Punishment in dog training. German Shepherd, Belgian Malinois, Golden Doodle
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Here is the first time since Dante was a small puppy that all four of my dogs are playing fetch together. I knew there was a good chance Dante would become frustrated and possible try to bite Luca, which he did first go around. Dante is the only dog wearing and e collar. He's been trained on it just like all my other dogs. I applied a higher level, very quick, stimulation right after I said no as Dante went to bite Luca. I used a sound box so listen closely and you can here the timing of the punishment. You'll see Dante's demeanor or drive does not change because I prepared him for that moment
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Someone creeps forward when you’re looking away at 10:31 😂
Thanks for the vid!
Haha, yes :D
If I had watched with the VOLUME OFF, I would have gotten a TOTALLY DIFFERENT but EQUALLY IMPORTANT TAKE AWAY. Larry has multiple dogs, mostly MALE, interacting in a positive way, but mostly LASER FOCUSED on LARRY. This is SO IMPRESSIVE. He could/should do an entire series on living with and training multiple dogs. Just...WOW. My greatest fear bringing in another dog is that they would be more engaged with each other and "listen" to each other than to me, the human handler. CLEARLY not an issue here. And we've seen these same dogs play together and enjoy each other a zillion times. But the moment he walks into the frame, they are all clearly devoted to him. This is perfect. If Larry analyzed & figured out how he got to this point, SO MANY PEOPLE would benefit.
He has talked about how he doesn't allow his pups to interact until they are very firmly attached to him and looking for him for direction. People make the mistake of getting a puppy and letting it play with their other signs immediately so they attach to each other instead of the owner.
It’s because he works with each of the dogs independently and extensively to build a strong relationship first. My dogs have a lot of time together but they all will prefer my company over the other dog’s because I have spent the time to build a lot of value in me
Best part of this video......Luca creeping up on you at the end! hahaha he cracks me up.
I've occasionally/rarely hit my very sensitive working line GSD with a stim higher than our normal 4-8. As high as a 28 under extremely high distraction/misbehavior. And to be honest, he "screams" over a 10. He briefly acted "suppressed" a couple days. He's unfortunately definitely "collar wise" (zero misbehavior with collar on), but he wears it now, and I rarely but very occasionally stim at a 6-7 for minor corrections. We're mostly walking off leash, perfect ENTHUSIATIC recalls, great "heel", lots of "break" releases. And now, not suppressed AT ALL. Happy, happy dog. Training is always an exciting game now, that's how I keep him engaged. Even "heel" is fun, I walk super slow, jog, do dance steps, step right 1-3 times for him to follow, and tons of exciting, enthusiatic praise. I try very hard to keep it a challenging game for him. But the e collar is a good backup, just in case. At this stage, I couldn't trust him completely in an urban or suburban environment off leash without it. I walk mostly off leash in a completely relaxed manner, he's under perfect control, and give light stim briefly (5-8) maybe every 3 or 4 walks or so. I GUARANTEE he's happier and more fulfilled because of it.
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I don't know how people would be comfortable having their dog off leash in a suburban, urban (or any unfenced area actually) without an ecollar. No matter how high their drive is for that reward, they make mistakes, or there's a higher level competing motivator, or they get frightened. And sometimes these mistakes mean death, if that dog runs in front of a car.
I respect you so much Larry. --The fact that you ask for a better way in a non-passive-aggressive way...
Rather asking in a way that communicates you're Genuinely doing the best you can with an ugly situation and are open to a better way.
That's what I consider true leadership, that I feel comfortable following.
Didn't phase Dante a bit, just corrected the behavior. Posture and behavior remained open, confident & happy, engaged afterward. EXCELLENT!!!
They can't even start to communicate with a dog off lead. Never have been able to.
I know of no other tool you can remotely control energy with other than an e-collar and I've only been doing this 47 years !
The e-collar is forbidden to use in a lot of countries. Still dog trainers & owners in these places are able to get well-behaved dogs. Mind-blowing!
@@jonmathisen6871 they are forbidden in a few, and still used a lot in them. But you are right. we did have well trained dogs before e-collars.
But the way we got those well trained dogs was a lot harder on the dog than modern e-collar training ever has been. Sometimes it's not better to go back to the "good old days"
Even then our "well trained dogs" did a lot of things, off lead, they shouldn't do and knew they shouldn't do, but did anyway. With an e-collar I have a way to communicate with my dogs at great distances. Something no other tool does.
In a multi dog situation no tool gives you a way to communicate better than an e-collar.
A dog is a thinking animal. No matter how well trained it my decide not to do what it has been taught in a given circumstance. The highest level dogs in the world once in a while decide to do something they want and not what they are ask. If that happens off lead, out in the real world, it can have deadly circumstances. I'd rather avoid that if possible.
There is just no other way to get that dog's attention in such moment! I learned how to do the ecollar and it is my peace of mind and my insurance on my walks with my reactive dog. When she's off leash I can recall her when triggers like other dogs or cats come into sight. It's a real help in my real world. LOVED seeing all four dogs out together, lovely. Thanks.
Larry, I’m really glad you posted this video. I have use the E collar in the same way. I’ve only had to use it once or twice on each dog. It was either they get hit by a car, or where their “good girl collar“. Now they wear it in a high stress situation, but I don’t even turn it on. They get a treat when I put it on, and when I take it off. The idea of them having it on is enough. We always have to act on the side of caution. Thank you. I agree with so many of your techniques, and appreciate it when you say that you thought it would never work, but you tried it. Your dogs have a great home life ❤️
I fight with those people all the time. They just won't comment on this situation at all. If you sent them the video and pressed them to respond, they would simply start saying a bunch of irrelevant bullshit. They cannot be reasoned with.
If you missed it the first time around it happens right after 4:20.
Not an anti-ecollar person, but since I can't afford one I have to correct them without it. I raised my dog completely off leash, except for situations where it's necessary. I do what Joel Beckham does: interrupt with "HEY" and go to the dog to punish accordingly. Usually say "no nipping" or something similar, in combination with a time out. Same for eating of the street, or doing anything inappropriate.
In my circles people don't play with fewer toys than dogs, because they get into fights. Even dog trainers will tell people to not put dogs in that situation. So I guess that's how they "deal" with this: avoidance.
I rescued what is called here (Australia) a BullArab. These dogs were made for pig hunting by crossing Bull Terrier, Shorthaired Pointers, Grey Hound and Mastiff. I rescued my bitch because she was about to be shot for not hunting as she should. I rescued her sight unseen and she was delivered to my door. This dog was uncontrollable, had no manners and thought every thing belonged to her. I discovered Larry's channel while searching for help with this dogs behaviour.
Long story shortened.......I always hated anything to do with "Electric" collars, because I really had no idea about them. After watching what Larry could do I bought a mini educator and learnt how to use it. My dog also learnt about it. My dog actually is far more comfortable wearing her collar than not. She only wears it now because it has an emergency stop button and our walks/runs always encounter wild life of some description.
I could never have turned this dog into the dog she is today without her educator. I am 71 years old and my dog is my best friend, her manners are impeccable. Being so old, and having such a big strong, incredibly fast, high prey dog was a huge problem at first, but with the Ecollar it is like having me whispering in her ear at great distances.
I loved reading your comment! I'm 53, and I want to keep working line German Shepherds in my life forever, lol. Bull Arabs sound like an intense dog, never heard of them before. I'm glad to hear you're enjoying her!!😊
Now you're wondering why I use the e-collar when it's banned. I don't care, I do everything for dogs that is good for them and I know that one of my dogs needs this method
If you use the e-colar in the right way it is good method to your dog. Now it is forbidden in the Netherlands because the e-colar is used incorrectly. I live in the Netherlands but I do use the e-colar for one of my dogs. But when I meet a police , I have a problem. That doesn't interest me because I know what's best for my dog. I'm not against an e-collar but I do understand that it's forbidden because the e-collar is often used incorrectly. Now you're asking yourself
My intact Czech GSD humps my neighbor’s 6 month old Chocolate Lab (intact) all the time. I give my dog a leave it command and stim my dogs ecollar at the same time - worked effectively for a few sessions. Haven’t had to use the ecollar since. Your tutoring sessions are wonderful - thank you!!!!! Jenn & Jonah
The tool is valuable when used correctly .... larry's book must be read and understood before going any where near a dog . My rescued fighting dog has freedom because of the mini educator . She looks to see it is on charge before going to bed each night and sits next to it each morning with excitement before the morning walk begins .
We have a border collie mix and a pit bull both are fully off leash trained. This looks so fun! I'm hoping through your help my german shepard mix will be just as good
You are doing the e collar correctly. I have intelligent high drive Dutch shepherd. I use my e collar very similarly. Nice Job.
Larry, you know that in the Netherlands the e colar is forbidden?
E colar may no longer be used
they banned "shock collars" this is an e collar, it doesn't shock
@@Paulusia1111 you mean e collar and “shock” collar is not the same thing? I was pretty much of the understanding that they are one and the same type of product, just re-branded to not sound as “bad”
My dog fights through the fence with neighbor's dog. She'll stop or even not do it when the e-collar is on and/or used. But when she's all alone, she still does it.
No other tool can do this. It is like with Pica, a life in a muzzle or a couple of strong corrections with a "leave it" and problem solved. Thanks Larry : )
And a lab in a mix lol love it
I HAVE A STANDARD POODLE AND I USE A ECULLAR ON AND IT IS ON A LEVEL ONE AND HE FEELS IT BUT I AM WONDERING IF ITS HIGH ENOUGH FOR HIM TO GET THE MESSAGE ACROSS
Love the how to videos thanks Larry . . .
I know this is a weird video to ask this on but do you have any recommendations for a lightweight, sturdy long line?
10:00 someone was cheating a little.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣❤️❤️❤️
What age do you start using a e collar, if working with a younger dog?
i am not really "anti e-collar", it's a useful tool for professionnals and people who really know what they are doing. But i think at least 80% of people who use e-collars do it badly, and then it can cause real harm just like a choke collar. For my personnal training and all my client i keep the dogs with a harness on a long lead within hand reach, and when a correction or control is needed i do it manually with the leash.
It's harder to manage than an e-collar and less practical i admit, but at least i'm sure my clients cannot hurt their dogs by accident
Very cool deal sir
You are the best 👌
I got this BC pup four weeks ago, he's eleven weeks tomorrow.
I had some names, he's a bit of a Rasmus, but I chose to call him Luka because my Mom was very into that nane.
I like it as well and I don't know any dogs ny that name.
The first freaking dog video I watch on UA-cam, and obviously one of the dogs name is Luka!
Wtf, is it that conmon?
The dog master
Thank you for this video, could have used it a couple weeks ago. My high prey catahoula has been after my barn kitty and I wasn’t sure if I should “ light him up” ( he is fully trained on the e collar). Would have saved the kitty had I done. No more kittys.
I have a catahoula mix and it's been a long journey to get where she and I are today since I got her at age 3 when her owner committed suicide. Catahoulas are a rare type of dog and from what I've heard from others and dealt with myself, they are probably too much for most people if they are not being trained properly with structure and have an outlet to do what they were meant to do. Good luck to you guys!
Thanks everyone. Callie is very well behaved, gets along with other dogs and my grandkids, she just loves the chase with small animals. I love my catahoula.
Yes!
I desperately need to have a convo with Larry. I've emailed before. 😔 I'm at my wits end with a 50 pound aussiedoodle and a newborn due in a week. Dog doest recognize leash corrections, won't listen, won't respond to prong collar, her reactivity appeared from nowhere recently after being an off leash heeling pro. Now if I off leashed she would hurt someone. She yanks me on leash at everything now whether dog or kid or bike. Only 16 month old dog. Petsmart is my only option here and I would never do that to my dog. I wish Larry had online video diagnosis sessions or something to get me in the right direction with training syllabus. I have the time and will to fix her just don't know the regiment to follow or how. Just like e collar conditioning...what is the step by step process to doing that? My dog knows it's an ouchie...doesn't give a shit. Wheb a dog walks by or a bike she don't give a shkt that she's riding the lightning she just ignores it. Sport dog model with 1 to 10 power.
You can learn more effective ways to use the e collar in Larry's book which is only about $10. Larry doesn't tend to use the e collar to correct very much but when he does, it's with a dog who he has built a strong foundation/relationship after conditioning the e collar for recall. I know he would probably recommend starting over with the e collar and using his method which he goes over in tons of detail in his book of many of his videos to go through the stages of conditioning with the tool because that will give you better engagement and a solid recall which is an important basis for getting rid of the other issues. Also, Larry gets thousands of emails every week and so he can't respond to people through there. You might want to try Facebook and comment on his posts and tell him what's going on because he's more likely to see it there. Also, if you have any chance to go to his seminars, I would highly recommend that because he'll help you get off to a good start. Good luck with the dog and the baby!
I've emailed and facebooked...no luck. I got all the books. I need help executing the things the books don't go into enough.
@@jackglockstar yeah I get the struggle, It took a long time for me to get in contact with him. I would say don't give up on trying. He doesn't usually ever respond to emails or UA-cam comments but I've gotten a response on Facebook several times. Try to comment on a post thats not related to dogs (so there won't be a ton of comments) and try to comment on a really recent post. Also, he has a contact number on his website which you could try but I've never had success with that
@Mira Max thank you :) I wish I could help more people and give better suggestions because I know how having a dog with behavioral problems can put such a strain on life. Good luck to everyone!
@@miras.2127 ya I hate that these guys get so big that they no longer take on clients. That jerkoff Robert cabral is so stuck up he makes you join a premium paid site and that doesn't even get you one on one time. I offered to pay him for 20 minute Skype video to join me as I walk my dog to observe her and then create me a lesson plan of routines or ways to go about doing what needs done. My dog went from off leash heeling to being highly reactive. She sees another dog or person and goes berserk and doesn't give a shit about being yanked on a prong collar, doesn't care if you light her up, won't listen at all. But 3 months ago she could heel, stay for any time I wanted even out of site, leave it with steaks on her paws, perfect obedience, place, touch, etc. She touches the garage door to close it behind her. I went back to work in May and she turned rabid. Now I have to worry that she'll see a dog or kid and go attack it.
Sometimes we can become too obsessed with training...it's good to just let dogs be dogs and have fun with them.
Obedience training has its place but dogs just want to play & have fun humans want to control think they know what’s best just let it be
@@solomit1 People like you are the reason so many dogs get euthanized due to being uncontrollable and chewing up everyone's homes and attacking their pets and children. Good training makes good happy dogs.
@@iridescentsea3730 if you read comments I mentioned obedience training has its place so dogs are not running wild
@@solomit1 I read your comment and it was very stupid.
Black German shepherds lol off coarse. They are something 🤣
Hate those sunglasses Larry. It's like looking at a giant insect.