Josh Pate On Expanded CFB Playoff Having Problems (Late Kick Cut)
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- The College Football Playoff expansion era is here with the 12-team format set to debut this season. On Late Kick Live Ep 509 Josh Pate discussed some of the challenges the new setup could face. Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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I truly hate the idea of rematches of huge definitive rivalry games. The best part of the Michigan-Ohio State rival rate is that it happens once a year and then the result gets to rule over the next 364 days. It really really does devalue the importance and atmosphere of ancient individual game. I used to fly out family and friends every other year for THE game in Ann Arbor. I might not even go myself knowing that there's a high probability of it happening twice
The idea of splitting the 1-1 Basically having a tie until next year is just horrendous. More football ≠ better
“Stop Me If You Think You’ve Heard This One Before” is an excellent song by The Smiths.
You can't sit there and pretend it's OK to be playing FCS teams in November, then at the same time pretend the best team representing more than half of D1 football is unworthy. What is this? Make the rules up as we go along so we can have 5 teams in a playoff?,,,,I'm sure there are a few NFL teams that would love to have 5 college teams on their December's schedule
Who TF cares if teams have any easy game in November. Never understood why that made some people so mad.
@kevinbond8966 They are used as pseudo byes to expell a would-be conference loss out onto meaningless conferences...SEE: Puffery, simple arithmetics
You absolutely can be OK with playing FCS teams in November if the rest of your schedule is much harder than any other conference out there. The SEC is far and beyond any; hell the SEC kids play only seven conference games and still be more competitive than any other.
@samuel_heinz2649 If that's the case, then they should have no issue or complaint playing, and potentially losing, to a G5 in a playoff game, nor should any pundit like Pate.
@kevinbond8966 The November FCS team is used to give a team an artificial bye. Expelling a would-be conference loss out to an FCS conference. Simple mathematics will strengthen a conference when the conference as a whole has less built-in losses before a season even begins. Look how Pate is using preseason math to accentuate the positive but ignore the negative.
Let's try a hybrid sysytem of sports writers, coaches, and a sophisticated computer algorithm. It could account for W-L, SOS, opponent SOS.......Oh, wait....
Josh, you’re right about the playoff when it comes to merit. However, the auto bids force parity to happen. If this structure remained, recruits would eventually realize they can take the “Gonzaga route” and go to non SEC/B1G teams and have a great shot at the playoff.
Auto bids are the only think preventing college football from immediately divulging into a two conference system.
The first time a blue blood program has to to play on the road at an "inferior" opponent, the calls for immediate change will come pouring in. IE: An 11 seed Alabama has to go on the road to play a 6 seed Toledo, in Toledo at the Glass Bowl, in mid-to late December... I can hear the screaming now...
Back in the 90s when we where in Baton Rouge sitting in Mike Andersons we always watched FSU vs Miami and it was always a nail bitter & your right JP back in them days the State of Florida football meant sumptn I doubt it’ll ever be that way again bcuz of NIL but I still have all them memories. Go Gators
I think the autobids can stay but they need to just be a ticket to the dance. It should be up to the committee to rank all 12 teams how they see fit
If I were in charge, and calling the shots, then here's what I would personally do. All throughout the season I would have two top 100, 50 and 25 rankings. One for division 1 and 1 for power 5. Then I would have a playoff and championship for both. Then I would let the number one overall ranked Division one team have a seat in the power 5 playoffs, but all the rest of the division one teams would have their own playoff and crown their own champion. I would also let the number one ranked division 1 team decide if they wanted to join the power 5 playoffs and try to compete, or just stay in the division one playoff.
Im surprised one of the main issues weren’t about Notre Dame and asking how would they fit in, especially since they don’t play a conference championship game. Especially when deciding (for example) if a 12-1 B1G runner up would be ranked bellow or above a 12-0 Notre Dame.
The CFP will continue to attempt to avoid rematches as much as possible just like they have been quietly since the playoffs started. We all noticed, but they refused to acknowledge it.
Simple fixes
Make a rule no same conference first round matchups.
Remove Auto-bids
G5 is going to be left behind anyway when the SEC & B1G leave anyway, why wait.
If you’re gonna put as much emphasis on rankings, as you do in making your argument here Josh, what’s the point in even even having a playoff? You don’t want conference or G5 auto bids, because “heaven forbid” a team that’s ranked below a higher ranked team might be in the playoff as if being ranked means any damned thing in the abstract. I thought the entire point of the playoff was to allow this to be settled on the field, but no, you want this new system to be heavily deferential to the old one which was entirely subjective.
It is possible with a minimal amount of effort to design a system where a champion is picked without any voters, polls, or committees involved at all. That’s what we should be striving for.
None... He's not in faviour of CFP. Like myself, the BCS is preferable as it worked every year. It simply guaranteed the #1 played #2 ranked team for the Chip!
Bravo Joel 👏🏾
The entire issue with college football is that these polls are given value and taken into consideration, when they’re inherently biased, versus the simplest of ranking: winner over loser.
If anything, split the teams into divisions based on their football budgets. If your team wants to play in a higher division, your boosters need to pony up the requisite amount of money so that your program can show it’s financially able to play in the same league.
@@natecoles9542 In my mind, bringing more money into the sport is counterproductive.
That would essentially allow programs to buy there way into competitive divisions and thus result in fewer quality programs and thus quality games for fans.
The division a programs plays within should merit based, similar to European soccer. The better the program, the higher the division it plays within.
@@RoadTo19 the issue with measuring by merit is, we cannot appropriately measure by merit as it stands now because there’s too much built-in bias. We need to start from zero somewhere, in my opinion. If we start from total zero and just go by wins it’s possible, but with so many FBS teams it’s difficult. there needs to be a point where the slate is clear, and we start from there to judge merit to see who goes where. Or, teams could just stay where they are now, with their current conferences that they basically poured their money into to make great by pouring money into their programs.
I don’t really like rematches. I could see the playoff committee try and avoid it by manipulating rankings in an effort to remove as many 1st round rematches as they can.
If you do a March Madness seeding system: 4 regions with 3 teams, you can avoid first round rematches. Also geographic preference for the top 4 seeds who also get a bye.
I don’t really see why B1G and SEC don’t just do their own independent playoffs with a title game between the two conference champs at the end. Awfully exclusionary of others, yes, but once the ACC falls apart, and the biggest brands go to BiG/SEC, what is really left. Fox/ESPN would make way more money if each had their own playoff based on conference standings instead of invitational. Makes revenue sharing a lot easier too once that’s a thing.
Seen this coming as we all probably did
This playoff system is horrific. Do away with the committee and let the regular season decide the EIGHT teams that are in - 2 from each power 4. The conference championships are the first round and the four winners play New Year's bowls with the two winners playing a week later.
Take your conference championship and stick it where the sun don't shine. That is how much some conference championships mean.
@@stanleymyrick4068NFL has entered the chat....
I’m sorry, but your suggestion assumes that all “power conferences” are equal. The reality is they are not. If we’re picking the top 8 or 12 or even 2, you have to be open to understanding that one or two conferences might have several teams that are simply better than the teams in another. The SEC has demonstrated this multiple times over the last 25 years. To quote Josh, “you are not always what your record says you are.”
@@timcampbell5758here's the problem. Inevitably the imbalance will continue to grow worse and college football will continue to shrink. Yeah 134 is too many. But do you want college football to be 30 or 20 or 10? Do you want the SEC to be all there is? Do you want the same four teams winning the Natty every year? Sounds boring to me.
Since Alabama and lsu in the bcs I said best 2 out of 3. Sounds good to me
I would like to see a team like Liberty be in tge playoff and get blown out or run the table as the case may be.
Perfect system = You cut the sport to 72 teams with six regional divisions of 12 teams. Take the winner of those divisions and two (maybe one?) at large and put them in a playoff. Play the playoff games at home stadium sites and make the Rose Bowl the Natty every year on NYD. Move the Orange Bowl, Peach, Cotton, Fiesta to week one.
Not a perfect system. People that live in backwoods potato alley division, a regional division that has one good team, a region that has no good teams, then you have a region with 4 elite teams.
Championship trophy doesn't mean squat when you are playing Peasant of the Poor Institute State SW every weekend.
@@stanleymyrick4068 Generally regional but balance the divisions out as well as possible
Only if it's 12 team Round Robin, that would eliminate the champ game, plus all out of conference save for one, a non conference rival game, You'd have a clear Victor for all six conferences with an automatic playoff bid.
I'm okay getting rid of the conference championship games to prevent 3 game rematches
GEORGIA TECH MENTION RAHHHHHH. LETS GO JACKETS
Teams that p[lay each other three times in a season, probably means they are very good teams. Watch the NHL play offs. Teams play each other a lot. It is still exciting.
Why is the Big 10 getting rid of divisions this year when they could legitimately have a balanced East & West now? This sport we love is run by dolts!
do we need conference championship games? I think we either get rid of them or incorporate them into the playoff system.
Where can we get action on the three-peat games?!?? 😂
8 is the perfect number
Yeah. I do not disagree with you. If you didn't make it in the top 8, you probably don't deserve to be there. They need a championship for others to play in. Call it the 'Cry Baby Challenge' and stick all the conference champions not good enough to be in the 8 that don't matter in it and liberty. Instead of the NIT, football would have the CBC.
@@stanleymyrick4068 yup also remove auto bids
Rematches shouldn’t matter too much. If rematches happen, that is honestly a sign that the best teams made it.
Also, we are toeing a line with G5 here where we “decentivize” them playing anyone other than other G5s. Then you eventually find yourself putting up a higher wall between G5 and P4 and now you’re just making a new FCS 2.0. If that’s what we want, then ok - but we’re putting up barriers to G5 programs that could have implications on transferring (academically speaking as well), NIL and recruiting as a whole
I totally enjoy rematches 100% okay with them. The auto bids are a joke tho for sure. Liberty in last year's hypothetical 12x playoff... that would've been sad. However, a G5 play-off would be really hype!!
Would rather have an out bid than a committee calling the shots
Don't hate on my wave!
Again NFL teams play 3x sometimes. Browns played Steelers 2x in regular season then again in playoffs couple years ago. If you’re outside the top 12 playoff teams oh well you had 13 weeks to prove it.
Rematches are fine, happens in every sport and every level. Nothing new. Let’s see how this system plays out before we judge it.
Keep this system, but in addition have an 8 team G5 playoff. Highest G5 champ still makes the big playoff.
4 G5 Champs + 1 G5 runner up of the league who’s in the big playoff + 3 G5 at large.
Have the G5 tournament championship play same day prior to the CFP Final in addition to FCS natty. Have two undercards leading up to the headliner.
“D1 National Championship Saturday”
FCS Natty - morning/noon
G5 Final - afternoon
CFP Final - evening
Give college fans appetizers leading up to the main event on a Saturday. Like opening acts before a concert or undercards before a heavyweight title fight.
Then don’t schedule g5 in the regular season if they aren’t allowed to dance in the end
Josh Pate you prove the point that this sport has major flaws and could be so much better if set up correctly to level the playing field, increase the intrigue and maximize fan interest. They shouldn’t be talking about increasing rosters coaching limits but reducing them. They should be adding rules that that make it a level playing field. No one would want to watch Bama play 12 games against NFL teams. They already know the outcome.
As long as a G5 gets an auto-bud, let’s give the highest-ranked independent an auto-bid too….
The playoff itself is an issue. No more playoffs. No more paying players. No sitting out bowl games and no more than 10 bowl games total. No more transfer portal unless there's extreme circumstance. No more targeting penalties. I just fixed everything in under 20 seconds.
What's wrong with a rematch?
Absolutely nothing. CFB likes to make issues out of nothing because the sport has been ran by idiots for 150 years
12 is the dumbest playoff system (aside from 14). It waters down the regular season and the playoff. It basically guarantees that the top teams won't have massive home games going forward.
Interesting point...
Don’t care about rematches majority of the time it’s gonna be a good game
Statistically speaking, no. The overwhelming majority of playoff games have been blowouts.
I know they’ll never do it but I can’t stand auto bids. Also don’t like conference title games.
You keep talking about rankings. They don't mean anything, think about it. They are for fun. They are opinions. Isn't that what were trying to eliminate?
A shocking amount of strength of conference and schedule deniers in the comments. It’s really not a hard concept to understand.
Literally none of these things are "major issues"
If teams are pissed about non big10/sec teams getting into the playoffs then maybe teams shouldn’t whine and cry their way into the sec/big10 in the first place 🤷♂️
Actually Michigan will probably be 8-4, and aren't going to any playoff. The abnormal conditions that got them there are gone.
Best dline in cfb, best CB in cfb, best TE in cfb. Potentially 4 first round draft picks and double digit draft picks again and 3 out of 4 Michigans toughest games are at home. I doubt they go 8-4 my brother. Btw ncaa is about to go bankrupt nobody cares about this so called “abnormal conditions”
@@LC9842 Keep dreaming
Division title games need to be done away with. Why do we need to have the top two teams play if we already know who the division winner is when the regular season ends? It's ridiculous to even play a conference title game. With the new expanded playoff teams are potentially playing more games. So eliminate the unnecessary conference championship games altogether. We don't need them! The regular season already determines the winner and it will eliminate one more game so the teams don't have to play as many games. It will also take away any chance of 2 teams having to possibly playing one another 3 times in a season.
I agree 100% let's keep the players health in mind.
That is how it was until it wasn't. I agree. The problem is money. Who is going to say lets not have the revenue of the SEC Championship game?
It's honestly the worst thing that could happen to monumental rivalry games likeMichigan versus OSU. it's just gonna devalue each game and ruin the spectacle of it
The BCS was better. Change my mind.
Two reasons that aren’t money:
1. Conferences used to have shared titles. A conference championship game guarantees one champion.
2. When conferences were small enough to have nearly round robin schedules, it made sense. But now you have 16 and 18 team conferences. Take the Big Ten. 18 teams, meaning 17 possible opponents, and 9 conference games. That means you barely play more than half of the conference. The schedules will be wildly different, so it doesn’t make sense to crown a champion with such different opponents.
This was a terrible idea. Full stop.
A bye is nonsense. Leave it to the powers that be make this unnecessarily complicated. 16 team minimum. Rankings should not play into qualifying. Let's make it 32 and get rid of these meaningless conf. championship games.
Rankings are like star ratings for hs kids, meaningless
NFL has auto bids? It’s called Divison. Some years you have inferior teams making playoffs because in a terrible division. Some NFL divisions are stacked AFC North, NFC north. Some are garbage NFC south.
Also, let's mention EVERY top G5 schools that were inside the top 12 in those years are no longer G5.
Cincy (4th, 8th) & UCF (8th, 12th) are both Big12 now. And the Big12 is no SEC/Big10 and they sucked in the Big12...
No more polls. “Seeds” are based on winning percentage and whether a team wins their conference. Next question.
A 11-2 Georgia is undeniably a better team than an undefeated Toledo is. Next bad take.
@@AuntieB Toledo: $10 million football revenue
Georgia football revenue: $200 million
They should not be playing in the same level of college football. That’s a separate problem that does not take away from the fact that polls made by people who are NOT PLAYING ON THE FIELD should not be used to determine who makes a playoff. Wins and losses should.
@@natecoles9542 You are right, they shouldn’t be in the same level of college football, but sadly they are. So until then the polls are necessary. Wouldn’t make any sense to get rid of them with the current state of conferences.
BigTen Conference way overrated
Your a joke
Having the G5 in the playoff is a joke and an abomination.
You will be humbled this coming season.