The Two Natures of Christ (Intro to Christology)
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On today's program, I began a discussion on Christology based on Revere Franklin Weidner's Christology. I discussed Ebionite and Docetist heresies.
I like the way you outline early heresies against modern historical-critical as if the critics are simply reinventing the wheel.
Going over the Christology of the apostolic fathers would be great!
im a particular baptist but i’ve been considering lutheranism. your videos are very helpful
What convinced you of the Particular Baptist tradition in the first place?
Orthodox! Non-Chalcedony
@@I_am_FRANCO Orthodox IS Catholic-Ism. This pedophile death Cult has killed many many people just because they rejected their trinity heresy.
Protestants are runaway Catholics. That's why they believe the same false teachings.
Just an advice. Don't follow non of these people's teachings. Read the Scriptures with a clear mind and God will show you the truth.
@@JudeOne3Four you're right the term Catholicism even came before Orthodoxy
Thank you Pastor Doctor Jordan Cooper for all you do!
Old school heresies - one of my favourite subjects😃
Audio is a lot better, thanks pastor.
Audio is so much better! Agreed and THANK you
jeez, that forest green suit looks clean
Great content as usual, Dr Cooper. I for one would like to see a more specific discussion on the christologies of Ignatius and Justin.
Now that’s the suit of a champion theologian right there
I love the quotes around the word “scholars” when referring to the Jesus Seminar.😊 I was exposed to a lot of that when I was in grad school. It always struck me how many assumptions they had to make before getting to their conclusions. But the assumptions never seemed to be tested.
Once again thank you dr Jordan Cooper for another enlighten content
And for your Wounderful effort you put into the Christian education
God bless you brother in christ Jesus and may God shine his light and wisdom on you and your noble work
✝️✝️🙏
Hello Dr. Cooper, thank you for this video! I'm Roman Catholic but I found this video helpful.
Really enjoyed this! It would be great to hear you break down the various heretical perspectives on Christology and the Church Father’s too. Perhaps you could do both at the same time, comparing the historical contemporaries of heretic(s) and Father(s). But whatever approach you take, it would be fun to take in. Blessings.
I know it's not very related to this, but I've been talking with some Lutherans overseas and back home in the US and we've been discussing how each other views the Diaconate! It's been a very interesting discussion, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on such a thing if you ever need more video fodder!
Please do the program on the various kinds of criticism
This playlist is lit Doc, thank you!!
Thank you for this Fr. Cooper!
Enjoyed the video and looking forward to the next ones! Thanks!!
Ta! 4:31 Weidner's got a bigger beard than mine...that's priceless pastor ha!
Amazing series by the way pastor! Keep it up!
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος
Outstanding! Thank you much
Thanks for this. Always a fascinating topic.
"We have Hebrews at home" I'm dead
I would be interested in the early father's christology.
Hi Dr.Cooper. Thank you for your videos. They are always so helpful.
You have said before in other videos that in the incarnation, not only did Christ assumed a human nature, but he also assumed humanity as a whole.
Can you provide references (books, articles, ect.) on where one can find a presentation and defense of that? Is this something distinctly Lutheran, or are others having this view?
Or maybe you can do a video on it, nothing the implications of such a view, specially of the idea that Christ assumed a fallen human nature (Do you still hold this view?) possibly because he assumed all of humanity(?), etc.
ua-cam.com/video/EppuzEiEXEM/v-deo.html
It would also be good for you to do a response video on the video above: the Extra Calvinisticum from Zwingli in early orthodoxy.
please keep posting on spotify podcast.. it sounds better & louder.. your voice sound too soft in ytube, i cannot hear some parts.. thank you sir 😊🙏
Dr Cooper, any Lutheran books on Christology that you might recommend? Thanks in advance!
do you have international distribution for your books? I'm in south Africa, and there arent a lot of lutheran works available in theological bookshops - almost none, and certainly not any dogmatics by lutheran writers
Our books are shipped through Amazon, and yes they are internationally available.
Dr. Cooper, thank you for this helpful material. Just for clarification - would it be correct to say that two different beings (human Jesus and God) are one person, and that these two different beings are in a hypostatic union? Or am I missing some distinctions between "being" and "nature"?
Could u do videos going through the christology of Justin martyr and Ignatius? Btw very good video
The angel that talked to Muhammad wanted to destroy the gospel of the resurrection of Jesus Christ, because if Jesus didn't rise our faith is in vain
Great video!
Thank you!!
There is a question that we don't see much: Why is there a second person in the Trinity: Jesus?
Why do theologians tell us that we are an army of sinners and God has one man in the Trinity?
Why is the Trinity based on the masculine (God the Father/God the Son) and not the feminine?
(First God created Adam and from Adam He formed Eve. Why?).
We don't know, do we? But for the little we know, sometimes we feel like we know everything!
when is Jonathan Pageau gonna invite you to talk about Jesus on his show??? :( that would be so satisfying.. talk about systematic theology
You'd have to ask him about that.
@@DrJordanBCooper ive messaged him on insta about it. I hope of he did ask, you'd be interested.
thank you so much for making these videos. I grew up charismatic nondenominational, so I didn't get all this education growing up. and now it truly feels like you and Jon are seminary professors for me on youtube university.
I pray often for the unification of the church and even of course if you and Jon didn't agree on anything, with him being EO, it would still feel historically vindicating getting some scholarly ecumenicism going. amen?
again thanks for your content. Im gonna continue bugging JP. a video on the church fathers would be cool, or on the protestant reformation.
You guys could talk about theosis. He just put out a clip critiquing a reformed opposition to theosis on his channel.
@@lemondedusilence5895 I do love talking theosis.
I wish I that I knew you before. thank you for all the best you did. I am from Ethiopia I do not know if you gone get this. Is it the right to say Jesus is creator and also created? As we believe that He is fully human and divine.
Would a first-century jew like Jesus understand this?
I think you had a methodological problem, and is saying that to accept the distinction between the historical and the faith Jesus is a kind of docetism when it's not, because accepting biblical unhistorical narratives is not to defend the faith but just being naive. Off course there are words in the bible supposedly said by Jesus which actually weren't, moreover the purpose of them are not to be historical but to express the faith of the followers
Not accepting those historical issues makes Christian faith to be seen as a sort of beliefs lack of seriousness
By the way, I'm an atheist theologian and I give your channel very interesting. Keep it going 💪🏼
What would happen if humanity was not redeemed and was lost?
Jordan Cooper, you seem to be acquainted with the critics that Islam and Muslims address to your Christology.
Why do you think that they're wrong? I mean they have a more intuitive understanding of God with almost no room for heresy, unlike Christianity.
I would love to hear what you think about this topic, if you have the time.
There’s a divine nature hypostatically united to humanity which creates a third thing that dies on the cross?
What?
@@DrJordanBCooper 13:45 You said "we're talking about the divine nature as hypostatically united to humanity" when we talk about who died on the cross. Who possesses this particular divine nature? You said it's not "divine nature in itself," right? Firstly, I'm not sure what that would be or who claims the divine nature in itself dies. Secondly, I'm not coming as a skeptic of trinitarianism; I'm asking because what you said seems odd to me. I'm more easily persuaded by Dr. Scaer's explanation that God dies but that we're simply wrong to consider this an annihilation.
@@DrJordanBCooper At about 13:40 you say, "the divine nature can't die -- which is true by the way...but we're talking about the divine nature as hypostatically united to humanity..." Could you say more about this? I was recently more convinced, after a bit of research, by Dr. David Scaer's explanation that death is improperly defined if we are hung-up on the death of God. For Scaer, "death" is too often considered "annihilation" which he thinks is an unbiblical definition. Do you consider death annihilation?
@@dylan3456don’t tell me, you don’t understand those simple things?
You read in Romans 1:19-23 that the divine nature of god is plain to us, it could be seen and understood in his created things.
The trinity is plain. And can be understood.
You probably will burn in hell as a heretic if you question the simplicity of this plain doctrine, which is communicated in the Bible so clearly, that it took 400 years to develop it. 😂
This whole notion of "prior to the incarnation" makes little sense from a divine perspective, what with God existing outside of time and all. 🤔
The testimony of Scripture does not support the concept of him having two natures. How so? If our Lord had two natures he would have MPD (multiple personality disorder). It is really a Nestorian understanding and is not correct. He had one nature, a human one, BUT his spiritual identity was that of the Logos. He did miracles, not by his own power, but the Father doing his work in him by the Holy Spirit. He was deity in his spiritual identity, and the fact he had the Holy Spirit without measure, and the DNA of his Father. If asked why he didn't know the day and hour of his return the usual reply is that he didn't know in his human nature only. That is Nestorian!
God is not showing up abstractly it is the GLOry Man
Justin martyr
it is sad how little scripture is needed for you to explain who christ is
Original sin promulgated by Augustine of hippo is against the genesis of chapter 1 v 26. The creator daid it was good. Sadly Jesus became as one of us to redeem our image.
Unfortunately for the Pelagians, the Bible does not end in Genesis 2.
@@benmizrahi2889 Augustine of hippo was influenced by them hence his original sin through sex.
NEXT!! I'm at 2 minutes and really bored good bye.
Hello
Jesus is the Messiah
The Son of God
The Son of David
The Son of man
The man God has chosen to be his anointed king
The man God will judge the world through
The man God raised from the dead
Jesus has a God
There is no triune god in scripture
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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The Bible _does_ say Jesus is Uncreated Creator: Jn 1:3; 1 Cor 8:6; Heb 1:8
The Bible _does_ say Jesus is equal with the Father: John 5:18; Col 2:9; Jn 10:30-33
The Bible _does_ say Jesus is “My God” Jn 20:28, “God over all” Rom 9:5, “Our God and Savior” 2 Peter 1:1; 3:18, “the only-begotten God” Jn 1:18
The Bible _does_ say Jesus is “The God” Heb 1:8, “The Great God” Titus 2:13, “I AM” Jn 8:58
Bonus: Acts 7:59; Acts 20:28
Prototokos as preeminent: Ex 4:22; Jer 31:9 (LXX 38:9); Ps 89:27; 2 Sam 19:43; Heb 12:23
@@Mygoalwogel
Hello
No the Bible never says Jesus is uncreated or that Jesus is the God
Jesus has a God
Could you tell me who Jesus’s God is?
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@mitchellc4 "We believe in one God, the Father Almighty, the maker of heaven and earth, of things visible and invisible.
And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the begotten of God the Father, the Only-begotten, that is of the substance of the Father", the Nicene Creed.
It seems as if you agree with the Nicene Creed that there is one God, the Father Almighty.
@@AaronOfJerusalemAndAthens
No I do not
The Niceness creed says things like “eternally begotten”
“Begotten not made”
God from God
Etc
Jesus is the Messiah
The man through whom God has chosen to judge the world
Jesus has a God
Rom 15
6 that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Cor 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort,
2 Cor 11
31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, he who is blessed for ever, knows that I do not lie.
Eph 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
Eph 1
17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him,
1 Pet 1
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
@@mitchellc4 I never said you agree with all of the Nicene Creed. I said you and the Nicene Creed both say there is one God, the Father.