it was a side story. They go other stories they working on for long term. That was a side story like comic books always did. People complain the movies always got to connect then when they do not do it they complain about not making it part of the story.
I think the one part you're missing about this whole thing... Sony. He's only gonna be in Spider-Man movies, and he's not appearing outside of those movies with constant Sony meddling.
Look at the titles: #1, Homecoming. Spider-man is coming home to the M.C.U. #2. Far From Home - Not so fast, Marvel/Disney. #3 No Way Home - a plot that puts Spidey and Peter Parker 'outside' of the M.C.U. for all practical purposes, as no-one remembers him or knows who he is. I will go see a good movie. I will NOT go see movies that end up being a pissing war over intellectual property played out in the script and on the screen. Eff Sony. Since flat screen TVs took away their Trinitron cash cow, they've done nothing.
I still think they can bring him back but make it so he himself is an illusion. Have his team make it look like he's back. But now "Mysterio" is a project rather than a person.
If you watch the end of Far From Home, you can see that a hologram was shot. All that happened to Mysterio was that his gun was grabbed by Spider-Man. I was surprised that any viewers thought Mysterio was dead, but Lost explained, in the final episode, what was going on and a lot of people completely misunderstood it.
Beck could easily come back saying, he had to go underground…exposing powerhouses like Doctor Strange, who has Avengers back up and can tap into the multiverse, was extremely dangerous for him. Furthering his lies and justifying his actions, in name of those lies, which will make people believe him even more and gain new believers….
Maybe this has been mentioned a million times and I’ve missed it but Mysterio knew Peter’s world was 616. How did he know that if he was just a sham and not from another universe? We know that’s correct because Christine from 838 knew it, too.
Why not just import a Mysterio from a different universe? You don't need to resurrect the version from Far From Home to bring him into the Multiverse saga. In fact - you could have him be Mysterio from Worst Wolverine's timeline, who made Wolverine kill the X-Men - that way you get a great redemption arc for Logan as well as closing the loop for Spider-Man in Secret Wars.
Could this be the theme of the next Saga? Like, the Infinity Saga was all about having power and becoming a hero. This one is all about choice. The next one could be losing trust in your heroes
11:12 I think he still is alive, because where he got shot, that’s survivable, and he can pretend he’s dead, while creating the dark avengers, he could play, the new spider man for the dark avengers. While recovering from his bullet wounds, and pull the strings, this time at at whole new level
Pay careful attention to the questions Peter asks about Beck. "EDITH, is this real." "Yes, Peter, all illusions are down." Peter never specifies what he's really asking (is Mysterio dead), and EDITH being a computer answers what was asked, never specifying if Mysterio is dead or not. And as Ryan points out, he did this earlier in the movie as well. He was a con-man before the tech and still is after. Just a bit of basic acting.
If it's any consolation, Mysterio was supposed to appear as a variant in Spider-Man No Way Home as the sixth member of the Sinister Six. There's a piece of concept art that shows him fighting Doctor Strange in the air at the Statue Of Liberty . There's even a report that the Mysterio variant would've won his version of Far Frome Home, but since he still would've known who Peter Parker was, that's how he would've ended up in the film. He also would've been the one to kill May Parker which actually makes more narrative sense since he's the reason why Peter's life is still ruined. Norman killing her just makes more lore sense since he already tried it in 2002.
I'd love to see Bruce Campbell come back as Mysterio in Raimiverse number 4 with Kraven & Sinister in a Spiderman & X-Men#4 to play on the 2009 comic & even Madame Web would be a laugh to here her end of the Multiverse Saga herself
Id say have the MADAME WEBB characters back as a joke. Give her a shop near NELSON & MURDOCK, have Spidey, Deadpool and Daredevil walk by & have Deadpool make some FIFTY SHADES & EUPHORIA jokes
Mysterio is really smart. He should be back for next SPider-Man trilogy. He isn't dead imo. He should be playing from the shadows. Nobody knows he's alive but he is working for Kingpin and uses his tricks to manipulate Spider-Man again without any physical contact. Imagine he learns from the news Green Goblin killed Spider-Man's aunt and recreates a green goblin illusion to pushed him into a bigger trap - Sinister Six which is waiting to kick his ass.
23:15. *A acronym of the full name that Quentin Beck himself **HATE** because the acronym, and the fact the full name that you get BARF from, means regurgitation, throwing up. Beck's self serving memory added in the crowd laughing at this where they really didn't.
11:12 I think he still is alive, because where he got shot, that’s survivable, and he can pretend he’s dead, while creating the dark avengers, he could play, the new spider man for the dark avengers. While recovering from his bullet wounds, and pull the strings, this time at at whole new level. Maybe, in spider man 4, he gets kraven and scorpion to kill him by telling how dangerous and worthy he is to kraven, and for scorpion’s revenge after Spider-Man homecoming
THANK YOOOOOUUUUUUU. I feel like I’m the only person who says this point to my friends. Nobody talks about it on the news. But you guys are talking about it, which I love. The worst part about America right now, is that so many people are too fragile , that they’ll just keep doubling down and believing a lie, because the scariest most awful thing that could ever happen to them… Is them admitting they got seduced by propaganda, and they decided with a blatantly obvious con man. Man, it feels good to hear someone else say it. Do better, America.
Fantastic pitch for Mysterio. Using him in the ways you stated would have provided the cohesion and world-building that the recent phases of the MCU have lacked. Respect the continued stanning for Kang, though I’m with the uninspired masses when it comes to the character. A fun video would be a riff on the sign “In this household we believe that” and featured all the controversial claims you defend about the MCU.
I thought Mysterio was done very well honestly. He's also the only villain who technically won. He literally cost Peter everything. His friends, his family, his girlfriend...
That Mysterio didn't come back and reveal it was all him was almost as big of a disappointment as them not having Rhino 🦏 & Mr. Ditkovitch return at the end
Mysterio and Zemo had something in common they manipulated their opponents without brute strength with their wits that the outcome the avengers are still feeling the effects till this day.
I would like to see him come back and I do agree he could integral in tearing down the Avengers and building up the Dark Avengers, but much like how Norman Osborn was the founder of the Dark Avengers as the Iron Patriot and alongside him was Mac Gargan/Scorpion-Venom I doubt unless Disney gets the rights to Spider-man back, that we will ever see them used in such capacity. Sony's typical format with villains is "one and done" They killed Green Goblin in the first Tobey Spider-man. They killed Dr. Octopus in his first debut in Tobey's Spider-man 2. They killed Eddie Brock/Venom in his first debut in Tobey's Spider-man 3. They did seem to change it up for Amazing Spider-man but then when they started doing Venom they went back to the one and done format, killing Riot in the first film and Carnage and Shriek in the 2nd film. Vulture, Tinkerer, Shocker and Mac Gargan all survived in Disney's first Spider-man: Homecoming, but then Sony shifted the Vulture into the failed universe of Morbius which implies he's one and done too. IDK... I just wish Fiege could get and keep full creative control over Spider-man and all related characters to use in the MCU. I mean is there nothing Disney can barter with..? Give Sony Predator, Aliens, Terminator, Avatar, Simpsons... just please give us Spider-man to be used to his full potential in the MCU!
Truly one of BEST videos you have put out Screen Crush! There is a lot of philosophy and truth to consider for the real world and good MCU analysis. Great case made for bringing back Mysterio! Totally agree with you how they wasted Kang! And as for the world's corrupt governments, don't the underhanded shit they tried to steal vibranium in Wakanda Forever. AWESOME JOB!
Gorr, ultron, mysterio, hela, crossbones, vulture, kang, all wasted imo. There could have been so much more for them to do, people to interact with, but they all died or were discarded way too early
imma be honest, your theories are way cooler than whatever mcu is doing. The fact the thunderbolts lineup is so lame, makes me keeping my expectations really low.
I'm still hoping that they aren't showing us Zemo, Abomination or Red HULK *EDIT* My AUTOINCORRECT suggested Red Foreman and I feel like that would work somehow. Imagine how much you would improve just by having someone there to constantly call you a DUMBASS?!😹
What if the results of Secret Wars not only ushers in The Mutant Saga, but also brings forth The Dark Avengers as our current heroes are trapped outside of Earth 616 reality?
It's very difficult to tell a story filled with lies and misdirection. The audience depends on being told the real story. Usually. The audience will reject a story if "it was all a dream"".
What you’re suggesting sounds incredible, but SONY doesn’t want too much MARVEL in THEIR movies. Spider-Man loaned to Infinty-War? Sure! But Mysterio loaned to take on the Avengers for an entire saga? Too much IP loss. If only MARVEL had control over ALL of their IP.
I never understood how could he die from spiderman stopping the gun. Like he really couldn't die from that, that was lame. Me and my friend was literally thinking ok he's probably faking his death and already plotting somewhere else. But nope. He never returns. How stupid.
Why couldn't they use the Mysterio/Wolverine storyline in Deadpool and Wolverine? It could have been a clearer backstory for him being the worst Wolverine.
With the dark avengers serving as a replacement, who are “technically” the current avengers thus far. I know we have many hero’s, but who would be apart of the so called “avengers” group that would have their reputation tarnished by the dark avengers
My marvel timeline: 11/26/24 update -The infinity saga is arranged by looper and the following sagas are all arranged by me. -All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order. -Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself). -I added the defenders, fox-verse, agent Carter and misc content to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps. -The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list. --infinity saga-- 1. Iron man 2.iron man 2 3.Incredible Hulk 4. The consultant (*marvel one shot) 5. Funny thing happened (*) 6. Thor 7. Capt. America 8. Agent Carter (*) •[@-Agent Carter saga] 9. Avengers •[A@-AOS S1:E6] 10. Item 47 (*) •[%-Cloak and dagger S:1] •[DS@-Daredevil S:1] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:1] •[DS@-Daredevil S:2] •[DS@-Luke Cage S:1] •[%-Cloak and dagger S:2] •[DS@-Iron Fist S:1] •[DS@-The Defenders] •[A@-AOS S1:E2-5] •[A@-AOS S1:E7] •[A@-AOS S1:E10-16] 11. Capt. America & winter soldier •[A@-AOS S1:E17-22] 12. Thor: dark world •[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8] •[A@-AOS S1:E1] 13. Iron man 3 14. All hail the king (*) 15. Guardians of the galaxy •[A@-AOS S2:E1-19] 16. Avengers: age of ultron •[A@-AOS S2:E20-22] •[A@-AOS S1:E9] 17. Ant man •[A@-AOS S3:E1-19] 18. Capt. America: civil war •[A@-AOS S3:E20-22] •[@-Inhumans saga] •[%-Ghostrider] •[%-Ghostrider: Spirit of Vengeance] •[A@-AOS S:4 E:1-6(WIP)] •[%-Helstrom] •[DS@-The Punisher S:1] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:2] •[DS@-Luke Cage S:2] •[DS@-Iron Fist S:2] •[DS@-Daredevil S:3] •[DS@-The Punisher S:2] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:3] 19. Black panther 20. Spider man: homecoming 21. Guardians of the galaxy 2 22. Dr. Strange •[%-Runaways] 23. Thor: ragnarok 24. Infinity war 25. Ant man & the wasp 26. Capt. Marvel 27. Endgame ---after tony saga--- 28. Spider man: far from home 29. Thor: love and thunder 30. Falcon and the winter soldier 31. Black widow 32. Hawkeye 33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special 34. Guardians of the galaxy 3 35. Echo 36. Shang-chi 37. She hulk 38. Wakanda forever 39. Secret invasion 40. Moon knight 41. Werewolf by night 42. Wandavision --multiverse saga-- 43. Loki S:1 44. What if S:1 45. Quantumania 46. Loki S:2 47. What if S:2 48. Madame web ($-Sonyverse) 49. Venom ($) 50. Into the spider verse ($) 51. Venom 2 ($) •[%-Spider man 1-3] •[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2] 52. Spider man: no way home 53. Morbius ($) 54. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness 55. Across the spider verse ($) 56. Venom 3 ($) 57. Ms. Marvel 58. The marvels •[@-X-men 96] 59. X-men 97 •[%-Fox X-men saga] •[%-The new mutants] •[%-Legion S:1-3] 60. Deadpool 61. Deadpool 2 •[%-Fox Daredevil] •[%-Elektra] •[%-Fox Punisher] •[%-Fox Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)] •[%-Rise of the silver surfer] •[%-Blade Trilogy] 62. Wolverine and Deadpool 63. Agatha all along 64. The eternals 65. Capt. America: brave new world(€) 66. Thunderbolts(€) -Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. watch in progress (WIP). Next up…the gifted. -I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline. Unreleased content as of 11/26/24: 1.Thunderbolts(€) 2.Capt. America: brave new world(€) 3.Fantastic 4 4Avengers: Doomsday 5.Avengers: Secret wars 6.Daredevil: born again 7.Ironheart 8.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man 9.Marvel zombies 10.Kraven 11.eyes of wakanda 12.Xmen97 S:2 13.What if… S:3 14.Wonder man 15.Spider-man Noir 16.Dr. Strange 3 17.Spider-man 4 18.The Midnight sons 19.Blade? €-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). @-stand-alone sagas that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline. %-included for the hell of it. You don’t have to watch the fox movies, but it kinda adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos. I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty. Leigion and the new mutants, accompany the fox X-men saga. They have nothing to do with the Deadpool movies or mentioned anywhere alse on the MCU timeline. The ghost rider movies also contribute to the origin of Reyes’ Ghostrider in AOS S:4. Runaways was added because of the Dr. Strange references and mentions the Loa from cloak and dagger. A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline. DS-Defenders saga episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline. Let me know what you think and enjoy the list! P.S. Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events, and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse; post what if…S:2. May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.
Before going into No Way Home I had told myself that they needed to complete the story with Mysterio since he started the entire plot of the film...then he wasn't even in it. Like we know he's not dead so....
Marvel wasted MODOK so much! He is in charge of AIM, which makes evil tech and you can have this large organization stealing Stark patents and raising private armies for Hydra.
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Gorr was a absolute tragic waste of potential
Imagine if Hayden Christensen played Gorr. 😂
I will never forgive them for what they did to Gorr.
it was a side story. They go other stories they working on for long term. That was a side story like comic books always did. People complain the movies always got to connect then when they do not do it they complain about not making it part of the story.
I want the director's cut of that movie
@@kadadriancottman9097 blame the execs
I think the one part you're missing about this whole thing... Sony. He's only gonna be in Spider-Man movies, and he's not appearing outside of those movies with constant Sony meddling.
Either way it’s ridiculous that we only saw the god butcherer kill one god
Look at the titles: #1, Homecoming. Spider-man is coming home to the M.C.U. #2. Far From Home - Not so fast, Marvel/Disney. #3 No Way Home - a plot that puts Spidey and Peter Parker 'outside' of the M.C.U. for all practical purposes, as no-one remembers him or knows who he is.
I will go see a good movie. I will NOT go see movies that end up being a pissing war over intellectual property played out in the script and on the screen. Eff Sony. Since flat screen TVs took away their Trinitron cash cow, they've done nothing.
"Alien invasions are barely an inconvenience" I think you forgot the 'Super Easy' part of that.
Mysterio was basically Scarecrow from Batman. But instead of spreading fear... he spreaded lies.
I looked at him like a Riddler adjacent character
*spread
spreaded isn’t a word.
I still think they can bring him back but make it so he himself is an illusion. Have his team make it look like he's back. But now "Mysterio" is a project rather than a person.
I agreed!
I'm pretty happy he's showing up in What If.
18:03 "Alien invasion are barely an inconvenience." So you're saying they're super easy?
Oh really?
Wow wow wow... Wow.
@@Ignisvoid001 referencing Ryan’s viral catchphrases is tight!
Mysterio died making a Tik Tok video. 😂
Oof rough lmao
I actually thought they did an amazing job with how they used mysterio.
If you watch the end of Far From Home, you can see that a hologram was shot. All that happened to Mysterio was that his gun was grabbed by Spider-Man. I was surprised that any viewers thought Mysterio was dead, but Lost explained, in the final episode, what was going on and a lot of people completely misunderstood it.
26:59 Henry Cavill was a wasted opportunity for 21 years waiting for live-action Mister Sinister
Iron Man's former employee (Mysterio) vs. Iron Man's protégé (Spider-Man)
Ok?
And water is wet. Lol ya just stating a plot point from the movie or…?
@@TheJaker5 imagine if peter went evil and teamed up with Mysterio
Beck could easily come back saying, he had to go underground…exposing powerhouses like Doctor Strange, who has Avengers back up and can tap into the multiverse, was extremely dangerous for him. Furthering his lies and justifying his actions, in name of those lies, which will make people believe him even more and gain new believers….
Maybe this has been mentioned a million times and I’ve missed it but Mysterio knew Peter’s world was 616. How did he know that if he was just a sham and not from another universe? We know that’s correct because Christine from 838 knew it, too.
Yeah, seems weird
Bad writing, they have us a cool Easter egg without realising it made no sense for the character to have that knowledge.
Even though Mysterio was a liar... he was honest when he revealed Spider-Man's identity. 😅
Why not just import a Mysterio from a different universe? You don't need to resurrect the version from Far From Home to bring him into the Multiverse saga. In fact - you could have him be Mysterio from Worst Wolverine's timeline, who made Wolverine kill the X-Men - that way you get a great redemption arc for Logan as well as closing the loop for Spider-Man in Secret Wars.
Beck is dead, but his allies are still alive. They were the ones who leaked Peter secret. They could easly file the role you pitched for Mysterio.
Imagine Spider-Man fighting William, who is 'Not Tony Stark ' his origin is that he shot his eye out with a Red Ryder BB gun 😹
Not JUST Mysterio; they wasted Baron Strucker, Zemo by bringing in that fake, Klaw, Zola and to some degree, Ultron
Could this be the theme of the next Saga? Like, the Infinity Saga was all about having power and becoming a hero. This one is all about choice. The next one could be losing trust in your heroes
11:12 I think he still is alive, because where he got shot, that’s survivable, and he can pretend he’s dead, while creating the dark avengers, he could play, the new spider man for the dark avengers. While recovering from his bullet wounds, and pull the strings, this time at at whole new level
Yall were cooking in this vid! I’d love to see Jake Gyllenhaal back in the MCU in ANY role tbh
I feel like they can still bring him back, he's known for illusion, his own death couldve been an illusion I mean u really don't know .
Pay careful attention to the questions Peter asks about Beck. "EDITH, is this real." "Yes, Peter, all illusions are down." Peter never specifies what he's really asking (is Mysterio dead), and EDITH being a computer answers what was asked, never specifying if Mysterio is dead or not. And as Ryan points out, he did this earlier in the movie as well. He was a con-man before the tech and still is after. Just a bit of basic acting.
If it's any consolation, Mysterio was supposed to appear as a variant in Spider-Man No Way Home as the sixth member of the Sinister Six. There's a piece of concept art that shows him fighting Doctor Strange in the air at the Statue Of Liberty . There's even a report that the Mysterio variant would've won his version of Far Frome Home, but since he still would've known who Peter Parker was, that's how he would've ended up in the film. He also would've been the one to kill May Parker which actually makes more narrative sense since he's the reason why Peter's life is still ruined. Norman killing her just makes more lore sense since he already tried it in 2002.
Man screencrush cooked on this one 💯
I'd love to see Bruce Campbell come back as Mysterio in Raimiverse number 4 with Kraven & Sinister in a Spiderman & X-Men#4 to play on the 2009 comic & even Madame Web would be a laugh to here her end of the Multiverse Saga herself
Id say have the MADAME WEBB characters back as a joke. Give her a shop near NELSON & MURDOCK, have Spidey, Deadpool and Daredevil walk by & have Deadpool make some FIFTY SHADES & EUPHORIA jokes
@ I love 😍 it 😆
@ I like the way you think friend. Web of life and Destiny means Cavill was always supposed to be Dr.Essex
Popular theory out there is that material is not dead, after all he is the master of illusions.
3:57. Miguel O'Hara: Stop Spider-Man!!! Everybody, everywhere, all at once at Spider HQ: You? ME?!? You??
Agents of SHIELD deserves more respect than it got. And more seasons.
"Peter somehow gets the black suite" giving off real "somehow Palpatine returned" vibes lol
Mysterio is really smart. He should be back for next SPider-Man trilogy. He isn't dead imo. He should be playing from the shadows. Nobody knows he's alive but he is working for Kingpin and uses his tricks to manipulate Spider-Man again without any physical contact. Imagine he learns from the news Green Goblin killed Spider-Man's aunt and recreates a green goblin illusion to pushed him into a bigger trap - Sinister Six which is waiting to kick his ass.
Mysterio won't know who Peter Parker was. But Spider-Man was close to May Parker. At least doesn't have to worry about getting his identity exposed.
Guys, These dudes are working even hard than the studio 😂 respect(not joking)
Who Dey! I love it when you mention the Bengals somehow lol
23:15. *A acronym of the full name that Quentin Beck himself **HATE** because the acronym, and the fact the full name that you get BARF from, means regurgitation, throwing up. Beck's self serving memory added in the crowd laughing at this where they really didn't.
I absolutely LOVE Bullseye as Hawkeye!!
When he fights Deadpool... the best!
This has been surprisingly political!
11:12 I think he still is alive, because where he got shot, that’s survivable, and he can pretend he’s dead, while creating the dark avengers, he could play, the new spider man for the dark avengers. While recovering from his bullet wounds, and pull the strings, this time at at whole new level. Maybe, in spider man 4, he gets kraven and scorpion to kill him by telling how dangerous and worthy he is to kraven, and for scorpion’s revenge after Spider-Man homecoming
Man you guys cook some great theories for storytelling. I hope someone at Marvel is listening 👏🏾👏🏾
Wouldve been cool if mysterio went from fake magic to weaponizing multiversal magic and actually having some kind of real powers instead of drones
Imagine if Beck had orchestrated Aunt May’s death by Green Goblin it would have been insane
Disney may have wasted Mysterio's potential... but he gave us a trilogy which was No Way Home.
Sony
"That's the power of the lie"
In the times we are living in, this line holds a lot of weight. With that in mind, I do agree that Mysterio was wasted.
The Skrulls was wasted potential that could’ve been handled better than what Secret Invasion (tv show) was trying to do with them
Sucks we’re never going to get good stories like this. Exactly the level I was expecting and we didn’t get the moment he “died”
THANK YOOOOOUUUUUUU.
I feel like I’m the only person who says this point to my friends. Nobody talks about it on the news. But you guys are talking about it, which I love. The worst part about America right now, is that so many people are too fragile , that they’ll just keep doubling down and believing a lie, because the scariest most awful thing that could ever happen to them… Is them admitting they got seduced by propaganda, and they decided with a blatantly obvious con man. Man, it feels good to hear someone else say it. Do better, America.
My favorite mcu villain 🦹♂️
Vulture knew the secret identity Tom Hollands' Spider-Man and kept it hidden.
Mysterio revealed the secret identity of Tom Holland's Spider-Man.
Fantastic pitch for Mysterio. Using him in the ways you stated would have provided the cohesion and world-building that the recent phases of the MCU have lacked.
Respect the continued stanning for Kang, though I’m with the uninspired masses when it comes to the character. A fun video would be a riff on the sign “In this household we believe that” and featured all the controversial claims you defend about the MCU.
I think The Leader will be exactly what you're wanting from Mysterio
I thought Mysterio was done very well honestly. He's also the only villain who technically won. He literally cost Peter everything. His friends, his family, his girlfriend...
The Sentry was ALSO a member of Ms. Marvel's (Carol Danvers) Mighty Avengers. You know, before The Dark Avengers were a thing.
Absolute great take! I'm in. Book it, MCU and Sony!
Could get a Skrull Mysterio, just think that through for a few minutes
That Mysterio didn't come back and reveal it was all him was almost as big of a disappointment as them not having Rhino 🦏 & Mr. Ditkovitch return at the end
Mysterio and Zemo had something in common they manipulated their opponents without brute strength with their wits that the outcome the avengers are still feeling the effects till this day.
A Mysterio tshirt with Beck looking like BubbleBoy would be funny
Poon >Clang
I would like to see him come back and I do agree he could integral in tearing down the Avengers and building up the Dark Avengers, but much like how Norman Osborn was the founder of the Dark Avengers as the Iron Patriot and alongside him was Mac Gargan/Scorpion-Venom I doubt unless Disney gets the rights to Spider-man back, that we will ever see them used in such capacity. Sony's typical format with villains is "one and done" They killed Green Goblin in the first Tobey Spider-man. They killed Dr. Octopus in his first debut in Tobey's Spider-man 2. They killed Eddie Brock/Venom in his first debut in Tobey's Spider-man 3. They did seem to change it up for Amazing Spider-man but then when they started doing Venom they went back to the one and done format, killing Riot in the first film and Carnage and Shriek in the 2nd film. Vulture, Tinkerer, Shocker and Mac Gargan all survived in Disney's first Spider-man: Homecoming, but then Sony shifted the Vulture into the failed universe of Morbius which implies he's one and done too. IDK... I just wish Fiege could get and keep full creative control over Spider-man and all related characters to use in the MCU. I mean is there nothing Disney can barter with..? Give Sony Predator, Aliens, Terminator, Avatar, Simpsons... just please give us Spider-man to be used to his full potential in the MCU!
Every marvel villain gets wasted lol. They did Gorr dirty
Truly one of BEST videos you have put out Screen Crush! There is a lot of philosophy and truth to consider for the real world and good MCU analysis. Great case made for bringing back Mysterio! Totally agree with you how they wasted Kang! And as for the world's corrupt governments, don't the underhanded shit they tried to steal vibranium in Wakanda Forever. AWESOME JOB!
Gorr, ultron, mysterio, hela, crossbones, vulture, kang, all wasted imo. There could have been so much more for them to do, people to interact with, but they all died or were discarded way too early
You described the 2024 US Elections.
imma be honest, your theories are way cooler than whatever mcu is doing. The fact the thunderbolts lineup is so lame, makes me keeping my expectations really low.
I'm still hoping that they aren't showing us Zemo, Abomination or Red HULK
*EDIT* My AUTOINCORRECT suggested Red Foreman and I feel like that would work somehow. Imagine how much you would improve just by having someone there to constantly call you a DUMBASS?!😹
This is great material btw! If Mysterio is alive he could be the man behind the curtain like 0scar😉the Wizard of Oz.
Mysterio all along🤔😐
Why didnt spiderman just have Dr Strange make everyone forget Mysterio? Because movie and money. Both very hood points.
I will never forgive Taika Waititi for having Christian Bale as Gorr AND BARELY DOING SHIT WITH HIM.
How many ads until it’s enough.. jfc
I hope Mysterio isn't dead, or if he is, they bring in a variant from another universe.
i like , " Somehow He just gets the black suit" lol
It's *SUPER EASY, BARELY AN INCONVENIENCE!*😹
Marvel has an issue with developing villains’ character. Most of the bad guys in these movies are under utilized
Hmmm...feels like an allegory for something, but I just can't place what. In this alternate story, does Mysterio use orange instead of green?
Get this man a MCU script
Outside of Thanos every MCU villain was wasted. It would be amazing if they got away somehow or keep coming back
Christian Bale and Gorr were wasted in Thor: Love and Thunder. Could have opened up the MCU to cosmic entities.
I love that “sports ball team” comment
What if the results of Secret Wars not only ushers in The Mutant Saga, but also brings forth The Dark Avengers as our current heroes are trapped outside of Earth 616 reality?
It's very difficult to tell a story filled with lies and misdirection. The audience depends on being told the real story. Usually. The audience will reject a story if "it was all a dream"".
What you’re suggesting sounds incredible, but SONY doesn’t want too much MARVEL in THEIR movies. Spider-Man loaned to Infinty-War? Sure!
But Mysterio loaned to take on the Avengers for an entire saga? Too much IP loss.
If only MARVEL had control over ALL of their IP.
How hard is it for MARVEL to hire you as consultants to tie their movies together.
If what was explained in this video would have really happened in No Way Home I would have enjoyed it a lot more.
0:24. And worse, Wong nearly found out about it.
Create the problem to sell the solution. Mysterio is global capitalism.
Mysterio could’ve been Tom’s green goblin
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always happy to see your videos popping up
I never understood how could he die from spiderman stopping the gun. Like he really couldn't die from that, that was lame. Me and my friend was literally thinking ok he's probably faking his death and already plotting somewhere else. But nope. He never returns. How stupid.
Why couldn't they use the Mysterio/Wolverine storyline in Deadpool and Wolverine? It could have been a clearer backstory for him being the worst Wolverine.
Well there is a MULTIVERSE of mysterios in the mcu...there isnt just one❤
Gorr the most wasted potential, that and not giving us Nightmare in Dr. Strange 2.
Could Peter have just asked Strange to make the world forget Mysterio? Then that would have fixed everything 🤷
But then it's a ONE SHOT instead of one of the best movies ever 🤔😉🤪😹
With the dark avengers serving as a replacement, who are “technically” the current avengers thus far. I know we have many hero’s, but who would be apart of the so called “avengers” group that would have their reputation tarnished by the dark avengers
4:49 live-action Marvel Zombies
Thought for sure this was a video made just for that news website ad.
My marvel timeline: 11/26/24 update
-The infinity saga is arranged by looper and the following sagas are all arranged by me.
-All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order.
-Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself).
-I added the defenders, fox-verse, agent Carter and misc content to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps.
-The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list.
--infinity saga--
1. Iron man
2.iron man 2
3.Incredible Hulk
4. The consultant (*marvel one shot)
5. Funny thing happened (*)
6. Thor
7. Capt. America
8. Agent Carter (*)
•[@-Agent Carter saga]
9. Avengers
•[A@-AOS S1:E6]
10. Item 47 (*)
•[%-Cloak and dagger S:1]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:1]
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:1]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:2]
•[DS@-Luke Cage S:1]
•[%-Cloak and dagger S:2]
•[DS@-Iron Fist S:1]
•[DS@-The Defenders]
•[A@-AOS S1:E2-5]
•[A@-AOS S1:E7]
•[A@-AOS S1:E10-16]
11. Capt. America & winter soldier
•[A@-AOS S1:E17-22]
12. Thor: dark world
•[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8]
•[A@-AOS S1:E1]
13. Iron man 3
14. All hail the king (*)
15. Guardians of the galaxy
•[A@-AOS S2:E1-19]
16. Avengers: age of ultron
•[A@-AOS S2:E20-22]
•[A@-AOS S1:E9]
17. Ant man
•[A@-AOS S3:E1-19]
18. Capt. America: civil war
•[A@-AOS S3:E20-22]
•[@-Inhumans saga]
•[%-Ghostrider]
•[%-Ghostrider: Spirit of Vengeance]
•[A@-AOS S:4 E:1-6(WIP)]
•[%-Helstrom]
•[DS@-The Punisher S:1]
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:2]
•[DS@-Luke Cage S:2]
•[DS@-Iron Fist S:2]
•[DS@-Daredevil S:3]
•[DS@-The Punisher S:2]
•[DS@-Jessica Jones S:3]
19. Black panther
20. Spider man: homecoming
21. Guardians of the galaxy 2
22. Dr. Strange
•[%-Runaways]
23. Thor: ragnarok
24. Infinity war
25. Ant man & the wasp
26. Capt. Marvel
27. Endgame
---after tony saga---
28. Spider man: far from home
29. Thor: love and thunder
30. Falcon and the winter soldier
31. Black widow
32. Hawkeye
33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special
34. Guardians of the galaxy 3
35. Echo
36. Shang-chi
37. She hulk
38. Wakanda forever
39. Secret invasion
40. Moon knight
41. Werewolf by night
42. Wandavision
--multiverse saga--
43. Loki S:1
44. What if S:1
45. Quantumania
46. Loki S:2
47. What if S:2
48. Madame web ($-Sonyverse)
49. Venom ($)
50. Into the spider verse ($)
51. Venom 2 ($)
•[%-Spider man 1-3]
•[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2]
52. Spider man: no way home
53. Morbius ($)
54. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness
55. Across the spider verse ($)
56. Venom 3 ($)
57. Ms. Marvel
58. The marvels
•[@-X-men 96]
59. X-men 97
•[%-Fox X-men saga]
•[%-The new mutants]
•[%-Legion S:1-3]
60. Deadpool
61. Deadpool 2
•[%-Fox Daredevil]
•[%-Elektra]
•[%-Fox Punisher]
•[%-Fox Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)]
•[%-Rise of the silver surfer]
•[%-Blade Trilogy]
62. Wolverine and Deadpool
63. Agatha all along
64. The eternals
65. Capt. America: brave new world(€)
66. Thunderbolts(€)
-Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. watch in progress (WIP). Next up…the gifted.
-I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline.
Unreleased content as of 11/26/24:
1.Thunderbolts(€)
2.Capt. America: brave new world(€)
3.Fantastic 4
4Avengers: Doomsday
5.Avengers: Secret wars
6.Daredevil: born again
7.Ironheart
8.Your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man
9.Marvel zombies
10.Kraven
11.eyes of wakanda
12.Xmen97 S:2
13.What if… S:3
14.Wonder man
15.Spider-man Noir
16.Dr. Strange 3
17.Spider-man 4
18.The Midnight sons
19.Blade?
€-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine).
@-stand-alone sagas that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline.
%-included for the hell of it. You don’t have to watch the fox movies, but it kinda adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos.
I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty. Leigion and the new mutants, accompany the fox X-men saga. They have nothing to do with the Deadpool movies or mentioned anywhere alse on the MCU timeline. The ghost rider movies also contribute to the origin of Reyes’ Ghostrider in AOS S:4. Runaways was added because of the Dr. Strange references and mentions the Loa from cloak and dagger.
A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline.
DS-Defenders saga episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline.
Let me know what you think and enjoy the list!
P.S. Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events, and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse; post what if…S:2.
May god have mercy on the souls of the people that made this movie.
Before going into No Way Home I had told myself that they needed to complete the story with Mysterio since he started the entire plot of the film...then he wasn't even in it. Like we know he's not dead so....
Ultron was wasted…he always returns.
Cool, but when is the dune breakdown coming???
Maybe there are variants of Gor and Mysterio out to there in the Multiverse 😊
Mysterio was correctly explored and terminated. The mcu has to move on after terminating its villains.
Ronan the Accuser from Guardians one, Mitchell Carson from Ant-Man.
Marvel wasted MODOK so much! He is in charge of AIM, which makes evil tech and you can have this large organization stealing Stark patents and raising private armies for Hydra.
Why can’t headlines be on ideas of optimism rather than complaints ?