Josh Pate On Expanded CFB Playoff Having Problems (Late Kick Cut)

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  • The College Football Playoff expansion era is here with the 12-team format set to debut this season. On Late Kick Live Ep 509 Josh Pate discussed some of the challenges the new setup could face. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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  • @jamesh7469
    @jamesh7469 Місяць тому +11

    I truly hate the idea of rematches of huge definitive rivalry games. The best part of the Michigan-Ohio State rival rate is that it happens once a year and then the result gets to rule over the next 364 days. It really really does devalue the importance and atmosphere of ancient individual game. I used to fly out family and friends every other year for THE game in Ann Arbor. I might not even go myself knowing that there's a high probability of it happening twice
    The idea of splitting the 1-1 Basically having a tie until next year is just horrendous. More football ≠ better

  • @J_B72
    @J_B72 Місяць тому +2

    “Stop Me If You Think You’ve Heard This One Before” is an excellent song by The Smiths.

  • @MichaelSmith-xb5cp
    @MichaelSmith-xb5cp Місяць тому +6

    You can't sit there and pretend it's OK to be playing FCS teams in November, then at the same time pretend the best team representing more than half of D1 football is unworthy. What is this? Make the rules up as we go along so we can have 5 teams in a playoff?,,,,I'm sure there are a few NFL teams that would love to have 5 college teams on their December's schedule

    • @kevinbond8966
      @kevinbond8966 Місяць тому

      Who TF cares if teams have any easy game in November. Never understood why that made some people so mad.

    • @MichaelSmith-xb5cp
      @MichaelSmith-xb5cp Місяць тому

      @kevinbond8966 They are used as pseudo byes to expell a would-be conference loss out onto meaningless conferences...SEE: Puffery, simple arithmetics

    • @samuel_heinz2649
      @samuel_heinz2649 Місяць тому +1

      You absolutely can be OK with playing FCS teams in November if the rest of your schedule is much harder than any other conference out there. The SEC is far and beyond any; hell the SEC kids play only seven conference games and still be more competitive than any other.

    • @MichaelSmith-xb5cp
      @MichaelSmith-xb5cp Місяць тому +1

      @samuel_heinz2649 If that's the case, then they should have no issue or complaint playing, and potentially losing, to a G5 in a playoff game, nor should any pundit like Pate.

    • @MichaelSmith-xb5cp
      @MichaelSmith-xb5cp Місяць тому

      ​@kevinbond8966 The November FCS team is used to give a team an artificial bye. Expelling a would-be conference loss out to an FCS conference. Simple mathematics will strengthen a conference when the conference as a whole has less built-in losses before a season even begins. Look how Pate is using preseason math to accentuate the positive but ignore the negative.

  • @johnk6206
    @johnk6206 Місяць тому +8

    Let's try a hybrid sysytem of sports writers, coaches, and a sophisticated computer algorithm. It could account for W-L, SOS, opponent SOS.......Oh, wait....

  • @josephp2109
    @josephp2109 Місяць тому

    Josh, you’re right about the playoff when it comes to merit. However, the auto bids force parity to happen. If this structure remained, recruits would eventually realize they can take the “Gonzaga route” and go to non SEC/B1G teams and have a great shot at the playoff.
    Auto bids are the only think preventing college football from immediately divulging into a two conference system.

  • @ralphrandolph2475
    @ralphrandolph2475 Місяць тому +2

    The first time a blue blood program has to to play on the road at an "inferior" opponent, the calls for immediate change will come pouring in. IE: An 11 seed Alabama has to go on the road to play a 6 seed Toledo, in Toledo at the Glass Bowl, in mid-to late December... I can hear the screaming now...

  • @thomassmith8954
    @thomassmith8954 Місяць тому

    Back in the 90s when we where in Baton Rouge sitting in Mike Andersons we always watched FSU vs Miami and it was always a nail bitter & your right JP back in them days the State of Florida football meant sumptn I doubt it’ll ever be that way again bcuz of NIL but I still have all them memories. Go Gators

  • @dallasmorrow21
    @dallasmorrow21 Місяць тому +1

    I think the autobids can stay but they need to just be a ticket to the dance. It should be up to the committee to rank all 12 teams how they see fit

  • @nikitavanhoose405
    @nikitavanhoose405 Місяць тому

    If I were in charge, and calling the shots, then here's what I would personally do. All throughout the season I would have two top 100, 50 and 25 rankings. One for division 1 and 1 for power 5. Then I would have a playoff and championship for both. Then I would let the number one overall ranked Division one team have a seat in the power 5 playoffs, but all the rest of the division one teams would have their own playoff and crown their own champion. I would also let the number one ranked division 1 team decide if they wanted to join the power 5 playoffs and try to compete, or just stay in the division one playoff.

  • @ninjadanny628
    @ninjadanny628 Місяць тому

    Im surprised one of the main issues weren’t about Notre Dame and asking how would they fit in, especially since they don’t play a conference championship game. Especially when deciding (for example) if a 12-1 B1G runner up would be ranked bellow or above a 12-0 Notre Dame.

  • @NateBee
    @NateBee Місяць тому +1

    The CFP will continue to attempt to avoid rematches as much as possible just like they have been quietly since the playoffs started. We all noticed, but they refused to acknowledge it.

  • @NativeTXn1AIArt
    @NativeTXn1AIArt Місяць тому +1

    Simple fixes
    Make a rule no same conference first round matchups.
    Remove Auto-bids
    G5 is going to be left behind anyway when the SEC & B1G leave anyway, why wait.

  • @joelhjd
    @joelhjd Місяць тому +9

    If you’re gonna put as much emphasis on rankings, as you do in making your argument here Josh, what’s the point in even even having a playoff? You don’t want conference or G5 auto bids, because “heaven forbid” a team that’s ranked below a higher ranked team might be in the playoff as if being ranked means any damned thing in the abstract. I thought the entire point of the playoff was to allow this to be settled on the field, but no, you want this new system to be heavily deferential to the old one which was entirely subjective.
    It is possible with a minimal amount of effort to design a system where a champion is picked without any voters, polls, or committees involved at all. That’s what we should be striving for.

    • @RoadTo19
      @RoadTo19 Місяць тому +1

      None... He's not in faviour of CFP. Like myself, the BCS is preferable as it worked every year. It simply guaranteed the #1 played #2 ranked team for the Chip!

    • @natecoles9542
      @natecoles9542 Місяць тому

      Bravo Joel 👏🏾
      The entire issue with college football is that these polls are given value and taken into consideration, when they’re inherently biased, versus the simplest of ranking: winner over loser.
      If anything, split the teams into divisions based on their football budgets. If your team wants to play in a higher division, your boosters need to pony up the requisite amount of money so that your program can show it’s financially able to play in the same league.

    • @RoadTo19
      @RoadTo19 Місяць тому

      @@natecoles9542 In my mind, bringing more money into the sport is counterproductive.
      That would essentially allow programs to buy there way into competitive divisions and thus result in fewer quality programs and thus quality games for fans.
      The division a programs plays within should merit based, similar to European soccer. The better the program, the higher the division it plays within.

    • @natecoles9542
      @natecoles9542 Місяць тому

      @@RoadTo19 the issue with measuring by merit is, we cannot appropriately measure by merit as it stands now because there’s too much built-in bias. We need to start from zero somewhere, in my opinion. If we start from total zero and just go by wins it’s possible, but with so many FBS teams it’s difficult. there needs to be a point where the slate is clear, and we start from there to judge merit to see who goes where. Or, teams could just stay where they are now, with their current conferences that they basically poured their money into to make great by pouring money into their programs.

  • @ninjadanny628
    @ninjadanny628 Місяць тому

    I don’t really like rematches. I could see the playoff committee try and avoid it by manipulating rankings in an effort to remove as many 1st round rematches as they can.

  • @RadicallyOptimistic
    @RadicallyOptimistic Місяць тому

    If you do a March Madness seeding system: 4 regions with 3 teams, you can avoid first round rematches. Also geographic preference for the top 4 seeds who also get a bye.

  • @brianvandelinder4082
    @brianvandelinder4082 Місяць тому +1

    I don’t really see why B1G and SEC don’t just do their own independent playoffs with a title game between the two conference champs at the end. Awfully exclusionary of others, yes, but once the ACC falls apart, and the biggest brands go to BiG/SEC, what is really left. Fox/ESPN would make way more money if each had their own playoff based on conference standings instead of invitational. Makes revenue sharing a lot easier too once that’s a thing.

  • @TheSpreadCFB
    @TheSpreadCFB Місяць тому

    Seen this coming as we all probably did

  • @johnbochenek5526
    @johnbochenek5526 Місяць тому +2

    This playoff system is horrific. Do away with the committee and let the regular season decide the EIGHT teams that are in - 2 from each power 4. The conference championships are the first round and the four winners play New Year's bowls with the two winners playing a week later.

    • @stanleymyrick4068
      @stanleymyrick4068 Місяць тому +1

      Take your conference championship and stick it where the sun don't shine. That is how much some conference championships mean.

    • @johnk6206
      @johnk6206 Місяць тому

      ​@@stanleymyrick4068NFL has entered the chat....

    • @timcampbell5758
      @timcampbell5758 Місяць тому +3

      I’m sorry, but your suggestion assumes that all “power conferences” are equal. The reality is they are not. If we’re picking the top 8 or 12 or even 2, you have to be open to understanding that one or two conferences might have several teams that are simply better than the teams in another. The SEC has demonstrated this multiple times over the last 25 years. To quote Josh, “you are not always what your record says you are.”

    • @johnbochenek5526
      @johnbochenek5526 Місяць тому

      ​@@timcampbell5758here's the problem. Inevitably the imbalance will continue to grow worse and college football will continue to shrink. Yeah 134 is too many. But do you want college football to be 30 or 20 or 10? Do you want the SEC to be all there is? Do you want the same four teams winning the Natty every year? Sounds boring to me.

  • @kennethdickens4905
    @kennethdickens4905 Місяць тому

    Since Alabama and lsu in the bcs I said best 2 out of 3. Sounds good to me

  • @enderwiggins8483
    @enderwiggins8483 Місяць тому

    I would like to see a team like Liberty be in tge playoff and get blown out or run the table as the case may be.

  • @michaelzinn1169
    @michaelzinn1169 Місяць тому +1

    Perfect system = You cut the sport to 72 teams with six regional divisions of 12 teams. Take the winner of those divisions and two (maybe one?) at large and put them in a playoff. Play the playoff games at home stadium sites and make the Rose Bowl the Natty every year on NYD. Move the Orange Bowl, Peach, Cotton, Fiesta to week one.

    • @stanleymyrick4068
      @stanleymyrick4068 Місяць тому

      Not a perfect system. People that live in backwoods potato alley division, a regional division that has one good team, a region that has no good teams, then you have a region with 4 elite teams.

    • @stanleymyrick4068
      @stanleymyrick4068 Місяць тому

      Championship trophy doesn't mean squat when you are playing Peasant of the Poor Institute State SW every weekend.

    • @michaelzinn1169
      @michaelzinn1169 Місяць тому

      @@stanleymyrick4068 Generally regional but balance the divisions out as well as possible

    • @MichaelSmith-xb5cp
      @MichaelSmith-xb5cp Місяць тому

      Only if it's 12 team Round Robin, that would eliminate the champ game, plus all out of conference save for one, a non conference rival game, You'd have a clear Victor for all six conferences with an automatic playoff bid.

  • @CadillacDeMille
    @CadillacDeMille Місяць тому

    I'm okay getting rid of the conference championship games to prevent 3 game rematches

  • @travisschuyler5590
    @travisschuyler5590 Місяць тому

    GEORGIA TECH MENTION RAHHHHHH. LETS GO JACKETS

  • @davids9520
    @davids9520 Місяць тому

    Teams that p[lay each other three times in a season, probably means they are very good teams. Watch the NHL play offs. Teams play each other a lot. It is still exciting.

  • @michaelzinn1169
    @michaelzinn1169 Місяць тому +2

    Why is the Big 10 getting rid of divisions this year when they could legitimately have a balanced East & West now? This sport we love is run by dolts!

  • @williamw3501
    @williamw3501 Місяць тому

    do we need conference championship games? I think we either get rid of them or incorporate them into the playoff system.

  • @Tryreading
    @Tryreading Місяць тому

    Where can we get action on the three-peat games?!?? 😂

  • @whatlol_e
    @whatlol_e Місяць тому +1

    8 is the perfect number

    • @stanleymyrick4068
      @stanleymyrick4068 Місяць тому

      Yeah. I do not disagree with you. If you didn't make it in the top 8, you probably don't deserve to be there. They need a championship for others to play in. Call it the 'Cry Baby Challenge' and stick all the conference champions not good enough to be in the 8 that don't matter in it and liberty. Instead of the NIT, football would have the CBC.

    • @whatlol_e
      @whatlol_e Місяць тому

      @@stanleymyrick4068 yup also remove auto bids

  • @Donny_DeVito
    @Donny_DeVito Місяць тому +2

    Rematches shouldn’t matter too much. If rematches happen, that is honestly a sign that the best teams made it.
    Also, we are toeing a line with G5 here where we “decentivize” them playing anyone other than other G5s. Then you eventually find yourself putting up a higher wall between G5 and P4 and now you’re just making a new FCS 2.0. If that’s what we want, then ok - but we’re putting up barriers to G5 programs that could have implications on transferring (academically speaking as well), NIL and recruiting as a whole

  • @greenwave819
    @greenwave819 Місяць тому

    I totally enjoy rematches 100% okay with them. The auto bids are a joke tho for sure. Liberty in last year's hypothetical 12x playoff... that would've been sad. However, a G5 play-off would be really hype!!

  • @kennethdickens4905
    @kennethdickens4905 Місяць тому

    Would rather have an out bid than a committee calling the shots

  • @darrinm486
    @darrinm486 Місяць тому

    Don't hate on my wave!

  • @MrBuckeye1405
    @MrBuckeye1405 28 днів тому

    Again NFL teams play 3x sometimes. Browns played Steelers 2x in regular season then again in playoffs couple years ago. If you’re outside the top 12 playoff teams oh well you had 13 weeks to prove it.

  • @zacheryhardie9313
    @zacheryhardie9313 Місяць тому

    Rematches are fine, happens in every sport and every level. Nothing new. Let’s see how this system plays out before we judge it.
    Keep this system, but in addition have an 8 team G5 playoff. Highest G5 champ still makes the big playoff.
    4 G5 Champs + 1 G5 runner up of the league who’s in the big playoff + 3 G5 at large.
    Have the G5 tournament championship play same day prior to the CFP Final in addition to FCS natty. Have two undercards leading up to the headliner.
    “D1 National Championship Saturday”
    FCS Natty - morning/noon
    G5 Final - afternoon
    CFP Final - evening
    Give college fans appetizers leading up to the main event on a Saturday. Like opening acts before a concert or undercards before a heavyweight title fight.

  • @kennethdickens4905
    @kennethdickens4905 Місяць тому

    Then don’t schedule g5 in the regular season if they aren’t allowed to dance in the end

  • @jeffwatson68
    @jeffwatson68 Місяць тому

    Josh Pate you prove the point that this sport has major flaws and could be so much better if set up correctly to level the playing field, increase the intrigue and maximize fan interest. They shouldn’t be talking about increasing rosters coaching limits but reducing them. They should be adding rules that that make it a level playing field. No one would want to watch Bama play 12 games against NFL teams. They already know the outcome.

  • @ndmmt-wu7kz
    @ndmmt-wu7kz Місяць тому

    As long as a G5 gets an auto-bud, let’s give the highest-ranked independent an auto-bid too….

  • @rockytoptom
    @rockytoptom Місяць тому

    The playoff itself is an issue. No more playoffs. No more paying players. No sitting out bowl games and no more than 10 bowl games total. No more transfer portal unless there's extreme circumstance. No more targeting penalties. I just fixed everything in under 20 seconds.

  • @kennc222003
    @kennc222003 Місяць тому

    What's wrong with a rematch?

    • @davidboniface858
      @davidboniface858 Місяць тому

      Absolutely nothing. CFB likes to make issues out of nothing because the sport has been ran by idiots for 150 years

  • @michaelzinn1169
    @michaelzinn1169 Місяць тому +1

    12 is the dumbest playoff system (aside from 14). It waters down the regular season and the playoff. It basically guarantees that the top teams won't have massive home games going forward.

    • @RoadTo19
      @RoadTo19 Місяць тому +1

      Interesting point...

  • @gatorboy21king
    @gatorboy21king Місяць тому

    Don’t care about rematches majority of the time it’s gonna be a good game

    • @austincullen4003
      @austincullen4003 Місяць тому

      Statistically speaking, no. The overwhelming majority of playoff games have been blowouts.

  • @UnconventionalSpark
    @UnconventionalSpark Місяць тому

    I know they’ll never do it but I can’t stand auto bids. Also don’t like conference title games.

  • @John-ls2gp
    @John-ls2gp Місяць тому

    You keep talking about rankings. They don't mean anything, think about it. They are for fun. They are opinions. Isn't that what were trying to eliminate?

  • @AuntieB
    @AuntieB Місяць тому

    A shocking amount of strength of conference and schedule deniers in the comments. It’s really not a hard concept to understand.

  • @spencersmith4373
    @spencersmith4373 Місяць тому

    Literally none of these things are "major issues"

  • @Sammhm123
    @Sammhm123 Місяць тому

    If teams are pissed about non big10/sec teams getting into the playoffs then maybe teams shouldn’t whine and cry their way into the sec/big10 in the first place 🤷‍♂️

  • @nickma71
    @nickma71 Місяць тому

    Actually Michigan will probably be 8-4, and aren't going to any playoff. The abnormal conditions that got them there are gone.

    • @LC9842
      @LC9842 Місяць тому

      Best dline in cfb, best CB in cfb, best TE in cfb. Potentially 4 first round draft picks and double digit draft picks again and 3 out of 4 Michigans toughest games are at home. I doubt they go 8-4 my brother. Btw ncaa is about to go bankrupt nobody cares about this so called “abnormal conditions”

    • @nickma71
      @nickma71 Місяць тому

      @@LC9842 Keep dreaming

  • @jasonwalters5478
    @jasonwalters5478 Місяць тому +6

    Division title games need to be done away with. Why do we need to have the top two teams play if we already know who the division winner is when the regular season ends? It's ridiculous to even play a conference title game. With the new expanded playoff teams are potentially playing more games. So eliminate the unnecessary conference championship games altogether. We don't need them! The regular season already determines the winner and it will eliminate one more game so the teams don't have to play as many games. It will also take away any chance of 2 teams having to possibly playing one another 3 times in a season.

    • @billy10rackz99
      @billy10rackz99 Місяць тому

      I agree 100% let's keep the players health in mind.

    • @stanleymyrick4068
      @stanleymyrick4068 Місяць тому +2

      That is how it was until it wasn't. I agree. The problem is money. Who is going to say lets not have the revenue of the SEC Championship game?

    • @jamesh7469
      @jamesh7469 Місяць тому +1

      It's honestly the worst thing that could happen to monumental rivalry games likeMichigan versus OSU. it's just gonna devalue each game and ruin the spectacle of it

    • @johnk6206
      @johnk6206 Місяць тому

      The BCS was better. Change my mind.

    • @JohnDoe-jy7sv
      @JohnDoe-jy7sv Місяць тому

      Two reasons that aren’t money:
      1. Conferences used to have shared titles. A conference championship game guarantees one champion.
      2. When conferences were small enough to have nearly round robin schedules, it made sense. But now you have 16 and 18 team conferences. Take the Big Ten. 18 teams, meaning 17 possible opponents, and 9 conference games. That means you barely play more than half of the conference. The schedules will be wildly different, so it doesn’t make sense to crown a champion with such different opponents.

  • @mr.rubicon1193
    @mr.rubicon1193 Місяць тому

    This was a terrible idea. Full stop.

  • @John-ls2gp
    @John-ls2gp Місяць тому

    A bye is nonsense. Leave it to the powers that be make this unnecessarily complicated. 16 team minimum. Rankings should not play into qualifying. Let's make it 32 and get rid of these meaningless conf. championship games.

  • @SurferRC
    @SurferRC Місяць тому

    Rankings are like star ratings for hs kids, meaningless

  • @MrBuckeye1405
    @MrBuckeye1405 28 днів тому

    NFL has auto bids? It’s called Divison. Some years you have inferior teams making playoffs because in a terrible division. Some NFL divisions are stacked AFC North, NFC north. Some are garbage NFC south.

  • @ben-not-benni
    @ben-not-benni Місяць тому +1

    Also, let's mention EVERY top G5 schools that were inside the top 12 in those years are no longer G5.
    Cincy (4th, 8th) & UCF (8th, 12th) are both Big12 now. And the Big12 is no SEC/Big10 and they sucked in the Big12...

  • @natecoles9542
    @natecoles9542 Місяць тому

    No more polls. “Seeds” are based on winning percentage and whether a team wins their conference. Next question.

    • @AuntieB
      @AuntieB Місяць тому

      A 11-2 Georgia is undeniably a better team than an undefeated Toledo is. Next bad take.

    • @natecoles9542
      @natecoles9542 Місяць тому

      @@AuntieB Toledo: $10 million football revenue
      Georgia football revenue: $200 million
      They should not be playing in the same level of college football. That’s a separate problem that does not take away from the fact that polls made by people who are NOT PLAYING ON THE FIELD should not be used to determine who makes a playoff. Wins and losses should.

    • @AuntieB
      @AuntieB Місяць тому

      @@natecoles9542 You are right, they shouldn’t be in the same level of college football, but sadly they are. So until then the polls are necessary. Wouldn’t make any sense to get rid of them with the current state of conferences.

  • @Field_Marshall
    @Field_Marshall Місяць тому +1

    BigTen Conference way overrated

  • @stevemak8620
    @stevemak8620 Місяць тому

    Having the G5 in the playoff is a joke and an abomination.

  • @ariankarimi952
    @ariankarimi952 Місяць тому

    You will be humbled this coming season.