1900's to 1930's Hotchkiss Mark XIII & Mark XIV base inertial impact fuses, used in 2 pounder, 3 pounder, 6 pounder, 13 pounder & 18 pounder APHE shells also use shotgun primers. I own a 1934 pattern 2 pounder 40mm. APHE shell with a complete Mark XIV base fuse.
So I was talking with a guy here on UA-cam and he was saying that they had to have an older ignition source, match, fuse, friction primer, etc. I was certain I had seen a few Whitworth’s as well as others using 209’s (this video is one I had watched a few weeks back). Does anyone have any information on this? My understanding was it had to be a pre 1880 ish design and couldn’t use centered ammunition, but I never saw anything about 209 primers or percussion caps on the ATF website or anywhere else.
Joe did not build the gun. Fella in Redding built it around 1988. We met the builder at a shoot up in Arcata. Joe saw that gun and it was cannon lust at first sight. He bought that gun in the 1990's. He must have had a half dozen artillery pieces by then. When he left us I know he was chock-a-block with artillery in his "Cannatorium" You got a real tack driver there.
It's a pleasure to hear from somebody that knew Joe. Joe and I only knew each other for a short time, but I think we both felt like we were old friends. He wrote me a letter to console me after my mother died. It still brings tears to my eyes. He was one of a kind to say the least. I think of him often.
I was just thinking, if I owned a home, I would have a collection of these old cannons. I just showed this cannon to my wife, and I told her that I wanted one.
Sir Joseph Whitworth came from England and had a home in Darley Dale in Derbyshire. in recent years his home was a Preparatory School, and i was a Pupil there in the 1970's. It is called Stancliffe Hall and is now a private residence again. sir Joseph invented many things. The first rifeled barrrel (Hexagon type) the first standard of Spanner fitting , the first Perfectly Flat Surface to make engineering accurate .... Stancliffe Hall was a lovely place to be and feel the Stature of the Man. He created learning institutes and a Hospital in Darley Dale and His name is Well Respected. Rolls Royce, Stevenson's Rocket ( First steam engine, Arkwright engineering and the Mighty Mills are All from Derbyshire England.
John P. Etherington Arkwright was a relative, but Trevithick has a strong claim to being first with steam railways and steam cars since the Industrial revolution started up in the West Country and spread to places with more coal reserves
I use to crew that GUN with Joe at some of the SHOOTS that no longer happen GESOP , and the arcada in northern California , put on by Dilling . we took first place ONCE where he hit a t-post at 200 yrds , I SURE miss JOE GERRARD ( BUCKSHOT )
Joe was a great guy. He felt like an old friend the second day I met him. It's so sad that he died and then his place burned. It's almost like there is nothing of him left at all. Just memories...
I am curious how far that cannon will shoot... max charge, 45% barrel angle....perhaps 2K yds ? Would be a heck of a surprise to opposition leadership, assuming they were relatively safe over 1000 yds.
what I was told over the phone by the ATF is, and I quote. If it does not shoot a self contained cartridge it's OK. This gun works the same way as the original Whitworth cannons. It is externally primed.
If you didn't have tinfoil or paper (I assume you can use paper) to wrap the black powder, Can you still load and fire it from the breech? I know muzzle loaders can have that spoon thing to dump a pile of BP ad the end of the cannon, Not sure if you can do something like that with a breech loader.
I think it could be done but it wouldn't be as easy as using the foil. Some people use plastic bags. I like the powder to be contained so it will be slightly compressed when the breach is closed.
I thought when you use a W209 primer it becomes under ATF restrictions ??? It is then considered a firearm. If you use a percussion cap the ATF considers it a toy .
Very nice piece of Artillery. Ima not familiar with the Whitworth canon, is the mechanics of the cannon the same as an actual Whitworth "Breech loader"???, My neighbor has an authentic civil war era "Parrot Rifle" which is a breechloader and I believe it's a 2 pounder if I remember correctly?.One other question, how the heck did the armorer rifle the bore???, one hell of a talented machinest to say the least. Thanks for sharing! Kind regards, Eric Dee.
@@piutesteve: Now that I am awake, I recall My Father telling me about those "Bofor battery guns", My Father was deployed on the U.S.S. Wasp during WW2 43/45 in the South Pacific, I believe he called them AckAck guns??? or something to that effect, he said they would chase "Japanese Zeros " down with them. Uhhmmm how the heck did he find a 40mm barrel, I don't think Wal-mart carries those anymore...lol...
Beautiful! I thought about making a 20mm black powder cannon to shoot those blue 20mm practice rounds but when I tried to find out about legality it seems like it would be classified as a DD destructive device. Is this a DD?
***** The only place where Canadian firearms laws are better than the US. No restriction on how large a round can be. You could buy a pak 40 and have it count as a non-restricted long gun. Of course you could only shoot solid rounds, if you wanted explosives you would have to apply for a permit.
I have just watched that dreary monotone dross waiting for the gun muzzle to speak ,the powder to ignite, then the cannonball( s) to fly but NO!!!!.What was the bloody point of all that? There wasn't even a fissle. Even that mutt in the video got fed up and keeled over ,semi comatose! Oh well perhaps next time !.
Why the hell would you use 3FFF grain powder in a damn cannon when it is for small pistols only . 3 0r 2 F is used in cannons only when no shot is used to make noise only. you could produce too much pressure in the gun Cannon powder is the size of blasting powder.
+Charles Barnett I shoot all my cannons with 3f even the 3" guns. Nothing else burns at a consistent rate. everybody I know has evolved to shot 3f . Even in 58 caliber rifles. A friend of mine is one of the largest sellers of black powder on the west coast and he sells 3f almost exclusively. 3f in small pistols only, is an old wives tail. My gun was proofed with 3 pounds of 3f. I shoot 10 to 12 oz. at the shoots and I won all but one shoot in the last 5 years. The guy that beat me was shooting 3f also. If you have a good gun it will shoot better. I have shot over 3000 rounds almost all with 3f. I shot a 5 shot group at 400 yards with my 3" Whitworth that measured 7 1/2 inches. try that with 1f.
1900's to 1930's Hotchkiss Mark XIII & Mark XIV base inertial impact fuses, used in 2 pounder, 3 pounder, 6 pounder, 13 pounder & 18 pounder APHE shells also use shotgun primers. I own a 1934 pattern 2 pounder 40mm. APHE shell with a complete Mark XIV base fuse.
Love the Whitworth. Thank you for sharing.
If you want to see the Whitworth firing check out some of my other videos about the Memorial Day cannon shoots
So I was talking with a guy here on UA-cam and he was saying that they had to have an older ignition source, match, fuse, friction primer, etc. I was certain I had seen a few Whitworth’s as well as others using 209’s (this video is one I had watched a few weeks back). Does anyone have any information on this? My understanding was it had to be a pre 1880 ish design and couldn’t use centered ammunition, but I never saw anything about 209 primers or percussion caps on the ATF website or anywhere else.
This is interesting. We used .22 starter rounds on the gun my wife and I worked on. It was fun !!
That squirrel taunting you in the background noise was just asking for it.
I'm just now watching your vid on the 40mm whitworth again. If only I had known😊😊it is so cool
Joe did not build the gun. Fella in Redding built it around 1988. We met the builder at a shoot up in Arcata. Joe saw that gun and it was cannon lust at first sight. He bought that gun in the 1990's. He must have had a half dozen artillery pieces by then. When he left us I know he was chock-a-block with artillery in his "Cannatorium" You got a real tack driver there.
It's a pleasure to hear from somebody that knew Joe. Joe and I only knew each other for a short time, but I think we both felt like we were old friends. He wrote me a letter to console me after my mother died. It still brings tears to my eyes. He was one of a kind to say the least. I think of him often.
I love your videos! its good to see people giving love to these old guns.
I was just thinking, if I owned a home, I would have a collection of these old cannons. I just showed this cannon to my wife, and I told her that I wanted one.
Mom can we get a tank I promise I’ll take good care of it and swab the barrel every day!
I believe those Blue Practice rounds are from a Mk-19 Grenade Launcher, they use ammo that's a higher pressure than the M-79/M-203 40mm
Canada here, extremely cool
Sir Joseph Whitworth came from England and had a home in Darley Dale in Derbyshire. in recent years his home was a Preparatory School, and i was a Pupil there in the 1970's. It is called Stancliffe Hall and is now a private residence again. sir Joseph invented many things. The first rifeled barrrel (Hexagon type) the first standard of Spanner fitting , the first Perfectly Flat Surface to make engineering accurate .... Stancliffe Hall was a lovely place to be and feel the Stature of the Man. He created learning institutes and a Hospital in Darley Dale and His name is Well Respected.
Rolls Royce, Stevenson's Rocket ( First steam engine, Arkwright engineering and the Mighty Mills are All from Derbyshire England.
John P. Etherington Arkwright was a relative, but Trevithick has a strong claim to being first with steam railways and steam cars since the Industrial revolution started up in the West Country and spread to places with more coal reserves
The Cannon is nice! This Cannon needed kerosene, water etc. The Cannon is awesome!
I use to crew that GUN with Joe at some of the SHOOTS that no longer happen GESOP , and the arcada in northern California , put on by Dilling . we took first place ONCE where he hit a t-post at 200 yrds , I SURE miss JOE GERRARD ( BUCKSHOT )
Joe was a great guy. He felt like an old friend the second day I met him. It's so sad that he died and then his place burned. It's almost like there is nothing of him left at all. Just memories...
A beauty.
The practice rounds are for a 40mm grenade launcher e.g. M79
Yep I was going to say the same thing..
I kept waiting to see it fire
And now we have cannons that can shoot this caliber in automatic fire
MrOiram46 Look up the Hotchkiss repeating cannon; they had that in the 1880s.
БОЖЕ!!! КАК ЖЕ ОНИ ЛЮБЯТ ТРЕПАТЬСЯ!!!
I am curious how far that cannon will shoot... max charge, 45% barrel angle....perhaps 2K yds ? Would be a heck of a surprise to opposition leadership, assuming they were relatively safe over 1000 yds.
Does it have a canister round too?
Can't believe I watch this whole video
Same i thought he was going to shoot it because he was loading it.
Why?
@Graham thank you
Question can a modern/ww2 40mm ammo fit in there?
no not even close
Ahh yes... the safest, least electrically conductive and unstatical material
TIN FOIL
is this an NFA DD? or is it exempt as an antique?
what I was told over the phone by the ATF is, and I quote. If it does not shoot a self contained cartridge it's OK. This gun works the same way as the original Whitworth cannons. It is externally primed.
Dog looks like a casualty.
Whitworth 3pdr (1.5 inch) BL gun
If you didn't have tinfoil or paper (I assume you can use paper) to wrap the black powder, Can you still load and fire it from the breech?
I know muzzle loaders can have that spoon thing to dump a pile of BP ad the end of the cannon, Not sure if you can do something like that with a breech loader.
I think it could be done but it wouldn't be as easy as using the foil. Some people use plastic bags. I like the powder to be contained so it will be slightly compressed when the breach is closed.
What did the original Whitworth use instead of the teflon washer?
My other Whitworth uses a tight steel to steel seal. But The real whitworths used a Zink cartridge case.
I thought when you use a W209 primer it becomes under ATF restrictions ??? It is then considered a firearm. If you use a percussion cap the ATF considers it a toy .
從頭看到尾，沒有看見發射的場景。 這種螺紋閉鎖， 應該是非常牢固的， NR50 狙擊步槍，就是這種類型。
piutestevе
How far could such cannons shoot?
It shoots a mile with reasonable accuracy.
@@piutesteve
Thanks.
Smooth-bore barrel without rifling?
@@ЖелезныйДровосек-б9ж It's rifled. The gun is made from a 40mm bofors barrel
@@piutesteve Clearly many thanks for your answer.
10,000 yards for the real gun. 10,000 !
I am pretty sure they did not have teflon in the civil war wonder what they used?
+Charles Barnett Brass I think
Are you the guy who was selling a bofors l60 barrel on 1919a4.com back about 10 years ago?
No
What was the name of the maker "Joe" that he keeps referencing?
Joe Gerard. He passed away several years ago. He was a dear friend and great guy
Very nice piece of Artillery. Ima not familiar with the Whitworth canon, is the mechanics of the cannon the same as an actual Whitworth "Breech loader"???, My neighbor has an authentic civil war era "Parrot Rifle" which is a breechloader and I believe it's a 2 pounder if I remember correctly?.One other question, how the heck did the armorer rifle the bore???, one hell of a talented machinest to say the least.
Thanks for sharing!
Kind regards, Eric Dee.
This gun works like an original Whitworth but the dimensions aren't even close to the original
@@piutesteve : Thank you for your response. Do you know how the rifling of the bore was achieved?, that is one heck of a feat to accomplish.
Eric Dee It was originally a 40mm bofors barrel.
@@piutesteve : Aaahhh that explains it, what an ingenious way of repurposing old machinery.
Thanks for sharing that information.
Kind regards Eric Dee
@@piutesteve: Now that I am awake, I recall My Father telling me about those "Bofor battery guns", My Father was deployed on the U.S.S. Wasp during WW2 43/45 in the South Pacific, I believe he called them AckAck guns??? or something to that effect, he said they would chase "Japanese Zeros " down with them. Uhhmmm how the heck did he find a 40mm barrel, I don't think Wal-mart carries those anymore...lol...
Can this cannon be put on a tank?
It wouldn’t be a practical tank gun. It’s totally obsolete by the WW1 era.
Britain made a lot of money from the American civil war
They cashed in on our national misfortune. No wonder mom hated them 🇮🇪
@@billhuber2964 it wasn,t all of us , a shame that your mom hated a whole nation because of it
Should be tight ,for more power !!
И ГЛАВНОЕ, ЧТО ВЫСТРЕЛА ТАК И НЕ СДЕЛАЛИ! ВИДНО ВРАГОВ УБИВАЛ ИХ ТРЁП!!!
Musket caps would be more authentic...
Beautiful! I thought about making a 20mm black powder cannon to shoot those blue 20mm practice rounds but when I tried to find out about legality it seems like it would be classified as a DD destructive device. Is this a DD?
Shane K No it's not a DD. The fact that it's primed externally and does not shoot a complete cartridge keeps it off the DD list
***** The only place where Canadian firearms laws are better than the US. No restriction on how large a round can be. You could buy a pak 40 and have it count as a non-restricted long gun. Of course you could only shoot solid rounds, if you wanted explosives you would have to apply for a permit.
@@SliC3oFicE this didnt age well.
Disappointed you didn't fire it.
Check out my other videos. They show us shooting it several times.
Yeah, thanks Piute, I found it after I'd commented. Pretty impressive shooting!
Thank you I glad you enjoyed it
Cade o tiro?? 💥
No not Julie . DEWAYNE
24 minutos para ver que? Va negativo y no hay próxima. Suerte!
are you seriously trying to speak Spanish on this video lmao
@@AuclzFTW Tienes algún idioma preferido?
@@victorgonzalez1564 tacos?
@@AuclzFTW Mucho tiempo libre Auclaire? No sabes a quién molestar? Busca tranquilo, que el mundo es grande!
@@victorgonzalez1564 el no sabe
Talk a glass eye.....
Eai beleza?
I have just watched that dreary monotone dross waiting for the gun muzzle to speak ,the powder to ignite, then the cannonball( s) to fly but NO!!!!.What was the bloody point of all that? There wasn't even a fissle. Even that mutt in the video got fed up and keeled over ,semi comatose! Oh well perhaps next time !.
Fuck you don't watch it
zzzzz
废话真多，一炮也不开
Bla, Bla, Bla, Bla, 🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱🥱
fuck you don't watch it
Why the hell would you use 3FFF grain powder in a damn cannon when it is for small pistols only . 3 0r 2 F is used in cannons only when no shot is used to make noise only. you could produce too much pressure in the gun Cannon powder is the size of blasting powder.
+Charles Barnett I shoot all my cannons with 3f even the 3" guns. Nothing else burns at a consistent rate. everybody I know has evolved to shot 3f . Even in 58 caliber rifles. A friend of mine is one of the largest sellers of black powder on the west coast and he sells 3f almost exclusively. 3f in small pistols only, is an old wives tail. My gun was proofed with 3 pounds of 3f. I shoot 10 to 12 oz. at the shoots and I won all but one shoot in the last 5 years. The guy that beat me was shooting 3f also. If you have a good gun it will shoot better. I have shot over 3000 rounds almost all with 3f. I shot a 5 shot group at 400 yards with my 3" Whitworth that measured 7 1/2 inches. try that with 1f.
piutesteve bullshit i shoot 1f all cannons is the best u idiot