This made me realize this character was really made for people to have pity for her in T1, and it fucking worked... I wonder what the hell would the writters do if she actually got voted guilty from the start lol
Tbf, her innocent/guilty ratio wasn't even that large in trial 1. She was only 50.83~% innocent, which made me believe some people saw through her pity party more than the writers thought
@@Finally_in_reverse This makes things even funnier bc girl was so confident we would vote her innocent that when we actually did so she was like "heh, I knew you would" probably not knowing her actual ratio😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
my guess is that given how she was acting, and the context we have now, maybe we woulda gotten full layers, but maybe the "pitifulself" she showed at the start becomes more and more her "real self" then her "god complex" self. Ironicly, her song actually convinced me to stop voting, because it kinda made me realize how badly voting (from my prospective at least) would just fuck with these people, and it might just be a losing game, cuz imagine what coulda happened had kotoko hurt her, or even then, had shidou not been able to act accordingly.
The fact that mu got 88.89% guilty when I checked was insane lmfao Edit: Its gone down by alot at around 77% now, but it was still kinda funny when it happened
This video gives us the context that I think we've all basically assumed: whether or not you call what Mu was doing before bullying or just plain gossip, she was clearly in social control of her school/social bubble/whatever. She liked to control them all. We also see her topple other bees to the point of shattering, which implies that, even if she just gave them a little push, whatever she was doing caused severe harm. She just laughs it off, though, saying she was bored. It's possible Mu thinks of controlling others as friendship (she seems to think Haruka doing whatever she says and liking it is the epitome of friendship) rather than people being afraid to question the queen. Either way, it definitely seems like that's a relevant part of the past. In her audio drama, Mu reacts very strongly against the notion that she was previously a bully. However, her best defense is that she says she never hit someone or dumped water on their head. I think Mu believes that bullying can only be bullying if it's physical (we see her on the ground frequently in After Pain, so I think the bullying that happened to her was physical). Thus, she genuinely believes what happened to her was completely different, and therefore, her revenge is justified. The end of the video gets a little weird, because a lot of time is skipped. The person Mu eventually kills shows up when Mu is talking about if people are jealous and want to betray her. That person approaches Mu when she's gossiping, and then we immediately cut to mu having stabbed her. (This happens around 1:45.) I think that the entirety of After Pain fits within that moment of 1:45. During that time, the tables turn on Mu, her previous friends begin to bully her (physically), and she begins to snap, eventually killing the girl who started it all in her eyes. Mu eventually flies out of the broken hourglass, but as it turns out, she seemed to be stuck in the top; it wasn't her side that was drowning, that was ticking to its inevitable end. It was her victim's. I'm really not sure what happened at the end, or when that scene happens. The lyrics make it seem like it's a flex from Mu, though; maybe that happened before all of this, where that girl was presumably bullied by Mu and her friends? As for voting, I'm currently unsure, but have a verdict nonetheless. Her audio drama and the song make it clear she believes she's fully in the right, but voting her guilty doesn't really mean much and it potentially risks Haruka's life. Still, I think I'd currently lean guilty. I want to teach her that situations can be nuanced. She seems to currently think that an innocent verdict (even with the slimmest of margins) like hers means she's completely absolved of guilt; we need to tell her there's more to it than that. EDIT: Back in the morning with more brain cells! I think I've figured out the end scene, at least in the way I'm interpreting it. I think that the victim is there symbolically, not literally, “after death.” She isn’t there in real life, just in Mu’s thoughts, sort of like how Heather Chandler follows around Veronica Sawyer after she was an accomplice in her murder in Heathers. As Mu sings about how everything is how she wants it, the hourglass is once again flipped. I think that the hourglass flipping is showing who's "on top"; whoever has control is on top, whoever's suffering and being judged is on the bottom. Thus, this end flip of the hourglass should mean that the victim is, after death, placing Mu back in the "being judged and suffering" box again. How could she accomplish this? Well, Mu is in Milgram now. As such, I think that there’s one way that the victim could still get her revenge: getting Mu a guilty verdict. Though Mu seems fully convinced of her own innocence, she definitely seems to have anxiety over the idea of her verdict changing. She tries to really sell Es on the idea that it would be cruel to flip her to guilty now that she’s been voted innocent, and this flip of the hourglass reads almost like a prediction on Mu’s part. The hourglass is flipped back at the end of INMF, so at the beginning of her Trial 3 song, she will be suffering once more, at Kotoko’s hand or just as the hand of the thoughts of the voters. Some lyrics clearly show her trying to convince us of the same thing: “Hey what if / If I am a bad girl / Don’t hate me. Don’t even try to proof from ‘After Pain.’” The direct inclusion of After Pain tells us, more than anything else, that she is directly addressing her verdict here. Mu believes she’s in the right, but she also believes that we may turn on her as well, whether it’s out of jealousy or whether she believes that maybe she is a bad person somewhere deep down. In either case, I think that, somewhere in Mu’s mind, she expects us to vote her guilty this trial. I’m not sure how I feel about that.
Really doesnt look like gossip to me when theyve cornered someone in this MV itself on the roof Edit: actually nvm, might just be gossip i thought that person wasnt part of their group because the head looked lowered
I read a comment that for a person who thinks he's innocent, Muu portrays himself in a rather... monstrous form throughout the MV (The MV shows his thoughts in the open, even the non-conscious ones) Not to mention the part of the lyrics where her anxiety comes out Even though she claims she was right, part of her still doubts I'm not saying this to clear her name, or she might forget this doubt she has for good and that would be bad, I just think it's better to keep it in mind and not demonize her entirely (Since in the end if she's demonized so much, it's because she's demonizing herself)
@@nocturne_interlude That's definitely true, she does seem to have some doubts. I just worry that another innocent verdict will completely eliminate any shot we have at getting her to realize that there is reason to doubt.
From what I've noticed, Mu has some sort of control complex. In her BugMuu form, she's the tallest in her group, however irl, she actually is the shortest which makes me curious about how much control Muu had over these 'friends' of hers. Her friends are basically feeding her honey, sort of like status or belonging. It is possible that the Bug scenes could be in Rei's perspective, her directly misinterpreting Muu as the leader from her social status. I believe Muu might've also THOUGHT she was the "leader" because her friends were using her, so she was always giving away stuff like lipstick and whatnot. One other thing I've noticed at 1:37, Mu doesn't take initiative, holding her hands behind her back while her friends are really upfront. She also doesn't speak until the friend to her right prompts her to. The person with their head down MIGHT also be one of Mu's friends and they are portrayed this way to trick us (?), and this scene is simply portraying them gossiping and spreading rumors, however I also find this slightly unlikely. It's more likely they were engaged in person to person non-physical* bullying. Going back to After Pain, I also wish to point something out about the murder itself. When heading outdoors, it is shown to us that Rei changed into her outdoor shoes. Muu didn't have time. This shoe factor is important, heading back here to INMF ー 1:46 We see that her shoe has fallen off. Why is this shoe so important that they panned FROM it to the murder? And how did it end up behind her? This shoe is also on the desk in After Pain I believe. Conclusion? The murder was an accident. Since Muu was wearing the indoor shoes, it caused her to trip. She had the knife because she was thinking of "ending" herself. "Counterattack is a suicide note." The Muu in the cocoon hatches after the murder and the honey she's accumulated from her friends flows out. Keep in mind this is just a theory I had. Additional notes; Rei might've been her close friend before and they also share a liking of fish (lol). And the whole thing with Muu saying 「"あなた"が好きよ」(I love YOU) while running up to Rei. So to Muu, Rei's "misinterpretation" was probably a betrayal to her. At 1:26 when Rei shows up, she says "If you want to betray from jealousy" ー Rei probably stood up for the victims, that or she called them out directly and as a result her friends started to bully Rei "I've told you what's gonna happen". (Placing the flowers on her desk, throwing her stuffs everywhere) Which caused Rei to flip that hourglass and cause the events in After Pain.
I’m pretty sure Muu didn’t actually have any control over the friend group, she probably got taken into the group rather than her making the group itself. I’m guessing this mostly because of her copying Sayu’s pose on the rooftop and wearing a pink sweater
Hey so I love this comment and I think you've noticed a couple things that I think are definitely important but I do want to adress one thing that bothers me about this reading. The shoe falling off could very well be an implication that Muu tripped - I really wouldn't know how else it would have fallen off, maybe a struggle? - but looking at the part of AP where the stab happens, you can see that Muu is seemingly throwing her entire weight into the stab (which could be congruent with tripping), but she's also holding the knife with both hands and stabs her right in the chest. Putting aside that stabbing someone right through what appears to be her heart is really hard to do on accident, if we assume that Muu tripped - and so didn't have time to change her grip on the knife - that would mean that she was running *at* Rei holding a knife with *both* hands and pointing it *towards* her. There's really no other way that both Muu tripping in INMF and the moment of the stabbing in AP line up, but that does signify that Muu had very clear malicious intent - be it to stab Rei or threaten her at knifepoint. If she was threatening to end herself, there's no reason the knife would be (actively) pointed at Rei instead of herself. Not that I have a valid alternative, but I just wanted to point it out.
@@whizkeysh0t Difference is Fuuta actually shows guilt and remorse after realising what he's done. Muu just thinks she's in the right because she believes she can do no wrong.
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a reminder before this drops that metavoting in Milgram has never, EVER worked for us. voting Muu forgiven for the sake of Haruka will not go as planned. Amane was metavoted to teach her a lesson, and instead became even more insular in her beliefs. Kotoko was metavoted so she would align herself with Es, and instead directly went against Es' wishes, using her additional power to further her own agenda. metavoting in Milgram is NEVER as simple as 'if you vote this way, X will happen'. you're free to vote as you choose, but i see no reason to believe that things are as clear cut as Haruka being safe if Muu is forgiven and dead if Muu is unforgiven.
Was kotoko metavoted? was not there during her thing so I have no idea but my impression was that people that she was just because she was going after people who deserve it which sounds like futa case but I have not watch her mv in a while so i could be forgetting.
Kotoko was the last prisoner, so I don't think everyone in the English-speaking community had seen her VD or Q&A (and there was less translation at the time) She saved a child from abuse on the spot, which makes her case self-defence, so it was hard to completely blame her even if her way of thinking was worrying. And many people think that she herself has experienced abuse and is doing what she is doing to get past her discomfort, which must have influenced the votes too But otherwise I validate, too much metavoting kills metavoting (and the prisoners)
@@azaclex7765 No, not obviously Voting Amane guilty may also push her over the edge and put Shidou in danger if not forgiving her makes her mental state worsen again Forgiving her could bring her back to a calmer state and prevent things from going wrong (since Amane grew up in a place where people were violent with her when she "made a mistake" until she apologised, this could work and calm her down immediately) I think only her MV and VD will be able to fully answer the question
When she said “I’m doing this just because of being bored” and then “We are just the same” while smiling and looking at us .. i got chills 👏 That implies we are the same as her, having control of the prisoner’s fate, watching and judging from afar bc it’s entertaining Milgram really calling us out on hypocrisy 👏
It’s different tho Mu’s victims were most likely completely innocent people that she just felt like ruining their lives. Everyone in MILGRAM has taken someone’s life, it’s a bit different to play around like this with killers than it is with innocent people.
@@poporipopes4876 I think the point is, we have control of their outcome, judging them with our moral high-ground and playing with their fate, for our own entertainment and without consequences on our end.
@@JoezetteCecile and I perfectly get that. Still tho, there’s already a better example of someone calling us out on out hypocrisy is Futa, since he had been in our exact position in judging and punishing “bad people”. Mu’s doesn’t quite hit as hard because the people she hurt were most likely innocent and hadn’t done anything wrong at all. Of course, one could argue that we as the viewers are also all doing this out of boredom and to have some fun, the meta votes of the first trial and proof of that, but pas oppose to Mu who was hurting real people (in her world at least) we’re only judgin fictional characters.
@@tyreesjameswilliams35 "外ハネ,"is not a name, it's a hairstyle. We do not know her name， We have taken the liberty of giving it name… （Sorry if my English is wrong…）
My two cents (theres an edit at the end for a new thing i noticed) - The visual of her inside an hourglass that used to represent this stifling pressure, of time running out, in her "After Pain" MV now seems more like her desperate because everything is out of her control now. - Considering that MVs are a reflection of the character's psyche or whatever, T1's affirmation really made her so comfortable and happy that she doesnt even have anything to hide from us. Even the things we would consider is disgusting (like her attitude, and her bullying), she gloats that theres no mistakes and we agree with her. - The scene 1:53 feels like a panic induced euphoria that she's finally regained some sort of control over the situation. Whether its control because of her Queen Bee attitude and she obviously blames this person for how the tides turned on her in her little castle of power, or if its truly because she finally can "fight back" because of her perceived victimhood is up for debate. Im more inclined to the former. Edit: Something I thought was interesting, because I know the vase on the desk (usually a sign that someone has died) will be a point of discussion. There are cases where it's not literal that someone has already died, but rather its a form of bullying. Putting that vase on the targets desk is a way of saying "just pass away already" or will signal the rest of class to start ignoring you. Id like to think that Mu's target of bullying was still alive at the time during the end of this 2nd MV. And if I remember correctly Mu was holding the flower of the vase at the end of After Pain. Possibly implying she put it there herself, instead of what I believe everyone thought to be her recieving the flower in a "symbolic way". Leading me to believe that her telling us not to look closely at After Pain, could also be literal. There are a lot of scenes which can now be taken different from our first impressions, now with this new MV's given context to Mu's Psyche about her place in the social ladder.
@@Nomarura keep in mind that, her perception of bully might be different. Sure she bullied, but never physically.. She mostly starts the bully but the deed is done by the three bullies.
You're right about a vase with flowers part. One of the messages on the blackboard near the end is "いつもたのしませてくれてありがとう！お花プレゼントしておいたよ" -> "Thanks for the all the fun time together! I(we)'ve left flowers as a present for you" which seems weird to be placed there among other hate messages. Most likely that's being ironic in a "just pass away already" way. Also I feel like the context of how the hierarchy got reversed from her being a bully to being bullied wasn't expanded enough (or maybe I'm just missing some details). What we know for sure is that the girl who she ended up killing found out about the bullying and most likely played some big part in bringing it up to light. Maybe that part (and Mu's relationship with her) is what's important and will be explained later.
Video premieres in 5 days… I noticed a lot of people excited to vote Mu guilty- remember that the trial this time around seems to want us to vote in the opposite way that we did last time, and to keep all the details before voting. I’m scared we’ll fall into impulse votes. And I’m so excited for this song! Mu’s songs always slap and the little bit we heard from the teaser has been living in my head ever since. Edit: Well…. Mu… This one seems a little…. Guilty looking… I’ve never seen a MILGRAM look so incriminating.
@@thanatosdriver1938 They really did tell us to doubt our sins so I'm certain this trial wouldn't end so well (But there's no other choice so LETS GOOOOOO)
@Ruta I completely agree, I really think we should make this innocent, and I will try my absolute hardest to make it happen. And here's my take on this. Please innocent this verdict, Mu is in a very fragile state right now, and that she's realizing her mistake on her own time, and with the guy she's with guiltied, she may feel the need to help him and care for him, fostering a codependency that will help them both to realize their mistakes and to grow as people.
Aight, took some time to gather what I can gather: ⧗ ⧖ Chronologically, the story starts in this MV rather than After Pain; ⧖ ● Muu is likely a "queen" of the class hierarchy with close 'friends' that stick to her and benefit off of each other (Her definition of friendship in the Voice Drama). ○ ⧗ Her influence is strong enough that she can persuade her friends to bully someone while her hands remain "clean" (In the voice drama, she claimed to have never 'bullied' someone physically herself.) ○ ⧗ She, in particular, has three close friends that do her bidding (1:54 of After Pain) and are represented by the other three bees in this MV in both (0:32) and (1:30). ⧖ ● Now in (0:32), we see Muu flicking off a fourth figure, this would be the other girl in (1:36) that they picked on. The scene in (0:32) should imply that the girl challenged or disrupted Muu's 'authority' and was thus subject to becoming a pariah and bullied. ○ ⧗ In comes the Victim! She witnesses said bullying during (1:26) and the whole rooftop scene is likely her perspective of the events. In (1:43), it's Muu and the others seeing the victim witnessing their doing. ⧖ ⧗ ⧖ ⧗ *After Pain* ⧖ ⧗ ⧖ ⧗ ⧗ ○ Now in comes the whole plot of After Pain after that scene. In summary, the 'friends' turned their backs on Muu as she probably becomes the new school pariah instead of the queen, effectively inverting her whole school image and authority, now she's the victim of bullying by the three who used to be her lackeys. ● ⧖ This sends Muu into a state of stress and confusion, and the climax starts before the last chorus of After Pain (2:06). Muu notices the victim's presence and realizes that she can still turn the situation around through the one who inverted her authority. ⧗ ● (2:30) clearly whether Muu apologized or bargained, it doesn't work for her. Now all the stress and negative emotions explode as represented by the falling hourglass in After Pain, leading up to a final impulsive decision of ending the life of the one who caused her to lose her power. ⧗ ⧖ ⧗ ⧖ *It’s Not My Fault* ⧗ ⧖ ⧗ ⧖ ⧖ ● Now I don't believe the scene in (1:54) to be proof of Muu's character, in extension to the whole murder itself. I still believe that it was a momentary lapse in reasoning and that it wasn't planned by her. a fellow commenter @capririusart mentioned that it was panic-induced euphoria and I can completely get behind the idea, search for their comment if you want more details. ○ ⧗ Speaking of @capririusart, they did cover most of the things I mentioned and what I'm going to mention so please do find their comment as it also delves into some symbolism found in the MV. ⧖ ● Now something obvious to point about in the scene at (2:30) until the end is the mirror to After Pain. This likely shows the background of the victim and their motivation to challenge Muu's authority when she got the chance during the rooftop scene. She herself was a victim of bullying and it fuelled her desire for revenge against Muu. ○ ⧗ It was kinda fitting as revenge is now the whole theme of Muu's scenario; the victim got her revenge on Muu through After Pain and Muu continued the cycle by getting revenge on her through murder. An action brought forth revenge, which returned as another form of revenge. What's your insight on this twisted scenario that Muu created?
my insight is that the girls each had a gift for mu in 0:32 their queen. each brings a larval grub for her to feast on. this is analogous to the gift-giving she participated in. After Pain text messages talk about her gifting a tube of lipstick (taken from her mom iirc) to the other girls. Rich girls giving each other expensive gifts to show off.. And well, when you come up short, you're the broke bitch to target next. It's an All Girls Private School, and to my understanding this sort of behavior isnt unheard of. The video starts out with nearly several or nearly a dozen bees right? By the end she and her besties are dancing on the shattered remains of the other girls' self-esteem and social standing. I dont think it's something as grand as challenging her authority. It's just 'survival of the fittest' in a social arena. Bonding over torturing the next and freshest easy target. Mu knew this well enough that when she does kill, she's relieved knowing it'll take the attention off of her due to "did you hear about the tragedy that happened?" "it's horrible" (the gossiping shown at the end of After Pain, and the whiteboard gossip at the start and end of it. the end of After Pain implies people may have suspected Mu, but they still focused on the death with more priority)
I think it might even go a step further - I think Muu *intentionally* took the ire/focus off the victim in order to "save" her, like the victim saved the bullied girl. I think the victim was bullied in between the first girl and Muu, and that's why the cry of "I love YOU" is so important...
Mu's situation in milgram is more nuanced than the black and white that her MVs seems to portray, and I think that gives an interesting look into the way Mu views things. Her last MV showed her entirely as the victim, while this new one shoves the idea of her being evil down your throat, but I think they are both truthful. This MV doesn't disprove Mu was bullied, I still believe that the events shown previously, her getting bullied and "betrayed" are accurate. To be brief, this MV (albeit vaguely) confirms her trauma went along the lines of: Her and her friends(?) bullied others-> friends(?) cast her out-> Mu becomes bullying victim-> a peer who witnessed her as a bully ignores her-> she lashes out. In MV 1, we saw the side of Mu that she becomes when she feels unsure and alone, completely self victimizing and scared that her life will only continue to worsen. I wouldn't say her feelings here are invalid, I'll go more into this later. In MV 2, we see a Mu similar to how she was when she was a bully, a Mu who feels supported now that others have validated her. A reason this 180 happened could be that she was in her victimizing mindset so long, the second she got validated she flipped back to BugMu cause it was the last time she felt secure. The reason these MVs seem opposite of each other is because of how black and white Mu must see her situation. MV1: "No one is on my side, I must be worthless and wrong" MV2: "Look at all these supporters! This must mean I've done nothing wrong!" I think this behavior could be co-depenence. In order to feel ok, Mu must have people on her side. This is shown not only in her MVs but how quickly she became attached to Haruka. However when she feels that dependence, she feels the need to put others below her to prevent herself being at the bottom. Almost like a cycle. Its very, very difficult to vote Mu innocent here, but guilty as well. This MV portrays her as so evil it suspicious. Mu needs to see the nuance of her situation in order to become a better version of herself, but I'm not sure how that would happen with a vote. Maybe if the vote were to be near 50/50 that could change her perspective. She's still a kid so I think she is forgivable, but man its hard to vote innocent no matter how good the song is. This essay was me theorizing my own take on things, no need to take it to heart and im nervous/excited for her next MV!
I really don't think voting is meant to change their perspectives. It's only to get more information about their crime. Es mentioned something like this in haruka's vd.
This is a really interesting summary and analysis! Previously, her votes were previously very close to 50/50 in the first season. After s1 ended & everyone got new character sprites for s2 and some new voice lines on Milgram page. Mu acknowledged we might've been a bit "lost" about what decision to make, but she continued to say that it doesn't matter b/c she's done nothing wrong (maybe she could say that b/c she ended up being voted not guilty lol). Amane was a similar situation & she continues to be adamant that she wasn't wrong & that we made the wrong choice. So I wonder if after the confidence boost of s1 results, Mu would reconsider anything if the vote was near 50/50 again. I fear it might be similar to Amane where she just claims we made a mistake (maybe even "don't doubt your sense the first time! i'm not wrong!") Voting her not guilty again would just boost her ego, but strongly voting her guilty seems like doing what this MV intends for us to do so it feels a bit like a trap lol. Still not sure what voting strategy we should take and what actual consequences there are. If Kotoko was voted guilty last round, would anyone have been at risk of anything tho? ;v; I wonder if our current goal is just to make sure everyone realizes the error of their ways without punishing them with death...o(-< Sorry for rambling & not contributing much
@@teadrop_ I think voting her guilty wouldn't make her think we voted wrong. Her entire confidence boost originated from the innocent vote. Her being voted guilty would have to do "something" with how much importance she seems to put into it. I don't know if that "something" would be good or bad. But I highly doubt she would just casually shrug off the vote.
I think guilty with a 60/40 would make her self doubt while not going into the trap that they've obviously set. Or perhaps we're overthinking and they made the answer obvious on purpose.
Yeah uh... I think I'm just gonna not vote with at the very least, MU, because I feel this situation is more complicated with the haruka route. I also feel like there really isn't a good route with her, vote guilty, just bring her back to stage 1, vote innocent, make the problem worse. I'm not sure voting now is gonna help, and I'm honestly unsure how to handle this, and I was coming into this MV expecting to vote her guilty
I'm LOVING how these characters transform so vividly based on how we vote; Milgram is something special. Story series told through songs in general are something special
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ムウに対してクズとかクソ女とかいう表現だとか性格が悪いという表現までもがなぜかあまりしっくり来てなかったんだけど「幼稚なまま」「中身がお子様のまま」っていうのを聞いてすごいしっくり来た。
親に甘やかされて周囲にも勝手に立てられて成長する機会がなかったんだろうし「自分が1番なのが当然」みたいな傲慢な価値観のままで、実際綺麗な容姿も家の太さも人が羨むものを全て持ってていじめられるまでは成長しなくても困らない人生だったんだろうなと思う
自分がいじめられてることに対しても「みんな私を羨んでるだけでしょ」って自分のスペックの高さに繋げてそうまである。
綺麗事かもしれないけど赦さないことによって自分の悪い部分に向き合ってもらってムウの成長に繋がればなと思います、中々変わらなそうだけど。
小中高生の子の価値観なんてそりゃ家庭環境が第1の原因だよねと思います
取り巻きの少女たちが女王ムウに捧げ物をしているシーン
空の皿を持った少女が他の少女たちと同じく笑った表情なのは
何も捧げらないだけでなく、空の皿を差し出してムウからの褒美を待っているようにも見える。
1番のサビで蜜の字が溶けた後、正面を向いて虫を持っていたムウのカットが逆さになり
虫を食べようとするムウのカットへと変わる。
これはムウがただ捧げられるだけの存在でなく、取り巻きの少女たちに蜜を与える存在でもあったことを意味しているのではないか。
ドラマパートよりムウにとっての友人関係とは「互いに得があるから一緒にいる存在」であることが示唆されている。
アフターペインにも、ムウが自分に必要のない化粧品を友人にあげていたことが分かるカットがある。
ドラマパートには「ハルカくんにいらないヘアピンをあげたら喜んでいた」という台詞もあり
ムウがいらないものをあげれば友達が喜ぶというのは日常茶飯事だったのではないかと思われる。
ムウの取り巻きたちは、ムウからもらえる蜜が欲しいだけの関係でありムウ自身には関心がなかったのではないか。
ムウは誰かに水をかけたことも叩いたこともない、だから自分はいじめていないと言う。
エスの発言からもそれは事実であり、
ムウは「あの子がムウにひどいことをするの」とただ悲しめば
周囲が勝手に「ムウちゃん可哀想だよね、あいつが悪いよね」と勝手に動いてくれていただけの可能性が高い。
ムウ的には「ちょっと痛い目に合えばいいなとは思ったけどムウは何もしてないよ、周囲が勝手にそうしただけ」くらいの認識なのだろう。
取り巻きたちはムウから蜜をもらうために気に入られようと勝手に意図を汲む。
ムウはそれを当たり前のように受け入れ、彼女らが差し出す蜜を受け取る。
ムウにとっての友人関係とはそういうものなのだろう。
公式のQ＆Aの回答から、幼い頃からそうであったことが察せられる。
そんなムウの友人関係を歪に感じていたのが外ハネちゃんである。
彼女だけが、ムウの心象世界を描いたPVの中で唯一はっきりと顔が描かれている人物であり
虫の世界の中でそのまま人間の姿であり、ムウの思う世界に染まっていない。
「ゆっくり針を刺して 作り変えちゃうのたまんない」
今まで、どんな相手だろうとご褒美をちらつかせたり、言うことをきかないのであれば排除しようとすれば「友達」になってくれたのだろう。
だが外ハネちゃんは違った。
彼女の存在はムウに自分の友人関係が歪であることを示してしまったのではないか。
だから外ハネちゃんはムウに目をつけられたのではないか。
ムウは外ハネちゃんのことが気に入らなかっただろう。
そして周囲がその意図を汲んで外ハネちゃんのいじめが始まったのだろう。
しかし、それは何らかの事情で逆転し逆にムウがいじめられることとなった。
「待って待って仮の話 あたしがいけない子だったらどうしよ」
ムウは、心のどこかで自分が間違っていることに気が付いていた。
もしかすると外ハネちゃんの存在から示される、自分自身を見てくれる本当の友情に惹かれるものがあったのかもしれない。
ムウがいじめの対象となり、友情が崩壊したあとに縋ったは外ハネちゃんだった。
しかしそれは拒絶された。
だからムウは衝動的に彼女を刺したのではないか。
なんでも取り巻きにやらせてきたムウが唯一手を下した存在であり、
PVの中で唯一顔がはっきりと描かれている外ハネちゃんがムウにとって大きな存在であった可能性は高い。
結果として命を奪うという形でムウは外ハネちゃんに「勝った」
アフターペインの
「「ごめんなさい」は届かないよ いつか届くかな」
は外ハネちゃんに対する純粋な罪悪感で
「「ごめんなさい」が聞こえないよ？ いつか聞こえるかな」
は、外ハネちゃんがさっさと自分に従えばこんなことにならなかったのにという苛立ちなのかもしれない。
すごい納得した……｡
This is the best interpretation I’ve seen yet!
今までで一番納得いく考察
アフターペインで「あなたが好きよ」って歌詞があって？えっ？このタイミングで愛の告白？なんで？と思ったけど、この説の通りなら納得だわ。
外ハネちゃんは特別な存在だったんだな
腑に落ちました……
素敵な考察ありがとうございます！
1:33 他の女の子たちより断然足が細いのがほんとに容姿に恵まれてるんだなって感じでちゃんとそこまで細かいの好き、、、
Thin legs meaning “more attractive” is a wild statement
マジじゃん
This made me realize this character was really made for people to have pity for her in T1, and it fucking worked... I wonder what the hell would the writters do if she actually got voted guilty from the start lol
ikr bc this music a banger and we wouldnt have ir
..
Tbf, her innocent/guilty ratio wasn't even that large in trial 1. She was only 50.83~% innocent, which made me believe some people saw through her pity party more than the writers thought
@@Finally_in_reverse This makes things even funnier bc girl was so confident we would vote her innocent that when we actually did so she was like "heh, I knew you would" probably not knowing her actual ratio😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
my guess is that given how she was acting, and the context we have now, maybe we woulda gotten full layers, but maybe the "pitifulself" she showed at the start becomes more and more her "real self" then her "god complex" self. Ironicly, her song actually convinced me to stop voting, because it kinda made me realize how badly voting (from my prospective at least) would just fuck with these people, and it might just be a losing game, cuz imagine what coulda happened had kotoko hurt her, or even then, had shidou not been able to act accordingly.
she'd probably be like"why did you not pity me do you not have hearts" and shi like that
小さい頃から泣いたら「ムウちゃん泣いてるんだから許してあげなよ。可哀想でしょ」が当たり前だったんだろな。それが今回殺人も正当化されたので、死んだあの子が悪くて私は悪くないと、結果が楽しみです😆✨
自分で悪いってわかってるから必死に悪くないって自分に言い聞かせてるの美しくて好き
鬱くしいよね
自覚あるかなぁムウ…
@@ぜろ-x4e 悪ぶってる、なるほどです
ガチの他責＆都合よく認知を曲げてしまうタイプの人と捉えてました
@@sake7052そもそも相手に責任を押し付けるのは、悪いことしてる自覚がないと起こらないからね
一切悪いことしたと思ってなければ人のせいにすることもない
@@ずっくー いや、ナチュラルボーンは存在しますよ😅でもMVの表情やここまで主張するとなるとそうでしょうね
これまでとぜんっぜん雰囲気が違うカワイイ系じゃなくてガッツリ虫寄りの見た目にすることで生理的な嫌悪感の演出と生態系の頂点ってイメージを掻き立てるの上手いなぁ……
「かわいそう」を逆手にとるかわいい女の子のグロテスクさを虫で表現するのすごく考えられているなぁ
いつも自分が勝ってるだから正しいというロジック破壊されそうになって殺しちゃったのかな…………
「なんで許したくならないの？」って感じで
うわあーめっちゃしっくりきました……だから虫で表現したんだ……！！！！ありがとうございます！！！
確かに蒸しにするのはいいアイデアですね～
虫にするのはいいアイデアですね～
でもさ、虫のムウもかわいくない・・？（ズレる論点）
つまりムウは『泣き虫』じゃぁなく言葉悪いけど『害虫』だったんだね
ムウちゃんマジで人として考えれば最悪なんだけど、ストーリーやエンタメ的に見ると最高に楽しませてくれるキャラクターだな…
ムウちゃんが歌詞を書いてる❌
ムウちゃんの思想思考が可視化⭕️
って言うのがほんとに分かる曲だな、、上辺では私悪くないって言うし、自分自身に私は悪くないって言い聞かせてる感。
心の中では悪いことしたけどみんな許してくれるよね？この前許してくれたよね？っていう圧を感じる、人間味...
最期羽が生えて飛んでるあたり本当に赦されて有頂天になってるんだな
そうですね。。。みんな死んだと飛んでく 笑
ムウってビジュアルの人気もあるし今回MVでも可愛いビジュのムウを望んでる人が多いはずなのに虫の姿で描いてるの強気で好き
虫の姿のムウもかわいいよね・・・かわいくない？
@@user-yofutyawn 人外好きな私からしたらぶっ刺さった
独特な姿だからこそ、また不思議な曲の感覚に引き込まれるなぁ
一審で曲を聴いた人達から赦すを勝ち取った途端素が露出して二審で圧倒的赦されない手の平返しが起こるの、芸術点高いな
原作って言ったら可笑しいけど、原作通り。
確かにね
@@袖時雨桜花-h5yモチーフがあるんですか？
@@user-salad22ないと思います(もちろん、こういう子は世の中存在しますけど)よ、だから『原作通りって言ったら可笑しいけど』ってあるんだと思います
多分「まさにムウという少女を体現している」という意味です
@@ずっくー ああ〜なるほど‼️天才すぎる
外ハネちゃんって元取り巻きでもなくムウちゃんをいじめ返してた子の一人でもなく「気持ち悪いし理解できないから近づきたくない」というスタンスを取ってた子なのかな…
元取り巻きではないかなと思ってました転校生をいじめる的な元々仲間じゃない異色のもののように仲間外れにしていじめてた子なのかなと思いました！でも今回の見ると確かに避けてる感じがあって当たり障りなくしようとしてたのかなとも思いますね。彼女の中に心の中に正義感とかあってあの皆の輪を拒絶するような…それを正そうといじめたみたいな？
いきなりすみません！私の説明も下手で！
分かりやすくうわ〜……って嫌悪感マシマシの顔してるから超避けてそうだよなあ
外ハネちゃんが人間として描かれてムウちゃんが虫として描かれてるのは外ハネちゃんにとってムウちゃんは人間として見れないって事だからなのかな
@@AMANE_0402 天才じゃん
@@AMANE_0402💯
赦したらやっぱ私は悪くないって調子乗るし赦さなかったらやっぱり私は可哀想ってまた被害者面をするようになるしこれはもうハイになっちゃうよ、、、、、、
結果どっちみち私達看守にいい救いと選択なんて無いんやなと改めて理解したし絶望しかない(血の涙)
女王の座で散々人をいじめて見下しておいて｢私はいつも可哀想なの｣は最高に狂おしくて好き
1:53
何だこれ狂ってやがる…って思った
でも女の子の心の解像度しては大分高めでびっくりしちゃった 絶対に自分は人をいじめないという自負があるし実際そういうのは大嫌いだけど、そういうメンタリティは理解できるから
女王、としてかわいそうって意味じゃない？下には目線がいかないあたり、マジモンを感じる
赦したら｢赦して本当によかったのか｣と思わせ赦さなかったら｢赦さないでよかったのか｣と思わせるミルグラムに心臓握られている気がする
❤
🫸🫀🫷
……これもしかして外ハネちゃん、屋上でいじめの現場を抑えたんじゃない……？
ムウ周辺に顔をしかめたり、屋上で振り向いたムウの表情、ラストの黒板に書かれた「なんでいるの？」がスッと線で繋がるような気がした
アフターペインで息切らしながら追いついている描写も、「もし自分がやってることが悪いことだったらどうしよう(あかーーん！)」って焦燥感から来てるとしたら辻褄が合うし。
で多分、ムウちゃんは相手が許しを乞うてきたら許すタイプ。自分の生まれとか環境とか性格性で悪く言われそうになると報復するというか……あくまで自分が被害者側のスタンスで、相手が痛い目を見て省みるまでが彼女の中でワンセットで。
だから外ハネちゃんの件も「謝っても許してくれない」とは思っていなかったんだろうな……自分は常に許す側だったから、許されない事実は絶対に納得できない、承服できなかったんだな……今までの「可哀想な自分」「許している優位な自分」が完膚なきまでに否定されちゃうから。
その上で起きた殺害(恐らくムウの中では報復行為)を「赦すよ」って第三者から言われたらそら……悪くないもんってなっちゃうよなぁ……
まっっって1番納得する答えきた！！！
「アフターペインのMVは時系列が逆になっていて外ハネちゃんを殺したからムウはいじめられるようになった」って考察見て、じゃあなんでムウは外ハネちゃんを殺したのかがずっと気になってたんだけど「外ハネちゃんにいじめの現場を抑えられたから」めっちゃしっくり来る、、！！
@@yoru.2076でも屋上で現場抑えられてからの殺害だったら外ハネちゃんがいじめられてる期間がないことにならないかな？
2:00 羽化するとき嬉しそうな恍惚とした表情っぽいのに、突然我に返ってる感じあるの罪悪感はありそうだよな…
「どうなるか分かってるよね｣
「わたしがいなくなれば 消えればよかったの」
変わりようエグくてやばい
1:54 ここの英語訳に「drama queen」ってあって気になって調べてみたら『英語のスラングの一種で、自分がドラマのヒロインであるかのように、大袈裟で同情を誘うような、感情的な振る舞いをする女性を指して、批判的に用いられる語。』ってあって頷いちゃった…最推しなので悪くないよって言いたいけど投票悩むな…
After pain: My anxiety
It’s not my fault: My God complex
CRYING 😭
HELP ME?????
me fr
my mood swings
relatable content
The fact that mu got 88.89% guilty when I checked was insane lmfao
Edit: Its gone down by alot at around 77% now, but it was still kinda funny when it happened
Sorry, where can I check the votes or if I want to vote?
@@MJade-up1rh if you dont want to search it up, the link to the website is in the description
@@soleilpeik lowkey forgot about that lol
It's already this high?! Maybe because it still the first day.
That's insane...
「痛みの”あと”は探さないでね」が痕と後でアフターペインと重なってて好き
他の人のコメントにあった「ムウにとっての友情とはあくまで利害関係の一致により成り立つもの」というのが当たってそうで悲しい。自分の見た目や恵まれた家庭環境にすり寄ってくるような子しかムウの周りには居なかったから、ムウにとってはそれが当たり前だったし自分のスペックに自信を持ってるのかな。
これ多分一審で有罪だったら「自分はあくまで搾取されることにしか価値がない」「誰も自分のスペックではなく中身を見てくれない」とかそのあたりを全面に押し出した曲になってたんだろうか。
これ、ムウちゃん蜂の女王じゃなくてもしかして女王の幼虫に寄生する寄生虫みたいなイメージで描かれてるのかなと思いました。
そうするとmvで幼虫(蜜？)を食べてるのも「ゆっくり針を刺して作り変えちゃうのたまんない」って言葉もそれっぽい気がする。あと「わるくないもん」っていう言葉にも「こうしないと(誰かに寄生して操らないと)生きられないからしょうがないでしょ」って意味もかかってるのかな〜って思いました。
ムウちゃんにとってこれは生存競争みたいなもんなのかもなあ
30秒あたりで空の皿を差し出して壊される虫ちゃん、他の虫ちゃんよりも羽が短いから『スカートの裾がみんなより短いから』みたいないわゆるしょうもない理由で目を付けられて気に食わないからって虐められて心を壊されちゃったのかな……と思ってしまった
天才すぎ😂
待って着眼点てんさいすぎるー！！！明らかに長さ違うからほんとにあり得そうすごい🥹🥹
1:07の「ごめんごめん痛かったよね…〜」あたり、声が曇って聞こえる気がする…まさかトイレの個室の外から話しかけてたり？(水ぶっかけたあととか)
最初サビだけ聞いた時はめっちゃ調子乗ってる〜〜！！って思ってたけど外ハネちゃんの顔だけはちゃんと覚えてるのも「自分がいけない子かもしれない」って事も一瞬だけ頭によぎってるのも予想外でミルグラムって楽し！！！！！！
キャンメイクトーキョー
@@suirenka190女の子ってほんとに楽しい！！！
ミルグラムって本当に楽しい！𝑪𝑨𝑵𝑴𝑨𝑲𝑬 𝑻𝑶𝑲𝒀𝑶
This video gives us the context that I think we've all basically assumed: whether or not you call what Mu was doing before bullying or just plain gossip, she was clearly in social control of her school/social bubble/whatever. She liked to control them all. We also see her topple other bees to the point of shattering, which implies that, even if she just gave them a little push, whatever she was doing caused severe harm. She just laughs it off, though, saying she was bored.
It's possible Mu thinks of controlling others as friendship (she seems to think Haruka doing whatever she says and liking it is the epitome of friendship) rather than people being afraid to question the queen. Either way, it definitely seems like that's a relevant part of the past.
In her audio drama, Mu reacts very strongly against the notion that she was previously a bully. However, her best defense is that she says she never hit someone or dumped water on their head. I think Mu believes that bullying can only be bullying if it's physical (we see her on the ground frequently in After Pain, so I think the bullying that happened to her was physical). Thus, she genuinely believes what happened to her was completely different, and therefore, her revenge is justified.
The end of the video gets a little weird, because a lot of time is skipped. The person Mu eventually kills shows up when Mu is talking about if people are jealous and want to betray her. That person approaches Mu when she's gossiping, and then we immediately cut to mu having stabbed her. (This happens around 1:45.)
I think that the entirety of After Pain fits within that moment of 1:45. During that time, the tables turn on Mu, her previous friends begin to bully her (physically), and she begins to snap, eventually killing the girl who started it all in her eyes. Mu eventually flies out of the broken hourglass, but as it turns out, she seemed to be stuck in the top; it wasn't her side that was drowning, that was ticking to its inevitable end. It was her victim's.
I'm really not sure what happened at the end, or when that scene happens. The lyrics make it seem like it's a flex from Mu, though; maybe that happened before all of this, where that girl was presumably bullied by Mu and her friends?
As for voting, I'm currently unsure, but have a verdict nonetheless. Her audio drama and the song make it clear she believes she's fully in the right, but voting her guilty doesn't really mean much and it potentially risks Haruka's life. Still, I think I'd currently lean guilty. I want to teach her that situations can be nuanced. She seems to currently think that an innocent verdict (even with the slimmest of margins) like hers means she's completely absolved of guilt; we need to tell her there's more to it than that.
EDIT: Back in the morning with more brain cells! I think I've figured out the end scene, at least in the way I'm interpreting it. I think that the victim is there symbolically, not literally, “after death.” She isn’t there in real life, just in Mu’s thoughts, sort of like how Heather Chandler follows around Veronica Sawyer after she was an accomplice in her murder in Heathers.
As Mu sings about how everything is how she wants it, the hourglass is once again flipped. I think that the hourglass flipping is showing who's "on top"; whoever has control is on top, whoever's suffering and being judged is on the bottom. Thus, this end flip of the hourglass should mean that the victim is, after death, placing Mu back in the "being judged and suffering" box again. How could she accomplish this?
Well, Mu is in Milgram now. As such, I think that there’s one way that the victim could still get her revenge: getting Mu a guilty verdict.
Though Mu seems fully convinced of her own innocence, she definitely seems to have anxiety over the idea of her verdict changing. She tries to really sell Es on the idea that it would be cruel to flip her to guilty now that she’s been voted innocent, and this flip of the hourglass reads almost like a prediction on Mu’s part. The hourglass is flipped back at the end of INMF, so at the beginning of her Trial 3 song, she will be suffering once more, at Kotoko’s hand or just as the hand of the thoughts of the voters. Some lyrics clearly show her trying to convince us of the same thing: “Hey what if / If I am a bad girl / Don’t hate me. Don’t even try to proof from ‘After Pain.’”
The direct inclusion of After Pain tells us, more than anything else, that she is directly addressing her verdict here. Mu believes she’s in the right, but she also believes that we may turn on her as well, whether it’s out of jealousy or whether she believes that maybe she is a bad person somewhere deep down. In either case, I think that, somewhere in Mu’s mind, she expects us to vote her guilty this trial. I’m not sure how I feel about that.
Really doesnt look like gossip to me when theyve cornered someone in this MV itself on the roof
Edit: actually nvm, might just be gossip i thought that person wasnt part of their group because the head looked lowered
I read a comment that for a person who thinks he's innocent, Muu portrays himself in a rather... monstrous form throughout the MV (The MV shows his thoughts in the open, even the non-conscious ones)
Not to mention the part of the lyrics where her anxiety comes out
Even though she claims she was right, part of her still doubts
I'm not saying this to clear her name, or she might forget this doubt she has for good and that would be bad, I just think it's better to keep it in mind and not demonize her entirely (Since in the end if she's demonized so much, it's because she's demonizing herself)
@@nocturne_interlude That's definitely true, she does seem to have some doubts. I just worry that another innocent verdict will completely eliminate any shot we have at getting her to realize that there is reason to doubt.
This🔥
Oooh that was what I was thinking too but you made it a lot more clearer for me to articulate my thoughts :DDDD
なんかまだムウ何か隠してる気がするんよねー。ミルグラムって人を殺してるけどグレーな奴らを集めてるんだと思うんだけど、ムウの今までのMVを見たら「いじめしてました！」「いじめの現場目撃されて殺しちゃいました！」「自分もいじめられました！私って可哀想🥺」って感じなのがグレーどころかクロすぎるんだよな。じゃあどこがグレーなんだろうって考えた時にレイ→ムウにいじめのターゲットが変わったきっかけが重要なんじゃねえかな？
私もそう思います！！😭
私はムウは、この殺人がどうこうではなくその過程をどう捉えるかに重点を置いているのかなと思います
ムウは第一審の時唯一明確に手にかけたシーンが映っていたのにも関わらず、いじめの被害者に見えるMVの影響もあってか赦されました。対して2審では加害者側であった事実が分かりましたがムウが被害者であることも(多分)事実なので、これは自業自得である反面、ムウがかなり追い詰められていたことも間違いないでしょう
またムウはここまでハッキリ殺人を犯しているとのの、本人が「私悪くない、周りの人が悪いの」と強く考えています。これも他の囚人と大きく異なる点だと思います。(ただ大なり小なり罪悪感は抱いているだろうけど)
ムウのミルグラムでの役割は、「一見被害者に見える加害者(逆に2審では加害者要素が限りなく強いものの、1審での被害者だったことも嘘では無いと思われる)」「自分は悪くないと心から思っている」というものだと思います。
だから3審では「どうして私が責められてるんだろう」という空気で来るんじゃないかなと思います。この曲の歌詞で「あたしがいけない子だったらどうしよ」とあるので、もしかしたら反省ターンの可能性もありますね
第三審は第一の二の舞にはならない。
許す観点を変えてくることはボイスドラマで公開されてる。
@@無名-m3c3i なるほどです。教えてくださってありがとうございます……！
@@ずっくー
AmazonMusic(サブスク)ではボイスドラマも各キャラの公開されてますよ
「私はいつも可哀想なの」と「私の勝ち」と「悪くないもん」っていう自分を正当化してる言葉が歌詞にいっぱいあって「あなたが赦したいと願うんだもん ホッとしちゃった」ってなってさらに自分を正当化してるのに最後の「待って待って仮の話」とか「私がいけない子だったらどうしよう」ってあるの 『この曲ではこんなふうに言ってるけど私も私のこと悪いと思ってるよ？ね？反省してるから赦して？』って訴えてるのを感じる 「痛みの後は探さないでね」も「アフターペインの曲の秘密を探らないで」って本当のことバレるの嫌がってる感じするし
天才ですか…？
@@jessevanhalen6967 this is milgram not Naruto
「私の勝ち」という立場も変わらないし、「私の価値」も変わらないし、生まれつきの才能なのね
にっしてもクソかわいいな
1:18
2:16 の｢かわいそう｣を｢かあいそう｣って言ってんのたまらなく好き
取り巻きたちはみんな小さい羽が生えてるのに、ムウはなにも生えてないのが
「甘やかされて育って容姿は綺麗になったけど、自分一人じゃ何もできない」というのを表してるみたいで好き…
レイちゃんを殺した後、「自分一人でも行動に移せる！私はなんでもできる！」って思い上がって飛んでいくのもなんだか解釈一致。
取り巻きたちみたいに外に出て自立する経験がないから敵を避ける術も知らずすぐ捕食されそう。
その結果隠蔽しきれずにミルグラムに来たんだろうけど
Anata wa smarturu desu
From what I've noticed, Mu has some sort of control complex.
In her BugMuu form, she's the tallest in her group, however irl, she actually is the shortest which makes me curious about how much control Muu had over these 'friends' of hers.
Her friends are basically feeding her honey, sort of like status or belonging.
It is possible that the Bug scenes could be in Rei's perspective, her directly misinterpreting Muu as the leader from her social status.
I believe Muu might've also THOUGHT she was the "leader" because her friends were using her, so she was always giving away stuff like lipstick and whatnot.
One other thing I've noticed at 1:37, Mu doesn't take initiative, holding her hands behind her back while her friends are really upfront. She also doesn't speak until the friend to her right prompts her to.
The person with their head down MIGHT also be one of Mu's friends and they are portrayed this way to trick us (?), and this scene is simply portraying them gossiping and spreading rumors, however I also find this slightly unlikely. It's more likely they were engaged in person to person non-physical* bullying.
Going back to After Pain, I also wish to point something out about the murder itself.
When heading outdoors, it is shown to us that Rei changed into her outdoor shoes. Muu didn't have time.
This shoe factor is important, heading back here to INMF ー
1:46
We see that her shoe has fallen off. Why is this shoe so important that they panned FROM it to the murder? And how did it end up behind her? This shoe is also on the desk in After Pain I believe.
Conclusion? The murder was an accident.
Since Muu was wearing the indoor shoes, it caused her to trip.
She had the knife because she was thinking of "ending" herself.
"Counterattack is a suicide note."
The Muu in the cocoon hatches after the murder and the honey she's accumulated from her friends flows out.
Keep in mind this is just a theory I had.
Additional notes;
Rei might've been her close friend before and they also share a liking of fish (lol). And the whole thing with Muu saying 「"あなた"が好きよ」(I love YOU) while running up to Rei.
So to Muu, Rei's "misinterpretation" was probably a betrayal to her.
At 1:26 when Rei shows up, she says "If you want to betray from jealousy" ー Rei probably stood up for the victims, that or she called them out directly and as a result her friends started to bully Rei "I've told you what's gonna happen". (Placing the flowers on her desk, throwing her stuffs everywhere)
Which caused Rei to flip that hourglass and cause the events in After Pain.
I’m pretty sure Muu didn’t actually have any control over the friend group, she probably got taken into the group rather than her making the group itself. I’m guessing this mostly because of her copying Sayu’s pose on the rooftop and wearing a pink sweater
Wow really interesting 😍 didn't notice the shoe up until now.
THIS IS SUCH A GOOD IDEA
Hey so I love this comment and I think you've noticed a couple things that I think are definitely important but I do want to adress one thing that bothers me about this reading.
The shoe falling off could very well be an implication that Muu tripped - I really wouldn't know how else it would have fallen off, maybe a struggle? - but looking at the part of AP where the stab happens, you can see that Muu is seemingly throwing her entire weight into the stab (which could be congruent with tripping), but she's also holding the knife with both hands and stabs her right in the chest.
Putting aside that stabbing someone right through what appears to be her heart is really hard to do on accident, if we assume that Muu tripped - and so didn't have time to change her grip on the knife - that would mean that she was running *at* Rei holding a knife with *both* hands and pointing it *towards* her. There's really no other way that both Muu tripping in INMF and the moment of the stabbing in AP line up, but that does signify that Muu had very clear malicious intent - be it to stab Rei or threaten her at knifepoint. If she was threatening to end herself, there's no reason the knife would be (actively) pointed at Rei instead of herself.
Not that I have a valid alternative, but I just wanted to point it out.
@@mizoomy if you look closely, she stabbed her in the stomach, not her heart (would be too low)
正直ミルグラムの中で1番ムウの声優さんの歌い方が引き込まれる...
キャラのイメージ通りの歌い方してくれる。最高
すげー女だなってドン引きする自分と曲調と歌い方と声が好きすぎてずっとリピートしてしまう自分がいる……いやすごい生理的に受け付けない性格してるのに抗えない魅力がある…
サビの「だぁ〜って だって、わるくないもん♡」の言い方サイコーに腹立って好き
第1審を完全にひっくり返したような歌だな
声が好きすぎるんだよなぁ…
f
hey
shes going to get the
highest guilty rate even higher than mikoto 😭
girl pissed off the entire community and made them crush her up like an ant 😭
Yes, sorry to say, she deserve it. But a really good banger this time!
She's an insect after all 😂
@@Raarelyx yep
@@Raarelyx wanna see THIS energy with fuuta then
@@whizkeysh0t Difference is Fuuta actually shows guilt and remorse after realising what he's done. Muu just thinks she's in the right because she believes she can do no wrong.
ここまで分かりやすく悪役ムーブされるとまだ見えてない情報に何かありそうで怖い
民意的に赦されなさそうだけど第二審まで赦されて「ちょろ～♪」ってなってるムウちゃんに第三審で赦さないを突き付けてあげたい……
その時の絶望顔ったら…考えるだけでニヤニヤするしざまぁとなる
許さなかったら許さなかったで『可哀想な私』ができてしまうんだよな…
I'am sure Haruka will go crazy after this season
Eh,why?
@@Haru3 Bro said that he was going to kill es or himself if mu get voted off guilty and he already got vote off guilty himself.
@@49-51_kimdokja i think theyll leave the main character deaths till after the third season
He probably wont be able to harm himself due to being restrained, but he will go insane (mentally)
@@ahuman5868 yeah, and after this season its the third season so haruka defitnly now has a chance of dying????
Hey MILGRAM, just wanted to say thank you for making such incredibly content. My brother was absolutely in love with your songs and the stories behind them. He passed away two months ago. Wish he could've seen where this all goes.
thank you all for ur sweet comments. the support means a lot.
My deepest condolences.
Rest in peace🫶
Rest in peace, hope he gets to see the story unflod whever the afterlife takes him
im sorry for your loss
I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm hoping he is happy on the other side and will be always near you and your family
a reminder before this drops that metavoting in Milgram has never, EVER worked for us. voting Muu forgiven for the sake of Haruka will not go as planned. Amane was metavoted to teach her a lesson, and instead became even more insular in her beliefs. Kotoko was metavoted so she would align herself with Es, and instead directly went against Es' wishes, using her additional power to further her own agenda. metavoting in Milgram is NEVER as simple as 'if you vote this way, X will happen'. you're free to vote as you choose, but i see no reason to believe that things are as clear cut as Haruka being safe if Muu is forgiven and dead if Muu is unforgiven.
Was kotoko metavoted? was not there during her thing so I have no idea but my impression was that people that she was just because she was going after people who deserve it which sounds like futa case but I have not watch her mv in a while so i could be forgetting.
Kotoko was the last prisoner, so I don't think everyone in the English-speaking community had seen her VD or Q&A (and there was less translation at the time)
She saved a child from abuse on the spot, which makes her case self-defence, so it was hard to completely blame her even if her way of thinking was worrying.
And many people think that she herself has experienced abuse and is doing what she is doing to get past her discomfort, which must have influenced the votes too
But otherwise I validate, too much metavoting kills metavoting (and the prisoners)
@@nocturne_interludeメタ投票ですよ～みなさんエスとコトコがどんな関係になったか気になるから
Amane had to be voted guilty, If we voted her innocent it will affirm her beliefs even more and shidou will be in danger
@@azaclex7765 No, not obviously
Voting Amane guilty may also push her over the edge and put Shidou in danger if not forgiving her makes her mental state worsen again
Forgiving her could bring her back to a calmer state and prevent things from going wrong (since Amane grew up in a place where people were violent with her when she "made a mistake" until she apologised, this could work and calm her down immediately)
I think only her MV and VD will be able to fully answer the question
1:54
右目は過去を表す。色はピンクで、これは｢護られる側でありたい｣、｢愛されたい｣とかの意味がある。過去のムウは取り巻きを作ってちやほやされて、それで承認欲求を満たしてた。
左目は未来を表す。色は紫で、これは｢女性らしさ｣の意味以外にも｢人と同じは嫌｣とか｢妄想癖｣とかの意味もある。あと｢カリスマ性｣。カリスマ性と女性らしさはハルカと共依存になってる点。第1審の捻じ曲げられまくった妄想たっぷりMV。
最後に十字架。これは苦難または死と地獄に対する勝利を表す。やってやったって思ってるんだろうな。
紫には｢深い悲しみ｣って意味もあるんだけど、第1審の｢あなたが好きよ｣だったり、今回もやっぱり外ハネちゃんだけ顔がくっきりだったりするのはムウにとってそれほど特別だから？ 悲しみの色が左目にあるなら、罪悪感は多少あるのかな。
2:29
やっぱ、ほら、私の勝ちっていう歌い方がもう凄い
ムウの強がりなのか、勝ち気な気質がここでもよく現れてる。
香里ネキの表現力すごいわ
どうなるかわかってるよね？
どうなるかわかってたでしょ？
が狂おしいほど好きだし、
そんなつもりなかったと言いつつ残骸を踏むムウちゃんが大好きです…
あと砂時計を逆さにしてる手、袖の色的に外ハネちゃんだね…。つまりムウが外ハネちゃんにやってきたことを仕返ししたって意味？
蜜って言ってるのに芋虫みたいに見えるの意外と肉食な感じがして可愛こぶってるみたいでめっちゃ好き
自分を蜜蜂と思ってるスズメバチって感じがしてやばい
She prob portray as a wasp or something else who'd infiltrated another nest/group.
歌い方がとてもすき…余裕綽々に綺麗に歌い上げる1番と2番の「まって仮の話私がいけない子だったらどうしよう」らへんの追い詰められた悲鳴のような歌声のギャップがたまらない
思ってた10倍くらい調子乗ってて驚いた、もはや悪い女すぎて逆に好き（赦すかは別の話）
サビ前のデデデン！みたいな伴奏と歌い方と台詞と曲全部がどストライクなので無限にループしてしまう
When she said “I’m doing this just because of being bored” and then “We are just the same” while smiling and looking at us .. i got chills 👏
That implies we are the same as her, having control of the prisoner’s fate, watching and judging from afar bc it’s entertaining
Milgram really calling us out on hypocrisy 👏
AS SHE SHOULD
It’s different tho
Mu’s victims were most likely completely innocent people that she just felt like ruining their lives.
Everyone in MILGRAM has taken someone’s life, it’s a bit different to play around like this with killers than it is with innocent people.
@@poporipopes4876 I think the point is, we have control of their outcome, judging them with our moral high-ground and playing with their fate, for our own entertainment and without consequences on our end.
@@JoezetteCecile I think Yuno or Futa also called us out for it
@@JoezetteCecile and I perfectly get that.
Still tho, there’s already a better example of someone calling us out on out hypocrisy is Futa, since he had been in our exact position in judging and punishing “bad people”.
Mu’s doesn’t quite hit as hard because the people she hurt were most likely innocent and hadn’t done anything wrong at all.
Of course, one could argue that we as the viewers are also all doing this out of boredom and to have some fun, the meta votes of the first trial and proof of that, but pas oppose to Mu who was hurting real people (in her world at least) we’re only judgin fictional characters.
第1審で「なんで赦すの〜！？」って思ってたけど、赦されたからこそこの曲が出たと思うとまあ良かったと思えてきた😉
ムウちゃんは間違いなく赦さないになるだろうな
こっからボイドラネタバレ注意
ムウちゃんの変わり具合がやばいね
一審で赦されてもう悪くないでしょ？ってところはハルカくんに似てるって感じ類は友を呼ぶって言葉がよく似合うね
あと一審の砂時計は「時間」を操作しているのの象徴だったけど二審の砂時計は「復讐」の意味もありそう
ボイドラでやられたからやり返した的なこと言ってたし砂時計もひっくり返せば砂が反対側に落ちて砂をイジメとするならムウちゃんにかかったのも逆さにすればムウちゃんが加害者になれるし何回でも繰り返せるし…
1:58 の赤い結晶が上に上がってるのも2:27 で砂時計の砂が赤いから多分イジメを表すんだろうな
しかも一審で赦されて有頂天になってるのかそのあとは飛び立って行ってるし…
あと蜂って毒針持ってんのメスだけだから(産卵管が変化したものが毒針)女子特有の集団攻撃(イジメ)を上手く表現してて凄いな
語彙力皆無&長くてごめん
1:28 一審の時から思ってたけど外ハネちゃんのビジュ好きだな…。
今回のムウの本性が思ってた以上に醜悪だったりして驚いたけど外ハネちゃん見て全部吹っ飛んだ。表情がいい。
Wait that's her name??.... Really
Where'd you get this that info from, sauce please♪
@@tyreesjameswilliams35
"外ハネ,"is not a name, it's a hairstyle.
We do not know her name，
We have taken the liberty of giving it name…
（Sorry if my English is wrong…）
@@masandorosno worries it was good, thanks for the clarification ^^
「Ray」、それが彼女の名前です。（ニホンゴごめんなさい）
1:54 叫んでる声とその狂った顔可愛い…
ここでムウを赦さなかったらハルカとムウで余計に傷舐めあって共依存加速しそうなので一周まわって赦したい
赦しても赦さなくても“かわいそうな私”が出来上がってしまうの嫌すぎる…
やっぱり一審で赦されたのが大きく出てますよね…。
一審の時に隠していたものが暴かれていれば…😭
ハーフで美人なムウちゃんを、敢えて人間ではなく女王蜂で描くのは
｢悪くないもん｣と自分の正しさを主張する醜さを表現するにはあまりにも十分すぎるな…と感じました。これは赦されないだろうな
うわめっちゃ鳥肌立ったんやけど第1審でムウが閉じ込められてる砂時計って入ってきてるの蜜やん...
あの密と同じものっぽいのがムウちゃんがいじめられてた時にぶっかけられてたし、いじめられてるって状況もムウちゃんにとっては蜜を与えられてたのと同じだったのかしら……助けてあげたくなる可哀想な子になれるから…
ムウちゃんの世界の中で、外ハネちゃんが初めて会ったイレギュラーだったんだろうな。
「私は可哀想」「悪くないもん」が毎回印象違うし、無邪気と悪辣な一面の両立を幼さで表現してて恐怖を感じる……ボーカルの表現力たるや……
香里有佐さんの歌い方がほんと好き
ここでみんな一審の時のMVも見返してきてほしい
一審の最後のムウちゃんが黒板の前に立っているシーン、とある机に花瓶が置いてある
当時はムウちゃんがいじめられていることを指しているのかと思ったがある一つの疑問が当時生まれた
黒板のシーンで花瓶が置いてある机はおそらくムウの机ではなかったのではないか？
なぜなら、その前にある夕陽が差し込んだ教室でムウが机に寝ているシーンがあるが、ここでムウが寝ている(座っている)机は花瓶が置かれた机ではないと考えられるからです(夕陽が机に当たっていない＝席が違う)
そして最後の黒板のシーンではムウは花瓶に入っている白いお花を手に持っています
自分が当時考えた考察は、「ムウがいじめられていたが、標的を別の子にするためムウ自らの手で花瓶を机に置いた」
でも、今回のMVを見るにムウが“故意的に”花瓶を置いたと考えられる
この第二審の2:28から花瓶を置いた席が第一審でムウに刺された子の席と確定
また、やっぱりムウは女王のような立場で気に入らない子にヘイトを向けさせ潰していくことを故意的にしていたのだと思う
第一審のことも考えると「あのね、私あの子に…」と”被害者面“して周りの同情をかい、特定の一人にヘイトを向けさせたことも考えられる
まだ浅い考察かもしれないけど、今回はムウちゃん赦さないでおきたいかな
前回赦された結果調子乗ったってのもあるし
周りの子達を陥れて（言い方悪...）利用してるムウちゃん最高に🐝QUEENですきすぎるありがとうミルグラム💛
1:51 人外好きにぶっ刺さった
ミルグラム触れたことなかったけど一審から観たら手のひらの返し方めちゃくちゃ面白かったのと映像の女王蜂デザインがあまりに良すぎてすごい興味出た
DECO*27さんこの手のタイプの曲作るの上手すぎる
物事を見る方向を変えたらこんなにも印象が違うの最悪で最高
絶対に赦されないでほしい
あんだけ依存されてるハルカくんの影すら出てこないのおもろいな
やっぱりムウからしたらハルカくんは利用者であり興味すら余り無いからな ボイドラでもハルカくんが自◯するとか言っても｢好きにさしてあげるのが友情でしょ？｣とか言ってたし…
あれが友情だとは思えないし言えないんですけどね…
全知全脳ではムウに寄せた歌詞がちょこっとだけあったのに
悪くないもんにはハルカくんに寄せた歌詞など全く見当たらない……
ホントに思いやりの欠片もないんだな…
全知全脳「大きく羽ばたく遥かな夢(ムウちゃんの名前は漢字表記で夢羽)」
悪くないもん「出てこない」
うーんこの
声優さんがほんとにすごい…
歌い方にムウの心情が表れすぎて大好きです…
ボイスドラマ見たけどまじでなんかフェロモン出てそうなくらい周りを自分に有利な状況に変えるの上手いな
2審でこれということは、3審でどんなどんでん返しがあるのか想像がつかない。
My two cents (theres an edit at the end for a new thing i noticed)
- The visual of her inside an hourglass that used to represent this stifling pressure, of time running out, in her "After Pain" MV now seems more like her desperate because everything is out of her control now.
- Considering that MVs are a reflection of the character's psyche or whatever, T1's affirmation really made her so comfortable and happy that she doesnt even have anything to hide from us. Even the things we would consider is disgusting (like her attitude, and her bullying), she gloats that theres no mistakes and we agree with her.
- The scene 1:53 feels like a panic induced euphoria that she's finally regained some sort of control over the situation. Whether its control because of her Queen Bee attitude and she obviously blames this person for how the tides turned on her in her little castle of power, or if its truly because she finally can "fight back" because of her perceived victimhood is up for debate.
Im more inclined to the former.
Edit:
Something I thought was interesting, because I know the vase on the desk (usually a sign that someone has died) will be a point of discussion.
There are cases where it's not literal that someone has already died, but rather its a form of bullying. Putting that vase on the targets desk is a way of saying "just pass away already" or will signal the rest of class to start ignoring you. Id like to think that Mu's target of bullying was still alive at the time during the end of this 2nd MV. And if I remember correctly Mu was holding the flower of the vase at the end of After Pain. Possibly implying she put it there herself, instead of what I believe everyone thought to be her recieving the flower in a "symbolic way".
Leading me to believe that her telling us not to look closely at After Pain, could also be literal. There are a lot of scenes which can now be taken different from our first impressions, now with this new MV's given context to Mu's Psyche about her place in the social ladder.
Interestingly, she’s super defensive in her audio drama and tells Es she’s never bullied anyone. Kinda opposite the video which lays her actions bare
@@Nomarura that's super interesting! I dont get to listen to the voice dramas often, so I appreciate you sharing that fact
@@Nomarura keep in mind that, her perception of bully might be different. Sure she bullied, but never physically.. She mostly starts the bully but the deed is done by the three bullies.
@@roobilyne603 this, but the reason why she got bullied in after pain was because of PHG who thought she was the main person doing the bullying.
You're right about a vase with flowers part. One of the messages on the blackboard near the end is "いつもたのしませてくれてありがとう！お花プレゼントしておいたよ" -> "Thanks for the all the fun time together! I(we)'ve left flowers as a present for you" which seems weird to be placed there among other hate messages. Most likely that's being ironic in a "just pass away already" way.
Also I feel like the context of how the hierarchy got reversed from her being a bully to being bullied wasn't expanded enough (or maybe I'm just missing some details). What we know for sure is that the girl who she ended up killing found out about the bullying and most likely played some big part in bringing it up to light. Maybe that part (and Mu's relationship with her) is what's important and will be explained later.
どう見ても第1審合わせると最悪の女なんだけどミルグラムくんがこんな露悪的にするか……？というメタ読みしてしまう、果たして俺たちの判断は本当に誰にも操作されてないと言えるのか？？上手く手のひらで踊らされた気がする
やっぱり前のMVは自分のいいように作り変えられてたのがわかったと同時に前のMVで考察されてたMVの時系列が逆って説も濃厚になったなあ
私の勝ち✌️って言ってるのに、有象無象の虫ちゃんたちと違って外ハネちゃんのことは完全に覚えてるの、外ハネちゃんの勝利って感じがするよ
なので私は赦します 彼女の中で赦されなかった記憶が外ハネちゃんからエスに移行するのがすげぇ嫌なので(オタクくん！？)
まあ許してもっと調子のるのみたいw
@@美しい絶望 bbbbbbhb
外ハネちゃんあなたレイって言うのね！？！？(公式の尋問カード見て！)
両親の財力と容姿の良さでちやほやされてただけなのを自分の生まれつきの"才能"だと思い込んでるの最高に傲慢でかわいい
サムネ(見た目)は可哀想な女の子を演出してるのに、曲(中身)は調子に乗ったムウちゃんの本心が溢れててとにかくめっちゃ好き！！！
ガッツリ本性がわかってしまうMVなんだよな...すまんムウちゃん、これは赦せないわ...。
mfs who try to see “both sides” of an argument after a slight inconvenience:
That’s genuinely the funniest comment I found so far
｢可哀想だから｣の歌い方可愛いすこ
深読みだけど、他よりも曲の尺が短いのは自分の罪について話したくないっていう気持ちの表れかな(語彙力)
1:53 ここの声良すぎる、、
2:07ここで一旦かわいこぶるの好き
なんの根拠もないけどmvが「赦さない方に持っていこうとしてる」感があって怖い
私達が見定めるのはほんとに囚人たちだけなんだろうか
今更なコメントだけど、元々の設定が「囚人たちの心象風景(言っちゃえば頭の中)を歌として抽出する」だから、“MVの制作者さん”っていう存在は考えなくていいんだと思うよ
Video premieres in 5 days… I noticed a lot of people excited to vote Mu guilty- remember that the trial this time around seems to want us to vote in the opposite way that we did last time, and to keep all the details before voting. I’m scared we’ll fall into impulse votes. And I’m so excited for this song! Mu’s songs always slap and the little bit we heard from the teaser has been living in my head ever since.
Edit: Well…. Mu… This one seems a little…. Guilty looking… I’ve never seen a MILGRAM look so incriminating.
Haha, i was thinking the same 😅
Um… the first second trial video though
@@thanatosdriver1938 They really did tell us to doubt our sins so I'm certain this trial wouldn't end so well (But there's no other choice so LETS GOOOOOO)
this aged poorly
This is so funny
最後の外ハネちゃんはムウを赦したこちら側へのメッセージでは
ムウが赦された→外ハネはムウを赦さない。だから終わってしまった砂時計(一審)を(ひっくり返そうと)掴む(反抗。椅子を掴む)→今回でムウを赦さないにして審議を初めからに戻す
さらに想像。
ムウは友人(3人)をコントロール(QueenB ムウの友情観)して鼻についた子を排除している。→外ハネ、うわぁ…→3人がムウに愛想をつかす(アフターペインのメッセージ画面などから察するに)、または外ハネがムウ達を咎める行為をした？？ ので3人は翻りムウを排除→ごめんなさい💦届かないの？でもムウは悪くないのに！→自業自得……と外ハネ→ムウは可哀想なの！！砂時計(時系列・ムウの居場所)が壊れる。(アフターペインで階段に砂時計が横に倒れてるのはそのうち転がって壊れる、ムウが外ハネちゃんを…を示唆？) 外ハネに向けられた黒板は、実際にあったことではなく、ムウのお気持ちでは(裕福なムウからしたら貧乏くさい)
ムウの心をうつすので、外ハネがこちら側に……というのは突飛すぎるかもしれない。
やっぱほら、私の勝ち→あなたの負け という描写に見える。
ただ、"そうやって思い通り"に、外ハネの反抗の描写を合わせるのは、"思い通りにはさせない""赦さない"という意志に思える。
傾向としては予想通りだけど思いの外エグくてビビる。ぎるてぃ。
曲調は二審のなかで一番しゅきです！
マジで本当に隠す気もなくいじめやってるなムウちゃん…一審のあの誤魔化しMVはなんだったんだ？ってレベル
完全にミステイクにハマっちまった、完敗だよムウちゃん可愛いね
うんうん悪くないね可哀想だね
絶対赦さないけどね
今｢赦さない｣が圧倒的に勝ってるけど、このまま行くとムウちゃんの｢私はいつも可哀想なの｣を加速させそうだから、二審まで赦して最後に堕としたいと思っちゃうな
@Ruta
I completely agree, I really think we should make this innocent, and I will try my absolute hardest to make it happen.
And here's my take on this.
Please innocent this verdict, Mu is in a very fragile state right now, and that she's realizing her mistake on her own time, and with the guy she's with guiltied, she may feel the need to help him and care for him, fostering a codependency that will help them both to realize their mistakes and to grow as people.
同意したいところだけど罪を赦すか赦さないかの話だから正直に報告してる人を責められない
@@Kamenrider40ミルグラムにおける赦す赦さないは罪の有罪無罪じゃなくて思想の肯定否定だから、ムウを赦したら「そうだね！ムウちゃんかわいそう！ムウちゃんは悪くないよ！」ってことで赦さないだと「ムウちゃんは悪い子だ。ムウちゃんは我儘で自分勝手だ。なんでも思い通りになると思うなよ」ってことだと思うのでまぁどっちにしろ赦さなくていいと思うんですけど、赦しちゃうとまだ残っている罪の意識が完全になくなって第三審で否定してもムウの思想は振り出しに戻るだけのような気もします。
第ニ審の赦さないことで与えられる罰が何かわからないのでまだどうとも言えんけどね。もしかしたら第三審が本命で、一審二審三審の曲を元に真に罪を許すか許さないかを決めるのかもしれない。
@@Kagu7115-asterisk- 着地点が分からねぇ...つまり...どういうことだってばよ...？
@@Kamenrider40 今のところは見る人それぞれの思いで投票してもいいけど、最終的にはみんなが一つの意思従って投票することになるかもしれない。ミルグラム制作が私たち看守をそうコントロールして制作のシナリオ通りに投票させられるかもしれない。
まぁつまりは、ミルグラムは最高ってことだ。
まったく別の話だけど、第二審が始まるまでの間に起こったことが、なにもかも都合が良すぎると思うんだよね。で、その都合の良い展開は私たち看守の投票の結果がそれを招いた。ということはミルグラム制作は曲に寄せられる投票すら予想できているのではと思ってしまう。というか、そう投票されるように無意識で操作されてる。シドウとカズイが赦されたからフータとマヒルが助かったってのは、つまりシドウとカズイが赦されるような曲を作って、案の定赦されたことで2人は死なずに済んだ。これが制作側のシナリオ通りなら曲で人の思考を操作してるってことになる。
ミルグラムの「実験」ってのは音楽による人間の思考の誘導、操作なのかもって考えてる。ミルグラム怖い。
ムウ最高すぎる。このかわいい子を赦し続けたい。そうしたら最後は自分の善性（というかムウが今当然抱いている「罪がある（だからこそ赦されたい、悪くないと皆に望んでほしい）」という最初の気持ち）に潰されるのか、それとも本当に本物の「悪くなかったね」になるのか見たい。これからも私達に一番かわいいところを見せてくれ。
個人的には女王が弱い奴隷の男に全部ひっくり返される古い悲喜劇的な感じも期待していますが
赦すのは無理だけど、それはそれとしてかわいすぎる……すきだ……
ムウのたくさんの人が魅了されるハーフの姿を第2審で好みが別れるであろう異形に変わったのほんとによすぎるな。
Aight, took some time to gather what I can gather:
⧗ ⧖ Chronologically, the story starts in this MV rather than After Pain;
⧖ ● Muu is likely a "queen" of the class hierarchy with close 'friends' that stick to her and benefit off of each other (Her definition of friendship in the Voice Drama).
○ ⧗ Her influence is strong enough that she can persuade her friends to bully someone while her hands remain "clean" (In the voice drama, she claimed to have never 'bullied' someone physically herself.)
○ ⧗ She, in particular, has three close friends that do her bidding (1:54 of After Pain) and are represented by the other three bees in this MV in both (0:32) and (1:30).
⧖ ● Now in (0:32), we see Muu flicking off a fourth figure, this would be the other girl in (1:36) that they picked on. The scene in (0:32) should imply that the girl challenged or disrupted Muu's 'authority' and was thus subject to becoming a pariah and bullied.
○ ⧗ In comes the Victim! She witnesses said bullying during (1:26) and the whole rooftop scene is likely her perspective of the events. In (1:43), it's Muu and the others seeing the victim witnessing their doing.
⧖ ⧗ ⧖ ⧗ *After Pain* ⧖ ⧗ ⧖ ⧗
⧗ ○ Now in comes the whole plot of After Pain after that scene. In summary, the 'friends' turned their backs on Muu as she probably becomes the new school pariah instead of the queen, effectively inverting her whole school image and authority, now she's the victim of bullying by the three who used to be her lackeys.
● ⧖ This sends Muu into a state of stress and confusion, and the climax starts before the last chorus of After Pain (2:06). Muu notices the victim's presence and realizes that she can still turn the situation around through the one who inverted her authority.
⧗ ● (2:30) clearly whether Muu apologized or bargained, it doesn't work for her. Now all the stress and negative emotions explode as represented by the falling hourglass in After Pain, leading up to a final impulsive decision of ending the life of the one who caused her to lose her power.
⧗ ⧖ ⧗ ⧖ *It’s Not My Fault* ⧗ ⧖ ⧗ ⧖
⧖ ● Now I don't believe the scene in (1:54) to be proof of Muu's character, in extension to the whole murder itself. I still believe that it was a momentary lapse in reasoning and that it wasn't planned by her. a fellow commenter @capririusart mentioned that it was panic-induced euphoria and I can completely get behind the idea, search for their comment if you want more details.
○ ⧗ Speaking of @capririusart, they did cover most of the things I mentioned and what I'm going to mention so please do find their comment as it also delves into some symbolism found in the MV.
⧖ ● Now something obvious to point about in the scene at (2:30) until the end is the mirror to After Pain. This likely shows the background of the victim and their motivation to challenge Muu's authority when she got the chance during the rooftop scene. She herself was a victim of bullying and it fuelled her desire for revenge against Muu.
○ ⧗ It was kinda fitting as revenge is now the whole theme of Muu's scenario; the victim got her revenge on Muu through After Pain and Muu continued the cycle by getting revenge on her through murder. An action brought forth revenge, which returned as another form of revenge.
What's your insight on this twisted scenario that Muu created?
I think...this is absolutely it. This makes PERFECT sense!!!! I'm taking this as canon until proven otherwise!
my insight is that the girls each had a gift for mu in 0:32 their queen. each brings a larval grub for her to feast on.
this is analogous to the gift-giving she participated in. After Pain text messages talk about her gifting a tube of lipstick (taken from her mom iirc) to the other girls.
Rich girls giving each other expensive gifts to show off..
And well, when you come up short, you're the broke bitch to target next. It's an All Girls Private School, and to my understanding this sort of behavior isnt unheard of.
The video starts out with nearly several or nearly a dozen bees right? By the end she and her besties are dancing on the shattered remains of the other girls' self-esteem and social standing.
I dont think it's something as grand as challenging her authority. It's just 'survival of the fittest' in a social arena. Bonding over torturing the next and freshest easy target.
Mu knew this well enough that when she does kill, she's relieved knowing it'll take the attention off of her due to "did you hear about the tragedy that happened?" "it's horrible" (the gossiping shown at the end of After Pain, and the whiteboard gossip at the start and end of it. the end of After Pain implies people may have suspected Mu, but they still focused on the death with more priority)
I think it might even go a step further - I think Muu *intentionally* took the ire/focus off the victim in order to "save" her, like the victim saved the bullied girl. I think the victim was bullied in between the first girl and Muu, and that's why the cry of "I love YOU" is so important...
Mu's situation in milgram is more nuanced than the black and white that her MVs seems to portray, and I think that gives an interesting look into the way Mu views things. Her last MV showed her entirely as the victim, while this new one shoves the idea of her being evil down your throat, but I think they are both truthful.
This MV doesn't disprove Mu was bullied, I still believe that the events shown previously, her getting bullied and "betrayed" are accurate. To be brief, this MV (albeit vaguely) confirms her trauma went along the lines of:
Her and her friends(?) bullied others-> friends(?) cast her out-> Mu becomes bullying victim-> a peer who witnessed her as a bully ignores her-> she lashes out.
In MV 1, we saw the side of Mu that she becomes when she feels unsure and alone, completely self victimizing and scared that her life will only continue to worsen. I wouldn't say her feelings here are invalid, I'll go more into this later.
In MV 2, we see a Mu similar to how she was when she was a bully, a Mu who feels supported now that others have validated her. A reason this 180 happened could be that she was in her victimizing mindset so long, the second she got validated she flipped back to BugMu cause it was the last time she felt secure.
The reason these MVs seem opposite of each other is because of how black and white Mu must see her situation.
MV1: "No one is on my side, I must be worthless and wrong"
MV2: "Look at all these supporters! This must mean I've done nothing wrong!"
I think this behavior could be co-depenence. In order to feel ok, Mu must have people on her side. This is shown not only in her MVs but how quickly she became attached to Haruka. However when she feels that dependence, she feels the need to put others below her to prevent herself being at the bottom. Almost like a cycle.
Its very, very difficult to vote Mu innocent here, but guilty as well. This MV portrays her as so evil it suspicious. Mu needs to see the nuance of her situation in order to become a better version of herself, but I'm not sure how that would happen with a vote. Maybe if the vote were to be near 50/50 that could change her perspective. She's still a kid so I think she is forgivable, but man its hard to vote innocent no matter how good the song is.
This essay was me theorizing my own take on things, no need to take it to heart and im nervous/excited for her next MV!
I really don't think voting is meant to change their perspectives. It's only to get more information about their crime. Es mentioned something like this in haruka's vd.
This is a really interesting summary and analysis! Previously, her votes were previously very close to 50/50 in the first season. After s1 ended & everyone got new character sprites for s2 and some new voice lines on Milgram page. Mu acknowledged we might've been a bit "lost" about what decision to make, but she continued to say that it doesn't matter b/c she's done nothing wrong (maybe she could say that b/c she ended up being voted not guilty lol). Amane was a similar situation & she continues to be adamant that she wasn't wrong & that we made the wrong choice. So I wonder if after the confidence boost of s1 results, Mu would reconsider anything if the vote was near 50/50 again. I fear it might be similar to Amane where she just claims we made a mistake (maybe even "don't doubt your sense the first time! i'm not wrong!") Voting her not guilty again would just boost her ego, but strongly voting her guilty seems like doing what this MV intends for us to do so it feels a bit like a trap lol. Still not sure what voting strategy we should take and what actual consequences there are. If Kotoko was voted guilty last round, would anyone have been at risk of anything tho? ;v; I wonder if our current goal is just to make sure everyone realizes the error of their ways without punishing them with death...o(-< Sorry for rambling & not contributing much
@@teadrop_ I think voting her guilty wouldn't make her think we voted wrong. Her entire confidence boost originated from the innocent vote. Her being voted guilty would have to do "something" with how much importance she seems to put into it. I don't know if that "something" would be good or bad. But I highly doubt she would just casually shrug off the vote.
I think guilty with a 60/40 would make her self doubt while not going into the trap that they've obviously set. Or perhaps we're overthinking and they made the answer obvious on purpose.
Yeah uh... I think I'm just gonna not vote with at the very least, MU, because I feel this situation is more complicated with the haruka route. I also feel like there really isn't a good route with her, vote guilty, just bring her back to stage 1, vote innocent, make the problem worse. I'm not sure voting now is gonna help, and I'm honestly unsure how to handle this, and I was coming into this MV expecting to vote her guilty
ミルグラムにはこの頃ハマったんですが、第一審でムウを許してくれた人たちありがとう
0:34 ここ気持ち良すぎてリピ不可避
ミルグラム最近初めてみたけどムウちゃんが一番すきかもしれん
やっぱほら、私の勝ちを I told you I'm queenって訳するのとかセンスの塊すぎる…日本語と英語でニュアンスが変わるの面白いな…自分がもっと英語出来ればと強く思った。
間違いですよー
やっぱほら、私の勝ちとかI told you I'm queenは全然違う
海外ファンの私たちは公式翻訳を無視する笑
@@jellystualy
あえて全然違うものにしてあるだけですよ
全然違うことを分かったうえでこの英訳にしているということは、英語訳の意図を隠したうえでの日本語歌詞なので、制作者の意図を汲み取れる公式翻訳は無視しない方が良いと思います…
@@jellystualyそうなんです! クレイティブさからの自由
｢かわいそうなの！｣の作画
動きの感じとかめっっちゃ好き……!!!
2:06 の悪くないよ？の言い方が本当はわかってるのに自分に言い聞かせてるみたいで好き
1:11で「ごめんごめん、痛かったよね？」って言いながら破片を踏み潰すところ、言葉上は「赦す」って言うけど、相手をできるだけ動揺させずに近づこうとして、裏では袋叩きにするイジメの主犯格的な一面が女王蜂のムウに出ててゾッとした…
アフターペインでも「あなたが好きよ」ってあるし、都合が悪くなるとムウちゃんは相手の事を思いやる言葉を言うんじゃないかなって思ったなぁ、そう言えば周りの子達が戻ってきた様にいじめて離れていった子達も戻るんじゃないかって考えてたりして
I'm LOVING how these characters transform so vividly based on how we vote; Milgram is something special. Story series told through songs in general are something special