Is Jesus the “God” referred to at Hebrews 1:8? No. The weight of the evidence indicates that it is Jehovah. According to the New World Translation, Hebrews 1:8 says: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your [the Son’s] throne forever and ever.’” This shows that Jesus’ throne, his office or authority as a sovereign, has its source in Jehovah the Almighty God. However, believers in the Trinity prefer the Authorized Version, or King James Version, which renders Hebrews 1:8 this way: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.” Thus, they feel that Jesus is shown to be the same as Almighty God. Why is this not correct? First, note the context. In many translations, either in the main text or in the margin, Hebrews 1:9 reads, “God, your God, anointed you.” This makes it clear that the one addressed in verse eight is not God, but one who worships God and is anointed by him. Secondly, it should be noted that Hebrews 1:8, 9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Surely the writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God. Commenting on this, scholar B. F. Westcott said: “It is scarcely possible that אלוהים [‘Elo·himʹ, “God”] in the original can be addressed to the king. . . . Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God.’” With good reason, therefore, the New World Translation and a number of other translations render Hebrews 1:8 as, “God is your throne.” (See An American Translation, Moffatt; also the marginal reading in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version and The New English Bible.) This makes it clear that the “Son,” Jesus Christ, has a God who is higher than he is.
In Psalm 45, the prophet (or psalmist) composes a royal ode celebrating an ideal king’s rule under God’s authority. The psalm begins by acknowledging God’s eternal throne-“Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever”-firmly placing the ultimate sovereignty and righteousness in God Himself. After establishing that all true authority derives from God, the text then moves on to describe the king, an earthly ruler who embodies God’s standards. The king is “most mighty,” anointed by God, and loves righteousness, thus reflecting divine attributes in his leadership. When the author of Hebrews (often traditionally identified with Paul) cites Psalm 45:6-7, he is quoting an Old Testament passage that first speaks of God’s eternal rule and then describes a kingly figure who manifests divine righteousness. The citation in Hebrews is not depicting God directly addressing Jesus as “O God.” Rather, the author of Hebrews is drawing from a scriptural passage that praises God’s eternal throne and then applies the qualities of this God-endorsed, righteous ruler to the Messiah. Hebrews thus uses the psalm’s depiction of an ideal, God-approved king to illustrate the Messiah’s-and ultimately Jesus’-fulfillment of that righteous standard. In short, both Psalm 45 and its citation in Hebrews describe an ideal of God’s eternal sovereignty followed by a righteous king who rules in line with God’s will. The original psalmist’s statement “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever” is about God’s own enduring rule, and the subsequent description of the king’s virtues sets the stage for how the New Testament interprets Jesus as the completion of that divinely sanctioned ideal.
Thanks @NoahParks-rx4tv for your comment. Here is a video to help clear up misconceptions of Jesus being God because of the term alpha and omega: ua-cam.com/video/YMHRCweBbb8/v-deo.htmlsi=Kn57jyndjJDTVCuv . We hope this helps.
Greek NT: Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550 ΠΡΟΣ ΕΒΡΑΙΟΥΣ 1 (Towards Hebrews 1) 8 πρὸς δὲ τὸν υἱόν (Unto but the Son;) Ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ θεός ("The throne of your's, Oh God) εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος (unto the age of the age) ῥάβδος εὐθύτητος ἡ (the scepter of righteousness the) ῥάβδος τῆς (scepter of the) βασιλείας σου (kingdom of yours.) Notice how in the KJV, Hebrews 1:8, that the "he saith" is in italics? That means, in KJV bible notation, that those words are not in the original Greek manuscripts and has been added to the text. Most English translations here are the "he said, or "God said" in the first phrase. There are no Greek versions of the text that have these words. All the Greek manuscripts used for translating modern bibles have the same identical text as the Textus Receptus 1550 for this verse. The argument that God is calling the Son "God" is based on a corruption in the translation. True and honest translations don't assume words are there just to make it better fit their doctrines. Keep in mind that this is a poetic song lyrics. The text is confusing because it is not even a complete sentence; it lacks even a single verb. Grammatically and poetically it is being used as a preceding adjectival and adverbial set of clause to describe and qualify the lyrics that follows. 9 ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην (You loved righteousness) καὶ ἐμίσησας ἀνομίαν· (and hated wickedness) διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε (because of this has anointed you,) ὁ θεός ὁ θεός σου (the God, the God of you) ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως (with the oil of exultation) παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου (above the companions of yours.")
Thank you Bro. Bob for the clarifying about the diff. between God and Jesus Christ. I'm wondering if you also a video about the Jehova's Witnesses. Thank you Brother.
Thanks @Lions15 for your comment. Here is a video that might help our friends who are Jehova's Witnesses, it is concerning the name of God: ua-cam.com/video/Kk34ZfxyWMI/v-deo.htmlsi=GT8mQDZARD9d2FMX
Can you explain to me Romans 8:26? I am struggling with this verse. The Spirit makes intercession for us in our prayers. If the Spirit belongs to God and is not another person of the Trinity how God can talk to Himself?
Translation Inconsistency Another problem with the Trinitarian claim is translation inconsistency. At Hebrews 1:8-9, the Greek term ho theos ("the god") occurs three times. The term ho theos ("the God") is the usual Greek way of referring to God in the Bible and our English word "God" without the article is the normal way to translate this Greek term with the understanding that capital "G" God is an English way of referring to "the God" (although we sometimes translate it as "the God"). Trinitarians inconsistently translate ho theos as "O God" in verse 8 but as "God" in verse 9. More technically, they are inconsistently interpreting ho theos as "O God" in verse 8 but as "the God" in verse 9. Your throne ho theos to the age of the age A scepter of righteousness the scepter of your Kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness Therefore ho theos, ho theos of you, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above your fellows. Now observe how Trinitarian translators interpret/translate ho theos in one way at verse 8 but another way in verse 9. Your throne O God to the age of the age A scepter of righteousness the scepter of your Kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness Therefore the God, the God of you, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above your fellows. The Greek term ho theos normally means "the God" but Trinitarians would have it that here it means "O God." But there is no reason to translate this Greek term in this manner except to promote a man-made tradition, that is, the doctrine of the Trinity.
everything he said could be true. the question is Did God call Jesus God? Yes or no? the verse is quite clear. yes I agree with every verse he brought that no one else is like the father. if the role play of the father is to be president. and Jesus as vice president. Is still part of the government. As the word God. Yes, Jesus has his God. just as the vice president has his president. in the same government.
Thanks @Alolile for you comment/question. Here's a video to help clear up misconceptions of when Christ said "Before Abraham was I am": ua-cam.com/video/Av1tdPRz6cM/v-deo.htmlsi=Z6yVk_XO7135YuU2
You guys are nuts the Bible can’t be more clear John 1:1-5 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Because a lot of people don’t understand the nature of God does not mean is not true the father son and holy sprit are the one true God the nature of God in 3 distinct persons nothing in creation like it.
Thanks @boriwepaaa for you comment. Notice that the verses you referenced does not say what people are interpreting it to say. Here is a video to clear up misconceptions of the John 1:1 that you mentioned ua-cam.com/video/x1cIbG9amsU/v-deo.htmlsi=d9axwZWtTVPKRF9B . We hope this helps.
You should consider why the title of the word is being used in that account, as well as its intended meaning. - the truth can be known to all who seek it
Go read Hebrews 1:8 …… and Genesis 126 Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Thanks @CryptoFeez for the comment. Here are some videos to help clear up misconceptions of the verses you referenced: Hebrews 1:8 ua-cam.com/video/xmpbZZEG3Zc/v-deo.htmlsi=w-IDuCKCWE2pji6p and Genesis 1:26 ua-cam.com/video/RPqLAWdFu2M/v-deo.htmlsi=BrdxyG0hzMlgVXWq . Hope this helps.
Thank you Bro Pelien for this Bible teaching about Christ. I'll share this with my friends.
Is Jesus the “God” referred to at Hebrews 1:8?
No. The weight of the evidence indicates that it is Jehovah. According to the New World Translation, Hebrews 1:8 says: “But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your [the Son’s] throne forever and ever.’” This shows that Jesus’ throne, his office or authority as a sovereign, has its source in Jehovah the Almighty God.
However, believers in the Trinity prefer the Authorized Version, or King James Version, which renders Hebrews 1:8 this way: “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.” Thus, they feel that Jesus is shown to be the same as Almighty God. Why is this not correct?
First, note the context. In many translations, either in the main text or in the margin, Hebrews 1:9 reads, “God, your God, anointed you.” This makes it clear that the one addressed in verse eight is not God, but one who worships God and is anointed by him.
Secondly, it should be noted that Hebrews 1:8, 9 is a quotation from Psalm 45:6, 7, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Surely the writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God and neither did the writer of Hebrews think that Jesus was Almighty God. Commenting on this, scholar B. F. Westcott said: “It is scarcely possible that אלוהים [‘Elo·himʹ, “God”] in the original can be addressed to the king. . . . Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God.’”
With good reason, therefore, the New World Translation and a number of other translations render Hebrews 1:8 as, “God is your throne.” (See An American Translation, Moffatt; also the marginal reading in American Standard Version, Revised Standard Version and The New English Bible.) This makes it clear that the “Son,” Jesus Christ, has a God who is higher than he is.
Thanks for this!
In Psalm 45, the prophet (or psalmist) composes a royal ode celebrating an ideal king’s rule under God’s authority. The psalm begins by acknowledging God’s eternal throne-“Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever”-firmly placing the ultimate sovereignty and righteousness in God Himself. After establishing that all true authority derives from God, the text then moves on to describe the king, an earthly ruler who embodies God’s standards. The king is “most mighty,” anointed by God, and loves righteousness, thus reflecting divine attributes in his leadership.
When the author of Hebrews (often traditionally identified with Paul) cites Psalm 45:6-7, he is quoting an Old Testament passage that first speaks of God’s eternal rule and then describes a kingly figure who manifests divine righteousness. The citation in Hebrews is not depicting God directly addressing Jesus as “O God.” Rather, the author of Hebrews is drawing from a scriptural passage that praises God’s eternal throne and then applies the qualities of this God-endorsed, righteous ruler to the Messiah. Hebrews thus uses the psalm’s depiction of an ideal, God-approved king to illustrate the Messiah’s-and ultimately Jesus’-fulfillment of that righteous standard.
In short, both Psalm 45 and its citation in Hebrews describe an ideal of God’s eternal sovereignty followed by a righteous king who rules in line with God’s will. The original psalmist’s statement “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever” is about God’s own enduring rule, and the subsequent description of the king’s virtues sets the stage for how the New Testament interprets Jesus as the completion of that divinely sanctioned ideal.
Yea go to Isaiah 44:6 then go to Revelation. 1:17
Jesus is the alpha and the omega
Thanks @NoahParks-rx4tv for your comment. Here is a video to help clear up misconceptions of Jesus being God because of the term alpha and omega: ua-cam.com/video/YMHRCweBbb8/v-deo.htmlsi=Kn57jyndjJDTVCuv . We hope this helps.
Greek NT: Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
ΠΡΟΣ ΕΒΡΑΙΟΥΣ 1 (Towards Hebrews 1)
8
πρὸς δὲ τὸν υἱόν (Unto but the Son;)
Ὁ θρόνος σου ὁ θεός ("The throne of your's, Oh God)
εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος (unto the age of the age)
ῥάβδος εὐθύτητος ἡ (the scepter of righteousness the)
ῥάβδος τῆς (scepter of the)
βασιλείας σου (kingdom of yours.)
Notice how in the KJV, Hebrews 1:8, that the "he saith" is in italics? That means, in KJV bible notation, that those words are not in the original Greek manuscripts and has been added to the text.
Most English translations here are the "he said, or "God said" in the first phrase. There are no Greek versions of the text that have these words. All the Greek manuscripts used for translating modern bibles have the same identical text as the Textus Receptus 1550 for this verse. The argument that God is calling the Son "God" is based on a corruption in the translation. True and honest translations don't assume words are there just to make it better fit their doctrines.
Keep in mind that this is a poetic song lyrics. The text is confusing because it is not even a complete sentence; it lacks even a single verb. Grammatically and poetically it is being used as a preceding adjectival and adverbial set of clause to describe and qualify the lyrics that follows.
9
ἠγάπησας δικαιοσύνην (You loved righteousness)
καὶ ἐμίσησας ἀνομίαν· (and hated wickedness)
διὰ τοῦτο ἔχρισέν σε (because of this has anointed you,)
ὁ θεός ὁ θεός σου (the God, the God of you)
ἔλαιον ἀγαλλιάσεως (with the oil of exultation)
παρὰ τοὺς μετόχους σου (above the companions of yours.")
Thank you Bro. Bob for the clarifying about the diff. between God and Jesus Christ.
I'm wondering if you also a video about the Jehova's Witnesses. Thank you Brother.
Thanks @Lions15 for your comment. Here is a video that might help our friends who are Jehova's Witnesses, it is concerning the name of God: ua-cam.com/video/Kk34ZfxyWMI/v-deo.htmlsi=GT8mQDZARD9d2FMX
Can you explain to me Romans 8:26? I am struggling with this verse. The Spirit makes intercession for us in our prayers. If the Spirit belongs to God and is not another person of the Trinity how God can talk to Himself?
Thank you
Translation Inconsistency
Another problem with the Trinitarian claim is translation inconsistency. At Hebrews 1:8-9, the Greek term ho theos ("the god") occurs three times. The term ho theos ("the God") is the usual Greek way of referring to God in the Bible and our English word "God" without the article is the normal way to translate this Greek term with the understanding that capital "G" God is an English way of referring to "the God" (although we sometimes translate it as "the God"). Trinitarians inconsistently translate ho theos as "O God" in verse 8 but as "God" in verse 9. More technically, they are inconsistently interpreting ho theos as "O God" in verse 8 but as "the God" in verse 9.
Your throne ho theos to the age of the age
A scepter of righteousness the scepter of your Kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness
Therefore ho theos, ho theos of you, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above your fellows.
Now observe how Trinitarian translators interpret/translate ho theos in one way at verse 8 but another way in verse 9.
Your throne O God to the age of the age
A scepter of righteousness the scepter of your Kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness
Therefore the God, the God of you, has anointed You With the oil of gladness above your fellows.
The Greek term ho theos normally means "the God" but Trinitarians would have it that here it means "O God." But there is no reason to translate this Greek term in this manner except to promote a man-made tradition, that is, the doctrine of the Trinity.
Nice .thanks
everything he said could be true. the question is Did God call Jesus God? Yes or no? the verse is quite clear.
yes I agree with every verse he brought that no one else is like the father. if the role play of the father is to be president. and Jesus as vice president. Is still part of the government. As the word God.
Yes, Jesus has his God. just as the vice president has his president. in the same government.
The Trinity delusion. Hebrews 1:18:
how about before Abraham I am
Thanks @Alolile for you comment/question. Here's a video to help clear up misconceptions of when Christ said "Before Abraham was I am": ua-cam.com/video/Av1tdPRz6cM/v-deo.htmlsi=Z6yVk_XO7135YuU2
@@the.biblicaltruth so are you saying, when the Jews were in rage to Jesus - they misinterpreted him?
Jesus is not god, only son good message
"Your throne is from God"?
Don't alter the word of God to fit your preferred doctrine...
That’s literally what the true meaning is. “Your throne, O God,” is very old language. But it actually means your throne is from God.
You guys are nuts the Bible can’t be more clear John 1:1-5
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Because a lot of people don’t understand the nature of God does not mean is not true the father son and holy sprit are the one true God the nature of God in 3 distinct persons nothing in creation like it.
Thanks @boriwepaaa for you comment. Notice that the verses you referenced does not say what people are interpreting it to say. Here is a video to clear up misconceptions of the John 1:1 that you mentioned ua-cam.com/video/x1cIbG9amsU/v-deo.htmlsi=d9axwZWtTVPKRF9B . We hope this helps.
You should consider why the title of the word is being used in that account, as well as its intended meaning.
- the truth can be known to all who seek it
You should consider looking into the use and title of the word in that passage
I ALONE AM GOD AND NO ONE ELSE LIKE ME!! NOT.. WE ALONE ARE GOD AND NO ONE ELSE LIKE US!!
Go read Hebrews 1:8 …… and Genesis 126 Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
Thanks @CryptoFeez for the comment. Here are some videos to help clear up misconceptions of the verses you referenced: Hebrews 1:8 ua-cam.com/video/xmpbZZEG3Zc/v-deo.htmlsi=w-IDuCKCWE2pji6p and Genesis 1:26 ua-cam.com/video/RPqLAWdFu2M/v-deo.htmlsi=BrdxyG0hzMlgVXWq . Hope this helps.