Hi Barry, The accuracy is amazing and it is not only sheet material that can be cut - I can do any wood to the maximum depth that my tracksaw can cut which include 4x2 etc. Cheers. Peter
Interesting as always! I know you repeat it often, but it's good to see the usefulness of the top without all the holes drilled, makes for a very quick process and is sufficient for a cutting station. I wanted a full set of holes for holding things down on my last, but it's worth remembering for the next tops. Thanks Peter, I hope you and yours have a peaceful Christmas.
Hi Christian, I remember my first tracksaw cutting station had a full set of holes and then I realised that many were not needed (for my way of working). Good luck with all of your woodwork and I wish you and your family a very safe and happy Christmas. Peter
Peter you are the reason I bought a Festool track saw (and numerous other bits of kit), there's no regret from me at all. Enjoy your films as always thanks for sharing them. Merry Xmas to you and the family, hope 2022 brings everything you wish for, cheers. Tony.
I hesitated for quite a while before buying a Parf guide system. I was contemplating just drilling a pattern of holes that O measured carefully and then use a pattern bit to do the holes. So glad I gave up on that path. Whilst it still took time to drill the pattern (using a Ron Paulk bench layout and design). It was quite satisfying just how accurate the system was. Unfortunately I didn’t do the offset holes at the time which I now regret and will try and work out how to do that with all my holes being 20mm.
Hi Randall, It is easy to do more holes after all the others have been cut at 20 mm. Just get a set of Parf Revision Dogs: www.axminstertools.com/ujk-parf-3mm-aluminium-revision-dogs-3-107359?queryID=85354c69a49975a131bee06cd3e31525 Peter
Hi Peter I just brought a TSC 55 REB LI. 5.2 AH,it's cordless plunge rail saw.peter what does REB mean it's got a only brought it 2 days ago.peter have you ever used mafell rail saw.? They say Bosch is like a mafell In Australia they do sell them here ,buy in USA or new zealand.your mitre saw station is a classic.i made one for my brother in-law not same as your. Happy new year mate.
Hi Shane, Some of the abbreviations are explained here: www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/festool-abbreviations/ I am afraid that I have no experience of Bosch or Mafell kit. Happy New Year to you too. Peter
I used the Parf Guide System from Axminster (of course) as well as a drill, an extractor and a pair of clamps. I always use my small Festool CXS (or TXS) for drilling and my Festool CT26 extractor. Peter
Peter, I have the original Parf Guide System and I have used it to make many MFT style bench tops and jigs. Do you know if a replacement/upgrade kit is sold? My Parf sticks, pins and guide bushing could use an upgrade...
Hi Johnny, I believe that the Parf Sticks (rulers) are Axminster part number 104450, pins are 104186 (they may be the new ones but will work okay) but I cannot see replacement 3 mm drill guides on their web site. Contact cs@axminster.com and ask if they can supply these and also check that 104450 is right. Peter
Really good ilistration, only goes to show you don't need to be a carpenter or cabinet maker to use this guide. Looks like you put some kind of finish on the board prior? Merry Christmas Peter
I have made a few tops using the Parf Guide Mark 2 system but I have struggled to get them exact. They are wildly inaccurate but just a "bit" off. This is especially shown up by the Benchdogs Precision Triangle, which has some 20mm holes on 96mm centers. These inaccuracies are no doubt my fault but I have been speculating that I could improver my accuracy by using a (20, 21, 29) Pythagorean triangle. My reasoning is that doing this makes the sides of the triangle more equal in length and the angles closer to 45 degrees and, I believe, this reduces the possibility of angular error. Obviously this could not done using using just the 96 mm holes but it can be achieved using a 32 mm hole. The (20, 21, 29) triangle is a (640mm, 672mm, 928mm) triangle and this can be achieved using the current Parf sticks. The 672mm base is between the 0 and 7 holes as normal, but the 640mm side and 928mm hypotenuse can be achieved by using the 32mm hole between the 0 and 1 holes. What I am proposing is to make the 3mm holes for the base as normal but then reverse the Parf sticks. The hypotenuse is then the 0 hole on the base and the 10 hole on one ruler, and the other side is then the 7 hole on the base and the 7 hole on the other ruler. The two rulers should then intersect at the 32mm hole between the 0 and 1 holes on the two Parf sticks. I am suggesting this as a concept as I have not, as yet, tested it as I do not have a workshop but just a bench in a spare/storage/junk room. I am not currently set up to use it but I hope to have the chance to do so soon.
Hi Robert, the 20,21,29 is not easily scalable and so would not be very versatile. Do look carefully at your method if you are not getting spot on results. Peter
Hi Sean, I show it in use in many of my videos. Here are just a few... PGS Overview: ua-cam.com/video/5usysrkgQBo/v-deo.html Using the PGS - Part 1: ua-cam.com/video/BNzPVEbLxb4/v-deo.html Using the PGS Part 2: ua-cam.com/video/yukHvkM7Z2U/v-deo.html PGS 4 Cut Test: ua-cam.com/video/EbsRAIS5CoU/v-deo.html PGS Used by a Novice: ua-cam.com/video/TL_MF-u57jI/v-deo.html Making the Box for the PGS: ua-cam.com/video/kM_IlZ1actM/v-deo.html PGS Xtras #1: ua-cam.com/video/o59i3zTaLTs/v-deo.html How to make a near perfect square: ua-cam.com/video/DXJ8jt29R4k/v-deo.html PGS New and Tips: ua-cam.com/video/_RXwYM1wOxA/v-deo.html How to make a speedy cutting station: ua-cam.com/video/wdX-s2-GW1U/v-deo.html How to make a simple dust port for the PGS ua-cam.com/video/sstHaUmzQ0w/v-deo.html
Hi Peter, Two points. I note from Ron Paulk's videos the he doesn't use the pegs to drill out the 20mm holes but just locates the spike of the special Forstner cutter in the small holes. He claims this just as accurate and is certainly much quicker. Have you tried this streamlined method? Second, having produced blisters on my fingers using the chamfer cutter I plan to drill and tap the top to take a 6 or 8 mm bolt so I can use it in a drill ( running on the slow setting). I need to make another cutting station as I omitted to check and clamp the sticks on the first one and a couple of the lines are a bit " out". Happy Xmas. Mike
Hi Mike, For the best accuracy the 20 mm drill guide is essential. I agree that doing loads of chamfers can be tedious but they are only needed where you expect to place a chamfer dog - for me that is about 16 holes. Have a happy Christmas. Cheers. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Hi Peter, Sorry I didn't make the point very well. RP uses the drill guide but he doesn't locate it with the dogs when he drills the 20mm holes. Mike
Hi ,genuine question here. What’s the main advantages of making your own top when you can buy a cnc made top ? Is it a cost saving exercise or more for the custom made effect?
Hi Basil, I have had a number of disappointments with woodworking CNC efforts due to poor accuracy. This is mostly due to the cutters losing their edge and getting smaller making cuts less accurate. Other maintenance issues can cause problems as well. The Festool MFT3 tops are CNC created and yet they vary in accuracy by a huge amount but remember, Festool make no claim about the accuracy of the CNC created tops. With the PGS you can get a top that suits you without the need for complicated drawings. The layout will be very accurate. You can change it even after it has been in use for a while and, if it gets beaten up or left in the rain, you can produce another (and another) as often as you like for the small cost of a piece of MDF. My MFT3 tops used to only last about 2 years and I replace my tracksaw cutting station about every 3 years. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop thanks for the reply Peter. Now you’ve explained it, it makes perfect sense. I didn’t realise there was so much inaccuracy with CNC tops. Keep up the great work.
Peter, the PGS has saved my MFT/3, I've added a bunch of offset holes to increase capacity, and that I trust more than the original ones. They're also more snug. This brings me to two suggestions; 1) please make a video about the difference in diameter between different dogs. I have a bunch of different ones, that I've sorted into groups, based on diameters. I don't want to reference a 19,80mm dog at one end and a 19,95mm on the other end of the rail, even though the error introduced is very small. UJK parf dogs seem to be 19,95mm, Veritas Parf dogs 19,90? TSO "close-fit" equal to UJK dogs? 2) UJK fit is good enough for me, but I would really like to use a knob from underneath. Why are they not threaded? If they were, I think I would go all in on UJK and ditch all other types of dogs I have, for the peace of mind with consistent diameters.
Hi Daniel, Many thanks for this excellent suggestion. My main objective with the PGS was to get very high 90 degree accuracy of cuts but then the key point of the "Parf" range of products was to introduce a common standard which was mainly about the diameter of dogs. I will look at the video idea closely. Cheers. Peter
Great to see, these products take the work to a much higher standard. Thank you Peter.
Hi Barry, The accuracy is amazing and it is not only sheet material that can be cut - I can do any wood to the maximum depth that my tracksaw can cut which include 4x2 etc. Cheers. Peter
Good evening Peter, thanks for the video.
You are welcome
Interesting as always! I know you repeat it often, but it's good to see the usefulness of the top without all the holes drilled, makes for a very quick process and is sufficient for a cutting station. I wanted a full set of holes for holding things down on my last, but it's worth remembering for the next tops. Thanks Peter, I hope you and yours have a peaceful Christmas.
Hi Christian, I remember my first tracksaw cutting station had a full set of holes and then I realised that many were not needed (for my way of working). Good luck with all of your woodwork and I wish you and your family a very safe and happy Christmas. Peter
Peter you are the reason I bought a Festool track saw (and numerous other bits of kit), there's no regret from me at all. Enjoy your films as always thanks for sharing them. Merry Xmas to you and the family, hope 2022 brings everything you wish for, cheers. Tony.
Hi Tony, You are very kind and I wish you and your family a very safe and happy Christmas. Peter
Great teaching job nobody should fail at this now ,have a good Christmas.
Hi Nicolas, Many thanks and I wish you and your family a very safe and happy Christmas. Peter
Merry Christmas and a happy new year to you all from Steve, Beeston, Leeds
Hi Steve, Many thanks and I wish you and your family a very safe and happy Christmas. Peter
Good video Peter! Merry Christmas and a happy and healthy New Year!
Hi Darrel, Many thanks and I wish you and your family a very safe and happy Christmas. Peter
I hesitated for quite a while before buying a Parf guide system. I was contemplating just drilling a pattern of holes that O measured carefully and then use a pattern bit to do the holes. So glad I gave up on that path. Whilst it still took time to drill the pattern (using a Ron Paulk bench layout and design). It was quite satisfying just how accurate the system was. Unfortunately I didn’t do the offset holes at the time which I now regret and will try and work out how to do that with all my holes being 20mm.
Hi Randall, It is easy to do more holes after all the others have been cut at 20 mm. Just get a set of Parf Revision Dogs:
www.axminstertools.com/ujk-parf-3mm-aluminium-revision-dogs-3-107359?queryID=85354c69a49975a131bee06cd3e31525
Peter
Perfect thanks Peter. Will get some of these. Really enjoy using this product. And the fact all these extras are available.
Hi Peter I just brought a TSC 55 REB LI. 5.2 AH,it's cordless plunge rail saw.peter what does REB mean it's got a only brought it 2 days ago.peter have you ever used mafell rail saw.? They say Bosch is like a mafell
In Australia they do sell them here ,buy in USA or new zealand.your mitre saw station is a classic.i made one for my brother in-law not same as your. Happy new year mate.
Hi Shane, Some of the abbreviations are explained here:
www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/festool-abbreviations/
I am afraid that I have no experience of Bosch or Mafell kit.
Happy New Year to you too. Peter
Realmente um sistema bem feito e muito bem pensado, com a qualidade e durabilidade que já conhecemos quando se trata de Peter Parfitt, perfeição!
Hi Marcos, You are very kind and I wish you and your family a very safe and happy Christmas. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop obrigado Peter, ótimo natal pra você também 🙏
Peter Parffit and Pythagoras are a formidable combination!
Hi David, We owe a lot to the ancient mathematicians from not only Greece but China, India, ancient Egypt and eventually Europe. Cheers. Peter
Hi Peter, great video as always!. By chance do you have a list of the tools you used to drill, position and make the holes ?
I used the Parf Guide System from Axminster (of course) as well as a drill, an extractor and a pair of clamps. I always use my small Festool CXS (or TXS) for drilling and my Festool CT26 extractor. Peter
Hi Peter very good demo but I think I need to come and make one for King’s Lynn Mens Shed 🤣🤣🤣 only kidding
Hi Derek, A number of woodworking clubs have bought a PGS for use by all members which seems to make sense. Good luck with the Men's Shed. Peter
Peter, I have the original Parf Guide System and I have used it to make many MFT style bench tops and jigs. Do you know if a replacement/upgrade kit is sold? My Parf sticks, pins and guide bushing could use an upgrade...
Hi Johnny, I believe that the Parf Sticks (rulers) are Axminster part number 104450, pins are 104186 (they may be the new ones but will work okay) but I cannot see replacement 3 mm drill guides on their web site. Contact cs@axminster.com and ask if they can supply these and also check that 104450 is right. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Thanks Peter! I like the system so much I think I will just get the whole Mark 2 Kit. Keep up the great work and content!
Really good ilistration, only goes to show you don't need to be a carpenter or cabinet maker to use this guide. Looks like you put some kind of finish on the board prior?
Merry Christmas Peter
Hi Dan, Yes, Andrew did use something but I cannot remember what it was. Cheers. Peter
I have made a few tops using the Parf Guide Mark 2 system but I have struggled to get them exact. They are wildly inaccurate but just a "bit" off. This is especially shown up by the Benchdogs Precision Triangle, which has some 20mm holes on 96mm centers. These inaccuracies are no doubt my fault but I have been speculating that I could improver my accuracy by using a (20, 21, 29) Pythagorean triangle. My reasoning is that doing this makes the sides of the triangle more equal in length and the angles closer to 45 degrees and, I believe, this reduces the possibility of angular error.
Obviously this could not done using using just the 96 mm holes but it can be achieved using a 32 mm hole. The (20, 21, 29) triangle is a (640mm, 672mm, 928mm) triangle and this can be achieved using the current Parf sticks. The 672mm base is between the 0 and 7 holes as normal, but the 640mm side and 928mm hypotenuse can be achieved by using the 32mm hole between the 0 and 1 holes.
What I am proposing is to make the 3mm holes for the base as normal but then reverse the Parf sticks. The hypotenuse is then the 0 hole on the base and the 10 hole on one ruler, and the other side is then the 7 hole on the base and the 7 hole on the other ruler. The two rulers should then intersect at the 32mm hole between the 0 and 1 holes on the two Parf sticks.
I am suggesting this as a concept as I have not, as yet, tested it as I do not have a workshop but just a bench in a spare/storage/junk room. I am not currently set up to use it but I hope to have the chance to do so soon.
Hi Robert, the 20,21,29 is not easily scalable and so would not be very versatile. Do look carefully at your method if you are not getting spot on results. Peter
Would be great to see a video on using it Peter
Hi Sean, I show it in use in many of my videos. Here are just a few...
PGS Overview:
ua-cam.com/video/5usysrkgQBo/v-deo.html
Using the PGS - Part 1:
ua-cam.com/video/BNzPVEbLxb4/v-deo.html
Using the PGS Part 2:
ua-cam.com/video/yukHvkM7Z2U/v-deo.html
PGS 4 Cut Test:
ua-cam.com/video/EbsRAIS5CoU/v-deo.html
PGS Used by a Novice:
ua-cam.com/video/TL_MF-u57jI/v-deo.html
Making the Box for the PGS:
ua-cam.com/video/kM_IlZ1actM/v-deo.html
PGS Xtras #1:
ua-cam.com/video/o59i3zTaLTs/v-deo.html
How to make a near perfect square:
ua-cam.com/video/DXJ8jt29R4k/v-deo.html
PGS New and Tips:
ua-cam.com/video/_RXwYM1wOxA/v-deo.html
How to make a speedy cutting station:
ua-cam.com/video/wdX-s2-GW1U/v-deo.html
How to make a simple dust port for the PGS
ua-cam.com/video/sstHaUmzQ0w/v-deo.html
Hi Peter, Two points. I note from Ron Paulk's videos the he doesn't use the pegs to drill out the 20mm holes but just locates the spike of the special Forstner cutter in the small holes. He claims this just as accurate and is certainly much quicker. Have you tried this streamlined method?
Second, having produced blisters on my fingers using the chamfer cutter I plan to drill and tap the top to take a 6 or 8 mm bolt so I can use it in a drill ( running on the slow setting).
I need to make another cutting station as I omitted to check and clamp the sticks on the first one and a couple of the lines are a bit " out".
Happy Xmas. Mike
Hi Mike, For the best accuracy the 20 mm drill guide is essential. I agree that doing loads of chamfers can be tedious but they are only needed where you expect to place a chamfer dog - for me that is about 16 holes. Have a happy Christmas. Cheers. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop Hi Peter, Sorry I didn't make the point very well. RP uses the drill guide but he doesn't locate it with the dogs when he drills the 20mm holes. Mike
The guide does need to be properly held in place for best accuracy. Peter
Hi ,genuine question here. What’s the main advantages of making your own top when you can buy a cnc made top ? Is it a cost saving exercise or more for the custom made effect?
Hi Basil, I have had a number of disappointments with woodworking CNC efforts due to poor accuracy. This is mostly due to the cutters losing their edge and getting smaller making cuts less accurate. Other maintenance issues can cause problems as well. The Festool MFT3 tops are CNC created and yet they vary in accuracy by a huge amount but remember, Festool make no claim about the accuracy of the CNC created tops. With the PGS you can get a top that suits you without the need for complicated drawings. The layout will be very accurate. You can change it even after it has been in use for a while and, if it gets beaten up or left in the rain, you can produce another (and another) as often as you like for the small cost of a piece of MDF. My MFT3 tops used to only last about 2 years and I replace my tracksaw cutting station about every 3 years. Peter
@@NewBritWorkshop thanks for the reply Peter. Now you’ve explained it, it makes perfect sense. I didn’t realise there was so much inaccuracy with CNC tops. Keep up the great work.
Peter, the PGS has saved my MFT/3, I've added a bunch of offset holes to increase capacity, and that I trust more than the original ones. They're also more snug. This brings me to two suggestions; 1) please make a video about the difference in diameter between different dogs. I have a bunch of different ones, that I've sorted into groups, based on diameters. I don't want to reference a 19,80mm dog at one end and a 19,95mm on the other end of the rail, even though the error introduced is very small. UJK parf dogs seem to be 19,95mm, Veritas Parf dogs 19,90? TSO "close-fit" equal to UJK dogs? 2) UJK fit is good enough for me, but I would really like to use a knob from underneath. Why are they not threaded? If they were, I think I would go all in on UJK and ditch all other types of dogs I have, for the peace of mind with consistent diameters.
Hi Daniel, Many thanks for this excellent suggestion. My main objective with the PGS was to get very high 90 degree accuracy of cuts but then the key point of the "Parf" range of products was to introduce a common standard which was mainly about the diameter of dogs. I will look at the video idea closely. Cheers. Peter
NOOICE!!!
Sorry peter with my writing brought saw 2 days ago.