Thank you for this amazing guide. The system is a bit daunting and the way you laid out priorities and general things to keep in mind really helped to get me eager to start playing around with them.
THANK YOU! I took one look at the paragon board and decided I wasn't smart enough to figure out what's going on so I had to come to ytoutube for the answers and I finally got them with your video. I don't feel stupid now.
Great video... I was wondering how these boards work. I was building my Sorcerer in Eternal and following a friend's advice. I had 5 boards up already and things weren't all that better. I decided to scrap a couple later boards and concentrate on picking the best qualities of fewer boards and make sure they suit my build. So you confirmed that through this Master Class. Thank you.
So weird Sorc doesn’t have the vulnerable proc on Exploit glyph. Outside of a couple ice skills, Sorcs just don’t have the ability to consistently make enemies vulnerable like other classes seem to. Devs have definitely boxed in Sorcs by making at least three skills absolutely mandatory to use on the skill bar (teleport, nova for vulnerable, and ice armor [or fire shield]). A bit unfortunate, even something as simple as allowing the SAME exploit glyph to function on sorc would have actually helped to create more options.
@@waterlight0243 yeah I was gonna say op doesn’t know what the hell he talking about. My friend is a ice sorc and all he does is do freeze, chill, and vulnerable
I run an ice build for this reason. I started as an electric build and although it’s a big burster, it can lack consistency and mana consumption. You can mix and match elements as sometimes they are great to intertwine. However, Frost Nova seems to be the greatest ability currently.
Great video!! Huge fan! Could you please do a video on damage calculation? Things like additive or multiplicative, I’m sure many ppl are still confused, and I’m def one of them😅 thx!!
Really good guide! I've spendt several hours playing around with the boards myself, and I definitely still feel like I learned some important tricks here :)
How expensive is it to reset the paragons? Switching the glyphs? Can't find anyone talking about it.. I just remember the developers saying its more worth to just level up a new character.
Wudijo talks about this in the video at about 11 minutes. He said unsocketing the Glyphs is free. You can just drag and drop whenever you want and swap out at any time.
Are you certain that Damage to Vulnerable is the Vulnerable Bucket? It is worded in the same way, "Damage to Elites" etc. Instead of saying Increased Vulnerable Damage.
I've got 3 left to gather and I'm level 58 so that's really nice that you don't have to wait until the higher levels to experiment with all the glyphs.
First and foremost, I think the Paragon System is a wonderfully innovative idea - even if its more catered toward making your build stronger, rather than being build defining in of itself. My worry here however is that there seems to be some starching reoccurring themes or patterns across each board and how you would optimally path through them. It seems the general rule of thumb is to simply choose a board who’s legendary synergizes with your overall build and then rotate the board in order to reach the legendary with the fewest points possible. After that, the next destination to path toward is the glyph. Exit the board, rinse and repeat. Not at all an expert in this system but I truly hope that there is enough reason to path away from the shortest routes and simply toward legendary and glyphs alone- that perhaps there are rare nodes worth going after that you ultimately have to make a difficult decision and trade offs for. Again, I think the core of D4 is SUPER strong and I look forward to seeing where this system eventually materializes! It would be great to perhaps eventually incorporate boards that are super build defining! See you all in hell!
Hello everyone. I have a question. Does the Exploit glyph for the sorc provide "vulnerable damage" or just increased regular damage when enemies are vulnerable?. I am a bit confused by the wording here.
Hey, 2 weeks late and hopefully you've found the answer by now. In case you haven't, or for anyone else, exploit for sorc (and every class I believe) provides "vulnerable damage" NOT regular damage that is additive with everything else like close, core, distant damage etc
New subscriber! Love how you laid this all out. Learned a ton! Question for you though. At one point in the video you mentioned that exploit was most important for the rogue (or something like that). Hows come you didn't choose that board as your 2nd board? Is it because it was more important for your character to get the trap stuff first or...? Asking cause I have a rogue build that's all mele and the exploit bonuses look juicy to me.
Playing this last year I had to figure it out on my own once I started experimenting and understanding the Paragon board the end game got really good for me.
i heard "damage to vulnerable" is not the same as "vulnerable damage". damage to vulnerable is maybe in the same damage bucket as damage to burning etc. do you have some testin if Exploit add in the same damage bucket like "vulnerable damage"?
This! I have been wondering the same thing!. The glyph says increased damage "to" vulnerable enemies, not increased vulnerable damage. This choice of wording also has me thinking that it is not in the Vulnerable bucket.
Hi @wudijo, I noticed that your turf node has 140% damage increased in close enemies while mine's about 97% considering I put the strength stats to max. How did you exceed the damage output there?
It's actually max out in my node and the max I get from the nodes I put is 110%. When you want to get specific nodes for example strength or agi or int, it will be a random considering your path might be zigzag, its not effective to get the other nodes from paragon board so Im not sure how he did it.
Disagree about board order. Its not about wasting stats on board/items to get double bonus. Thats exactly the reason why order is important. Example that you gave with board 5 where double bonus requires 520 str or 540 int, if you switch that board with any of your main stat boards earlier - now it requires fraction of those numbers while you probably have bazilion of your main stat so it has also double bonus on board 5.
Is there an algorithm to maximize a specific attribute? I explored dynamic programming for solving graphs, but it doesn't work well when nodes have conditions. Initially, my goal is to solve one board and then incorporate additional boards later. Or maybe it be more effective to develop a generic Neural Network and train it to discover optimal pathways through trial and error? In the long run, factors such as gear, legendary aspects, and abilities will influence the optimal path in paragon boards. However, for now, I would like to take small steps and solve optimal pathways without considering gear, aspects, abilities, the amount of abilities that can be on the actionbar and chained together, etc.
21:00 you are talking about the additive damage sources while showing a node that is +core skill dmg. Isn't this a strong node for builds that utilize core skills since it is the first scalar for damage calculation going base dmg-> core dmg ->"dmg to" -> vuln dmg -> crit/overpower ? This is why +skill level is so impactful because it increases that base dmg value before multipliers affect them.
Would it be beneficial to branch out all 3 directions from your first board, before going out further? That way the costs for doubling the effect is low, and shouldn't really increase travel cost by much i think?
Kripp recommends doing just that: choosing a 1st board with a desired legendary node makes it so you naturally end up pathing on both edges of the board (glyph side and legendary side), then 3-way branching out from there to conserve board distance so the doubling effects don't get out of control.
@@sukpoiu kripp was wrong about distance and even updated the video through a comment. Each board after the first increases the requirements of rare nodes. Distance from the starting board is irrelevant.
link to the paragon calculator ? u said no witness is the highest for exploit(most strength u can get in that radius) is there a link telling u about all of the glyphs that match the boards??? id appreciate it
Leveling glyphs seems a bit weird, if at level 1 I already unlocked the option, why would I need more range? What I am not clear is why level, I guess the level multiplies the effect?
Could you clarify if Aspect of the Umbral (providing Primary Resource on CC) works on bosses or not? My understanding is that they can't be CC'ed outside of filling the stagger meter, yet a lot of builds seem to heavily rely on it for resource generation, essentially replacing the generators entirely.
this is d4s end game farming nightmare dungeons for scrolls to upgrade your paragon board which is the same as d3 farming rifts for gems to increase your power. d4 and d3 have the same end game.
A question about nodes. If a node gives +shadow damage and one gives + shadow damage over time, do they stack? I am not sure if straight +damage counts towards DoTs.
Yes they do stack. The shadow damage over time don't tell just damage over time to specifically indicate you that is shadow damage and is affected by the bonuses
Shadow dot falls under shadow dmg. Like burning falls under fire dmg and poisoning falls under poison dmg. So "+shadow dmg" will increase both direct shadow dmg and dot shadow dmg but "+shadow dot" will only increase the dot shadow dmg not the direct shadow dmg
This feels like part two of the guide with part one missing. Imagine we have never seen these boards instead of having toyed with them for hours like you.
my maxroll is rigged, there arent any highlighted text or icons, I mouse over things and dont pop up anything i.e. an aspect... The equipment tab, the first thing in every guide does not appear also. Paragon boards are invisible aswell... Currently using chrome on a windows 10 system. Already cleared cache/cookies, it doesnt work.. Incognito tab also has the same flaws... HELP
Let’s say you deal 100 damage with a core skill. If have +100% vulnerable damage, you will then deal 200 damage. Vulnerable increases the damage the enemy takes from you, and that is calculated after personal damage boosts like +damage to skills. That’s what makes vulnerable so good.
Hey, guys! Look at my insane trap build! That untill .. "immune to traps mobs comes in and laugh in pepperoni while proceeding to one shot the glass cannon player" p.s. blizzard is going to fack our experience so much in order to delay our progress and hopefully make us spend money while at it
Very mediocre video dunno what everyone is on about. A whole lot of info thats not really needed and abit incoherrent. Nice to have video I guess, gonna look for one thats shorter and gives better info instead of "oh this is good so it could be worth 5 points". 6/10 video, felt the same with alot of the other videos you do aswell. Alot of info that doesnt really contribute all that much and could be cut. I suggest Kannons video, felt alot better to watch.
such a dissapointment. i thought the paragon boards would be random with random layout so every character was unique and got lucky or unlucky. this is boring
Thank you for explaining the paragon boards, Wudi. I finally understood how they work and I feel confident in working on my own builds!
Thanks dude, you are my favorite Diablo content creator for sure. Always on point!
Thank you for this amazing guide. The system is a bit daunting and the way you laid out priorities and general things to keep in mind really helped to get me eager to start playing around with them.
THANK YOU! I took one look at the paragon board and decided I wasn't smart enough to figure out what's going on so I had to come to ytoutube for the answers and I finally got them with your video. I don't feel stupid now.
gotta say ...this is a very extensive guide ....thanx bro
Amazing video! I love reading the build guides but also love to understand and test my own personal knowledge out. Keep it up!
Great video... I was wondering how these boards work. I was building my Sorcerer in Eternal and following a friend's advice.
I had 5 boards up already and things weren't all that better. I decided to scrap a couple later boards and concentrate on picking the best qualities of fewer boards and make sure they suit my build. So you confirmed that through this Master Class. Thank you.
This is exactly what I was waiting for to finish my paragon boards ! Thanks !
You guys are killing it
Very big fan of the teach a man to fish mentality
this guy is a machine
So weird Sorc doesn’t have the vulnerable proc on Exploit glyph. Outside of a couple ice skills, Sorcs just don’t have the ability to consistently make enemies vulnerable like other classes seem to. Devs have definitely boxed in Sorcs by making at least three skills absolutely mandatory to use on the skill bar (teleport, nova for vulnerable, and ice armor [or fire shield]). A bit unfortunate, even something as simple as allowing the SAME exploit glyph to function on sorc would have actually helped to create more options.
Yeah j noticed every class is severely lacking in 1 stat, i noticed that rogues have amazing vulnerable procs but limited cc procs outside of aspects.
*Laughs in pure ice sorc build*
@@waterlight0243 yeah I was gonna say op doesn’t know what the hell he talking about. My friend is a ice sorc and all he does is do freeze, chill, and vulnerable
I run an ice build for this reason. I started as an electric build and although it’s a big burster, it can lack consistency and mana consumption. You can mix and match elements as sometimes they are great to intertwine. However, Frost Nova seems to be the greatest ability currently.
You werent lieing when you said you had a lot of content ready. All of it is good too (ill play rogue)
Great video!! Huge fan! Could you please do a video on damage calculation? Things like additive or multiplicative, I’m sure many ppl are still confused, and I’m def one of them😅 thx!!
Really good guide! I've spendt several hours playing around with the boards myself, and I definitely still feel like I learned some important tricks here :)
How expensive is it to reset the paragons? Switching the glyphs? Can't find anyone talking about it.. I just remember the developers saying its more worth to just level up a new character.
Wudijo talks about this in the video at about 11 minutes. He said unsocketing the Glyphs is free. You can just drag and drop whenever you want and swap out at any time.
Thanks Wudijo, always awesome content. I learn something new every time you post. 😃👍
Are you certain that Damage to Vulnerable is the Vulnerable Bucket? It is worded in the same way, "Damage to Elites" etc. Instead of saying Increased Vulnerable Damage.
I think you might be right, I have been thinking the same thing.
you seem tireless
Relentless.
@@jamricsloe seriously.
Wudi coded consciousness into the singularity in his down time
German work ethic and efficiency on display
@@jonsnowight9510 very true!
Actually liked, that you also showed some druid content on this one instead of the usual rogue!
I've got 3 left to gather and I'm level 58 so that's really nice that you don't have to wait until the higher levels to experiment with all the glyphs.
I must admit i didn't think about adding a board with no intending of picking up the legendary node
A German going over spreadsheets.. this is peak efficiency
Fantastic job on the guide! Please keep up the good work!
Really Enjoyed this guide! You are the greatest Wudi!
First and foremost, I think the Paragon System is a wonderfully innovative idea - even if its more catered toward making your build stronger, rather than being build defining in of itself.
My worry here however is that there seems to be some starching reoccurring themes or patterns across each board and how you would optimally path through them.
It seems the general rule of thumb is to simply choose a board who’s legendary synergizes with your overall build and then rotate the board in order to reach the legendary with the fewest points possible. After that, the next destination to path toward is the glyph. Exit the board, rinse and repeat.
Not at all an expert in this system but I truly hope that there is enough reason to path away from the shortest routes and simply toward legendary and glyphs alone- that perhaps there are rare nodes worth going after that you ultimately have to make a difficult decision and trade offs for.
Again, I think the core of D4 is SUPER strong and I look forward to seeing where this system eventually materializes! It would be great to perhaps eventually incorporate boards that are super build defining!
See you all in hell!
Hello everyone. I have a question. Does the Exploit glyph for the sorc provide "vulnerable damage" or just increased regular damage when enemies are vulnerable?. I am a bit confused by the wording here.
Hey, 2 weeks late and hopefully you've found the answer by now. In case you haven't, or for anyone else, exploit for sorc (and every class I believe) provides "vulnerable damage" NOT regular damage that is additive with everything else like close, core, distant damage etc
Keep it comin!
great! (marking this for later use)
New subscriber! Love how you laid this all out. Learned a ton! Question for you though. At one point in the video you mentioned that exploit was most important for the rogue (or something like that). Hows come you didn't choose that board as your 2nd board? Is it because it was more important for your character to get the trap stuff first or...? Asking cause I have a rogue build that's all mele and the exploit bonuses look juicy to me.
Thanks for the information and try to get some rest before launch. Gl hf to all and gg.
good video but i dont understand why they would make the vast majority of our damage come from these boards. makes me feel rather powerless
Playing this last year I had to figure it out on my own once I started experimenting and understanding the Paragon board the end game got really good for me.
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i heard "damage to vulnerable" is not the same as "vulnerable damage". damage to vulnerable is maybe in the same damage bucket as damage to burning etc. do you have some testin if Exploit add in the same damage bucket like "vulnerable damage"?
This! I have been wondering the same thing!. The glyph says increased damage "to" vulnerable enemies, not increased vulnerable damage. This choice of wording also has me thinking that it is not in the Vulnerable bucket.
I only have a level 54 druid, don't know about glyphs or how to level quickly. I'm sure this will help
14:14
the druid one is Damage then atk speed
Hi @wudijo, I noticed that your turf node has 140% damage increased in close enemies while mine's about 97% considering I put the strength stats to max. How did you exceed the damage output there?
Maybe his glyph socket is lvled to max? I don't know, just learning myself 😅😅😅
It's actually max out in my node and the max I get from the nodes I put is 110%. When you want to get specific nodes for example strength or agi or int, it will be a random considering your path might be zigzag, its not effective to get the other nodes from paragon board so Im not sure how he did it.
kinda glad I didn't pay for early access, I need this time to plan :)
Your eyebrows have a mind of there own
LOL, love these 'best' build guides waiting to see how hosed they get when a bunch of players get end game.
Thanks!
Disagree about board order. Its not about wasting stats on board/items to get double bonus. Thats exactly the reason why order is important. Example that you gave with board 5 where double bonus requires 520 str or 540 int, if you switch that board with any of your main stat boards earlier - now it requires fraction of those numbers while you probably have bazilion of your main stat so it has also double bonus on board 5.
Is there an algorithm to maximize a specific attribute? I explored dynamic programming for solving graphs, but it doesn't work well when nodes have conditions. Initially, my goal is to solve one board and then incorporate additional boards later. Or maybe it be more effective to develop a generic Neural Network and train it to discover optimal pathways through trial and error? In the long run, factors such as gear, legendary aspects, and abilities will influence the optimal path in paragon boards. However, for now, I would like to take small steps and solve optimal pathways without considering gear, aspects, abilities, the amount of abilities that can be on the actionbar and chained together, etc.
Did you get anywhere with this?
thanks so much
Didn't mention board rotation that I can recall.
it is harder than my school project in the old day 😂
21:00 you are talking about the additive damage sources while showing a node that is +core skill dmg. Isn't this a strong node for builds that utilize core skills since it is the first scalar for damage calculation going base dmg-> core dmg ->"dmg to" -> vuln dmg -> crit/overpower ? This is why +skill level is so impactful because it increases that base dmg value before multipliers affect them.
rly nice one, ty
Would it be beneficial to branch out all 3 directions from your first board, before going out further? That way the costs for doubling the effect is low, and shouldn't really increase travel cost by much i think?
Kripp recommends doing just that: choosing a 1st board with a desired legendary node makes it so you naturally end up pathing on both edges of the board (glyph side and legendary side), then 3-way branching out from there to conserve board distance so the doubling effects don't get out of control.
@@sukpoiu kripp was wrong about distance and even updated the video through a comment. Each board after the first increases the requirements of rare nodes. Distance from the starting board is irrelevant.
link to the paragon calculator ? u said no witness is the highest for exploit(most strength u can get in that radius) is there a link telling u about all of the glyphs that match the boards??? id appreciate it
Your discord banned me for telling another member to "take care of their health" after they asked if playing 72 hours was safe.
I use rapid fire, concealment,shadow imbue,dash, poison trap and death trap. What paragon boards would you suggest?
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Leveling glyphs seems a bit weird, if at level 1 I already unlocked the option, why would I need more range?
What I am not clear is why level, I guess the level multiplies the effect?
Sorry but this is an advanced guide. A full guide would start from what paragons are, when they're unlocked, how to create new boards etc.
How do you get and upgrade the glyphs?
Glyphs drop from tree of whispers and random mobs, upgrade them by finishing nightmare dungeons and use the altar at the end to allocate exp.
what id like to know is when will d4 planner be availble to us to utilize?
Could you clarify if Aspect of the Umbral (providing Primary Resource on CC) works on bosses or not? My understanding is that they can't be CC'ed outside of filling the stagger meter, yet a lot of builds seem to heavily rely on it for resource generation, essentially replacing the generators entirely.
I'm pretty sure it procs but the CC effect just doesn't show outside stagger.
this is d4s end game farming nightmare dungeons for scrolls to upgrade your paragon board which is the same as d3 farming rifts for gems to increase your power.
d4 and d3 have the same end game.
I haaate playing death trap, we need a boost to some non trap builds.
Hey Wudi, would it be possible for you to link the builder you use in the description?
So you need to get the requirements met in Glyph by leveling up it in nightmare dungeons ?
wait maxroll website doesnt tell you the amount of stats u have atm to see if u hit the breakpoints to unlock the extra bonus from the rare notables?
A question about nodes. If a node gives +shadow damage and one gives + shadow damage over time, do they stack? I am not sure if straight +damage counts towards DoTs.
Yes they do stack. The shadow damage over time don't tell just damage over time to specifically indicate you that is shadow damage and is affected by the bonuses
Shadow dot falls under shadow dmg. Like burning falls under fire dmg and poisoning falls under poison dmg.
So "+shadow dmg" will increase both direct shadow dmg and dot shadow dmg but "+shadow dot" will only increase the dot shadow dmg not the direct shadow dmg
@@NhanNguyen-xk Logic dictated that they did, but I have played too many games that had funky math and rules.
However shadow DoT doesn’t increase overall Shadow damage. Like how fire damage increases burning, but burning doesn’t increase fire
This feels like part two of the guide with part one missing.
Imagine we have never seen these boards instead of having toyed with them for hours like you.
if you yourself don't "toy around" with them you will never actually learn how they work, no matter how many videos you watch.
Question. Is poison damage from imbuement and DOT cutthroat damage? Or just magical…?
Are exploit and ambush a good combo for flurry trapper build?
Is it worth to increase the rare glyph nodes after unlocking it's secondary bonus? Is there a limit?
Usually no, not at all. They are good dumps but when you can delete extra to reach another board or glyph node do it.
Thanks Wudi
if you level glyphs can you respec the exp to another glyph?
Did they nerve nimble? Its now only 5% attack spd. and the lil nodes give only 1,3% :(
But how do i get those other boards i only have the bottom left one ?
Do the special gold nodes stack?
what makes the glyph radius bigger
Is Penshot really a S Tier for NM Dungeon Push??
How do glyphs get experience? Do they all get some xp from nightmare dungeons or is it ones that are unequipped?
At the end of nightmare dungeon you can level them up. Reminds me bit of leveling legendary gems in greater rifts in Diablo 3 if you played that.
@@hamppuhannu But how do you get them in first place? and also how glyph become magic or rare?
my maxroll is rigged, there arent any highlighted text or icons, I mouse over things and dont pop up anything i.e. an aspect... The equipment tab, the first thing in every guide does not appear also. Paragon boards are invisible aswell... Currently using chrome on a windows 10 system. Already cleared cache/cookies, it doesnt work.. Incognito tab also has the same flaws... HELP
Additional bonus damage X on glyphs is multi?
How do you unlock the other boards? I'm stuck at 1 board when I even have more than what I need (points)
Once you reach the attachment gate, click on the gate and it will bring up an attachment preview window where you can choose a new board to attach.
how do you unlock more boards?
Anyone know how the electrocute and winter glyphs work? On the surface it looks like there are no nudes that benefit from them
How do you get glyphs?
Yo Wudijo I got my glyph to lvl 21 but only getting +85ish% how are you getting double??!! Please help meh lol
Interesting
What’s the highest paragon lvl?
Does +100% vulnerable damage mean you do 220% damage to vulnerable enemies or 140% damage?
Let’s say you deal 100 damage with a core skill. If have +100% vulnerable damage, you will then deal 200 damage.
Vulnerable increases the damage the enemy takes from you, and that is calculated after personal damage boosts like +damage to skills. That’s what makes vulnerable so good.
@@attinger117 the base value is 20, so with +100 you would have 220% damage to vulnerable so 220 damage in your scenario.
@@Cecil_Harvey Okay, bonus damage gets added to the base so in my example the 20 base is included in the 100%
4 years from now, this is not going to matter. Think about it
Lol Nimble got nerfed to hell, 5% atk sp if you have the bonus.
I have to be dumb....I'm still so lost
This video needs at least 5 min in the beginning explaining the whole system.
Thank you!
It costs 7~8 million to respect I’m so sad
Having the same paragon board layout is so LAME.
Poor title choice, should include Rogue in there.
Less then 10 hours
I find the parangon system very boring.
The "mechanic" does not thrill me.
Zzzz
Find your comment pretty boring. Begging for meaningless attention from strangers 🤷♂️
Hey, guys! Look at my insane trap build! That untill .. "immune to traps mobs comes in and laugh in pepperoni while proceeding to one shot the glass cannon player" p.s. blizzard is going to fack our experience so much in order to delay our progress and hopefully make us spend money while at it
Very mediocre video dunno what everyone is on about.
A whole lot of info thats not really needed and abit incoherrent.
Nice to have video I guess, gonna look for one thats shorter and gives better info instead of "oh this is good so it could be worth 5 points".
6/10 video, felt the same with alot of the other videos you do aswell. Alot of info that doesnt really contribute all that much and could be cut.
I suggest Kannons video, felt alot better to watch.
im a furry
Hi Furry
Furries dress up and jerk each other off in the woods. There’s women too I guess yet mostly dudes meeting up. Good times
such a dissapointment. i thought the paragon boards would be random with random layout so every character was unique and got lucky or unlucky. this is boring