Can you master 5 stages to learn oversteer control?
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2023
- #howtodrift #driftcadet #carcontrol
If you drive cars at speed on racetrack, then you should be close to the limit of grip. And that means you might exceed your grip limits. And if you exceed your grip limits, you may well need to recover from oversteer skids. So how do you learn to do that? You can start by drifting, and here's 5 stages to learn to drift demonstrated using a Toyota 86, Porsche 911, and Lotus Elise.
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It would be much easier if there were places like this available to the public so we can learn to drive safer. But the only place we can practice this on are empty parking lots at night.
mate I hear you!!!
you can also learn it in a sim
Go to trackday or autocross
A racetrack? Lol
@@DownforceGaming Still convinced that the sim got me out of a big oversteer situation in one of my first real trackdays.
As soon as it snowed in the early 90's me and my mates were straight out the door- skidding about on the backroads of Scotland in minis, mk2 escorts and fiat 131s. Fantastic fun emulating the rally drivers of the day with many a bumper or front wing dinged. I'm never going to be Ari Vatanen but I still love driving in the snow and any conditions where the grip is reduced.
That's the way!
Slower speeds at a wet skid pad is really the best way to develop these skills. Driver schools that emphasize this training help out a lot.
Someone I know did slow wet skid pad and hit a nearby curb and totaled the car.
@@NewCastleIndiana I don't believe the car was actually running slow if it got totaled.
@@MikkoRantalainen I have 2 or 3 videos from dash cams, and internal cameras. it was a Tire Rack sponsored teen safety driving program. I was there. it was slow-ish.
Good to explicitly pinpoint: is the combo steering input throttle input that saves the day. Too many cases of lift off oversteer where the back acts as a pendulum.
Wow...I did this all winter in my grandfathers 455 Pontiac Bonneville in Pennsylvania winters back in the 70's when I was 14...and its a great refresher on those that don't have snow! I do this in a 68 XKE with a 383 SBC 2 speed powerglide now at 62! Love driving like u do !!
So basically learn drifting
yes.
Brilliant, now I just need to find a giant closed parking lot on a rainy day. But seriously, great info
I mostly practice on a little backroad by my house with no shoulders or nothing... car control is absolutely the most important thing you can learn and I've almost lost the car several times because of wet tarmac and losing grip over a jump haha
The intro was a real blast from the past for me - I have looped out and gone wide on some of the exact same corners!
:-)
I first learned these skills in a go kart as a kid. It’s a good, cheap alternative to practicing with a real car.
Great point!
I’m glad this popped up on my feed, great driving, mister! 👍
Thanks again Robert
just the sort of direction ive been looking for. thank you
Most welcome!
0:45 The steering technique demonstrated here is the same I learned in my youth but I've since learned that you shouldn't use this technique in cars with airbags. If your hands are crossed in front of the steering wheel and the airbag goes off for any reason, you'll be in world of hurt.
Of course, racing cars with 5 point harness and hans device do not have any limitations here.
Nice teaching style
Love the GR86!
Excellent video!!
Thank you very much!
i try many way to save FF or FR cars from the sliding situstion. finally, i found out just hold the throttle and lightly tipping the clutch is the easiest way to take back control whether in FF/FR, oversteer/ understeer. but first, you need to have a clutch pedal.
it may not the best way, but once you master the technique, it can really save you.
Nice job! You just got a new sub here.
Welcome aboard!
I have no desire to do this but very interesting.
Can you do a video on snap oversteer? It's a very common RWD daily form of accident where people panic and brake hard making it worse.
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I'm guessing an Englishman 🏴 in Australia? 🇦🇺
Good video 👍
Correct!
really hoping you got baffled oil pans on those brz's doing donuts lol
if you don't have easy access to a track or a skid pad; GET A RACING SIM. you can train your reflexes and learn how to recover a car when it starts getting out of shape with no consequences whatsoever.
How a sim does this is it trains your reflexes and muscle memory on how to recover a car.
for best practice i would recommend driving as many different kinds of cars as possible in as many different situations. titles like Assetto Corsa, iracing, Rfactor2, ACC are great.
By driving road cars (mid engined, front engined, awd, rwd, fwd), GT3 cars, formula cars, drift cars and prototype cars you gain a level of flexibility as a driver you simply cannot attain even if you track a car irl (unless you are absurdly rich, but hey if you have the finances to track a 720s GT3, formula 2 car and AMG GT; eat your heat out)
I found pushing the cars to their limits on a demanding track like the Nordshleife or Touge maps in a very snappy car was the best to learn.
also don't fall victim to the reasoning of 'id rather drive a real car than the sim' as that argument is absurd. you can do both. if you cant afford a $2000 sim you can't afford to track a real car PERIOD. a sim won't eat into your real seat time either, as who tf is racing their irl track car after dinner on a weekday night???
Yes!
I tried to do this once in the big parking lot of my hightech employer. The security guard chased me out.
The key for me is to detect the oversteer immediately, right when it starts. Or even better, to anticipate it. If you catch the slide fast enough, you don't need big handfuls of opposite lock.
Absolutely! Early correction the better.
@@L2SFBC You need as much and as quick countersteer opposite lock as sufficient. But that is only half the required technique. The other part not discussed at all is why people hit the wall on track and mustangs run over people.
That is a short video. For answers to the first part, see my oversteer video, second part...cannot explain :-)
@@drtone Snapping axles is one hell of a drug
Could use a 2nd camera on your feet and wheel.
You get a pretty violent snap-back to the outside because you don't apply enough throttle after catching the car. Could bite one day.
Yes, it's a balance...I didn't want to say "snap off the throttle" but also not "add more power". I shall look more into your load-sensitivity concepts to see if I can refine the advice.
@@L2SFBC Load sensitivity is an extremely basic thing that basically everyone is aware of, it's not some thing I made up.
EDIT: Nor is it probably what's 'missing'; I just think, based on what I see, that the trend in these videos is to advise less throttle than is safe or reliable.
It's fine if the person doing it is a skilled driver who can cut down the wheelspin precisely to save the tires and laptime, and it avoids accelerating the car to the outside or increasing yaw, but a small mistake in the application can result in snapping to the outside once grip is regained. It happened a little bit IN the video due to slow countersteer and insufficient throttle, but your car control skills allowed you to balance the tire slip near the peak enough not to grip up too much or to spin out. Most drivers won't have that ability IMO.
The reasoning is that it's easier to slip one axle just a bit above the slip limit than to try to balance on the peak, where going under it can and usually will result in gripping up that axle suddenly.
Owning a lotus will teach you how to stay in it too otherwise it won't matter how fast your hands are. It's deff the hardest car I've owned to drive 10/10ths
Which lotus you have?
@@tappajaav Same as this video, an Elise. They're tough cars to drive at 10/10 for anyone. I don't let people drive that car on track
@@JNatella Nice man. I love the idea of Lotus cars in general, low power but still fast due to being lightweight + amazing cornering capacity.
I'd get Exige but sadly I'm living life on poor mode and their prices seem to be permanently increasing
@@tappajaavbuy a Miata it’s a better car in a lot of ways. I have an NA and NC race car and I never drive the Lotus on track any more. Luckily I bought my car when they were 30k and mine had fiberglass damage so I paid a lot less than that, but it’s sat in a body shop longer than my garage
@@JNatella In which ways are Miatas better than Lotus, other than price/accessibility? Reliability? I have no personal experience so can't say anything about the negative reputation Lotuses have
Can you please demonstrate this on AWD SUVs? Sure they're not race track built cars but a bulk majority of cars sold in the western countries are SUVs.
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@@L2SFBC The video was a bit short and I'm not sure if the 4WD had its centre diff lock on or whether or not the front wheels spun as well if over steered kicked it. With 4WDs they tend to have setup options for the drive train while AWD tends to be set and forget, with earlier versions missing centre diff lock.
It is AWD, centre clutch, with a rear cross-axle locker
Is this a course available to the public?
Sorry no
Can you do this stuff with an open diff or do you need a slip diff to make it work at all? I have a BMW M140i but it's stock open diff.
Yes you can. My Lotus has an open diff. Is harder though and ideally you want an LSD.
How long would to take to get a good basic skill set like this?
More than a day. Takes constant practice.
No discussion of 2 phase steering inputs for slide recovery makes this simply a demonstration of your skills, but is almost useless for novices.
What is two-phase steering?
@@L2SFBC OK, here is your test: Explain as succinctly as possible the steering inputs to save an oversteer slide. I will make it even easier for you, by disregarding any throttle modulation component that would be important. Clue; what causes and/or prevents the "tank slapper" phenomenon.
Keep the steering pointed where you need to go.
Short enough?
@@L2SFBC Well yes, that is essentially correct, and quite succinct. Good job, you pass ;) However, do you think a novice would be able to save a spin from that explanation. What I am getting at is the horrible misnomer of the term "over correction" that people with under developed car control use as an excuse for crashing. Saving a spin correctly is done in 2 parts. #1 applying sufficient and quick enough counter steer to arrest the oversteer swing. If that is done right, there will be a momentary, often barely perceptible pause, and then # 2 the car will swing back, and you must, with as much alacrity and precise timing, unwind the steering to straight ahead. This second phase is rarely emphasized as people often just say opposite lock. It is the lack of accurate application of #2 that leads to the so called "overcorrection" tank slapper which puts the car in a wall or a Mustang into a crowd. Without #2, a novice driver would be safer just letting the car spin in a linear direction causing less harm. Drivers with under developed car control often dismiss a spin and crash with this "driver excuse" as unavoidable, but if the car swings back, the crash was avoidable, and the driver screwed up, was too slow, has no clue about, or was insufficiently coached about the # 2 phase.
Watch my full oversteer recovery video. All covered.
I Was Doing Oversteer At 12 Driving a 100hp Tractor 43 Years Ago,Its Not That difficult Unless Your a Numpty !!!!!
Sure thing grandpa
-Tractor
-Oversteer
Choose one.
No thanks. We drive for fun, U r making it a tedious sport.
"No thanks" to advanced driving techniques...
You're not a very good driver, are you?
Except that oversteer is never tedious.
Bann this dude from public roads