The classroom they are in is Susan's classroom at school the book that Ace picks up is the same book susan puts down in the classroom before going on the Doctor's 1st adventure with her two teachers, so 7 turns up just not long after 1 leaves for his first adventure
You've GOTTA watch The Curse of Fenric. Hell, just watch all of the last two McCoy seasons. They're all pretty Ace,... no pun intended. For me it was a second (Third?) Golden Age. Even Battlefield - his weakest of 25/26 - had great production, which lifted it from obscurity. But Remembrance, Fenric, Greatest Show, Happiness Patrol (Which I ADORE), Ghostlight (Creeepy,.. though mad as a box of frogs) and Survival: I could watch any one of them on repeat for years and never get bored.
No there was no general downfall of TV that cancelled Dr Who. In general it had lower ratings, had been kicked out of its normal schedule, and was generally seen as a bit of an embarassment by the BBC management of the time that seemed to want to see the BBC packed with loftier drama, and scifi definitely didnt have the mainstream 'legit' audience that it does now. Also some american shows were coming over, like TNG and making the low budget look even lower by comparison.
Also Michael Grade who was controller at the time was embarrassed by a colleague at rival channel when he remarked how old fashioned the BBC had become. Still making a ancient shows like Doctor Who.
The reason for the “remembrance” in the title is this is the 25th anniversary special. That’s why there are so many call backs to the original series in 1963.
Bizarrely, it's not even that really! Yes, it ends up very much looking that way in retrospect, set in November 1963, tons of callbacks to the first serial and Who in general, but technically Silver Nemesis is supposed to be the 25th anniversary story, the title referencing the silver anniversary. But that story really does feel like a half baked, lesser remake of this one with the Cybermen instead of Daleks, so it's Remembrance that gets (heh) remembered as the anniversary story.
@@Joey15811 It's implied that a Dalek takes off in "The Chase", but it isn't actually shown on screen. This scene in "Remembrance" was thus the first time a Dalek was seen to levitate unaided. The effect was achieved by men physically hoisting the Dalek on two scaffolding poles that had been rammed into the Dalek's side. With practical ingenuity like that, who needs CGI?
The thing that killed classic dr who was the controller of bbc1: Michael grade. He hated dr who and wanted rid. He jumped on every and any issue the show faced. Eventually he scheduled dr who opposite a show on itv called coronation street - which was Britain’s biggest prime time soap. Dr who went from having 6-7m rating to dropping to 3-4m; he then used the ratings decline as an excuse to cancel the show because it had become comparatively expensive in lAter years. Had grade not been controlled, dr who would likely have continued and perhaps survived long enough until the general sci fi revival of the late 90s.
37:30 _"I wonder what they_ (Davison & Baker) _would be like in a Dalek episode!"_ *You should definitely watch Resurrection... (21x4)& Revelation of the Daleks (22x6) then!*
I would recommend Attack of the Cybermen over Revelation of the Daleks when it comes to the 6th doctor as for story and it ties in very nicely with Resurrection of the Daleks
Both Davison and Colin Baker had Dalek stories 'Revelation of...' and 'Resurrection of...' both of which have Davros in. It was the 25th Anniversary season, so they wanted to refer back to where it all started
The whole epsiode is about racism, Radcliffe is a Nazi ("We were on the wrong side in the last war"). This subtext is made really clear in the novelisation published by Target Books.
So much stuff going on in this story, never a dull moment. Glad you both enjoyed it. All the references to An Uneaarthly Child, more Dalek lore and earning more Time-Lord/Omega lore. Then there were commentaries on racism and sexual liberation ...all alongside the actual plot. Havent seen anyone mention it yet ... the guy in the cafe who's grandfather was a kane-cutter was played by the actor who played Jeffrey the butler in Fresh Prince of Bel-Air ... I'm assumimg you know that show, starring Wil Smith. Then of course, the Coal Hill School headmaster was played by the actor who played Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back ... choked to death by Darth Vader. Your Dad's interpretation of the Falklands War is very much an outsider's view of what really happened. It may have just been a few people on a handful of small rocks to him, but to us it was about defending British citizens and way of life from an invading military force ... at what number of people does it become important to protect them ? How would the US react to a military invasion of Hawaii ?
Comments like that are odd to me as an 80's child seeing as Vauxhall was a common staple while I was growing up. Time is a funny thing, which is why the 60's-centric themes were nice in this episode. They made every effort to make it look, sound and feel accurate for the time period, while also feeling like a very modern episode.
I have to say that this is my favourite story of all time. And what’s more, I really enjoyed this reaction video. The Renegade faction was established in the previous Dalek story, “Revelation of the Daleks” (1985).
That's a good shout actually. They're definitely the three Doctor's most similar to each other. Kinda like how 10 had a healthy influence of 3 and 4 in his Doctor, which are incidentally my two favourite classic Doctors and 10 is my favourite Doctor of all time.
@@iain9757 He says 4 and 5 are his two favourites and even though I can see some 5 in 10 because of how human 10 could be; I still think 3 and 4 had more of an influence on Tennant's performance. Pertwee's morality, frustration with authority figures/military and T.Baker's arrogance and flippant one liners.
@@fortyfive9163 I don't know how a combination of 7 + 8 would work, they're such different Doctors. It would certainly be interesting to see. You don't think 4 had an influence on Tennant's performance? For me it's 10 = 3+ early 4 + late 5 + late 6
MrAzmatMahmood I think that McCoy and Smith are probably the two doctors whose characters develop the most, becoming more darker and serious in every series. And that’s a good thing.
Sylvester McCoy is a very humorous chap in real life. I remember meeting him at a convention for a photo shoot with Peter Davison, Colin Baker and Paul McGann where he said; "This is the fun bit!" just as we posed for the picture. He even carried an umbrella like in the show, which was a nice touch. While I don't watch McCoy's stories often, he's growing on me just like Colin Baker. But like Colin its a damn shame that he didn't get many stories. Had Michael Grade not been so disliking of the show we may have at least gotten a grand finale for both Colin and McCoy. Oh well.
At least 4 big things came out of this story, daleks can levitate, skaro destroyed, the iconic ripples scene & everyone's favorite of unlimited rice pudding
Yes, this is the same school that Susan attended and in which Ian and Barbara taught. The school returns a number of times throughout Who and is the setting for the spin-off 'Class'. As you surmised, this story must take place very shortly after 'An Unearthly Child' (which aired, of course, the day after the Kennedy assassination).
I was a kid in the 80s and I love the style and music of the Seventh Doctor stories, he is very dark and perhaps the most scheming of all Doctors as you find out his plans span all time and space and he is always 2 steps ahead of everyone
Some random thoughts on the episode/reaction: - The Black Dalek isn't directly connected to Dalek Sec; in Classic Who, black is the colour worn by members of the Supreme Council. It's possible that Sec was on the Council, or of equivalent rank. - The symbol on the gravestone, ω, is just a lowercase omega. - Ace is the best. -All the Dalek episodes between _Genesis of the Daleks_ and this one form a loose arc which explains the two Dalek factions. The basic chain of events is: Daleks resurrect Davros to serve as an advisor in their war against the Movellans -> The Dalek-Movellan war ends with both sides almost completely destroyed -> Davros attempts to rebuild by converting humans into Daleks. The Supreme Council, also rebuilding the Daleks from Kaled stock, considers this to be treason. Thus begins a Dalek civil war.
7 and Ace is one of my all time favourite Doctor/Companion partnerships. McCoy is just wonderful. There's so much toying with the show's mythology going on in this story. You enjoyed it now, but when you've seen all of Classic Who (ha!) you'll likely enjoy it even more.
on the dvd commentary I believe they said that they did lower the actual full sized dalek shuttle down. Also, the first ever dalek flight wasn't done using a light stunt dalek. They mounted a full weight dalek onto the wall and sent it up.
I'm old enough to remember the first series. The Daleks had me hiding behind the sofa - that's not a myth - and 56 years later I feel the same impulse whenever one of them appears on the screen. What made the Daleks all the more sinister in their original incarnations is that the death rays they fired were invisible. The camera would focus on a twitching 'limb' and then the director would cut to a negative image of some unfortunate cast member screaming in agony as they died. An example of how a limited budget can bring the very best out of creative minds.
The Falklands War was about self-determination. The population is around 3,000. The Falkland Islanders had been canvassed as to their wishes and had overwhelmingly rejected the possibility of a transfer to Argentinian control or to shared sovereignty between the UK and Argentina which had been floated in the late 70s. The UK government managed, however, to give the impression that they weren't too concerned about the islands, in particular by announcing the decommissioning of the Antarctic Survey vessel HMS Endurance which was the only significant military presence in the South Atlantic. I was serving in the Royal Air Force at the time of the Falklands War and it was really a close thing. Launching an attack on a entrenched enemy at the end of a 8,000 mile supply line was at the limit of resources and technical capability. Even to assemble the flotilla required the requisition of civilian vessels taken under naval orders, most famously the container vessel Atlantic Conveyor which was sunk by the Argentinian Air Force with the loss of 12 lives and, significantly for the conduct of the land campaign, 10 helicopters. This loss meant that the ground forces instead of being airlifted into battle were forced to march across the width of the island before engaging the Argentine forces. The Argentinian Air Force was mainly equipped with French manufactured aircraft and missiles against which, of course, the RAF and Royal Navy had not anticipated fighting. How much this was a factor in the success of the aerial attacks is debatable but it surely cannot have helped. The British forces were mainly limited in air defence capability by the lack of full size carriers; only the (subsonic) VSTOL Harrier could operate from the small carriers then in the fleet and there was also no carrier launched airborne early warning and control. One of the most remarkable feats, although largely psychological in impact, was a series of strikes on Port Stanley airfield (the only surfaced runway) and the associated radar systems by Vulcan bombers. Flying from Ascension Island (a British territory with an airbase operated jointly be the RAF and USAF) they flew a 16 hour round trip of over 6,000 miles refuelled by a fleet of 11 tanker aircraft (half the UK air to air refuelling capability) some of which were there simply to refuel the other tankers. Bearing in mind that both the Vulcan bombers and Victor tankers had started life in the 1950s as strategic nuclear bombers it was amazing they managed to make the journey, much less deliver their payloads. The Falkland Islands were best known (if known at all) for their sheep which produced high quality wool. Historically, the islands had been important as a coaling station for passing ships and as a base for whaling operations (actually centred on South Georgia--an even more remote island dependency of the Falklands).
In season 20 they did a special called 'The Five Doctors' where they had another actor (Richard Hurndall, I think) who played the first doctor as William Hartnell had died.
love these reactions with you and your dad and the review at the end! hes such a clever man and you have some great conversations! would love love love to see you and your dad give Colin and peter another go one day, i'd recomment 'the caves of androzani' for peter davison as its such a heroic tale and a great character piece. and for Colin i'd suggest 'attack of the cybermen' or 'revelation of the daleks' (preferably 'attack of the cybermen' as you've done a lot of dalek stories haha). fingers crossed this can happen one day :D
The UK created and used the imperial system until 1971 when it adopted the French metric system, as we prepared to join the EEC in 1973, the prequel to the EU created in 1993.
I have quite vivid memories of seeing this on broadcast at 8 years old. Mostly of the Dalek materialising in the school basement transmat - and the bit where you can see its transparent insides. "Ma - i can see the alien's guts and i don't like it!"
Not factual, I'm afraid, programmes such as Wogan, Nine O'Clock News, Open Air, and whole lot more BBC programmes were using CGI opening titles in 1985 and 1986. Astonishing to think that the McCoy title sequence took around 7 weeks to program and piece together. There are now faithful recreations of the same titles on UA-cam that are now programmable and made in as little as 3 days.
@@SGlitz Forbidden Planet (1956) was the first full electronic score. soundcloud.com/the-mekon/forbidden-planet-main-theme-1956?in=the-mekon/sets/future-perfect-sci-fi
The callbacks to the earlier seasons were indeed because this was the first story from their 25th anniversary season. Unlike other anniversaries, there was no multi-doctor story (The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors) for the anniversary. The third story, which aired on the anniversary of the premiere, was entitled 'The Silver Nemesis'.
The 7th Doctor at about this time is 953 years old and in the books he celebrates his 1000th birthday. Which is odd when you consider the fact that that means the 7th Doctor is older than the 9th Doctor
There’s a short story in Doctor who magazine where Ace goes to visit a lady in a psychiatric hospital. It’s moving as the reveal at the end is the patient is the young girl.
Fun fact in the original Script, the Renegade daleks where blue in colour and the Impirials where red. Also your dad was right about how they filmed the shuttle landing at the school, it was a hollow wood and fiberglass shell, that was lowered by Crane into the playground.
yup, the prop even held about 4 Dalek props in it. numerous takes were done of them exiting... one of which had the SWD. Dalek6388 has recently stumbled upon some unseen footage in the making of Remembrance. Including a dissection of what the originally scripted Ratcliffe Yard fight would've looked like!
This is Aces first trip in the Tardis. She is by far the best companion in dr who history and got a lot of focus without it becoming the Ace Show like someone else
Unless you're talking about Rose, Martha or Donna I'm not sure what you mean and I don't think they took over the show. I'll assume you mean in the future or a classic companion. Guess I'll find out someday!
You’re dad was correct… The date this takes place in was the date that the first episode aired… the first episode aired the day that Kennedy was killed
The 7th doctor Sylvester McCoy is one of the more darker and mysterious doctors in his last series run but in this he was more clown like and more resembles Patrick Troughtons Doctor
The 7th Doctor specifically chose to come back to 1963; just after the 1st Doctor left (along with Ian, Barbara and Susan) to concoct an elaborate plan to lure the Daleks to Earth using the hand of Omega (that he had hidden as the 1st Doctor hundreds of years ago) in order to destroy the Daleks once for all. Or so he thought. The 7th Doctor is a bit of a chess master, who likes to keep his enemies and even his friends in the dark as to his true intentions. He can be quite ruthless and manipulative, as you saw at the end when he goaded Davros into using the hand of Omega because he knew that it would only end up destroying the Daleks and Skaro. I really can't see any other Doctor coming up with a plan that devious and ruthless.
It's interesting how dark 7 can be but he hasn't gone through the Time War which is the explanation now for The Doctor's dark side. Obviously, the Time War wasn't a concept yet but it fascinating to look at it in hindsight.
@@7thHourFilms The 7th Doctor was supposed to bring back a lot of the mystery behind the Doctor's character that had been lost as Doctor Who went on. There were lots of subtle hints throughout his era (even some in this story that you might've missed) that there was much more to the Doctor than meets the eye and that he was a much more powerful figure than we had ever previously thought. Quite like the modern era in that respect, although new Who has never went as far. I think 7 is still the darkest Doctor, he would get even darker as his era went on. Then, that side of him was even further explored in novels and audio stories. I would say that McCoy's Doctor and his era had arguably the biggest impact on new Who out of all the classic Doctors. In fact, the 7th Doctor's actions in this story are said to lead directly into the time war. It's even believed that RTD took a lot of inspiration from Ace for Rose's character.
@@7thHourFilms BTW, I should warn you that the next 7th Doctor story you're doing is Ghost Light, which is even more (a lot more) of a mind fuck than Kinda was. Looking forward to that reaction, lol.
As long as it's fun we should be alright. Kinda was slow and less exciting like An Unearthly Child but really confusing. Either way, I'm looking forward to more 7!
@@7thHourFilms Ghost Light is definitely not slow at only 3 parts long. It's actually one of the few classic Who stories that many people think should be longer to allow the story to breathe a bit. Many people think there's too many ideas crammed into 3 parts and the story moves far too quickly to really focus on any of them properly. Still, it should be fun to watch your reactions. I quite like it, even if I have no what's going on or really what's it's all about. 😂
The first time Darleks levitate! It used to be a joke where people woukd constantly take the mic out of Darleks because you could just run up the stairs and...not anymore. Probably one of the best classic cliff hangers
Technically you can see one flying in Revelation from Colin's run but it's at a weird angle from behind, badly composited and promptly blows up so it's often overlooked.
The Renegade Dalek's are indeed the original non-augmented version - the one's which exterminate Davros in Genesis. It wasn't fully explained in this episode, but there is history behind the Dalek civil war, so Remembrance gets extra kudos if you've seen the likes of Genesis, Revelation, etc - but you can still enjoy the episode without all the breadcrumbs.
Hmmm, November 23 1989 (the 25th anniversary of doctor who) was The Silver Nemesis. The 20th anniversary episode was The 5 Doctors *Edited for fuzzy math late at night thanks @Forbidden multiverse
I’m afraid you are mistaken. The Five Doctors (23/11/1983) was the 20th anniversary, Silver Nemesis (23/11/1988) was the 25th anniversary. Though I will forever consider Remembrance to be the true anniversary, regardless of air date.
@@Indigo_Polarity you're right, the 5 Doctors was the 20th anniversity episode, which would make November 3rd 89' the 25th year (fuzzy math late at night 😳), but I thought Remembrance aired throughout October and Silver started its run time on exactly November 23rd
So after Caves of Androzani & Genesis of the Daleks. This is up there with Tomb of the Cybermen in the “here’s classic stuff to watch for a new Who fan”
Trivia: Sophie Aldred, who payed Ace, went on to a successful career, among other things, as a voice actor. One of the shows on which she worked was a children's animated series 'Tree Fu Tom' where she voiced the lead character (in the UK release) and her side-lick Twigs was voiced by another actor who should be familiar to Who fans, David Tennant.
The Character of Omega has been around since the 3rd doctor serial (and 10th anniversary special) The Three Doctors if you watch that serial you get more backstory
Captain Kangaroo's theme from the TV set. But a little visit to Wikipedia discloses that the tune was 'Puffin' Billy' (1952) by Edward White, and was used by the BBC for a radio children's programme until 1966. It is kind of neat that babyboomers on both sides of the pond associate this tune with their childhoods.
The Falklands Islands were thought to be of strategic importance when we have the technical ability to mine Antarctica for it's supposed concentration of valuable minerals and oil reserves.
Thatcher was unpopular with the working classes by using the wealth of the North Sea oil to "break" the unions and decimate the steel and coal mining industries thereby causing mass unemployment. The Falkland War was seen as an attack on a British dependency and therefor an attack on Britain itself consequently was considered a "just" war at the time and even now rather than the last hurrah of a declined empire. This is in contrast with recent blunders in the Middle East. Maybe in future years when there is a battle of nations for the resources Antarctica has to offer the opinion in this War will be reavaluated.
The Falklands were never inhabited till the Scottish sheep farmers moved there. I do understand your point of view and agree with much of it but genuinely think the Falklands war was different.
Glad you enjoyed this episode the white imperial daleks were created to be davros’s loyal guards and obey him completely but it’s nice to see different factions/groups of the daleks
I love this Dalek story, and I do really like Sylvester McCoy as the doctor too. Hope you watch another Peter Davison story at some point as he has some real gem episodes.
So after this story, there were still daleks there. The supreme dalek at the time was going to make use of a factory but that ship crashed. What happened after takes place in Power of The Daleks, Patrick Troughton's first story. Due to some things that happened in the Big Finish audios, what originally happened to Davros was erased by the 8th Doctor so I'll just go off of the new timeline. After this story, Davros basically battered completely, his mind split into two himself and the emperor dalek. In the story I'm talking about (pretty sure it was an audioo don't remember or the name said story) he puts the doctor through hell but eventually, the emperor dalek part won and he converted himself into a dalek mutant (Fans speculate that emperor dalek we see in the finale of season 1 of modern Doctor Who was once the original Davros). This begs the question how was he killed in time war and how did he return in season 4? I can contue if you want unless you are going to buy Big Finish's Time War four boxset which explains that part. It's good and Davros is played by Terry Meloy who plays him in Remembrance and the last two previous dalek stories which also explains the whole imperial and renegade dalek thing.
So you know how the Daleks killed Darvos, he survived and realised “oh I’ve made them think they are superior and they won’t obey me” so later he created Daleks loyal to him which are the white ones.
In the muscle discussion you totally missed Leela, the like of Barbara Tegan and particularly Sarah take a lot of the credit but Leela and Ace were the true mould breakers.
Very good reaction. I'm pleased that you both enjoyed this story so much as it's one of my favorites. The story is indeed set in 1963 because of the 25th anniversary. The symbol on the tombstone that you thought looked like a stylized W was the Greek letter Omega. I can't answer your questions about the Imperial Daleks without going into spoilers, I'll just say the answers are in Classic Who. It'll be interesting to see your take on the Peter Cushing films, be warned that they are very different from the Doctor Who that you know in a lot of ways. Why did the Classic series go off the air? The (very) short answer is that it was badly mismanaged for the last few years of its life. (BBC executive Michael Grade developed a real animosity towards the show and was kind of trying to kill it) Eventually, another BBC executive, Jonathan Powell decided that the show should be turned over to an outside production company that would be prepared to give it a larger budget, and theoretically manage it better. Unfortunately, the new version, the TV movie you're going to watch next, didn't really succeed. It earned high ratings in the UK, but in America it was shown on Fox during May sweeps and was clobbered in the ratings, so a new series didn't materialize at the time. Doctor Who would remain in production limbo until Russell T Davies launched the revived series in 2005
In one of the nuwho reactions Alex scoffed at a way a British newsreader pronouced an American place name(can't remember which one) and since then has been corrected in how he says Davros
It was how the guy said Pentagon (which British people have told me is suppose to be no different from how Americans say it). I still have trouble with Davros but I'm willing to accept it since it's not a normal name. What I won't back down on is Aluminum and I got crap for that in Midnight. Pronunciations are fun!
I think this one is called remembrance for being remembering the beginning of the show - coal hill school etc Personally I’d of called this war of the Daleks or Fractions of the Daleks Kennedy was killed the day the first dr who episode aired
To be strictly accurate, Peter Cushing did not play the first Doctor. Rather, he played an eccentric (human) inventor called Dr Who who just happens to have invented a time machine shaped like a police box. So, definitely not canon, but quite fun.
if you get the chance you should give the novel lungbarrow a read, it covers the mystery of who this doctor is as this season dropped a lot of hints that the doctor is not who we thought he was, and when it comes to Ace to Doctor did indeed use her which is covered in the great story The Curse of fenric, Ace in the novels gets really interesting.
To be honest I don't know why Kinda was the 5th Doctor story you were asked to watch, I do know some people actually really like it, but I think there are much better options.
This is fanon, but in the novels, the Eighth Doctor (then well over a thousand and couple hundred) wakes up on Earth at the start of the twentieth century without his memory and lives 100 years before getting his TARDIS and companion, but NOT his memory. My head theory is even when he did get them back, he was still on his new, amnesia age counting, had plenty of adventures and eventually the Time War in that time, and when Aliens of London happens, it is 900 years after The Burning for the Doctor.
My top 20 Classic Doctor Who (which changes frequently, LOL) 1 - (078) - Genesis of the Daleks 2 - (135) - The Caves of Androzani 3 - (105) - City of Death 4 - (090) - Robots of Death 5 - (082) - Pyramids of Mars 6 - (076) - The Ark in Space 7 - (092) - Horror of Fang Rock 8 - (054) - Inferno 9 - (030) - The Power of the Daleks 10 - (080) - Terror of the Zygons 11 - (069) - The Green Death 12 - (085) - The Seeds of Doom 13 - (091) - The Talons of Weng-Chiang 14 - (121) - Earthshock 15 - (050) - The War Games 16 - (046) - The Invasion 17 - (154) - The Curse of Fenric 18 - (040) - The Enemy of the World 19 - (084) - The Brain of Morbius 20 - (138) - Vengeance on Varos
Xtra Spice Mikey - the story/serial number. I had that list written already and just copy/pasted. I could probably move Earthshock higher. I move them around from time to time after I see one again.
Dr who was cancelled because the boss of the BBC at the time just hated the show and due to that and general interest going down after the hiatus after season 22 it pretty much led to the end of the show until 2005
As far as I understand it, although the production value had increased, the ratings were pretty much in the toilet for much of the late eighties. Also, quite a number of stories, including this one, which is probs one of the best from this era, were VERY heavily referential to stories that had aired decades prior, which most apart from the most devoted whovians would have forgotten about. And it wasn't really accessible to kids, who hadn't even been alive at the time these previous stories were aired. They tried to save it in the last season or so, but ultimately, from peter davisons later seasons and onwards, it seemed fairly obvious that the shows time was limited... and Michael Grade, the head commissioner for Drama at the BBC (or some title like that) was known to have been pretty anti-who for a while leading up to him ultimately playing a role in cancelling the show, thinking the British Broadcasting Corporation should be focusing on more high-end serious period drama, rather than a 'silly' kids sci-fi show...
Not true, he hated “period” drama as well. He wanted BBC1 (of which he was channel controller) to have more “ITV” style drama. He had climbed the greasy TV pole at major ITV station London Weekend Television, helped greatly by his uncle being the head of another major ITV station Associated Television and was poached by the BBC in 1984 as the BBC1 ratings had mostly been really, really bad against ITV’s for a couple of years, since about 1980/81, to the point where the then Tory government of Thatcher was seriously questioning and reviewing the purpose of the TV Licence if the BBC was making shows that not many people were watching. By 1980/81, ITV had mainly given up on home-made sci-fi and were reliant on US imports. Michael Grade used his experience and “ITV” way of thinking to revitalise BBC1’s drama. In came more present-day drama like Big Deal, Edge Of Darkness and Maelstrom. Out went most of the period drama and all sci-fi (or he tried to, Who didn’t actually die until two years after he left. When Grade was controller of BBC1, the head of drama was Jonathan Powell, who held similar views towards it. After MG left for C4 in early 1987, JP replaced him and Michael Cregeen was brought over from another ITV station (I think Thames Television???) to replace him as Head of Drama. Cregeen called time on the show but I think his decision to do that was more objective, level-headed and stats-driven than opinion-driven like Grade’s and Powell’s drives to get rid of Who were. After Who, I don’t think there was any sci-fi series on *BBC1* until BUGS in 1995, barring a Planet of the Daleks repeat in late 1993! BBC2 had loads of sci-fi during that period, which shows it was seen as being intended for a minority audience by that point.
This was indeed the last appearance of the Daleks in the classic series. I believe Russel T Davies during the time he was running Tennants era said something to the affect that he considers this episode the first act of the Time War, it's early beginnings. Davros speaks a lot about sweeping away Gallifrey and the Daleks becoming the Lords of time.
I thought it was _Genesis of the Daleks_ that RTD said was the start of the Time War. The war _officially_ began following the extermination of Phaidon, but the increased Dalek aggression which led to that was a response to the Time Lords' attempt to avert their creation (which, in turn, was a response to the Dalek invasion of the Matrix). Of course, with this being a _Time_ war, the concept of a "first act" is pretty meaningless anyway.
Queen Elizabeth was a huge fan of Doctor Who. By "total coincidence," Michael Grade - the BBC controller who cancelled Doctor Who - is the only BBC controller in history not to have been knighted.
The 7th Doctor stories that you should react to are Battlefeild The curse of fenric Ghostslight and last story of classic who Survival If you want to find out why there are renegade daleks then you will need to watch all the dalek stories from Genesis of the daleks.
This is my 2nd favourite story after The War Games from Patrick Troughton years Ace is my all time favourite companion The Dalek stories from Genesis all kind of have a story leading up to this one
Whilst that's true in 60s and 70s who, by this point the dalek empire had crumbled due to the movellan virus, civil war and lack of adaptability, so the idea of the daleks being pushed back to just skaro isn't unrealistic at all
I love the seventh Doctor (his first season wasn't very good because the sacking of Colin Baker and the writers didn't know how to write for Sylvester) who could be silly, but dispense justice to the Daleks. They deliberately made him darker and if they had done a 27th season in 1990, the was going to hint that the Doctor was more than just a time lord, maybe a godlike being. This story would've happened after Barbara and Ian had left in the Tardis and the 1st Doctor left behind the hand of Omega. Did you notice that Foreman was misspelt on the gate (Forman instead of Foreman)?
There was some sort of agreement where the Daleks had to at least appear in every season of the doctor (though after the Evil of the Daleks, they didn't appear for 5 years then they made an appearance in every season again) This is a great opener for Sylvester McCoy 😁👍 However, as for the reason for the Doctor Who cancelation, I blame on a decline of good writing, worthy of Doctor Who (Tom Baker's last few seasons, Davison's first season, half of Colin Baker's era, and most of Sylvester McCoy's era) this was the opener of his second season, his best season imo (However, the destruction of Skaro was taken by Tery Nation as an extreme insult)
When Doctor Who first started the Heads of the BBC wanted to get rid of it. The gave the Doctor Who Team the worst and smallest Studio they had. They also only gave them £2000 for wages, costumes etc. There have been 3 Scottish Doctors and I liked them the best. Sylvester, in my opinion, was great as the Doctor. I loved his attitude. You should watch a number of his stories. There were different coloured Daleks. Each colour represented what they did.
Big Finish now have at least two seasons featuring the further adventures of Rachel, Allison and "Chunky" Gilmore as the "Counter-Measures team" fighting sci-fi menaces in the 1960s. A lot of your general questions relate to earlier classic stories, so we can't answer them without spoiling those episodes, but you would have understood the story a bit more if you'd watched Revelation of the Daleks instead of Vengeance on Varos. Actually, that's one of countless reasons why you'd have been better off watching Revelation of the Daleks instead of Vengeance on Varos.
The classroom they are in is Susan's classroom at school the book that Ace picks up is the same book susan puts down in the classroom before going on the Doctor's 1st adventure with her two teachers, so 7 turns up just not long after 1 leaves for his first adventure
The Seventh Doctor is dark, hilarious, silly, with a touch of cruelty to him which easily makes him my favourite classic Who Doctor.
You've GOTTA watch The Curse of Fenric.
Hell, just watch all of the last two McCoy seasons. They're all pretty Ace,... no pun intended.
For me it was a second (Third?) Golden Age. Even Battlefield - his weakest of 25/26 - had great production, which lifted it from obscurity. But Remembrance, Fenric, Greatest Show, Happiness Patrol (Which I ADORE), Ghostlight (Creeepy,.. though mad as a box of frogs) and Survival: I could watch any one of them on repeat for years and never get bored.
My sentiments exactly
No there was no general downfall of TV that cancelled Dr Who. In general it had lower ratings, had been kicked out of its normal schedule, and was generally seen as a bit of an embarassment by the BBC management of the time that seemed to want to see the BBC packed with loftier drama, and scifi definitely didnt have the mainstream 'legit' audience that it does now. Also some american shows were coming over, like TNG and making the low budget look even lower by comparison.
Also Michael Grade who was controller at the time was embarrassed by a colleague at rival channel when he remarked how old fashioned the BBC had become. Still making a ancient shows like Doctor Who.
@@thevirgologychannel6215 He wasn’t controller of BBC1 at the time, he left for Channel 4 in early 1987.
This was the 25th Anniversary Season - That's why they went with 1963 and all the callbacks!
The reason for the “remembrance” in the title is this is the 25th anniversary special. That’s why there are so many call backs to the original series in 1963.
Bizarrely, it's not even that really! Yes, it ends up very much looking that way in retrospect, set in November 1963, tons of callbacks to the first serial and Who in general, but technically Silver Nemesis is supposed to be the 25th anniversary story, the title referencing the silver anniversary. But that story really does feel like a half baked, lesser remake of this one with the Cybermen instead of Daleks, so it's Remembrance that gets (heh) remembered as the anniversary story.
The first time a Dalek flew. Those who say 2005 is the first time didn’t do any research
Also the first time the skeleton is seen when an extermination happens
Don’t they kinda fly in the Chase ?
@@Joey15811 It's implied that a Dalek takes off in "The Chase", but it isn't actually shown on screen. This scene in "Remembrance" was thus the first time a Dalek was seen to levitate unaided. The effect was achieved by men physically hoisting the Dalek on two scaffolding poles that had been rammed into the Dalek's side. With practical ingenuity like that, who needs CGI?
ftumschk I know this is the first proper flying dalek
Revelation of the Daleks shows Davros levitating.
Left out the best part On The Reaction Unlimited Rice Pudding
Ect, ect.
The thing that killed classic dr who was the controller of bbc1: Michael grade. He hated dr who and wanted rid. He jumped on every and any issue the show faced. Eventually he scheduled dr who opposite a show on itv called coronation street - which was Britain’s biggest prime time soap. Dr who went from having 6-7m rating to dropping to 3-4m; he then used the ratings decline as an excuse to cancel the show because it had become comparatively expensive in lAter years. Had grade not been controlled, dr who would likely have continued and perhaps survived long enough until the general sci fi revival of the late 90s.
Oh and just to say that Bernard Cribbins was in the second Cushing movie as Tom. While Roy Castle played Ian in the first movie.
37:30 _"I wonder what they_ (Davison & Baker) _would be like in a Dalek episode!"_
*You should definitely watch Resurrection... (21x4)& Revelation of the Daleks (22x6) then!*
I would recommend Attack of the Cybermen over Revelation of the Daleks when it comes to the 6th doctor as for story and it ties in very nicely with Resurrection of the Daleks
Ace was a Hard case one of my Favorite Companions a bit of a rebel who did things her way
Both Davison and Colin Baker had Dalek stories 'Revelation of...' and 'Resurrection of...' both of which have Davros in.
It was the 25th Anniversary season, so they wanted to refer back to where it all started
The whole epsiode is about racism, Radcliffe is a Nazi ("We were on the wrong side in the last war"). This subtext is made really clear in the novelisation published by Target Books.
So much stuff going on in this story, never a dull moment. Glad you both enjoyed it. All the references to An Uneaarthly Child, more Dalek lore and earning more Time-Lord/Omega lore. Then there were commentaries on racism and sexual liberation ...all alongside the actual plot.
Havent seen anyone mention it yet ... the guy in the cafe who's grandfather was a kane-cutter was played by the actor who played Jeffrey the butler in Fresh Prince of Bel-Air ... I'm assumimg you know that show, starring Wil Smith.
Then of course, the Coal Hill School headmaster was played by the actor who played Admiral Ozzel in The Empire Strikes Back ... choked to death by Darth Vader.
Your Dad's interpretation of the Falklands War is very much an outsider's view of what really happened. It may have just been a few people on a handful of small rocks to him, but to us it was about defending British citizens and way of life from an invading military force ... at what number of people does it become important to protect them ? How would the US react to a military invasion of Hawaii ?
There is an audio spinoff series with the military/science characters from this serial called Counter Measures!
I'm really enjoying your Dad's commentary with all of the historical context. Like I can't believe he recognized a Vauxhall of all things!
We had a Vauxhall Victor for the three years we lived in East Anglia. The license plate read "WGP 1".
Comments like that are odd to me as an 80's child seeing as Vauxhall was a common staple while I was growing up. Time is a funny thing, which is why the 60's-centric themes were nice in this episode. They made every effort to make it look, sound and feel accurate for the time period, while also feeling like a very modern episode.
I have to say that this is my favourite story of all time. And what’s more, I really enjoyed this reaction video. The Renegade faction was established in the previous Dalek story, “Revelation of the Daleks” (1985).
The reason for the year 1963 and all the calllbacks was because this was the first episode of the season and was Doctor Who's 25th Anniversary.
Patrick Troughton + Sylvester McCoy=Matt Smith
That's a good shout actually. They're definitely the three Doctor's most similar to each other. Kinda like how 10 had a healthy influence of 3 and 4 in his Doctor, which are incidentally my two favourite classic Doctors and 10 is my favourite Doctor of all time.
MrAzmatMahmood isn’t Peter also one of David’s favourites
@@iain9757 He says 4 and 5 are his two favourites and even though I can see some 5 in 10 because of how human 10 could be; I still think 3 and 4 had more of an influence on Tennant's performance. Pertwee's morality, frustration with authority figures/military and T.Baker's arrogance and flippant one liners.
@@fortyfive9163 I don't know how a combination of 7 + 8 would work, they're such different Doctors. It would certainly be interesting to see. You don't think 4 had an influence on Tennant's performance? For me it's 10 = 3+ early 4 + late 5 + late 6
MrAzmatMahmood I think that McCoy and Smith are probably the two doctors whose characters develop the most, becoming more darker and serious in every series. And that’s a good thing.
Village of the Damned, btw, was based on the classic novel by John Wyndham, called The Midwich Cuckoos.
Yes ,one of the Best sci fi stories , mind games l call it , to be controlled by Alien Kids ,that is why they had to DIE.
"Space Vagrant" , LMAO
Sylvester McCoy is a very humorous chap in real life. I remember meeting him at a convention for a photo shoot with Peter Davison, Colin Baker and Paul McGann where he said; "This is the fun bit!" just as we posed for the picture. He even carried an umbrella like in the show, which was a nice touch.
While I don't watch McCoy's stories often, he's growing on me just like Colin Baker. But like Colin its a damn shame that he didn't get many stories. Had Michael Grade not been so disliking of the show we may have at least gotten a grand finale for both Colin and McCoy. Oh well.
At least 4 big things came out of this story, daleks can levitate, skaro destroyed, the iconic ripples scene & everyone's favorite of unlimited rice pudding
Yes, this is the same school that Susan attended and in which Ian and Barbara taught. The school returns a number of times throughout Who and is the setting for the spin-off 'Class'. As you surmised, this story must take place very shortly after 'An Unearthly Child' (which aired, of course, the day after the Kennedy assassination).
I was a kid in the 80s and I love the style and music of the Seventh Doctor stories, he is very dark and perhaps the most scheming of all Doctors as you find out his plans span all time and space and he is always 2 steps ahead of everyone
15:00 Remarkably, the school interiors _were_ shot in the studio, although you'd never guess it. The set-designer's attention to detail was amazing.
Some random thoughts on the episode/reaction:
- The Black Dalek isn't directly connected to Dalek Sec; in Classic Who, black is the colour worn by members of the Supreme Council. It's possible that Sec was on the Council, or of equivalent rank.
- The symbol on the gravestone, ω, is just a lowercase omega.
- Ace is the best.
-All the Dalek episodes between _Genesis of the Daleks_ and this one form a loose arc which explains the two Dalek factions. The basic chain of events is: Daleks resurrect Davros to serve as an advisor in their war against the Movellans -> The Dalek-Movellan war ends with both sides almost completely destroyed -> Davros attempts to rebuild by converting humans into Daleks. The Supreme Council, also rebuilding the Daleks from Kaled stock, considers this to be treason. Thus begins a Dalek civil war.
7 and Ace is one of my all time favourite Doctor/Companion partnerships. McCoy is just wonderful. There's so much toying with the show's mythology going on in this story. You enjoyed it now, but when you've seen all of Classic Who (ha!) you'll likely enjoy it even more.
on the dvd commentary I believe they said that they did lower the actual full sized dalek shuttle down. Also, the first ever dalek flight wasn't done using a light stunt dalek. They mounted a full weight dalek onto the wall and sent it up.
I'm old enough to remember the first series. The Daleks had me hiding behind the sofa - that's not a myth - and 56 years later I feel the same impulse whenever one of them appears on the screen.
What made the Daleks all the more sinister in their original incarnations is that the death rays they fired were invisible. The camera would focus on a twitching 'limb' and then the director would cut to a negative image of some unfortunate cast member screaming in agony as they died. An example of how a limited budget can bring the very best out of creative minds.
The Falklands War was about self-determination. The population is around 3,000. The Falkland Islanders had been canvassed as to their wishes and had overwhelmingly rejected the possibility of a transfer to Argentinian control or to shared sovereignty between the UK and Argentina which had been floated in the late 70s. The UK government managed, however, to give the impression that they weren't too concerned about the islands, in particular by announcing the decommissioning of the Antarctic Survey vessel HMS Endurance which was the only significant military presence in the South Atlantic.
I was serving in the Royal Air Force at the time of the Falklands War and it was really a close thing. Launching an attack on a entrenched enemy at the end of a 8,000 mile supply line was at the limit of resources and technical capability. Even to assemble the flotilla required the requisition of civilian vessels taken under naval orders, most famously the container vessel Atlantic Conveyor which was sunk by the Argentinian Air Force with the loss of 12 lives and, significantly for the conduct of the land campaign, 10 helicopters. This loss meant that the ground forces instead of being airlifted into battle were forced to march across the width of the island before engaging the Argentine forces.
The Argentinian Air Force was mainly equipped with French manufactured aircraft and missiles against which, of course, the RAF and Royal Navy had not anticipated fighting. How much this was a factor in the success of the aerial attacks is debatable but it surely cannot have helped. The British forces were mainly limited in air defence capability by the lack of full size carriers; only the (subsonic) VSTOL Harrier could operate from the small carriers then in the fleet and there was also no carrier launched airborne early warning and control.
One of the most remarkable feats, although largely psychological in impact, was a series of strikes on Port Stanley airfield (the only surfaced runway) and the associated radar systems by Vulcan bombers. Flying from Ascension Island (a British territory with an airbase operated jointly be the RAF and USAF) they flew a 16 hour round trip of over 6,000 miles refuelled by a fleet of 11 tanker aircraft (half the UK air to air refuelling capability) some of which were there simply to refuel the other tankers. Bearing in mind that both the Vulcan bombers and Victor tankers had started life in the 1950s as strategic nuclear bombers it was amazing they managed to make the journey, much less deliver their payloads.
The Falkland Islands were best known (if known at all) for their sheep which produced high quality wool. Historically, the islands had been important as a coaling station for passing ships and as a base for whaling operations (actually centred on South Georgia--an even more remote island dependency of the Falklands).
In season 20 they did a special called 'The Five Doctors' where they had another actor (Richard Hurndall, I think) who played the first doctor as William Hartnell had died.
love these reactions with you and your dad and the review at the end! hes such a clever man and you have some great conversations! would love love love to see you and your dad give Colin and peter another go one day, i'd recomment 'the caves of androzani' for peter davison as its such a heroic tale and a great character piece. and for Colin i'd suggest 'attack of the cybermen' or 'revelation of the daleks' (preferably 'attack of the cybermen' as you've done a lot of dalek stories haha). fingers crossed this can happen one day :D
Awesome review, great construction and honest❤
I watched this when it aired. I videotaped it. I still have the tape.
The UK created and used the imperial system until 1971 when it adopted the French metric system, as we prepared to join the EEC in 1973, the prequel to the EU created in 1993.
In the recent 60th Anniversary poll for the Doctor Who Magazine, this story was voted number 1 of the Seventh Doctor Era.
I have quite vivid memories of seeing this on broadcast at 8 years old. Mostly of the Dalek materialising in the school basement transmat - and the bit where you can see its transparent insides. "Ma - i can see the alien's guts and i don't like it!"
I saw an interview of Sophie Aldred where she said her outfit wasn't provided by the BBC costuming department, it was just her regular clothes!
fun fact: the 7th Doctor's title sequence was the first ever fully cgi title sequence for any tv show in the world.
Not factual, I'm afraid, programmes such as Wogan, Nine O'Clock News, Open Air, and whole lot more BBC programmes were using CGI opening titles in 1985 and 1986.
Astonishing to think that the McCoy title sequence took around 7 weeks to program and piece together. There are now faithful recreations of the same titles on UA-cam that are now programmable and made in as little as 3 days.
@@SGlitz Forbidden Planet (1956) was the first full electronic score. soundcloud.com/the-mekon/forbidden-planet-main-theme-1956?in=the-mekon/sets/future-perfect-sci-fi
@@mekonta I Believe they hired the same people to make the title sequence. I remember him saying he actually specialized in producing beveled letters.
The callbacks to the earlier seasons were indeed because this was the first story from their 25th anniversary season. Unlike other anniversaries, there was no multi-doctor story (The Three Doctors, The Five Doctors) for the anniversary. The third story, which aired on the anniversary of the premiere, was entitled 'The Silver Nemesis'.
No it was just called “Silver Nemesis”
No “the”
The 7th Doctor at about this time is 953 years old and in the books he celebrates his 1000th birthday. Which is odd when you consider the fact that that means the 7th Doctor is older than the 9th Doctor
Eighth Doctor lost count and restarted counting his age from 1.
There’s a short story in Doctor who magazine where Ace goes to visit a lady in a psychiatric hospital. It’s moving as the reveal at the end is the patient is the young girl.
Fun fact in the original Script, the Renegade daleks where blue in colour and the Impirials where red. Also your dad was right about how they filmed the shuttle landing at the school, it was a hollow wood and fiberglass shell, that was lowered by Crane into the playground.
yup, the prop even held about 4 Dalek props in it. numerous takes were done of them exiting... one of which had the SWD. Dalek6388 has recently stumbled upon some unseen footage in the making of Remembrance. Including a dissection of what the originally scripted Ratcliffe Yard fight would've looked like!
This is Aces first trip in the Tardis. She is by far the best companion in dr who history and got a lot of focus without it becoming the Ace Show like someone else
Unless you're talking about Rose, Martha or Donna I'm not sure what you mean and I don't think they took over the show. I'll assume you mean in the future or a classic companion. Guess I'll find out someday!
@@7thHourFilms He's not referring to Rose, Martha or Donna. Definitely a future companion that you won't meet for a while yet.
He's being snarky Alex. There hasn't been a companion who's taken over the show. Ever.
7th Hour Films a future companion yes from the 12th doctors era
You’re dad was correct… The date this takes place in was the date that the first episode aired… the first episode aired the day that Kennedy was killed
Ian's played by Roy Castle, Bernard Cribbins played a completely new character in the second film.
The 7th doctor Sylvester McCoy is one of the more darker and mysterious doctors in his last series run but in this he was more clown like and more resembles Patrick Troughtons Doctor
The 7th Doctor specifically chose to come back to 1963; just after the 1st Doctor left (along with Ian, Barbara and Susan) to concoct an elaborate plan to lure the Daleks to Earth using the hand of Omega (that he had hidden as the 1st Doctor hundreds of years ago) in order to destroy the Daleks once for all. Or so he thought. The 7th Doctor is a bit of a chess master, who likes to keep his enemies and even his friends in the dark as to his true intentions. He can be quite ruthless and manipulative, as you saw at the end when he goaded Davros into using the hand of Omega because he knew that it would only end up destroying the Daleks and Skaro. I really can't see any other Doctor coming up with a plan that devious and ruthless.
It's interesting how dark 7 can be but he hasn't gone through the Time War which is the explanation now for The Doctor's dark side. Obviously, the Time War wasn't a concept yet but it fascinating to look at it in hindsight.
@@7thHourFilms The 7th Doctor was supposed to bring back a lot of the mystery behind the Doctor's character that had been lost as Doctor Who went on. There were lots of subtle hints throughout his era (even some in this story that you might've missed) that there was much more to the Doctor than meets the eye and that he was a much more powerful figure than we had ever previously thought. Quite like the modern era in that respect, although new Who has never went as far. I think 7 is still the darkest Doctor, he would get even darker as his era went on. Then, that side of him was even further explored in novels and audio stories.
I would say that McCoy's Doctor and his era had arguably the biggest impact on new Who out of all the classic Doctors. In fact, the 7th Doctor's actions in this story are said to lead directly into the time war. It's even believed that RTD took a lot of inspiration from Ace for Rose's character.
@@7thHourFilms BTW, I should warn you that the next 7th Doctor story you're doing is Ghost Light, which is even more (a lot more) of a mind fuck than Kinda was. Looking forward to that reaction, lol.
As long as it's fun we should be alright. Kinda was slow and less exciting like An Unearthly Child but really confusing. Either way, I'm looking forward to more 7!
@@7thHourFilms Ghost Light is definitely not slow at only 3 parts long. It's actually one of the few classic Who stories that many people think should be longer to allow the story to breathe a bit. Many people think there's too many ideas crammed into 3 parts and the story moves far too quickly to really focus on any of them properly. Still, it should be fun to watch your reactions. I quite like it, even if I have no what's going on or really what's it's all about. 😂
The first time Darleks levitate! It used to be a joke where people woukd constantly take the mic out of Darleks because you could just run up the stairs and...not anymore. Probably one of the best classic cliff hangers
Technically you can see one flying in Revelation from Colin's run but it's at a weird angle from behind, badly composited and promptly blows up so it's often overlooked.
How could you leave out the unlimited rice pudding!
The Renegade Dalek's are indeed the original non-augmented version - the one's which exterminate Davros in Genesis. It wasn't fully explained in this episode, but there is history behind the Dalek civil war, so Remembrance gets extra kudos if you've seen the likes of Genesis, Revelation, etc - but you can still enjoy the episode without all the breadcrumbs.
Unlimited rice pudding!
Hmmm, November 23 1989 (the 25th anniversary of doctor who) was The Silver Nemesis. The 20th anniversary episode was The 5 Doctors
*Edited for fuzzy math late at night thanks @Forbidden multiverse
I’m afraid you are mistaken. The Five Doctors (23/11/1983) was the 20th anniversary, Silver Nemesis (23/11/1988) was the 25th anniversary. Though I will forever consider Remembrance to be the true anniversary, regardless of air date.
@@Indigo_Polarity you're right, the 5 Doctors was the 20th anniversity episode, which would make November 3rd 89' the 25th year (fuzzy math late at night 😳), but I thought Remembrance aired throughout October and Silver started its run time on exactly November 23rd
Ps you'll have to head backwards to the 5th Doctor's time to find out why there are renegade Daleks. Sorry!
So after Caves of Androzani & Genesis of the Daleks. This is up there with Tomb of the Cybermen in the “here’s classic stuff to watch for a new Who fan”
Trivia: Sophie Aldred, who payed Ace, went on to a successful career, among other things, as a voice actor. One of the shows on which she worked was a children's animated series 'Tree Fu Tom' where she voiced the lead character (in the UK release) and her side-lick Twigs was voiced by another actor who should be familiar to Who fans, David Tennant.
Also,.. Dennis the Menace ^..^
The Character of Omega has been around since the 3rd doctor serial (and 10th anniversary special) The Three Doctors if you watch that serial you get more backstory
Captain Kangaroo's theme from the TV set. But a little visit to Wikipedia discloses that the tune was 'Puffin' Billy' (1952) by Edward White, and was used by the BBC for a radio children's programme until 1966. It is kind of neat that babyboomers on both sides of the pond associate this tune with their childhoods.
I doubt most in America recognize it. Dad lived in England when he was young so that's probably why he knows it. Could be, though!
Captain Kangaroo! How did I nor recognize that? (Aside from not having heard it for half-a-century...)
1:03:14 "We're Americans, sorry". Love it.
The Falklands Islands were thought to be of strategic importance when we have the technical ability to mine Antarctica for it's supposed concentration of valuable minerals and oil reserves.
Thatcher was unpopular with the working classes by using the wealth of the North Sea oil to "break" the unions and decimate the steel and coal mining industries thereby causing mass unemployment. The Falkland War was seen as an attack on a British dependency and therefor an attack on Britain itself consequently was considered a "just" war at the time and even now rather than the last hurrah of a declined empire. This is in contrast with recent blunders in the Middle East. Maybe in future years when there is a battle of nations for the resources Antarctica has to offer the opinion in this War will be reavaluated.
The Falklands were never inhabited till the Scottish sheep farmers moved there. I do understand your point of view and agree with much of it but genuinely think the Falklands war was different.
The guy who the doctor gives the milk to, isn't that gwen cooper's dad??
Whoa! Yeah it is! Good eye. I would never recognized him and I kinda forgot about her parents.
The Imperials are viewed as impure because they are part cybernetic, the Renegades are fully organic mutants
Also imperial's come from humans, the original come from kaleds
The last On Screen Daleks story until Series 1
SGlitz you mean the Chipmunks!
Remembrance of the Daleks is the best classic Dalek story, try to change my mind
I don't think I quite agree but I'm not gonna try to argue. It's a solid choice.
Glad you enjoyed this episode the white imperial daleks were created to be davros’s loyal guards and obey him completely but it’s nice to see different factions/groups of the daleks
I love this Dalek story, and I do really like Sylvester McCoy as the doctor too. Hope you watch another Peter Davison story at some point as he has some real gem episodes.
So after this story, there were still daleks there. The supreme dalek at the time was going to make use of a factory but that ship crashed. What happened after takes place in Power of The Daleks, Patrick Troughton's first story. Due to some things that happened in the Big Finish audios, what originally happened to Davros was erased by the 8th Doctor so I'll just go off of the new timeline.
After this story, Davros basically battered completely, his mind split into two himself and the emperor dalek. In the story I'm talking about (pretty sure it was an audioo don't remember or the name said story) he puts the doctor through hell but eventually, the emperor dalek part won and he converted himself into a dalek mutant (Fans speculate that emperor dalek we see in the finale of season 1 of modern Doctor Who was once the original Davros). This begs the question how was he killed in time war and how did he return in season 4?
I can contue if you want unless you are going to buy Big Finish's Time War four boxset which explains that part. It's good and Davros is played by Terry Meloy who plays him in Remembrance and the last two previous dalek stories which also explains the whole imperial and renegade dalek thing.
This was made around the 25th anniversary of the show.
1:03:18 Davros is indeed spelt like Davos, but Brits pronounce Davos as "Dav-oss", too. Two nations divided by a common language, LOL :)
So you know how the Daleks killed Darvos, he survived and realised “oh I’ve made them think they are superior and they won’t obey me” so later he created Daleks loyal to him which are the white ones.
In the muscle discussion you totally missed Leela, the like of Barbara Tegan and particularly Sarah take a lot of the credit but Leela and Ace were the true mould breakers.
I don't think we've seen Leela at this point.
@@7thHourFilms Fair enough.
The music this story is fantastic
Very good reaction. I'm pleased that you both enjoyed this story so much as it's one of my favorites. The story is indeed set in 1963 because of the 25th anniversary. The symbol on the tombstone that you thought looked like a stylized W was the Greek letter Omega. I can't answer your questions about the Imperial Daleks without going into spoilers, I'll just say the answers are in Classic Who. It'll be interesting to see your take on the Peter Cushing films, be warned that they are very different from the Doctor Who that you know in a lot of ways. Why did the Classic series go off the air? The (very) short answer is that it was badly mismanaged for the last few years of its life. (BBC executive Michael Grade developed a real animosity towards the show and was kind of trying to kill it) Eventually, another BBC executive, Jonathan Powell decided that the show should be turned over to an outside production company that would be prepared to give it a larger budget, and theoretically manage it better. Unfortunately, the new version, the TV movie you're going to watch next, didn't really succeed. It earned high ratings in the UK, but in America it was shown on Fox during May sweeps and was clobbered in the ratings, so a new series didn't materialize at the time. Doctor Who would remain in production limbo until Russell T Davies launched the revived series in 2005
7 is sort of a space Columbo ergo the ill fitting coat
In one of the nuwho reactions Alex scoffed at a way a British newsreader pronouced an American place name(can't remember which one) and since then has been corrected in how he says Davros
It was how the guy said Pentagon (which British people have told me is suppose to be no different from how Americans say it). I still have trouble with Davros but I'm willing to accept it since it's not a normal name. What I won't back down on is Aluminum and I got crap for that in Midnight. Pronunciations are fun!
@@7thHourFilms I also remember the stick you got for not knowing who Agatha Christie was
Those were fun days. Lol.
This episode is incredibly meta.
Leela was the 4th doctors muscle 💪😁
The 7th Doctor, the conspiring clown and destroyer of worlds. How would he have fought the Time War?
I think this one is called remembrance for being remembering the beginning of the show - coal hill school etc
Personally I’d of called this war of the Daleks or Fractions of the Daleks
Kennedy was killed the day the first dr who episode aired
He was killed the day before
To be strictly accurate, Peter Cushing did not play the first Doctor. Rather, he played an eccentric (human) inventor called Dr Who who just happens to have invented a time machine shaped like a police box. So, definitely not canon, but quite fun.
if you get the chance you should give the novel lungbarrow a read, it covers the mystery of who this doctor is as this season dropped a lot of hints that the doctor is not who we thought he was, and when it comes to Ace to Doctor did indeed use her which is covered in the great story The Curse of fenric, Ace in the novels gets really interesting.
Yes this is the final classic Who Dalek story. They don’t appear until Dalek
Except for two seconds before the opening credits of the Paul McGann movie
To be honest I don't know why Kinda was the 5th Doctor story you were asked to watch, I do know some people actually really like it, but I think there are much better options.
7 is about 953
4 was about 750
2 was under 500
It REALLY bugs me that they didn’t make 9 over 1000 years old
@Stephen M-D yh but classic doctors never lied
Yh i know right his age jumps and stuff
@Stephen M-D yh they did tell the truth, but i hate the way the writers do with his age
This is fanon, but in the novels, the Eighth Doctor (then well over a thousand and couple hundred) wakes up on Earth at the start of the twentieth century without his memory and lives 100 years before getting his TARDIS and companion, but NOT his memory. My head theory is even when he did get them back, he was still on his new, amnesia age counting, had plenty of adventures and eventually the Time War in that time, and when Aliens of London happens, it is 900 years after The Burning for the Doctor.
My top 20 Classic Doctor Who
(which changes frequently, LOL)
1 - (078) - Genesis of the Daleks
2 - (135) - The Caves of Androzani
3 - (105) - City of Death
4 - (090) - Robots of Death
5 - (082) - Pyramids of Mars
6 - (076) - The Ark in Space
7 - (092) - Horror of Fang Rock
8 - (054) - Inferno
9 - (030) - The Power of the Daleks
10 - (080) - Terror of the Zygons
11 - (069) - The Green Death
12 - (085) - The Seeds of Doom
13 - (091) - The Talons of Weng-Chiang
14 - (121) - Earthshock
15 - (050) - The War Games
16 - (046) - The Invasion
17 - (154) - The Curse of Fenric
18 - (040) - The Enemy of the World
19 - (084) - The Brain of Morbius
20 - (138) - Vengeance on Varos
Xtra Spice Mikey - the story/serial number. I had that list written already and just copy/pasted. I could probably move Earthshock higher. I move them around from time to time after I see one again.
Dr who was cancelled because the boss of the BBC at the time just hated the show and due to that and general interest going down after the hiatus after season 22 it pretty much led to the end of the show until 2005
As far as I understand it, although the production value had increased, the ratings were pretty much in the toilet for much of the late eighties. Also, quite a number of stories, including this one, which is probs one of the best from this era, were VERY heavily referential to stories that had aired decades prior, which most apart from the most devoted whovians would have forgotten about. And it wasn't really accessible to kids, who hadn't even been alive at the time these previous stories were aired. They tried to save it in the last season or so, but ultimately, from peter davisons later seasons and onwards, it seemed fairly obvious that the shows time was limited... and Michael Grade, the head commissioner for Drama at the BBC (or some title like that) was known to have been pretty anti-who for a while leading up to him ultimately playing a role in cancelling the show, thinking the British Broadcasting Corporation should be focusing on more high-end serious period drama, rather than a 'silly' kids sci-fi show...
Not true, he hated “period” drama as well. He wanted BBC1 (of which he was channel controller) to have more “ITV” style drama. He had climbed the greasy TV pole at major ITV station London Weekend Television, helped greatly by his uncle being the head of another major ITV station Associated Television and was poached by the BBC in 1984 as the BBC1 ratings had mostly been really, really bad against ITV’s for a couple of years, since about 1980/81, to the point where the then Tory government of Thatcher was seriously questioning and reviewing the purpose of the TV Licence if the BBC was making shows that not many people were watching. By 1980/81, ITV had mainly given up on home-made sci-fi and were reliant on US imports. Michael Grade used his experience and “ITV” way of thinking to revitalise BBC1’s drama. In came more present-day drama like Big Deal, Edge Of Darkness and Maelstrom. Out went most of the period drama and all sci-fi (or he tried to, Who didn’t actually die until two years after he left. When Grade was controller of BBC1, the head of drama was Jonathan Powell, who held similar views towards it. After MG left for C4 in early 1987, JP replaced him and Michael Cregeen was brought over from another ITV station (I think Thames Television???) to replace him as Head of Drama. Cregeen called time on the show but I think his decision to do that was more objective, level-headed and stats-driven than opinion-driven like Grade’s and Powell’s drives to get rid of Who were.
After Who, I don’t think there was any sci-fi series on *BBC1* until BUGS in 1995, barring a Planet of the Daleks repeat in late 1993! BBC2 had loads of sci-fi during that period, which shows it was seen as being intended for a minority audience by that point.
This was indeed the last appearance of the Daleks in the classic series. I believe Russel T Davies during the time he was running Tennants era said something to the affect that he considers this episode the first act of the Time War, it's early beginnings. Davros speaks a lot about sweeping away Gallifrey and the Daleks becoming the Lords of time.
I thought it was _Genesis of the Daleks_ that RTD said was the start of the Time War. The war _officially_ began following the extermination of Phaidon, but the increased Dalek aggression which led to that was a response to the Time Lords' attempt to avert their creation (which, in turn, was a response to the Dalek invasion of the Matrix). Of course, with this being a _Time_ war, the concept of a "first act" is pretty meaningless anyway.
Queen Elizabeth was a huge fan of Doctor Who. By "total coincidence," Michael Grade - the BBC controller who cancelled Doctor Who - is the only BBC controller in history not to have been knighted.
The 7th Doctor stories that you should react to are
Battlefeild
The curse of fenric
Ghostslight and last story of classic who
Survival
If you want to find out why there are renegade daleks then you will need to watch all the dalek stories from Genesis of the daleks.
McCoy’s a great Doctor. I get a strong Troughton vibe from him.
This is my 2nd favourite story after The War Games from Patrick Troughton years
Ace is my all time favourite companion
The Dalek stories from Genesis all kind of have a story leading up to this one
Genesis introduces Davros
The ones after kind of have the story leading to the Imperial Daleks being created
The Daleks had an empire than extended over who-knows how many planets, destroying Skaro would not have destroyed the Daleks, only piss them off.
Whilst that's true in 60s and 70s who, by this point the dalek empire had crumbled due to the movellan virus, civil war and lack of adaptability, so the idea of the daleks being pushed back to just skaro isn't unrealistic at all
I love the seventh Doctor (his first season wasn't very good because the sacking of Colin Baker and the writers didn't know how to write for Sylvester) who could be silly, but dispense justice to the Daleks. They deliberately made him darker and if they had done a 27th season in 1990, the was going to hint that the Doctor was more than just a time lord, maybe a godlike being. This story would've happened after Barbara and Ian had left in the Tardis and the 1st Doctor left behind the hand of Omega. Did you notice that Foreman was misspelt on the gate (Forman instead of Foreman)?
Sorry, not been tuning in, when does normal who resume? (I know you said somewhere but I can’t remember)
Isn’t this normal who ?
New Who comes back on May 1. Next week we're reacting to Doctor Who: The Movie.
7th Hour Films thanks! Wow such a long time 😉
This IS normal Who! The New Era only makes up one third of the show as a whole.
There was some sort of agreement where the Daleks had to at least appear in every season of the doctor (though after the Evil of the Daleks, they didn't appear for 5 years then they made an appearance in every season again)
This is a great opener for Sylvester McCoy 😁👍
However, as for the reason for the Doctor Who cancelation, I blame on a decline of good writing, worthy of Doctor Who (Tom Baker's last few seasons, Davison's first season, half of Colin Baker's era, and most of Sylvester McCoy's era) this was the opener of his second season, his best season imo (However, the destruction of Skaro was taken by Tery Nation as an extreme insult)
When Doctor Who first started the Heads of the BBC wanted to get rid of it. The gave the Doctor Who Team the worst and smallest Studio they had. They also only gave them £2000 for wages, costumes etc. There have been 3 Scottish Doctors and I liked them the best. Sylvester, in my opinion, was great as the Doctor. I loved his attitude. You should watch a number of his stories. There were different coloured Daleks. Each colour represented what they did.
Hartnell died a year after his final ever doctor who story
McCoy is a fantastic Doctor he’s very dark
Imperial Mort I know... That was his final ever who story
Big Finish now have at least two seasons featuring the further adventures of Rachel, Allison and "Chunky" Gilmore as the "Counter-Measures team" fighting sci-fi menaces in the 1960s. A lot of your general questions relate to earlier classic stories, so we can't answer them without spoiling those episodes, but you would have understood the story a bit more if you'd watched Revelation of the Daleks instead of Vengeance on Varos. Actually, that's one of countless reasons why you'd have been better off watching Revelation of the Daleks instead of Vengeance on Varos.