the AEW superfans he’s the devil because he dared to speak the truth about their company who they base their entire personality and identity around lol
Punk said nothing different than what alot of people have said. TK is more concerned with catering to a niche audience than trying to grow his business. His concern is Meltzer star ratings and Observer Awards.
Why can't both parties just move on, punk is doing fine now that he's recovered. AEW just signed a load of talents and focused towards their next PPV. What are the benefits if either one is in the right?
@philly_sports1558 It's funny because he originally didn't sign with the launch of AEW because of that concern, the public handling of the Brodie situation changed his mind and then he got backstage lol
@@silentspiderragreed. It happened in 2022 and people are still talking about this in 2024. Both AEW and pink should just move on from this bs already.
AEW hyping up that they’re going to show the backstage fight on Dynamite proves that CM Punk is still their biggest draw and he doesn’t even work there lol
Exactly when your in negotiations for new TV deal but your losing ratings every week so only thing you can do is go to only star you ever had that gets numbers is embarrassing and pathetic, punk admitted he choked jungle jackass so unless footage shows punk foaming at the mouth lunging for tony whilst 5 wrestlers hold him back then tony is going to look pathetic for going on TV saying he was scared for his life.
@@Jeff_PryceI totally agree but Punk opened the door talking about it. Now if the video proves Punk right AEW just buried themselves even more. But I can't see them showing it unless it proves Punk to be a liar. People are going to interpret it how they want no matter who is right.
26:55 and you STILL think AEW is a well-run business after that announcement. They're a bunch of marks who ran off their biggest star, plain and simple.
I was hoping Tony and AEW would ignore it & just focus on cultivating that momentum they used to have, especially given what Tony said about Ariel's podcast you'd assume they'd do that but... here we are, 2 rah rah speeches, a half dozen twitter posts and now they're dedicating a segment on their prime TV show to not one but TWO people that aren't doing anything and haven't done anything on AEW in months. Obviously Tony is still hurt and upset but fu** sake man, you don't need to reply or have the boys gas yourselves up *EVERY SINGLE TIME* something remotely negative comes out about them whether its articles or disgruntled former employees. But I guess it's too much to ask and hope for that they'd just ignore it and focus on themselves and using that precious TV time on talent thatll make you money.
Point well made. I too was hoping for AEW to focus on the momentum they have right now. However responding to a former employee is so bad. Be the bigger person.
Tony has never taken the high road so why would this have been any different? Tony seems like a genuinely good guy but he makes too may knee jerk emotional choices that really hold things back
@@KAR5AVATARGThe usually always does. I sometimes come back to hear his thoughts on things but it's one of the reasons why I unsubscribed tbh. He sounds like someone that knows the elite are full of 💩 but for some odd reason tries his best to excuse it and make himself believe it.
@@KAR5AVATARGT yea it's just weird how he thinks the whole fight with them and punk really didn't go down with them kicking down his door,it don't seem to wrap around his head that if that whole incident made the bucks look good and punk the evil person then we would have been seen it and there wouldn't be any NDAs as they would have shown that non stop. Bucks kicked down his door and the elite got their 💩 knocked in and their embarrassed about it still to this day. It makes sense as people who was just breaking up the fight got suspended for no reason and so many NDAs instantly already being forced to sign as if the elite is trying to cover up anything they did. Only reason this issue with Jack perry didn't get a NDA is because they thought they could use this to destroy punk which backfired on them hard
Solomonster I love you but if Three people stomped down your door in an aggressive manner you wouldn’t be ready to fight?!?! You act like fights have never happened backstage before in wrestling…
@@TheSolomonsteras far as anyone knows that is wat happened.. wat is ur problem with punk? Hes supposed to jus let people go into business for themselves at his expense? shoot on him? Spread lies about him? Disrespect him? Try to get him fired? At what point are u allowed to stand up for yourself? At what point would YOU stand up for yourself? Im not jus saying physically, cause at the media scrum when punk went off that was him standing up for himself against a group of friends that have essentially been harassing him. And u were saying he was in the wrong for doing that, standing up for himself.. U act like punk is the only common factor in the two fights when there is the common factor of that group of friends that started the issue also. U oversimplify wat actually happened by jus saying punk assaulted coworkers twice, this is not gonna be a 1 to 1 example but it should get my point across, if someones wife got r*ped then the husband m*rders the r*pist r u jus gonna call the husband a m*rderer? and not acknowledge the why of it all? I know its an extreme example but the point remains. And as far as we know the people punk "assaulted" literally asked for it..
“The issue is, that the issue was never dealt with in the first place. There was like a vow of silence put on the entire roster, and things festered and bubbled and turned sour and it was going to burst at some point. It was only a matter of time.” -V1, OSW 2023
4:44 oh c'mon, man. The dude who was in charge of travel is good friends with, and a literal fan of, the Bucks... This was right after the Bucks no showed a planned meeting with Punk before All In.
Exactly. I don’t think it was a coincidence at all. It was all one big game and joke to them to see how far they could push Punk before he finally snapped. They wanted their clubhouse back, and all it cost them was their biggest star ever and the money he brought with him.
@@Jeff_Pryceagree 100%. Punk took there disrespect since he joined the company. Anybody excusing the lead up to the Brawl is clearly biased in those spoilt brats the evps favour. Just my opinion.
@@JWS1985 and then what sure it will get u good earrings for like a show but the next week what are you going to do. Actually to promote a name that’s not even in it company anymore when it doesn’t even continue some type of storyline in there company cm punk is living rent free in Tony khan and he’s making his company worse by doing this
@@JWS1985 Yeah!!😊… …And then what? Can they use this for a PPV? No. Can they use this for a hot feud or an angle? No. All this will do is give free air time to a megastar who they no longer have in their company. It’s amateur and tinpot. That’s why fans are starting to see that company as a joke.
@@Jeff_Pryce Not sure why I am getting called out for what I said. I agree with you, I think this is stupid. They already wasted 10 minutes of TV time with Edge's promo last week and now they're going to add to it with this.
He left it out because it shows that Punk wasn't the root cause of all of this. Solomonster is usually pretty neutral but he is very biased when it comes to Punk vs AEW.
@Solomonster Sounds Pff The comparison between Punk not talking to Colt Cabana and the Young Bucks not wanting to sit down and talk with Punk is a strawman argument. They are in no way related to each other, and have no parallels with each other. Punk not wanting to talk to Colt without a lawyer present stems from Colt suing Punk as part of the whole situation with both of them being sued by the WWE's doctor. I'm not gonna go into details about that, but yes, I can understand why Punk would feel that particular way. It's like "You LIED about the nature of your situation then SUED ME for money". There's some shit you don't come back from, and I believe that is one of them. Your own argument about the Young Bucks being EVPs earlier in this segment just kills your entire point about Punk/Colt. The Bucks are EVPs within AEW. They have a PROFESSIONAL OBLIGATION to sit down with Punk as they're supposed to put the good of the company FIRST over PERSONAL FEELINGS. So you can't say how The Bucks have a professional obligation out of one side of your mouth, then complain when Punk doesn't talk to Colt over a legal situation, and doesn't trust him stemming from that without a lawyer present out of the other side of your mouth.
Why Tony Schiavone didn't go to his boss?! He probably knew Tony Khan wasn't going to do anything about the jack Perry situation... Seems pretty clear to me
I like how you "quoted" punk but didn't quote the most important part of the statement "like Chael said can't let you get close." I would look up Chael Sonnen to see how important that quote is to understand what happened.
You caught that too right😅😅, normally I agree with him on some things but this is probably the most I've ever disagreed with him his hatred and biasness towards punk He's not even trying to hide it ong 😭
@@derekmj6871I've been noticing Solomonster keeps smoking the AEW hopium and this video proves to me Solomonster is biased towards AEW's actions over CM Punk. Also thought it was interesting how Solomonster thinks Punk refusing to converse with Colt Cabana was hypocritical of Punk not realizing Punk had to go through the court system over Colt Cabana, plus all this other crap with Hangman. Sorry but no Solomonster I wholeheartedly agree with Punk I wouldn't talk to Colt Cabana either with out a lawyer.
31:45 I can’t blame Punk. That lawsuit between Punk and Colt got nasty. When you sue a friend, you end the friendship. And it’s really not anyone’s business if one grown man doesn’t want to be friends with another man. Who cares? His choice. It was not worth jeopardizing AEW’s future over COLT CABANA. Most people don’t even know he still works there. 😂
You just compared his annoyance of the Elite refusing to bury the hatchet with him for the better of the company, to Punk refusing to speak without a lawyer to a man he was in a lawsuit against. That is basic common sense when dealing with people who were involved in lawsuits with you, you don't speak to them without your lawyer, and if you do, you do it through text or email. By the way, high level athletes tend to fight a lot, I know that the vast majority of wrestling shows on youtube are done by people with limited experience around athletes from other sports, but they're not typically known for turning the other cheek, especially not when you and a bunch of other guys enter another man's locker room. That's how fights happen, and it's a bad look for wrestling fans as a whole when internet wrestling shows and some fans stomp their high heels about a fight breaking out between guys who literally simulate combat sports as a profession.
It's more unfortunate, with you take into account the fact that as opposed to many other wrestling UA-camrs, he has legit workplace experience and should've been able to distinguish between the two. Yet his take on this is equivalent to that of an average redditor. Him wishing AEW to succeed and provide competition to WWE severely blinded his view regarding this
Solo I've been watching you since I was 15 but your biasness and dislike of CM punk is really clouding your views. You said you watched that entire interview yet you left out a very important piece of punk's quote "can't let you get close", implying that Jack Perry approached him first/got in his face. Or the proven fact that the person in charge of travel was friends with the bucks and everyone else got a ride but him. Also it's time to admit it bro AEW has no real structure and no real leadership what do you expect someone like CM punk to do when he literally went to Tony. did everything professionally what happens when you keep poking the bear.
Jason is one of the most level headed wrestling commentator out there. This is the one major occurrence that I feel he has a distorted view when analysing. Him defending AEW being a 'real business' is the crux of it. I know he wants AEW to be successful like a lot of us, but a real promotion would've incurred far more positives from the period when WWE were down and they had the great momentum of being a novelty act. A properly run merch department alone would've brought down the deficit. He also says WWE is a very old company. True but Vince was acting on his ambition of expanding and going national from the get go, hence taking tons of risks. Yet, in his entire reign that lasted decades, he only lost net money in one solitary year. All other years were profitable
Hey man I would rather get a bit of a blood choke put on me then have my teeth punched out, or have my arm snapped at the elbow and need surgery. It is humiliating sure, but it would be a good lesson. Don't tell someone "if they have a problem, to do something". Unless I was fairly sure I could protect myself.
All the experience listeners are laughing because we’ve know this shit for years 😂 people have finally realized that Meltzer was legit lying and or saying lies fed to him by the elite
Imagine Jack Perry thinking he could afford to have a bad attitude. Who TF is he?? He’s not a draw, he’s not over except his old song. Completely ass as a promo, mid as a wrestler in the ring. He disappeared and nobody misses him, it’s hardly noticed he’s gone. F*ck that guy.
@@ChaelSonnen000you know who he’s talking about. Doesn’t matter if he says JP or Jack Perry. Like damn you must be so miserable to hate on an abbreviation.
Punk by his own admission WANTED OUT after Brawl Out and TK kept him around. He wanted to leave, he wanted to be released. That’s pretty important to remember when you look back on his return to the company last summer.
So, you wait one week after you fire Punk, you bring back Cabana (for a one-time appearance on Dynamite, before exiling him to backstage roles in ROH. You also have your EVP's do a victory lap, on live TV. You let dirt sheet writers tear Punk down, whether he deserves it or not... Yet, after one podcast interview (that wasn't even aired on TV, or has a reach of tens of millions of people... EVERYONE (seemingly) in AEW had to scramble to do damage control... by bringing up Punk (again). I'm not the biggest CM Punk fan, but all of this seems really petty from AEW, and they should be better than that. Let your product, your in-ring action, all of THAT needs to speak for you... not this childish reactionary bull.
Like, if Punk was lying, call him out. If Punk was acting like a whiny crybaby... don't stoop to his level. If there's legitimate footage proving him wrong, and you are legally allowed to do so, then have at it. But if your only course of action is to wink and nod at the crowd, or pull something related to a bait and switch... this might potentially be the Finger Poke of Doom for AEW.
The fact you got Eddie Kingston & Tony Schivonia say they want to move on from brawl out & brawl in but now Tony is showing the footage from brawl in. Who does it help AEW gets rid of this dark cloud & now they are brining it back up who does it help
The only point I always thought Punk made too big a deal of was the Hangman promo. I didn't see why one little verbal jab about defending the locker room could elicit such a massive and prolonged anger from Punk, but hearing his explanation about how it was a whole segment they talked over and pre-produced that Hangman completely sabotaged afterward, it makes complete sense that Punk would hold on to that as his breaking point.
Yeah. Combine that with the ESPN interview where he revealed he was checking on Hangman during his bout with COVID and all that, and even just the way he seems a lot less "it is what it is" in this interview, I think it really is personal with Hangman, and I get why he'd feel that way.
Why? Here’s why. The issue wasn’t what Page said. It was that Page went into business for himself on LIVE TV. Punk has never been in a situation where someone on the top professional level decided to completely throw out the planned script and leave him holding the bag WHILE Page was trashing him and he didn’t know what Page was talking about. You NEVER go into business for yourself in wrestling. EVER. It’s a business based on trust and teamwork. You need each other to sell your feud and draw money. It was a championship main event for a PPV, the biggest one in AEW history at that point in time. They were red hot. They had seats to fill, tickets to sell. And instead of doing business like a professional, Page ambushed Punk for his own agenda and risked making the company look bad on live television, which is expensive, millions of dollars. It’s amateur bullshit. If Page had done that to me, I would’ve gone straight to Tony and said, “I refuse to work with this guy. I can’t trust him. Either take the belt off him now and get me another person to work with, or take me out of this program. But I’m not working with this douche again. Or you had better discipline him. That’s the only way you’ll get me to work with him.”
Not only did he go to business of his own, but even the rage that that d-grade work-shoot promo was predicated on was a heresay (or deliberately contrived narrative). Punk had nothing to do with Cobaba's contract non-renewal which TK himself later clarified during scrum
So, if you were in the middle of a live performance, and your acting partner intentionally went completely off script (after you had already discussed a game plan) in a petty attempt to humiliate you, you wouldn’t have anything to say?
AEW is a business because they have revenue? No. They'd be a business if they weren't investing a fortune in to make way less revenue. This is Tony playing with wrestlers like action figures.
Solomonster - between you and CM Punk, who has actually been in AEW and seen the way they do business first-hand? He has. And you're gonna dismiss his observation because you think it's just spite towards the Bucks? 🤨 And I'm sorry, but not even scratching an 800,000 avg total viewers (without the Big Bang Theory lead-in) after FIVE YEARS and god knows how many ex-WWE talents in the door tells me they've backslided.
It's probably because punk lies and exaggerates all the time. If someone has a reputation for doing something, it's probably safe to assume they're doing the same thing again.
@@C2190 lmao listen to his entire podcast with colt cabana. And look at him now. It's full of lies and exaggerations. Damn near every time he went on aew tv, and all the things he said about wwe.. And look at him now. He got exposed as a fraud in the ufc, that didn't know what he was doing. It's not a coincidence that everywhere this guy goes, all the bridges get burnt. Open your eyes, you cant be this dumb. Well, maybe you can be, but still.
@C2190 Exactly. People accused him lying when he got the staph infection. Of course, when lawsuit came out, it was proven that he did got the staph infection and all those people who called him a liar were silent. Funny how that works
If you use your logic here then you me or anyone else can comment on anything AEW does because we have not been in AEW. Alot of people have opinions of TK but how of these people who have commented have actually been backstage or seen how TK actually works and how AEW operates. I think its better when we all just sit back and enjoy wrestling and be happy people have multiple places to work other then WWE and get to make good money doing it.
I don’t know showing footage of one of his hand picked stars getting choked out by a guy who should have been fired forever ago is the flex that Tony thinks it is. Edit: This is gonna be one hell of a Dark Side of the Ring episode.
5 years ago, WWE sucked and AEW was amazing. Now 5 years later, WWE delivered their greatest ending to a wrestling PPV of all time and AEW is embarrassing themselves by bringing back old wounds from last year on this week. How the tables have turned now
It's a good example of how businesses can make mistakes and come back from them if they listen to their fan base. AEW was formed as a business which was gonna listen to fan base which felt they weren't being heard. AEW does need to continue being a business. WWE has ALWAYS focused on business and had (for a time) forgotten their fanbase. They're getting back to it. AEW needs to get back to that balance.
@@ChrisWolff2013WWE is a legacy business at this point. Even when they sucked hard, they still had decent ratings in comparison to today's TV landscape. They could go autopilot mode from tomorrow and probably still last 2-3 decades. AEW doesn't have that luxury. They should be gunning for the top with every ounce of energy they have (like Vince did when he first took over) instead of being complacent when WWE isn't as hot like right now
Love your show, Solo, but your dislike of Punk is really clouding your view, as well as leaving a lot of important details out of it (The Chael Sonen "can't let you get close" quote and implication of that, the fact that the person in charge od travel is friends with The Bucks and only Pubk didn't have his transportation, the fact that Colt Cabana and CM Punk were in an ACTIVE lawsuit and thats why Punk said he wouldn't talk without a lawyer present, etc.).
@@4zafinche sounds a lot like their fan base who do everything they can to not admit to the issues within that company simply because it's not WWE. You can be a fan of something or someone but you can still acknowledge the issues and faults to call them out. It don't make a hater but an actual fan who wants to see better. I think a lot of people who are so emotionally attached to any form of entertainment or celebrity forget that
@@dominicarroyo6269 are you suggesting Solo gives AEW a pass no matter what they do? If that's the case you must not be a regular viewer of his and just have a stereotyical perception that you're trying to fit him into. He criticizes AEW programming aplenty. He just became blind when it came to the Punk stuff
Same here. His bias against Punk drove me away like a year or so ago. I've came here to read comments and am happy that many point this out now, I mean how wrong he is on the whole situation.
Okay, I’m not buying into when podcasters act like they don’t want to talk about this drama again. We all know these videos get podcasters their highest views and makes them the most money. And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that, it’s what people are most interested in. Some old head likes to say “controversy creates cash”. And that’s at least one thing the old head is correct about lol. The footage will def get people talking again. I do hope after all of this we can finally put it to bed because the tribalism isn’t healthy.
Repeatedly talking about something can make you money time and time again, and you can also be sick of feeling like Groundhog Day saying that same something repeatedly. These aren't mutually exclusive.
@@retrokoh my argument to that would be don’t talk about it then. Is it a revenue loss? Sure, but it’s their platform. You can lead by example and not talk about it. But again I don’t think people are really tired of talking about it. It’s just some level of grandstanding I think. But I also don’t think anything is wrong with being interested in the drama or making money off it as long as they aren’t doing anything intentionally malicious.
@@muzman486 Imwhen you are a content creator, it isnt as simple as a single revenue loss. Viewers jump onto what is topical. If they see that you arent on whatever is topical, or the algorithm doesnt run in your favor, you lose a little bit more than view performance in one video. That's why every content creator remains on sth hot when it rears its head again and again. Now, are some just "grandstanding"? Absolutely! I don't personally get that sense from Solo. I could be completely wrong on that, but who's to say?
Again when it comes to Punk, Solomonster is totally biased IMHO. First incident between Punk and the Bucks the man was confronted in his locker room by multiple individuals, they were not there to have tea with him. If a group of people come at me and invade my personal space for WHATEVER REASON during a contentious situation at that point it’s self defense. So I disagree with your analysis of the first one. The second incident with choking Perry is one I’ll concede, Punk is dead to rights on that one. The whole thing with you believing Punk is saying that AEW isn’t a real business is because he was mad at the Bucks for not being EVP’s and having a meeting with him to iron things out is a shit take and total projection. The place isn’t operated like a real business is generally he meant. We know it’s a tangible business operation which should be apparent to anyone with sense, but at the very least if executives don’t want to having a meeting with a high profile talent cuz there feelings are hurt then I’d be ticked off at that too. There was money to be made but executives cared more about hating Punk then caring about AEW’s growth. Which is why you don’t let glorified jobbers be put in that position.
Tony Khan are all those restaurant owners on Kitchen Nightmares who so wanted to run a restaurant with zero real expertise, and end up way over their heads and listening to all the wrong people. Then they bring in Gordon Ramsey, listen to him for a month, then go back to what they were doing. That's what Punk means by its not a real business.
Punk is not wrong about the situation with Colt when Colt reached out. He too could’ve stopped the fire from spreading by tweeting something like Punk had nothing to do with him being moved to ROH but he stayed silent. If Punk wants a lawyer around him for Colt wanting to talk to him, can you blame him? Colt took his then friend to court trying to get money from him.
I think what needs to be understood is Punk has an old school wrestler mentality. He's not part of this group of people who grew up watching WWE and wanting to do spot after spot. Guys back in the day were killed for not selling. What do you think would have happened if Jack pulled that shit with Bruiser Brodie?
Gotta disagree your showing ur journalist colors. Choking a co-worker is a crazy offense at a H&R block or a chillis but in wrestling? Hell in any sport, teammates fight behind the scenes. Comes down to the boss not being a Boss
How can you say AEW is a business. Business's attempt to make a profit. Even with a tv deal they still wont make a profit. Thats a project not a business. Solomonster has been getting on my nerves lately.
Solomonster missed a key point when he was talking about how he choked out Jack Perry, after Punk said he would've killed Jack Perry he also quoted Chael Sonnen by saying "don't get too close", meaning Jack must have gotten too close to Punk (maybe even got on Punk's face), thus triggering the choke out. Not making any excuses but if someone is all up in your face & they're not budging, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
He's as guilty as anyone. Everyone involved is guilty. What's annoying me is people want the company to die and people to lose their jobs who weren't involved. He was right about the glass. He was right to be mad about the perry comments. He was wrong to put hands on him for it. That seemed to me (just me) like he wanted out and was looking for a way out and decided that he would do whatever to get out and he did. Tony Khan is a good business man in the wrong business. He has many veterans under contract he needs to trust and allow to help with creative, backstage issues. The bucks were wrong to not try to resolve the issues. Jack was wrong about the glass and the tantrum.
Face it Solomonster, AEW is a terrible company. You bias is so obvious that you can't see the facts that they can't draw, ratings AND ticket sales are DOWN face it they are WCW 2000. Punk just exposed what everyone has been saying for years and you AEW Stans can't handle it. Keep saying Wembley all you want but when Edge is giving a promo to a section of like 30 people, people have tuned out.
Trying to compare Punk not wanting to talk to Cabana to The Bucks not wanting to talk to Punk, to work a program that would have been the biggest in the business at that time, is text book disingenuous. Jesus, Solo.. what happened to you?
13:37 And THAT right there truly sums it up. Forget the ‘meeting that never was’. Everything said, and whispered, and plotted against Punk from the beginning was Never in the best interest of the company. It was always in THEIR best interests as “EVPS” maintaining influence to keep pushing their awful unfunny stuff with their friends.
“I didn’t punch anybody, I just choked some off a little bit” will go down as the best line of 2024 🤣 anyone that’s been apart of a mma gym or a BJJ school would pop for that🤣
@@expum5087 there’s also a big difference this is more like when WWF did the Billionaire Ted War Room skits which much like this was just advertising for their competition.
Not even Vince McMahon of all people wanted to air the live camera footage of Bret Hart punching McMahon in the face right after the Montreal Screwjob happened that night.
That's because McMahon claimed he "gave Bret a free shot" and implied he could either beat Bret up or hang with him in a fight. Everyone knows Bret would destroy Vince in a fight. If Vince thought the video would make him look strong you bet your life he would have aired the footage.
@@bustmych0ps489 Vince let Bret punch him as Bret said he would if he was still there and he stayed there. If Vince wanted to hurt Bret or wanted to avoid Vince hitting him He'd have brought backup.
LMAO CM punk is Absolutely right AEW isn't a real business we're still talking about punk and AEW after an amazing night 2 of Wrestlemania the most fucked up thing about this was the fact that punk had no transportation to go to wembley that's fucked up on AEW'S part totally irresponsible look at how terrible AEW'S product has become since then plus why would they let adam copeland give this rah rah speech all because someone that doesn't work there said the truth adam was the completely wrong person to say that why couldn't they have someone else who's been there longer do the promo or better yet don't acknowledge it and prove CM Punk wrong.
They haven't made a single cent of profit, they waste absurd amounts of money on f'n nobodies, they waste absurd money on arenas they can't fill. They push away the only guy who drew eyeballs, who sold tickets. How can anyone argue they ARE a real business? TK doesn't care about profit, therefore it's not a real business. End of f'n story.
I believe a good portion of what Punk said but he was definitely sugar coating the Choking. I'm at the point now where even if they show the footage of Punk being a maniac and starting the brawl with Jack Perry. Its still on Tony Khan for failing to manage his talent. If Jack Perry was throwing a tantrum, send him home or fire him for his unprofessional behavior. It should never been up to Punk to manage any of the talent and Punk should have known better than to Chock a coworker. If he had kept his cool and walked away he would have been 100 percent in the right.
Punk shouldn't have been the one to suggest a sit down when he's not an evp or boss, that should've started with Tony Khan and then the bucks. Sounds to me like he has more sense than they do. What a shame.
Solomonster sounds like he's running for office with this long winded promo. But 3 words from a former successful promoter should ring true in this case. Context Is King.
I'm tired of reading and hearing AEW fans named Mark saying, "Why so negative, bro? Why does he have to talk about it?" AEW, the Elite, and their fans have been burying Punk for over a year and when Punk FINALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, talks about it; it's, "What's with all this negativity, bro?" Fans conveying this message prove that everything said about them as AEW fans has been 100% true.
I still have no idea how showing the video would be a benefit. If it isn’t that bad, it makes TK look like an idiot and scared for his life for nothing. If Punk is handling Jungle, it makes Jungle look like a weak child. And if Jungle is the aggressor, it just makes TK look like a weak boss, who allows a no name start crap with a top star. I really don’t see anything that would help the cause of AEW.
Love you Solomonster but this is one of those times when I completely disagree, everything Punk said was true and AEW knows it which is why they and their fans are freaking the fuck out. The Elite have way more blame in this because they’re not just talent they’re fucking EVPS which means they have a responsibility to do what’s best for business instead they do whatever the fuck they want and Tony doesn’t do jack shit about it and that’s what drove Punk nuts and rightfully so. AEW selling out Wembley stadium I think is massively overblown that stadium doesn’t host major wrestling often so having a promotion that’s on national TV run a show there is a rarity so of course it’s gonna sell, same with Revolution selling out because of Stings retirement, it’s a novelty you can’t pull that shit every ppv, WCW even at its creative worst in 2000 was still selling out in other countries, and let’s not forget that AEW has yet to turn a profit in its existence, and they’ve been losing viewers since they first started and the novelty of the promotion is gone so I doubt they’re gonna get a massive increase in the tv rights deal. Tony Khan being a billionaire absolutely props up AEW let’s not downplay that, TNA and NWA never had anywhere near that kinda financial backing hell a lot of talent struggled to get paid, Tony’s throwing $ left and right to talented and untalented wrestlers who are either booked like shit or never had a chance of moving the needle. Tony doesn’t know what the fuck he is doing, the talent know it but they ain’t gonna say shit because they wanna ride the gravy train for as long as they can. Punk was willing to work with the elite, they weren’t gonna become friends but he was willing to be professional so they could draw some $ and put on a compelling product, but the Elite aren’t interested in that because it’s not their $ on the line and they know Tony ain’t gonna do shit, how the fuck can you justify giving executive power to people who don’t give a shit about what’s best for the company? It’s fucking idiotic and eventually it’s all gonna fall apart
I've been hearing you say time and time again that no one is safe from criticism, and there's equal blame to go around, yet you always seem extra angry at Punk. I have NO clue why you decided to completely skip over the part where he talked about the situation with Hangman Page, when Hangman decided to go into business for himself. Both Page and Punk discussed the promo beforehand, and then Page stabbed him in the back. Please explain how that is not a fireable offense, or at least a suspension? The EVPs decided to put a fake story out that Punk wanted Cabana gone, which is funny because Cabana was in the company several months with Punk, and there were NO issues. How is that not a fireable offense, or at least strip them of their EVP titles? The point I'm trying to make here is that you think Punk should've been fired, yet ALL he did was defend himself from others' actions. He did NOT start anything on his own, everything he did was a reaction from what OTHER people were doing to him. He tried to get it handled professionally, but the supposed 'Boss' did NOT want to handle it. There's only so much a person can take before they have to defend himself, and you think that's HIS fault?? Regardless, if having a physical altercation is a fireable offense to you, then should Chris Jericho have been fired for his backstage fight with Goldberg? The SAME EXACT situation happened, Goldberg threatened him, and Jericho choked him out. Keeping it to AEW, I've NEVER seen you advocate for the firing of Eddie Kingston or Sammy Guevara when both of them have gotten involved in numerous backstage physical altercations. You also left out the part when Punk was talking about the confrontation with Perry that you shouldn't let people get 'too close.' Solo, you're from New York, have you never seen a confrontation before?? I find that very hard to believe, which is why this is very confusing to me. Why in the hell would you let ANYONE get that close to you who's threatening you? You don't know what they're going to do, so why even give them that opportunity? Do you honestly think that Taker, Stone Cold, or even Bret Hart wouldn't have reacted the same way if Perry was threatening them? They probably would've done much worse to Perry. You also didn't talk about the part where Punk stated that "If you're happy about having a five star match in a building that's only 25% full, then we're not in the same business." THAT'S what Punk was talking about when he said AEW wasn't a 'real business,' because THAT'S what AEW cares about over actually making money. ANY other business would be trying to change things when there's low ratings and attendance, yet AEW isn't concerned about that at all, just trying to please people like Dave Meltzer. Maybe that's why you didn't talk about this part, because it paints Meltzer in a bad light, and for whatever reason you continuously use him as a main source even though he's been thoroughly discredited time after time again. It's funny, for many years Punk was never EVER seen as someone who lies. When he was shitting on WWE, he was being cheered over and over, yet when he criticizes indy favorites, and AEW, now he's seen as someone who isn't trustworthy. Well, here's how I see it, Punk is the only one being open about this, and the other side is saying nothing. Usually when someone hands out NDAs, they have something to hide, kind of like Vince. Why is Vince an asshole for making people sign NDAs, yet it's fine for Tony Khan to constantly hand out NDAs? When Punk didn't answer about whether he got hurt before or after the Brawl Out fight, that tells me that he got hurt in that fight, and TK did NOT want Punk to sue the company over the EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENTS hurting an employee. Do I know that for a fact? No, but I do know that it makes NO sense to have someone sign an NDA because they got hurt in a wrestling match. I have no clue why you continue to stick up for people like the Bucks and their friends. Yeah, they were there to help form AEW, but what positive contribution do they really bring to the company? They start drama, they drove people away from attending the shows, and they lower the ratings every time they're on the screen. Why would ANY proper business continue to deal with people like this? If this was your company, would you continue to deal with that? I know that if it was my company, I wouldn't want to deal with people like that.
Solomonster comes off so pedantic at times that it’s easy to see why people call him an AEW apologist. His PR brain can’t let go that this is a different work environment than anything he’s ever experienced which is why he chooses to back up the worthless EVPs when they’re the ones who caused all of this to begin with. I know he points out their part in this too but everything is a cause and effect. If Punk felt like the only option at that point was to choke somebody out a little bit it’s so easy to understand why if you actually follow this whole saga from the start. Stop trying to spread blame and direct it to the root causes of this. AEW is only a business because Shad Khan is a billionaire with a mark son. That’s it.
Part of the issue I had was the complete disrespect of everyone that was there day one of AEW. When Punk didn’t congratulate his co workers and staff for All In. The way he said,” Finally a million dollars draw.” It took a whole team of wrestlers and backstage personnel for multiple years to make that night possible. It came off as he was the only one on the PPV, while several people made it possible for him to get a second chance and get paid. What we don’t know is how everyone else working there interpreted what he said, which he sounded hostile most of the scrum. That’s like going to work and a project got completed, but you take 100% of the credit and you did the least work. I guarantee some of the people involved would dislike the insecure credit whore at that moment. Completely ignoring what everyone else gone through to make the project work. We talk about miscommunication and what not. But, none of us know what transpired from when Punk left the media to the locker room to the door banging incident. All could’ve been cleared up without the unnecessary drama. All sides failed at being professional and an “adult.” Tony badly fumbled the ball as a boss. Punk can’t say he’s innocent in this with having back and forth on Twitter with Hangman before the UK PPV. Personally, I wished all side move on, but here we are again. If you can’t take people attacking you back, disrespecting, or criticizing you, then shut up for once. No one is obligated to be your punching bag. It’s only natural for you to reap what you sowed.
It sounds like Jack Perry squared up to Punk, and before he can do anything Punk took him down with a chokehold first. Was he suppose to wait and see what Perry's intentions were first? People think Punk choked him out for smart ass remarks.
@@Justin3Santiago One of the most hilarious moments in the history of media, by the way. So fucking funny with Chael saying "fucking amateur" as he completes a double-leg.
Some of this aged pretty bad, Solo. Come on, you mean you had no problem with Bret attacking Shawn, but Bret 2 facelocks someone from Kilq 2, and it's unconsciounable? Really? Yes, it was the responsible thing to do. The entire thing was bait to get a story for Meltzer to pay that read "CM 'Punked' Out By Jack Perry!", because they thought "if he takes the bait, hes fired, if he doesn't, then hes buried." ... its so obvious, and all it does is add more credence to the "conspiracy" that the Elite tried to sabotage his trip to Wembley, make him no-show, and let Jack own him with no Punk around. Use your brain, Solo. And that would've been the final cannonball fired to sink his legacy. Instead, he took immediate physical control of the situation and both men got out of it without a single bruise. How would YOU have handled it? You've never worked a 9-5 where a problem went unaddressed for a year until you finally blew up? I have. We're all human.
7:33 Punk is 100% on the money with that. There's a reason why AEW's viewership has gone downhill for many months with very few exceptions for "special shows" and why the company hasn't had a profitable year yet. Tony pays outlandish amounts of money to people who are relatively unknown to American fans yet he expects every person to know who every person is all of the time
It's easy for him to look like the hero when he's telling the story. There's Punk's version. There's TK's version. Then there's the truth. Meanwhile the tribalism is going off the rails and it's infuriating as a wrestling fan to ignore the bullshit.
@32:18 This is not a good point. Punk and the bucks do not have the history that punk and cabana have. From punk's POV cabana betrayed him. It's not nearly the same. If a coworker betrays you it is what it is if you best friend betrays you it cuts deeper.
The fact Punk can roll off all those names telling Jungle Jane no glass! and the ‘boss’ himself wasn’t among them…bruh?! 🤨probably busy building a fort in his office. 😒
I'm not going to tune in because I don't want to be traumatized. This is the man that almost killed Tony Khan. How can they show such a terrifying event on TV?? Tony obviously hasn't recovered still.
It's really a shame that the tribalism only seems to stop when someone actually dies(Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, etc) and even then it only lasts for about a week before it starts again
Firing Punk after brawl out would not have gone well lol. Three guys barging into one guys locker room, and all three are company execs. He’d kill Tony in a wrongful termination suit.
Tony Shiavone going to Punk instead of Tony Khan, just proves punk right that Tony is not a boss.
If that's even accurate. Punk's so full of shit you can't believe anything
@@boringbill88 Tony schovanne admitted it.
@@boringbill88 it was proven right dude
Why would Tony khan re-traumatize himself by showing the event that had him in the most fear he's ever been in at a wrestling event?
Exactly
It’s because his lowkey hatred of punk he will never say it his bias towards him been there for a minute now
Touché!
Because Tony Khan is a clown
He has the video, needs the views and was possibly lied about. Rich ppl be petty
Edge told us they were looking towards the future. That lasted long, didnt it? 😂
Maybe this is the future. You get involved in a backstage incident, we'll air it like it's a match.
Edge never going to get a 80,000 crowd like all in again in the future
The fact that you want to air footage of a backstage fight, just because the so called “boss” had his feelings hurt, shows inexplicably how petty the people in charge are and they are being run by children.
All Elite Elementary, as the Solomonster calls them.
Punk did a great job very honest. He was provoked. Punk wasn't the only one in the wrong here. Tony Khan's the one to blame here.
WWe and CM punk take shots at Aew all week long: "Hey , this is great, AEW sucks!😁"
Tony Khan and Aew hit back: " Hey, you can't do that, it's unprofessional and childish 😤"
You guys are hypocrite tw ats
Yall cm punk supporters are funny AF, not realizing CM PUNK blames everyone but who? Himself. But yall ( wwe/cm punk ) are too naive to realize it. WWE and cm punk taking shots all week towards AEW proves that yall are the bullies from race for your life Charlie brown. I thought wwe supported no bullying with their campaign " no bullying ".........hypocrites
@@expum5087 there's a difference between an individual involved in the incident(s) to go on an MMA Podcast and do a shoot interview and the Company said individual once worked for using video from the incident on their own TV for the sole purpose of popping a rating.
Also, when this segment is the Highest Rated segment of Dynamite since Punk left I'm going to laugh my effing ass off over the fact that he's still a bigger draw than anyone on their roster.
Dude, they're obviously not a real business. Tony Khan couldn't care less if he makes money. He just wants to book a wrestling company. Also, TK seems to suddenly vanish every single time there's any type of drama.
A “real” business. Bro just stop, if they’re a company with legal contracts, it’s a real business.
@@eastwaters4082 A "real" business is about making money. That's not what AEW is. Tony Khan doesn't care about that. It's just a hobby for him. A real life efed he can book.
@@vortex_1336if people disagree they’re stupid, aew was built from tribalism from people wanting an alternative and a billionaire who’s hobby is fantasy booking a efed got it
18:49"why did Schiavone go to Punk instead of Tony Khan?" you ask?
Because he (Tony Schiavone) by that point has probably already realized like the rest of us, that TK is a coward that avoids confrontation and responsibility as if it's the plague.
And even if Schiavone would have went to Khan first, TK wouldn't have handled it because he would have been scared shitless about the possibility that Jungle Jackoff wouldn't be his friend anymore. And there in lies the key problem with this company. The Owner wants to be a friend instead of a boss.
There you go, easy explination.
You hit the nail on the head. Tony never has & never will be the boss. The buck stops with Tony Khan.
I love solo monster but the more and more I listen on his takes to AEW. He gives them more credit then they deserve especially with Tony khan
18:49 Is this guy deaf or something? It's because Tony Schiavone realized he's not a boss that won't do a thing and he's there, so that he can be everyone's friend. I thought this guy already knew, but he's slower than I thought
Okay, Punk has every right to not want to deal with Colt ever again. That was a 20 year friendship that ended very badly, and Colt hurt him. You could tell even in the scrum that Punk had never wanted to talk about it again, but felt forced to. Is he not allowed to not want to ever talk to the guy who not only hurt him on a public and financial level, but even more so on a personal one? I do not agree with how Punk handled everything, but Jesus is he not allowed to cut someone out
Agreed....even Punk said in that interview that he could have handled things a bit better, but what you heard at All Out was a frustrated man left with no recourse because his boss couldn't sit all parties down and talk about the colt situation and put it to rest. Brawl Out doesn't happen if Tony had done his job and be a boss.
Yes, Punk and Colt and Punk and the Bucks is an entirely different situation. Colt wasn't an EVP, and the stuff with Colt involved legal stuff and money. Punk just wanted to bury the bad vibes between him and the Bucks.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Punk never said anything about that situation up until that moment right? People spreading lies about him forced him to do it publicly right?
@@polsdofer Yep, That's the main thing that is lost in all of this. Punk NEVER commented on any of the situations until everyone had already spent MONTHS Spreading rumors about it. Punk has always been the last one to talk about any of the situations.
Also, Solomonster being confused as to why people dont go to TK to handle backstage conflict is bizzare because Punk literally answered his question for him. Tony "what do you want me to do" Khan won't handle it.
Funny how Schiavone has become a sort of “witness to history”
-he was there for the Vader/Orndorf fight
-he was the one who called Steve Austin (“tell him I’m not here”)
-delivered the news that everyone should switch to Raw for Mankind
-suggested (kinda) that Arquette should be champion
-and now the Jack Perry thing.
he deserve to be in the HOF
He's the Forrest Gump of fucked up wrestling moments lol
@@joemixon1704 “mah mama always said knowledge is power”
An unfortunate occurrence when you spend basically every year of your wrestling career working for companies with horrible management. And the fact that he’s well known for having a great work ethic and being a team player who is well established for always helping with additional duties that need done his entire career and simply doing what his boss tells him to do rather than ever putting up a major fights about stuff. Kinda a frequent occurrence for the people who go above and beyond and eat shit for it.
The fact that everyone who has commented on this situation from AEW didn't deny what Punk said. They just said we don't want to talk about the past or negativity to the company. Just makes me think more and more that Punk is right.
At the end of the day, Punk basically just said that AEW wasn’t the company for him because he thought the leadership was lacking. He reiterated multiple times that he genuinely wishes everyone there well and that he’s happy that they went their separate ways. But to the AEW superfans he’s the devil because he dared to speak the truth about their company who they base their entire personality and identity around lol
Punk said nothing different than what alot of people have said. TK is more concerned with catering to a niche audience than trying to grow his business. His concern is Meltzer star ratings and Observer Awards.
Why can't both parties just move on, punk is doing fine now that he's recovered. AEW just signed a load of talents and focused towards their next PPV. What are the benefits if either one is in the right?
@philly_sports1558 It's funny because he originally didn't sign with the launch of AEW because of that concern, the public handling of the Brodie situation changed his mind and then he got backstage lol
@@silentspiderragreed. It happened in 2022 and people are still talking about this in 2024. Both AEW and pink should just move on from this bs already.
“ I didnt have to sign a nda for anything I did”
Thats a very important point i see no one is talking about 😂
I think Punk implied that the Elite intentionally attacked and injured Larry (Punk’s dog) when he said that.
Yeah I caught that , but no one has really addressed that. I wonder why.
Surprised the crowd haven’t taken to actually chanting NDA 👏 yet 😬 it needs a nWo stylised shirt at this rate 😆
@@Rowri88right, and yet Punk keeps getting the majority of the blame
AEW hyping up that they’re going to show the backstage fight on Dynamite proves that CM Punk is still their biggest draw and he doesn’t even work there lol
I was shocked how tone-deaf this is as response. It's completely fucking embarrassing
I’m sure WWE and Punk will appreciate the free infomercial they’re running for WWE on TNT airwaves. 😂😂
These AEW guys are playing kids games.
Exactly when your in negotiations for new TV deal but your losing ratings every week so only thing you can do is go to only star you ever had that gets numbers is embarrassing and pathetic, punk admitted he choked jungle jackass so unless footage shows punk foaming at the mouth lunging for tony whilst 5 wrestlers hold him back then tony is going to look pathetic for going on TV saying he was scared for his life.
@@judshuttie70😂 Exactly. What’s that going to accomplish? Making Tony look like a pussy when he’s supposed to be the boss? Lol
@@Jeff_PryceI totally agree but Punk opened the door talking about it. Now if the video proves Punk right AEW just buried themselves even more. But I can't see them showing it unless it proves Punk to be a liar. People are going to interpret it how they want no matter who is right.
Copeland feeling real stupid how. Talking about positives only for Tony to stab him in the back and promote this
26:55 and you STILL think AEW is a well-run business after that announcement. They're a bunch of marks who ran off their biggest star, plain and simple.
I was hoping Tony and AEW would ignore it & just focus on cultivating that momentum they used to have, especially given what Tony said about Ariel's podcast you'd assume they'd do that but... here we are, 2 rah rah speeches, a half dozen twitter posts and now they're dedicating a segment on their prime TV show to not one but TWO people that aren't doing anything and haven't done anything on AEW in months. Obviously Tony is still hurt and upset but fu** sake man, you don't need to reply or have the boys gas yourselves up *EVERY SINGLE TIME* something remotely negative comes out about them whether its articles or disgruntled former employees. But I guess it's too much to ask and hope for that they'd just ignore it and focus on themselves and using that precious TV time on talent thatll make you money.
Tony Is too much of a man-child to ignore something or, better yet, move on.
Point well made. I too was hoping for AEW to focus on the momentum they have right now. However responding to a former employee is so bad. Be the bigger person.
Tony has never taken the high road so why would this have been any different? Tony seems like a genuinely good guy but he makes too may knee jerk emotional choices that really hold things back
I'm hearing a lot of negative BS from solomonster... but look how much FUN we're all having!
I agree he doesn't like punk but the the truth does hurt😂
@@KAR5AVATARGThe usually always does. I sometimes come back to hear his thoughts on things but it's one of the reasons why I unsubscribed tbh. He sounds like someone that knows the elite are full of 💩 but for some odd reason tries his best to excuse it and make himself believe it.
@@dominicarroyo6269 yep, same here. His AEW shilling is so ridiculous I had to stop listen. And I was a listener for 10 years, at least.
@@KAR5AVATARGT yea it's just weird how he thinks the whole fight with them and punk really didn't go down with them kicking down his door,it don't seem to wrap around his head that if that whole incident made the bucks look good and punk the evil person then we would have been seen it and there wouldn't be any NDAs as they would have shown that non stop. Bucks kicked down his door and the elite got their 💩 knocked in and their embarrassed about it still to this day. It makes sense as people who was just breaking up the fight got suspended for no reason and so many NDAs instantly already being forced to sign as if the elite is trying to cover up anything they did. Only reason this issue with Jack perry didn't get a NDA is because they thought they could use this to destroy punk which backfired on them hard
Solomonster I love you but if Three people stomped down your door in an aggressive manner you wouldn’t be ready to fight?!?!
You act like fights have never happened backstage before in wrestling…
You still think they stomped down his door? 😂
@@TheSolomonster do you believe they politely knocked on the door?! C’mon now… stop it Jason…
@@TheSolomonster the fact is… they had no business coming to his locker to begin with.. these are supposed “EVPs”…
@@CFDavid847 This is going nowhere. I respect your opinion and we'll leave it there.
@@TheSolomonsteras far as anyone knows that is wat happened.. wat is ur problem with punk? Hes supposed to jus let people go into business for themselves at his expense? shoot on him? Spread lies about him? Disrespect him? Try to get him fired? At what point are u allowed to stand up for yourself? At what point would YOU stand up for yourself? Im not jus saying physically, cause at the media scrum when punk went off that was him standing up for himself against a group of friends that have essentially been harassing him. And u were saying he was in the wrong for doing that, standing up for himself..
U act like punk is the only common factor in the two fights when there is the common factor of that group of friends that started the issue also. U oversimplify wat actually happened by jus saying punk assaulted coworkers twice, this is not gonna be a 1 to 1 example but it should get my point across, if someones wife got r*ped then the husband m*rders the r*pist r u jus gonna call the husband a m*rderer? and not acknowledge the why of it all? I know its an extreme example but the point remains. And as far as we know the people punk "assaulted" literally asked for it..
“The issue is, that the issue was never dealt with in the first place. There was like a vow of silence put on the entire roster, and things festered and bubbled and turned sour and it was going to burst at some point. It was only a matter of time.”
-V1, OSW 2023
A wise man that homeless V1 😂
Not a lie at all.
Can of Coke, good sir
4:44 oh c'mon, man. The dude who was in charge of travel is good friends with, and a literal fan of, the Bucks... This was right after the Bucks no showed a planned meeting with Punk before All In.
Exactly. I don’t think it was a coincidence at all. It was all one big game and joke to them to see how far they could push Punk before he finally snapped. They wanted their clubhouse back, and all it cost them was their biggest star ever and the money he brought with him.
The Boys from RoH claim they did the same thing to them. Screwed up their travel and then used it as an excuse to fire them.
@@Jeff_Pryceagree 100%. Punk took there disrespect since he joined the company. Anybody excusing the lead up to the Brawl is clearly biased in those spoilt brats the evps favour. Just my opinion.
Exactly. Can’t be a coincidence.
Aew using this for ratings is so petty
My Same Thoughts! This Is WCW Dissing Mikey Foley Championship Win Backfire Levels Of Bad
It's gonna be their highest-rated segment by a country-mile. 😂
@@JWS1985 and then what sure it will get u good earrings for like a show but the next week what are you going to do. Actually to promote a name that’s not even in it company anymore when it doesn’t even continue some type of storyline in there company cm punk is living rent free in Tony khan and he’s making his company worse by doing this
@@JWS1985 Yeah!!😊…
…And then what? Can they use this for a PPV? No. Can they use this for a hot feud or an angle? No.
All this will do is give free air time to a megastar who they no longer have in their company.
It’s amateur and tinpot. That’s why fans are starting to see that company as a joke.
@@Jeff_Pryce Not sure why I am getting called out for what I said. I agree with you, I think this is stupid.
They already wasted 10 minutes of TV time with Edge's promo last week and now they're going to add to it with this.
You missed the part where Page thought Punk got cabana fired when he's not even fired...
He left it out because it shows that Punk wasn't the root cause of all of this. Solomonster is usually pretty neutral but he is very biased when it comes to Punk vs AEW.
If you think that AEW is about making money yet they’ve never made money idk what to say
@Solomonster Sounds Pff The comparison between Punk not talking to Colt Cabana and the Young Bucks not wanting to sit down and talk with Punk is a strawman argument. They are in no way related to each other, and have no parallels with each other.
Punk not wanting to talk to Colt without a lawyer present stems from Colt suing Punk as part of the whole situation with both of them being sued by the WWE's doctor. I'm not gonna go into details about that, but yes, I can understand why Punk would feel that particular way. It's like "You LIED about the nature of your situation then SUED ME for money". There's some shit you don't come back from, and I believe that is one of them. Your own argument about the Young Bucks being EVPs earlier in this segment just kills your entire point about Punk/Colt. The Bucks are EVPs within AEW. They have a PROFESSIONAL OBLIGATION to sit down with Punk as they're supposed to put the good of the company FIRST over PERSONAL FEELINGS.
So you can't say how The Bucks have a professional obligation out of one side of your mouth, then complain when Punk doesn't talk to Colt over a legal situation, and doesn't trust him stemming from that without a lawyer present out of the other side of your mouth.
Why Tony Schiavone didn't go to his boss?! He probably knew Tony Khan wasn't going to do anything about the jack Perry situation... Seems pretty clear to me
because tony khan isn’t a boss he’s a nice guy :)
Also Punk wasn't just the big star of Collision. He was in charge of the overall program, same way Elite were when Dynamite started
I like how you "quoted" punk but didn't quote the most important part of the statement "like Chael said can't let you get close." I would look up Chael Sonnen to see how important that quote is to understand what happened.
You caught that too right😅😅, normally I agree with him on some things but this is probably the most I've ever disagreed with him his hatred and biasness towards punk He's not even trying to hide it ong 😭
@@derekmj6871I've been noticing Solomonster keeps smoking the AEW hopium and this video proves to me Solomonster is biased towards AEW's actions over CM Punk.
Also thought it was interesting how Solomonster thinks Punk refusing to converse with Colt Cabana was hypocritical of Punk not realizing Punk had to go through the court system over Colt Cabana, plus all this other crap with Hangman.
Sorry but no Solomonster I wholeheartedly agree with Punk I wouldn't talk to Colt Cabana either with out a lawyer.
Another thing is Punk mentioned how AEW is catering for the niche internet audience...well kinda self explanatory with this entire video..
Solomonster is a dumb mark.
@@harveycryst222 nope, not all. This is just one of the few misses he has had
31:45 I can’t blame Punk. That lawsuit between Punk and Colt got nasty. When you sue a friend, you end the friendship. And it’s really not anyone’s business if one grown man doesn’t want to be friends with another man.
Who cares? His choice.
It was not worth jeopardizing AEW’s future over COLT CABANA. Most people don’t even know he still works there. 😂
You just compared his annoyance of the Elite refusing to bury the hatchet with him for the better of the company, to Punk refusing to speak without a lawyer to a man he was in a lawsuit against. That is basic common sense when dealing with people who were involved in lawsuits with you, you don't speak to them without your lawyer, and if you do, you do it through text or email. By the way, high level athletes tend to fight a lot, I know that the vast majority of wrestling shows on youtube are done by people with limited experience around athletes from other sports, but they're not typically known for turning the other cheek, especially not when you and a bunch of other guys enter another man's locker room. That's how fights happen, and it's a bad look for wrestling fans as a whole when internet wrestling shows and some fans stomp their high heels about a fight breaking out between guys who literally simulate combat sports as a profession.
Yeah I was surprised to hear Solomonster use that comparison. The 2 situations are completely different!
Irrational comparison, Solomonster has been annoying me lately with this kind of crap.
It's more unfortunate, with you take into account the fact that as opposed to many other wrestling UA-camrs, he has legit workplace experience and should've been able to distinguish between the two. Yet his take on this is equivalent to that of an average redditor.
Him wishing AEW to succeed and provide competition to WWE severely blinded his view regarding this
Bruh, they're not a real business. It's Tony Khan playing with his high-end action figures
Solo I've been watching you since I was 15 but your biasness and dislike of CM punk is really clouding your views. You said you watched that entire interview yet you left out a very important piece of punk's quote "can't let you get close", implying that Jack Perry approached him first/got in his face. Or the proven fact that the person in charge of travel was friends with the bucks and everyone else got a ride but him. Also it's time to admit it bro AEW has no real structure and no real leadership what do you expect someone like CM punk to do when he literally went to Tony. did everything professionally what happens when you keep poking the bear.
I love hiw all stories paint Jack Perry as fucking stupid in this case. He is
Solomonster. You’re wrong.
@@KAR5AVATARGT What did the Young Bucks actually do to Punk?
Jason is one of the most level headed wrestling commentator out there. This is the one major occurrence that I feel he has a distorted view when analysing. Him defending AEW being a 'real business' is the crux of it.
I know he wants AEW to be successful like a lot of us, but a real promotion would've incurred far more positives from the period when WWE were down and they had the great momentum of being a novelty act. A properly run merch department alone would've brought down the deficit. He also says WWE is a very old company. True but Vince was acting on his ambition of expanding and going national from the get go, hence taking tons of risks. Yet, in his entire reign that lasted decades, he only lost net money in one solitary year. All other years were profitable
AEW is a real business. The problem is AEW is a real business that is poorly ran.
@@SupaNatural28 AEW is a real business. Problem is, Tony Khan is not a real boss.
I didn’t realize that Solomonster was on the payroll.
AEW has the same “audience of one” problem that WWE suffered from during Vince’s last decade there.
" I just chocked him a little bit." This is just classic Phil Brooks at this point.
"I only choked him a little, like a real professional."
😂 funny thing is a men we all think that way but don't always act on it
Hey man I would rather get a bit of a blood choke put on me then have my teeth punched out, or have my arm snapped at the elbow and need surgery. It is humiliating sure, but it would be a good lesson. Don't tell someone "if they have a problem, to do something". Unless I was fairly sure I could protect myself.
@@mattroxursoulwhat can you do? These soft idiots never faced real violence in their life.
It was a good interview as usual, but I’m not sure why it’s controversial. What was said that we didn’t already know?
All the experience listeners are laughing because we’ve know this shit for years 😂 people have finally realized that Meltzer was legit lying and or saying lies fed to him by the elite
Even Bubba Dudley said JP has an attitude.
Dax Harwood also said JP has a bad attitude on his Podcast. He was proven right.
Is it that hard to just type out Jack Perry? who tf calls him "JP"
Imagine Jack Perry thinking he could afford to have a bad attitude. Who TF is he?? He’s not a draw, he’s not over except his old song. Completely ass as a promo, mid as a wrestler in the ring. He disappeared and nobody misses him, it’s hardly noticed he’s gone. F*ck that guy.
@@ChaelSonnen000you know who he’s talking about. Doesn’t matter if he says JP or Jack Perry. Like damn you must be so miserable to hate on an abbreviation.
@@CulEdz yes, at one point I DIDNT know what tf they were talking about. That's why I wrote the comment nimrod
Like father like son, the Jaguars have been a poorly run organization for years so at least Tony learned his management skills from someone.
Punk by his own admission WANTED OUT after Brawl Out and TK kept him around. He wanted to leave, he wanted to be released. That’s pretty important to remember when you look back on his return to the company last summer.
Punk was right and AEW is a joke
Just like ur life. An embarrassing fucking joke.
So, you wait one week after you fire Punk, you bring back Cabana (for a one-time appearance on Dynamite, before exiling him to backstage roles in ROH. You also have your EVP's do a victory lap, on live TV. You let dirt sheet writers tear Punk down, whether he deserves it or not...
Yet, after one podcast interview (that wasn't even aired on TV, or has a reach of tens of millions of people... EVERYONE (seemingly) in AEW had to scramble to do damage control... by bringing up Punk (again).
I'm not the biggest CM Punk fan, but all of this seems really petty from AEW, and they should be better than that. Let your product, your in-ring action, all of THAT needs to speak for you... not this childish reactionary bull.
Like, if Punk was lying, call him out. If Punk was acting like a whiny crybaby... don't stoop to his level.
If there's legitimate footage proving him wrong, and you are legally allowed to do so, then have at it. But if your only course of action is to wink and nod at the crowd, or pull something related to a bait and switch... this might potentially be the Finger Poke of Doom for AEW.
The fact you got Eddie Kingston & Tony Schivonia say they want to move on from brawl out & brawl in but now Tony is showing the footage from brawl in. Who does it help AEW gets rid of this dark cloud & now they are brining it back up who does it help
The only point I always thought Punk made too big a deal of was the Hangman promo. I didn't see why one little verbal jab about defending the locker room could elicit such a massive and prolonged anger from Punk, but hearing his explanation about how it was a whole segment they talked over and pre-produced that Hangman completely sabotaged afterward, it makes complete sense that Punk would hold on to that as his breaking point.
Yeah. Combine that with the ESPN interview where he revealed he was checking on Hangman during his bout with COVID and all that, and even just the way he seems a lot less "it is what it is" in this interview, I think it really is personal with Hangman, and I get why he'd feel that way.
Why? Here’s why.
The issue wasn’t what Page said. It was that Page went into business for himself on LIVE TV. Punk has never been in a situation where someone on the top professional level decided to completely throw out the planned script and leave him holding the bag WHILE Page was trashing him and he didn’t know what Page was talking about.
You NEVER go into business for yourself in wrestling. EVER. It’s a business based on trust and teamwork. You need each other to sell your feud and draw money.
It was a championship main event for a PPV, the biggest one in AEW history at that point in time. They were red hot. They had seats to fill, tickets to sell.
And instead of doing business like a professional, Page ambushed Punk for his own agenda and risked making the company look bad on live television, which is expensive, millions of dollars.
It’s amateur bullshit.
If Page had done that to me, I would’ve gone straight to Tony and said, “I refuse to work with this guy. I can’t trust him. Either take the belt off him now and get me another person to work with, or take me out of this program. But I’m not working with this douche again. Or you had better discipline him. That’s the only way you’ll get me to work with him.”
Not only did he go to business of his own, but even the rage that that d-grade work-shoot promo was predicated on was a heresay (or deliberately contrived narrative). Punk had nothing to do with Cobaba's contract non-renewal which TK himself later clarified during scrum
So, if you were in the middle of a live performance, and your acting partner intentionally went completely off script (after you had already discussed a game plan) in a petty attempt to humiliate you, you wouldn’t have anything to say?
Punk didn't start this bad blood, Page did.
AEW is a business because they have revenue? No. They'd be a business if they weren't investing a fortune in to make way less revenue. This is Tony playing with wrestlers like action figures.
Solomonster - between you and CM Punk, who has actually been in AEW and seen the way they do business first-hand? He has. And you're gonna dismiss his observation because you think it's just spite towards the Bucks? 🤨
And I'm sorry, but not even scratching an 800,000 avg total viewers (without the Big Bang Theory lead-in) after FIVE YEARS and god knows how many ex-WWE talents in the door tells me they've backslided.
It's probably because punk lies and exaggerates all the time. If someone has a reputation for doing something, it's probably safe to assume they're doing the same thing again.
@@suprcrzypeople say this yet they can’t bring up a time that he lied or exaggerated you aew marks are hilarious
@@C2190 lmao listen to his entire podcast with colt cabana. And look at him now. It's full of lies and exaggerations. Damn near every time he went on aew tv, and all the things he said about wwe.. And look at him now. He got exposed as a fraud in the ufc, that didn't know what he was doing.
It's not a coincidence that everywhere this guy goes, all the bridges get burnt. Open your eyes, you cant be this dumb.
Well, maybe you can be, but still.
@C2190 Exactly. People accused him lying when he got the staph infection. Of course, when lawsuit came out, it was proven that he did got the staph infection and all those people who called him a liar were silent. Funny how that works
If you use your logic here then you me or anyone else can comment on anything AEW does because we have not been in AEW. Alot of people have opinions of TK but how of these people who have commented have actually been backstage or seen how TK actually works and how AEW operates. I think its better when we all just sit back and enjoy wrestling and be happy people have multiple places to work other then WWE and get to make good money doing it.
What flavor is that koolaid?
Probably the same flavor as Punk's semen.
I don’t know showing footage of one of his hand picked stars getting choked out by a guy who should have been fired forever ago is the flex that Tony thinks it is.
Edit: This is gonna be one hell of a Dark Side of the Ring episode.
5 years ago, WWE sucked and AEW was amazing. Now 5 years later, WWE delivered their greatest ending to a wrestling PPV of all time and AEW is embarrassing themselves by bringing back old wounds from last year on this week. How the tables have turned now
It's a good example of how businesses can make mistakes and come back from them if they listen to their fan base. AEW was formed as a business which was gonna listen to fan base which felt they weren't being heard. AEW does need to continue being a business. WWE has ALWAYS focused on business and had (for a time) forgotten their fanbase. They're getting back to it. AEW needs to get back to that balance.
Goes to prove your samoan shit stain dynasty is boooooooring AF.
Who's next the rocks 2nd grade counselor 🤦🏼
@user-gy4qe7nv1b WWE's great fortunes won't last forever though. Sooner or later their business will cool off.
@@WetaCleaningServicesBro WWE is only successful right now because Vince was forcibly removed and has been a mess in the media.
@@ChrisWolff2013WWE is a legacy business at this point. Even when they sucked hard, they still had decent ratings in comparison to today's TV landscape. They could go autopilot mode from tomorrow and probably still last 2-3 decades. AEW doesn't have that luxury. They should be gunning for the top with every ounce of energy they have (like Vince did when he first took over) instead of being complacent when WWE isn't as hot like right now
"Real glass, go cry me a river!"
Never have 7 words caused so much in so little time.
Love your show, Solo, but your dislike of Punk is really clouding your view, as well as leaving a lot of important details out of it (The Chael Sonen "can't let you get close" quote and implication of that, the fact that the person in charge od travel is friends with The Bucks and only Pubk didn't have his transportation, the fact that Colt Cabana and CM Punk were in an ACTIVE lawsuit and thats why Punk said he wouldn't talk without a lawyer present, etc.).
I think it's less dislike of Punk (Solo enjoys him as a performer), but more of his wish to desperately see AEW succeed that clouds his judgement
@@4zafinche sounds a lot like their fan base who do everything they can to not admit to the issues within that company simply because it's not WWE. You can be a fan of something or someone but you can still acknowledge the issues and faults to call them out. It don't make a hater but an actual fan who wants to see better. I think a lot of people who are so emotionally attached to any form of entertainment or celebrity forget that
@@dominicarroyo6269 are you suggesting Solo gives AEW a pass no matter what they do? If that's the case you must not be a regular viewer of his and just have a stereotyical perception that you're trying to fit him into. He criticizes AEW programming aplenty. He just became blind when it came to the Punk stuff
Same here. His bias against Punk drove me away like a year or so ago. I've came here to read comments and am happy that many point this out now, I mean how wrong he is on the whole situation.
Punk is still the biggest star in aew without even being there 😂
Okay, I’m not buying into when podcasters act like they don’t want to talk about this drama again. We all know these videos get podcasters their highest views and makes them the most money. And to be clear, there is nothing wrong with that, it’s what people are most interested in. Some old head likes to say “controversy creates cash”. And that’s at least one thing the old head is correct about lol. The footage will def get people talking again. I do hope after all of this we can finally put it to bed because the tribalism isn’t healthy.
Absolutely 100% it's all money
Repeatedly talking about something can make you money time and time again, and you can also be sick of feeling like Groundhog Day saying that same something repeatedly.
These aren't mutually exclusive.
@@retrokoh my argument to that would be don’t talk about it then. Is it a revenue loss? Sure, but it’s their platform. You can lead by example and not talk about it. But again I don’t think people are really tired of talking about it. It’s just some level of grandstanding I think. But I also don’t think anything is wrong with being interested in the drama or making money off it as long as they aren’t doing anything intentionally malicious.
@@muzman486 Imwhen you are a content creator, it isnt as simple as a single revenue loss. Viewers jump onto what is topical. If they see that you arent on whatever is topical, or the algorithm doesnt run in your favor, you lose a little bit more than view performance in one video.
That's why every content creator remains on sth hot when it rears its head again and again. Now, are some just "grandstanding"? Absolutely! I don't personally get that sense from Solo. I could be completely wrong on that, but who's to say?
@@muzman486 FWIW I completely respect where you are coming from. I think we just see different sides to it.
Again when it comes to Punk, Solomonster is totally biased IMHO. First incident between Punk and the Bucks the man was confronted in his locker room by multiple individuals, they were not there to have tea with him.
If a group of people come at me and invade my personal space for WHATEVER REASON during a contentious situation at that point it’s self defense. So I disagree with your analysis of the first one. The second incident with choking Perry is one I’ll concede, Punk is dead to rights on that one.
The whole thing with you believing Punk is saying that AEW isn’t a real business is because he was mad at the Bucks for not being EVP’s and having a meeting with him to iron things out is a shit take and total projection. The place isn’t operated like a real business is generally he meant. We know it’s a tangible business operation which should be apparent to anyone with sense, but at the very least if executives don’t want to having a meeting with a high profile talent cuz there feelings are hurt then I’d be ticked off at that too. There was money to be made but executives cared more about hating Punk then caring about AEW’s growth. Which is why you don’t let glorified jobbers be put in that position.
The funniest thing is Tony proved they're now a real business just this week 🤷♂
Punk took his girl
When it comes to backstage stuff, I always think of a JR quote, “It ain’t ballet sister.” 😂
Tony Khan are all those restaurant owners on Kitchen Nightmares who so wanted to run a restaurant with zero real expertise, and end up way over their heads and listening to all the wrong people. Then they bring in Gordon Ramsey, listen to him for a month, then go back to what they were doing. That's what Punk means by its not a real business.
Girlie, I like your analogy lol 😂shit spot on!
This!!!
This comment needs to be pinned lmao
Punk is not wrong about the situation with Colt when Colt reached out. He too could’ve stopped the fire from spreading by tweeting something like Punk had nothing to do with him being moved to ROH but he stayed silent. If Punk wants a lawyer around him for Colt wanting to talk to him, can you blame him? Colt took his then friend to court trying to get money from him.
I 100% can believe Jack Perry has an attitude problem and is a pain in the ass to work with.
I think what needs to be understood is Punk has an old school wrestler mentality. He's not part of this group of people who grew up watching WWE and wanting to do spot after spot. Guys back in the day were killed for not selling. What do you think would have happened if Jack pulled that shit with Bruiser Brodie?
Gotta disagree your showing ur journalist colors. Choking a co-worker is a crazy offense at a H&R block or a chillis but in wrestling? Hell in any sport, teammates fight behind the scenes. Comes down to the boss not being a Boss
Punk vs Joe was the main reason i went to all in
Mental to now find out what was going on backstage 😅
How can you say AEW is a business. Business's attempt to make a profit. Even with a tv deal they still wont make a profit. Thats a project not a business. Solomonster has been getting on my nerves lately.
I’ll check snippets of his podcast but I unsubscribe to him earlier this year because he is just way too snarky.
Solomonster missed a key point when he was talking about how he choked out Jack Perry, after Punk said he would've killed Jack Perry he also quoted Chael Sonnen by saying "don't get too close", meaning Jack must have gotten too close to Punk (maybe even got on Punk's face), thus triggering the choke out. Not making any excuses but if someone is all up in your face & they're not budging, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Jack Perry: Do something about it
Punk: *does something about it*
Easy
He's as guilty as anyone. Everyone involved is guilty. What's annoying me is people want the company to die and people to lose their jobs who weren't involved. He was right about the glass. He was right to be mad about the perry comments. He was wrong to put hands on him for it. That seemed to me (just me) like he wanted out and was looking for a way out and decided that he would do whatever to get out and he did. Tony Khan is a good business man in the wrong business. He has many veterans under contract he needs to trust and allow to help with creative, backstage issues. The bucks were wrong to not try to resolve the issues. Jack was wrong about the glass and the tantrum.
Tony Khan is like the bitter EX girlfriend who can't move on 😂
Face it Solomonster, AEW is a terrible company. You bias is so obvious that you can't see the facts that they can't draw, ratings AND ticket sales are DOWN face it they are WCW 2000. Punk just exposed what everyone has been saying for years and you AEW Stans can't handle it. Keep saying Wembley all you want but when Edge is giving a promo to a section of like 30 people, people have tuned out.
Good point well made.
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@@lisztomaniac1901 yep solo is off in this one
Well said
he's an AEW Stan even though he was praising WWE literally last night. I guess
Trying to compare Punk not wanting to talk to Cabana to The Bucks not wanting to talk to Punk, to work a program that would have been the biggest in the business at that time, is text book disingenuous.
Jesus, Solo.. what happened to you?
13:37
And THAT right there truly sums it up.
Forget the ‘meeting that never was’.
Everything said, and whispered, and plotted against Punk from the beginning was Never in the best interest of the company. It was always in THEIR best interests as “EVPS” maintaining influence to keep pushing their awful unfunny stuff with their friends.
Punk ain't perfect at all, but what this man said about AEW is not hard to believe. And the Young Bucks come across as assholes.
“I didn’t punch anybody, I just choked some off a little bit” will go down as the best line of 2024 🤣 anyone that’s been apart of a mma gym or a BJJ school would pop for that🤣
Repeat after me guys... Rent-Free
Punk gonna pop them a bigger rating then they’ve had in months it really is pathetic.
Its gonna be hilarious seeing the ratings drop-off on that one. I bet TK's not even smart enough to put it on last.
Unlike WWe having to bring out Rock, undertaker, Cena, and Steve Austin to pop ratings because they have no real stars?
@@expum5087 they still get better ratings than AEW, and they’re in the beginning of a boom period.
@@expum5087 there’s also a big difference this is more like when WWF did the Billionaire Ted War Room skits which much like this was just advertising for their competition.
Not even Vince McMahon of all people wanted to air the live camera footage of Bret Hart punching McMahon in the face right after the Montreal Screwjob happened that night.
That's because McMahon claimed he "gave Bret a free shot" and implied he could either beat Bret up or hang with him in a fight. Everyone knows Bret would destroy Vince in a fight. If Vince thought the video would make him look strong you bet your life he would have aired the footage.
@@bustmych0ps489 Vince let Bret punch him as Bret said he would if he was still there and he stayed there. If Vince wanted to hurt Bret or wanted to avoid Vince hitting him He'd have brought backup.
Solo, people will continue to talk about this until the full story comes out. Think about how long people have been discussing montreal.
LMAO CM punk is Absolutely right AEW isn't a real business we're still talking about punk and AEW after an amazing night 2 of Wrestlemania the most fucked up thing about this was the fact that punk had no transportation to go to wembley that's fucked up on AEW'S part totally irresponsible look at how terrible AEW'S product has become since then plus why would they let adam copeland give this rah rah speech all because someone that doesn't work there said the truth adam was the completely wrong person to say that why couldn't they have someone else who's been there longer do the promo or better yet don't acknowledge it and prove CM Punk wrong.
They haven't made a single cent of profit, they waste absurd amounts of money on f'n nobodies, they waste absurd money on arenas they can't fill. They push away the only guy who drew eyeballs, who sold tickets. How can anyone argue they ARE a real business? TK doesn't care about profit, therefore it's not a real business. End of f'n story.
I believe a good portion of what Punk said but he was definitely sugar coating the Choking. I'm at the point now where even if they show the footage of Punk being a maniac and starting the brawl with Jack Perry. Its still on Tony Khan for failing to manage his talent. If Jack Perry was throwing a tantrum, send him home or fire him for his unprofessional behavior. It should never been up to Punk to manage any of the talent and Punk should have known better than to Chock a coworker. If he had kept his cool and walked away he would have been 100 percent in the right.
Punk shouldn't have been the one to suggest a sit down when he's not an evp or boss, that should've started with Tony Khan and then the bucks. Sounds to me like he has more sense than they do. What a shame.
CM Punk makes fair criticisms towards AEW. However the way he handled certain situations deserves to be criticized as well
Solomonster sounds like he's running for office with this long winded promo. But 3 words from a former successful promoter should ring true in this case. Context Is King.
I'm tired of reading and hearing AEW fans named Mark saying, "Why so negative, bro? Why does he have to talk about it?" AEW, the Elite, and their fans have been burying Punk for over a year and when Punk FINALLY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, talks about it; it's, "What's with all this negativity, bro?" Fans conveying this message prove that everything said about them as AEW fans has been 100% true.
Oh yeah how many millions did that aew video game make?
I still have no idea how showing the video would be a benefit. If it isn’t that bad, it makes TK look like an idiot and scared for his life for nothing. If Punk is handling Jungle, it makes Jungle look like a weak child. And if Jungle is the aggressor, it just makes TK look like a weak boss, who allows a no name start crap with a top star. I really don’t see anything that would help the cause of AEW.
Love you Solomonster but this is one of those times when I completely disagree, everything Punk said was true and AEW knows it which is why they and their fans are freaking the fuck out. The Elite have way more blame in this because they’re not just talent they’re fucking EVPS which means they have a responsibility to do what’s best for business instead they do whatever the fuck they want and Tony doesn’t do jack shit about it and that’s what drove Punk nuts and rightfully so. AEW selling out Wembley stadium I think is massively overblown that stadium doesn’t host major wrestling often so having a promotion that’s on national TV run a show there is a rarity so of course it’s gonna sell, same with Revolution selling out because of Stings retirement, it’s a novelty you can’t pull that shit every ppv, WCW even at its creative worst in 2000 was still selling out in other countries, and let’s not forget that AEW has yet to turn a profit in its existence, and they’ve been losing viewers since they first started and the novelty of the promotion is gone so I doubt they’re gonna get a massive increase in the tv rights deal. Tony Khan being a billionaire absolutely props up AEW let’s not downplay that, TNA and NWA never had anywhere near that kinda financial backing hell a lot of talent struggled to get paid, Tony’s throwing $ left and right to talented and untalented wrestlers who are either booked like shit or never had a chance of moving the needle. Tony doesn’t know what the fuck he is doing, the talent know it but they ain’t gonna say shit because they wanna ride the gravy train for as long as they can. Punk was willing to work with the elite, they weren’t gonna become friends but he was willing to be professional so they could draw some $ and put on a compelling product, but the Elite aren’t interested in that because it’s not their $ on the line and they know Tony ain’t gonna do shit, how the fuck can you justify giving executive power to people who don’t give a shit about what’s best for the company? It’s fucking idiotic and eventually it’s all gonna fall apart
Footage shown on AEW proved Punk right. Shouldn’t have been fired but glad he was bc he is doing great in WWE!! Thanks TK!!
I've been hearing you say time and time again that no one is safe from criticism, and there's equal blame to go around, yet you always seem extra angry at Punk.
I have NO clue why you decided to completely skip over the part where he talked about the situation with Hangman Page, when Hangman decided to go into business for himself. Both Page and Punk discussed the promo beforehand, and then Page stabbed him in the back. Please explain how that is not a fireable offense, or at least a suspension? The EVPs decided to put a fake story out that Punk wanted Cabana gone, which is funny because Cabana was in the company several months with Punk, and there were NO issues. How is that not a fireable offense, or at least strip them of their EVP titles? The point I'm trying to make here is that you think Punk should've been fired, yet ALL he did was defend himself from others' actions. He did NOT start anything on his own, everything he did was a reaction from what OTHER people were doing to him. He tried to get it handled professionally, but the supposed 'Boss' did NOT want to handle it. There's only so much a person can take before they have to defend himself, and you think that's HIS fault?? Regardless, if having a physical altercation is a fireable offense to you, then should Chris Jericho have been fired for his backstage fight with Goldberg? The SAME EXACT situation happened, Goldberg threatened him, and Jericho choked him out. Keeping it to AEW, I've NEVER seen you advocate for the firing of Eddie Kingston or Sammy Guevara when both of them have gotten involved in numerous backstage physical altercations.
You also left out the part when Punk was talking about the confrontation with Perry that you shouldn't let people get 'too close.' Solo, you're from New York, have you never seen a confrontation before?? I find that very hard to believe, which is why this is very confusing to me. Why in the hell would you let ANYONE get that close to you who's threatening you? You don't know what they're going to do, so why even give them that opportunity? Do you honestly think that Taker, Stone Cold, or even Bret Hart wouldn't have reacted the same way if Perry was threatening them? They probably would've done much worse to Perry.
You also didn't talk about the part where Punk stated that "If you're happy about having a five star match in a building that's only 25% full, then we're not in the same business." THAT'S what Punk was talking about when he said AEW wasn't a 'real business,' because THAT'S what AEW cares about over actually making money. ANY other business would be trying to change things when there's low ratings and attendance, yet AEW isn't concerned about that at all, just trying to please people like Dave Meltzer. Maybe that's why you didn't talk about this part, because it paints Meltzer in a bad light, and for whatever reason you continuously use him as a main source even though he's been thoroughly discredited time after time again.
It's funny, for many years Punk was never EVER seen as someone who lies. When he was shitting on WWE, he was being cheered over and over, yet when he criticizes indy favorites, and AEW, now he's seen as someone who isn't trustworthy. Well, here's how I see it, Punk is the only one being open about this, and the other side is saying nothing. Usually when someone hands out NDAs, they have something to hide, kind of like Vince. Why is Vince an asshole for making people sign NDAs, yet it's fine for Tony Khan to constantly hand out NDAs? When Punk didn't answer about whether he got hurt before or after the Brawl Out fight, that tells me that he got hurt in that fight, and TK did NOT want Punk to sue the company over the EXECUTIVE VICE PRESIDENTS hurting an employee. Do I know that for a fact? No, but I do know that it makes NO sense to have someone sign an NDA because they got hurt in a wrestling match.
I have no clue why you continue to stick up for people like the Bucks and their friends. Yeah, they were there to help form AEW, but what positive contribution do they really bring to the company? They start drama, they drove people away from attending the shows, and they lower the ratings every time they're on the screen. Why would ANY proper business continue to deal with people like this? If this was your company, would you continue to deal with that? I know that if it was my company, I wouldn't want to deal with people like that.
Solomonster comes off so pedantic at times that it’s easy to see why people call him an AEW apologist. His PR brain can’t let go that this is a different work environment than anything he’s ever experienced which is why he chooses to back up the worthless EVPs when they’re the ones who caused all of this to begin with. I know he points out their part in this too but everything is a cause and effect. If Punk felt like the only option at that point was to choke somebody out a little bit it’s so easy to understand why if you actually follow this whole saga from the start. Stop trying to spread blame and direct it to the root causes of this. AEW is only a business because Shad Khan is a billionaire with a mark son. That’s it.
Part of the issue I had was the complete disrespect of everyone that was there day one of AEW. When Punk didn’t congratulate his co workers and staff for All In. The way he said,” Finally a million dollars draw.” It took a whole team of wrestlers and backstage personnel for multiple years to make that night possible. It came off as he was the only one on the PPV, while several people made it possible for him to get a second chance and get paid.
What we don’t know is how everyone else working there interpreted what he said, which he sounded hostile most of the scrum.
That’s like going to work and a project got completed, but you take 100% of the credit and you did the least work. I guarantee some of the people involved would dislike the insecure credit whore at that moment. Completely ignoring what everyone else gone through to make the project work.
We talk about miscommunication and what not. But, none of us know what transpired from when Punk left the media to the locker room to the door banging incident. All could’ve been cleared up without the unnecessary drama. All sides failed at being professional and an “adult.” Tony badly fumbled the ball as a boss. Punk can’t say he’s innocent in this with having back and forth on Twitter with Hangman before the UK PPV.
Personally, I wished all side move on, but here we are again.
If you can’t take people attacking you back, disrespecting, or criticizing you, then shut up for once. No one is obligated to be your punching bag. It’s only natural for you to reap what you sowed.
It sounds like Jack Perry squared up to Punk, and before he can do anything Punk took him down with a chokehold first. Was he suppose to wait and see what Perry's intentions were first? People think Punk choked him out for smart ass remarks.
That's exactly what it is. Punk even quoted the Chael Sonen "Can't let you get close" phrase that is famous for that exact reason.
@@Justin3Santiago One of the most hilarious moments in the history of media, by the way. So fucking funny with Chael saying "fucking amateur" as he completes a double-leg.
I don’t think that’s Punk just lashing out at The Bucks, I think he truly believes AEW is not a real business.
Some of this aged pretty bad, Solo. Come on, you mean you had no problem with Bret attacking Shawn, but Bret 2 facelocks someone from Kilq 2, and it's unconsciounable?
Really? Yes, it was the responsible thing to do. The entire thing was bait to get a story for Meltzer to pay that read "CM 'Punked' Out By Jack Perry!", because they thought "if he takes the bait, hes fired, if he doesn't, then hes buried." ... its so obvious, and all it does is add more credence to the "conspiracy" that the Elite tried to sabotage his trip to Wembley, make him no-show, and let Jack own him with no Punk around. Use your brain, Solo.
And that would've been the final cannonball fired to sink his legacy. Instead, he took immediate physical control of the situation and both men got out of it without a single bruise. How would YOU have handled it?
You've never worked a 9-5 where a problem went unaddressed for a year until you finally blew up? I have. We're all human.
Zip up Punk’s pants when ur done
7:33 Punk is 100% on the money with that. There's a reason why AEW's viewership has gone downhill for many months with very few exceptions for "special shows" and why the company hasn't had a profitable year yet. Tony pays outlandish amounts of money to people who are relatively unknown to American fans yet he expects every person to know who every person is all of the time
CM Punk always tells it how it is
It's easy for him to look like the hero when he's telling the story.
There's Punk's version. There's TK's version. Then there's the truth.
Meanwhile the tribalism is going off the rails and it's infuriating as a wrestling fan to ignore the bullshit.
@32:18 This is not a good point. Punk and the bucks do not have the history that punk and cabana have. From punk's POV cabana betrayed him. It's not nearly the same. If a coworker betrays you it is what it is if you best friend betrays you it cuts deeper.
The fact Punk can roll off all those names telling Jungle Jane no glass! and the ‘boss’ himself wasn’t among them…bruh?! 🤨probably busy building a fort in his office. 😒
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I really respect Punk. I don't think there has ever been a wrestler who is at the top of the card in two promotions simultaneously.
I'm not going to tune in because I don't want to be traumatized. This is the man that almost killed Tony Khan.
How can they show such a terrifying event on TV?? Tony obviously hasn't recovered still.
AEW is not a business
It's a joke
That's not a boss
That's a clown
If i was a wrestler
I would work for Triple H
It's really a shame that the tribalism only seems to stop when someone actually dies(Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, etc) and even then it only lasts for about a week before it starts again
Firing Punk after brawl out would not have gone well lol.
Three guys barging into one guys locker room, and all three are company execs. He’d kill Tony in a wrongful termination suit.
Didn’t the bucks go out on tv and mock punk? If you’re not going to turn it into an angle, they shouldn’t have been able to do any of that imo
The first chance they got and the same week that Kenny said everyone needed to move on from brawl out, yes.