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  • Dr James Grime discusses a couple of clever formulas which are pandigital - using all the numbers from 1-9.
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  • @nichrun
    @nichrun 7 років тому +4039

    Numberphile. The only channel where a formula is described as "cute". So adorable.

    • @henryyang478
      @henryyang478 7 років тому +110

      it is quite 'cute',for its not mathematically complicated,yet gives a interesting result.just like a adorable magician preforming a simple trick,you know it's simple,but got amazed anyway.

    • @xuanlan6062
      @xuanlan6062 7 років тому +2

      No clue if this is a compliment or not.

    • @bradhammond7540
      @bradhammond7540 7 років тому +22

      Its not even a formula, it's an expression. So...

    • @cheeseburgermonkey7104
      @cheeseburgermonkey7104 7 років тому +1

      *turns minecraft person into real person into candy, then eats it*

    • @lulube11e111
      @lulube11e111 6 років тому +1

      nichrun we use that in my class very often

  • @wilkatis
    @wilkatis 7 років тому +1865

    How to remember e to more decimal places than you'll ever need?
    It's 2 point 7 followed by birth year of Lev Tolstoj (1828) followed by birth year of Jules Verne (1828) followed by angles of isosceles right triangle (45 90 45)
    e = 2.7 1828 1828 45 90 45 ...
    Now you can't say I didn't learn anything at mathematics class

    • @AuroraNora3
      @AuroraNora3 7 років тому +52

      whoa

    • @garlic-os
      @garlic-os 7 років тому +12

      Thanks!

    • @Reydriel
      @Reydriel 7 років тому +108

      wilkatis
      Yeah, it's just basically
      2.7 1828 1828 45 90 45
      Incredibly easy to remember lol

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja 7 років тому +33

      My maths teacher gave the same kind of grouping for the first ten digits, except that he only used one author born in 1828, namely Henrik Ibsen. Thanks for the triangle mnemonic for the next six digits!

    • @Ulkomaalainen
      @Ulkomaalainen 7 років тому +37

      I had a colleague (teaching maths myself) who told me it's "Two-Point" and then the Andrew Jackson sequence: 7th president, elected in 1828, elected in 1828.
      Which didn't help me remember e that much, but I know more about Andrew Jackson now than I did before :)
      (Oh, yes, not the US here)

  • @ImaginaryHuman072889
    @ImaginaryHuman072889 7 років тому +233

    For those asking for full steps:
    3^(2^85) = 3^[2*(2^84)] = (3^2)^(2^84) = 9^(2^84) = 9^[2^(2*42)] = 9^[(2^2)^42] = 9^(4^42) = 9^[4^(6*7)]

    • @rjohnson8ball
      @rjohnson8ball 4 роки тому +6

      Thanks. My only concern was 3^[2*(2^84)] = (3^2)^(2^84) but after some deep thought, I understand why.

    • @saoirsedeltufo7436
      @saoirsedeltufo7436 4 роки тому +5

      @@rjohnson8ball It's a general rule that a^(b*c) = (a^b)^c = (a^c)^b

    • @besarsinghbhardwaj7012
      @besarsinghbhardwaj7012 4 роки тому +1

      Just exlain it briefly

  • @steliostoulis1875
    @steliostoulis1875 7 років тому +150

    love Dr Grime. ...his enthusiasm is so relatable

  • @itsnotcharan
    @itsnotcharan 7 років тому +368

    To blow your mind:
    81= 9^2= 3^4=70+6+5

    • @dramawind
      @dramawind 7 років тому +13

      No. Way.

    • @itsnotcharan
      @itsnotcharan 7 років тому +36

      Also, this is kinda cheating but still...
      49^1=07^2=85-36

    • @badmanjones179
      @badmanjones179 7 років тому +253

      0≠1≠2≠3≠4≠5≠6≠7≠8≠9 *bam*

    • @itsnotcharan
      @itsnotcharan 7 років тому +23

      badman jones You sir, deserve an applause and a cookie

    • @quarkyquasar893
      @quarkyquasar893 7 років тому +70

      How about (9^8^7^6^5^4^3^2)^0 = 1?

  • @ganaraminukshuk0
    @ganaraminukshuk0 7 років тому +456

    Can we call approximations of e E-proximations?

  • @patrickhodson8715
    @patrickhodson8715 7 років тому +175

    1 + 2 + 3 - 4 + 5 + 6 + 78 + 9 = 100

    • @F3V3RDR3AMS
      @F3V3RDR3AMS 7 років тому +38

      123 - 45 - 67 + 89 = 100

    • @OfficialHuMan
      @OfficialHuMan 7 років тому +15

      12345 - 6 - 7 + 89 = 100

    • @maximelaplace1467
      @maximelaplace1467 7 років тому +13

      -1 * 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 - 6 + 7 + 89
      = 100
      (1 - 2 + 3) * ( 4 * (.5 + 6 + 7 + 8 - 9) = 100

    • @shreccc9326
      @shreccc9326 7 років тому +7

      OfficialHuMan ummmm no

    • @SamuelKristopher
      @SamuelKristopher 5 років тому +1

      @@shreccc9326 I see you're too serious to get the joke. Also, 1+2^3456789=100

  • @codediporpal
    @codediporpal 7 років тому +38

    1:20 I case you were wondering, Dr. James Grime was actually calculating that number on the fly, from the equation, while talking to you.

  • @rajajinnah3478
    @rajajinnah3478 7 років тому +2094

    0:14
    So 'Zero' is basically me during my friends' road trips 😂

    • @suave319
      @suave319 7 років тому +94

      I feel you bro

    • @MrTVx99
      @MrTVx99 7 років тому +61

      Raja Jinnah at least you have friends. Feelsbadman

    • @rajajinnah3478
      @rajajinnah3478 7 років тому +4

      Ace Reaction Hahaha 😁

    • @Supware
      @Supware 7 років тому +69

      Fun fact, it's also the number of friends I have :D

    • @kosmozaut
      @kosmozaut 7 років тому +14

      Me too tanks.

  • @filipsperl
    @filipsperl 7 років тому +99

    I don't see why everyone has a problem with the 6*7 not just being 42. First, the mathematical curiosity explored in this video is not a formula, but a number. The whole thing can be expresed as one number, which is very close to e. Every part of the number can be expressed differently and it doesn't matter what signs, brackets or symbols are between them. If 4^2 were to show up in these type of expressions, of course you can write it just as 16, but you need the digits 4 and 2, just as you need 6 and 7 in this case. Why would that be considered cheating?

    • @goutamboppana961
      @goutamboppana961 3 роки тому +3

      well cuz that wouldn't be pandigital anymore

    • @efulmer8675
      @efulmer8675 2 роки тому +2

      The point is to make all the digits show up in the formula, so while there are ways to express numbers in other ways, by specifying that 42 is 6*7, he avoids any accusations of cheating by forcing the formula to look a certain way.

    • @yaboi7034
      @yaboi7034 2 роки тому

      Well you could write e like that, but i doubt it just stops, so this way is simplified.

  • @Halosty45
    @Halosty45 7 років тому +1311

    Yeah the formula for e is much nicer.

    • @reblogo
      @reblogo 7 років тому +51

      And far more accurate

    • @generaltopix7228
      @generaltopix7228 7 років тому +13

      SuperWifiBattler The problem is that you are only allowed to use all numbers 1-9 only once...

    • @druid_zephyrus
      @druid_zephyrus 7 років тому +2

      SuperWifiBattler if anyone can do that why was it only ever done recently, and not say the day of e, as a constant, being applied

    • @connfdm
      @connfdm 7 років тому +4

      but it isnt pandigitallllllllllll

    • @suqmadiq3462
      @suqmadiq3462 7 років тому +4

      would like your comment if it did not have 314 likes

  • @Anamnesia
    @Anamnesia 7 років тому +309

    4:15 "I Love e SO much..."
    Me too, but I don't go around telling everyone about it!

  • @indian_scouser_ynwa
    @indian_scouser_ynwa 7 років тому +108

    james is my favourite on numberphile

  • @EclecticSceptic
    @EclecticSceptic 7 років тому +14

    Wow that's an amazing formula. The precision is remarkable.

  • @GtaRockt
    @GtaRockt 7 років тому +537

    2 Dr. Grime videos in a row? It's almost like it's Christmas!

    • @MarioFanGamer659
      @MarioFanGamer659 7 років тому +4

      Ba dum tss...

    • @GtaRockt
      @GtaRockt 7 років тому +3

      @MarioFanGamer
      well when I wrote the comment it was still the 23th in my place so..

    • @Blazervitch
      @Blazervitch 7 років тому +1

      23th or 23rd lol

    • @Robostate
      @Robostate 7 років тому +2

      I am sorry I had to vote up your comment. You had 227 up votes, and that is a prime number. Quick, please, someone else vote it up to its twin!

    • @aifesolenopsisgomez605
      @aifesolenopsisgomez605 6 років тому

      479!! prime likes again :D

  • @david-yt4oo
    @david-yt4oo 7 років тому +46

    I smiled when he mentioned how accurate it was

    • @kcwidman
      @kcwidman 7 років тому +2

      dani gómez likewise

    • @jeromesnail
      @jeromesnail 7 років тому +2

      dani gómez me too! I'm still smiling !

  • @Philgob
    @Philgob 7 років тому +25

    Amazing! So simple yet it's very impressive that he was able to do this.

  • @MrCyanGaming
    @MrCyanGaming 7 років тому +39

    If you're reading this, have an amazing Christmas! 🎄🎄🎄

    • @thanosaekk2449
      @thanosaekk2449 7 років тому +2

      So now I will see you at Numberphile videos too? I have already seen you at every Mumbo Jumbo video!

    • @Zwijger
      @Zwijger 7 років тому +2

      CyanGaming | ᴹᶦᶰᵉᶜʳᵃᶠᵗ ⁻ ᴳᵃᵐᵉᴾᶫᵃʸ Thank you, random stranger on youtube, have a great Christmas as well!

    • @MrRoboticWarfare
      @MrRoboticWarfare 7 років тому

      Cyan? I didn't take you for the kind of person to write these comments... that's disappointing.

    • @Neueregel
      @Neueregel 7 років тому +1

      the main celebration was 4 days ago and it was called Winter Solstice!!

    • @kat_stuff
      @kat_stuff 7 років тому +1

      David -flamingsword1 did you just assume that those jokes were still funny in 2017?

  • @astropgn
    @astropgn 7 років тому +88

    If you put e / ((1+9^(-4^(6*7)))^3^2^85) on wolfram alpha, the result is "e"... weird

    • @twwc960
      @twwc960 7 років тому +40

      I think what's happening is that it is rounding the (1+9^(-4^(6*7))) to 1, since it can only work with a finite precision. Then 1 raised to any power is 1, so the denominator is calculated as 1 rather than e.

    • @Trias805
      @Trias805 7 років тому +12

      However, it properly calculates ((1+9^(-4^(6*7)))^3^2^85) itself...

    • @astropgn
      @astropgn 7 років тому +2

      It might be, but as Trias00 mentioned, if I don't put it on the denominator (or even on the numerator, which also gives a wrong result) it can calculate to a fair precision.

    • @KuK137
      @KuK137 7 років тому +3

      It doesn't. Raising that to power of 85 would take a lot of time, my guess is that it's hard coded to recognize that number and simply return e, which is why it breaks when the number is in different form, like in OP formula...

    • @vijuarez3859
      @vijuarez3859 7 років тому +1

      Wolfram Mathematica gives me an overflow and underflow error, it's too much for the pc. I tried with Python because it keeps trying even if it's too much data, but it's been going for a while I don't think it's going to finish.

  • @andrewkovnat
    @andrewkovnat 7 років тому +311

    I wonder what that paper feels like...
    That is life's biggest question.

    • @Oscypex
      @Oscypex 7 років тому +65

      Andrew Kovnat If your question may be rephrased as "what is this paper feeling?", the answer is "nothing", because it's paper and it doesn't have a working nervous system.
      If it's "what's the sensation of touching this paper?" instead, then I suggest you hand over your life savings to Numberphile and ask for a sheet of their paper in return.

    • @minimooster7258
      @minimooster7258 7 років тому +5

      Andrew Kovnat I think its just brown wrapping paper. You should be able to find some pretty easily, if you don't already have some lying around.

    • @andrewkovnat
      @andrewkovnat 7 років тому +3

      Interesting.

    • @zoranhacker
      @zoranhacker 7 років тому +13

      I imagine it's like one of those chill giving materials (not pleasant to touch)

    • @andrewkovnat
      @andrewkovnat 7 років тому +5

      That's what I was thinking originally.

  • @camilohiche4475
    @camilohiche4475 7 років тому +448

    Those pandigital formulas are kinda parker squared though tbh...

    • @Azrage
      @Azrage 6 років тому +47

      Not the one on “e”though. That was neat. The others were parker formulas.

    • @duarteromano2702
      @duarteromano2702 4 роки тому

      This statement is false: l

  • @rosiefay7283
    @rosiefay7283 7 років тому +2

    Thank you for highlighting this little mathematical curiosity. IMO a nicer expression for e is the one seen at 4:04 that uses the digits 1 to 8. It isn't as accurate, but it uses an additional finesse.
    1/ln (1+x) = 1/x + 1/2 + o(1)
    (1/x + 1/2 + o(1)) ln (1+x) = 1
    (N + 1/2 + o(1)) ln (1 + 1/N) = 1
    (1 + 1/N)^(N+.5) ~~ e
    For a given N, the expression is more accurate with that .5 in the exponent than without. In case you didn't spot that expression, it's
    (1 + 2^-76)^(4^38 + .5)

  • @panzer1896
    @panzer1896 7 років тому +4

    4:16 "I love e so much" - Dr James Grime aka J-Grizzle

  • @paulsackett3613
    @paulsackett3613 5 місяців тому +1

    My favorite Numberphile ever.

  • @ambidexter2017
    @ambidexter2017 7 років тому +7

    My favorite thing about this formula is that it contains the number 42. I think all formulas for fundamental mathematical constants should.

  • @Brianww777
    @Brianww777 7 років тому +7

    Wow! That's incredible! You guys make mathematics so interesting! Your fun, lightheaded approach to the subject makes it accessable to the layperson (me) without the feelings of intimidation that math usually conjures.
    P.S. I love the paper used in your videos...

    • @MrGrumbleguts
      @MrGrumbleguts 3 роки тому

      This isn't maths though, it's arithmetic.

  • @ianmoore5502
    @ianmoore5502 2 роки тому +4

    I actually just audibly gasped at the reveal

  • @hsl8251
    @hsl8251 7 років тому +1

    I love videos with this guy because he so excited about this. You can see the joy in his eyes

  • @L4Vo5
    @L4Vo5 7 років тому +123

    That last formula was such a parker square...

    • @jesseacummins
      @jesseacummins 7 років тому +4

      L4Vo5 This is the most apt use of that term.

  • @nicolasfpauly
    @nicolasfpauly 7 років тому +2

    I'm a 27 graphic designer, and I don't know that much in mathematics. I can't explain why I've been so much fascinated by your videos @numberphile, but this has become a serious addiction. Loving your stuff!

    • @nicolasfpauly
      @nicolasfpauly 7 років тому +1

      And yes, I also think there are too much "points" in pi formula.

  • @UnderCultures
    @UnderCultures 7 років тому +101

    he gets so happy about numbers, its adorable. lol

    • @SirtubalotTX
      @SirtubalotTX 7 років тому +7

      I know.. right? Dr. Grimes has an incredible mind.
      It's not fair really. I like numbers too but they vex me more often than not, so they don't make me happy sometimes.

    • @DanB-sh3wt
      @DanB-sh3wt 4 роки тому +1

      About noombahs, you mean.

  • @astherphoenix9648
    @astherphoenix9648 7 років тому +9

    i love Dr Grime on numberphile

  • @DanDart
    @DanDart 7 років тому +4

    Wow, that e one.
    That was so beautiful.

  • @489Acresofwheat
    @489Acresofwheat 7 років тому +4

    I love these guys' enthusiasm for math!

  • @wasfas1977
    @wasfas1977 7 років тому +3

    If you enter 3^(2^85) in wolfram alpha it tells you that it has 18 457 734 525 360 901 453 873 570 digits, exactly the same number of digits that the video says the formula gives accurately for e.

  • @michaelbauers8800
    @michaelbauers8800 7 років тому +5

    woah, that is amazingly cool. It was not obvious to me he was just writing an elaborate version of the limit formula until he showed his work, heh

  • @r0kus
    @r0kus 7 років тому +19

    I agree, that pandigital piquation (hey! if the other was a pandigital equation, we can do this now) was not all that impressive. just 10 places? Heck, the well known fraction 355/113 is accurate to 6 places.

    • @geoffreywu4304
      @geoffreywu4304 7 років тому

      Have you ever tried (9^2+(19^2)/22)^(1/4)? Pretty accurate...
      I think Ramanujan found the approximation.

    • @r0kus
      @r0kus 7 років тому

      That is a nice one, @Geoffrey_Wu . It is accurate to 8 places. I'm not sure I'll remember it the way I remember 355/113, though.

    • @r0kus
      @r0kus 7 років тому

      alysdexia well, obviously. I even had to look up _nescient_. 🙄

  • @SebastianLopez-nh1rr
    @SebastianLopez-nh1rr 7 років тому +220

    I got a pandigital formula for 2... 10 there you go

    • @ianwubby6271
      @ianwubby6271 7 років тому +64

      Well, first you have to specify that it's in binary, but it does work. How about 1+(23456789^0)?

    • @chickeyy1792
      @chickeyy1792 7 років тому

      Ianwubby Smart and tricky in the same way because you used the 0 as well, but ironically to be the power of all the digits other than 1 to make it a 1 itself, of course summed with the 1 before the brackets to make it a 2

    • @F17A
      @F17A 7 років тому

      Berniksus dude the answer is 1

    • @richardweiss5217
      @richardweiss5217 7 років тому +13

      Why? We're talking about approximation here. 2 = 10 with an error of 8.

    • @biodrengen
      @biodrengen 7 років тому +1

      Richard Weiss 2 number system

  • @AnteP-dx4my
    @AnteP-dx4my 7 років тому +41

    I LOVE THIS GUY , HE IS GREAT GUY !

    • @TomatoBreadOrgasm
      @TomatoBreadOrgasm 7 років тому +7

      HE'S ALSO A SINGINGBANANA. THAT IS HIS UA-cam USERNAME. CHECK IT OUT.

    • @preddy09
      @preddy09 7 років тому

      BUT IS HE AMAZIN GUY?

    • @AnteP-dx4my
      @AnteP-dx4my 7 років тому +1

      Geebz YEEEE

    • @AnteP-dx4my
      @AnteP-dx4my 7 років тому

      TomatoBreadOrgasm tnx

    • @DrKaii
      @DrKaii 4 роки тому

      NO HE IS PURE EVIL. Don't let that charming smile charm you. His agenda is global domination.

  • @Schenkel101
    @Schenkel101 7 років тому +1

    What makes the e formula so much more impressive than pi is that it links back to the definition of the number

  • @N3KLAZ
    @N3KLAZ 7 років тому +67

    Is there any mentionable reason for the "6*7" in the formula and why it's not just 42?

    • @numberphile
      @numberphile  7 років тому +305

      +N3KLAZ so it's pandigital

    • @gauravcheema
      @gauravcheema 7 років тому +63

      N3KLAZ to make it pandigital.. other wise the digit would repeat and that wouldnt be cool

    • @Trias805
      @Trias805 7 років тому +50

      The same reason as for the formula itself. Otherwise you can just come up with any huge number and place it in the formula (1+1/N)^N

    • @Paretozen
      @Paretozen 7 років тому +2

      oh them trolls :) nice one

    • @StGroovy
      @StGroovy 7 років тому +8

      Because 42 is the answer to the meaning of life, so... I don't know. Help me out.

  • @gabrieleranucci6425
    @gabrieleranucci6425 6 років тому

    Actually this was the first numberphile video I saw. I found it by chance on an app called Curiosity and since them I've been in love with this channel!!

  • @trobin
    @trobin 7 років тому +3

    Looks incredible

  • @denvernaicker8250
    @denvernaicker8250 7 років тому +1

    its great to see james again

  • @rhods23
    @rhods23 7 років тому +15

    4:15 James loves his pills
    This joke's been done a trillion trillion times hasn't it?

  • @gremlinn7
    @gremlinn7 7 років тому +1

    I find the one for Pi, at the end, to be much MORE impressive than the video's main one for E. After all, the one for E is just piggybacking on the large-x limit of (1 + 1/x)^x and only relied on finding a way of divvying up {2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} to write a power-tower number in two different ways. (Still a bit clever!)

  • @aday07271996
    @aday07271996 7 років тому +86

    What's a mathematician's favorite dessert?
    Pi-e

    • @SLAMgamer11
      @SLAMgamer11 5 років тому +4

      ARE YOU FOR REAL

    • @jazzybank
      @jazzybank 5 років тому +4

      No. Numberphile told me that it's cak(e).

    • @bip901
      @bip901 5 років тому +1

      0.42331

    • @agar0285
      @agar0285 5 років тому

      1+2+3+4+5+6+7...=?

    • @FplusETVChannel
      @FplusETVChannel 5 років тому

      agarRoyale 2002 infinity

  • @Deafingblow
    @Deafingblow 7 років тому +2

    These kinds of videos are why I love math.

  • @LeiosLabs
    @LeiosLabs 7 років тому +112

    Holy Cow! My mind has literal-e been blown!

  • @norielsylvire4097
    @norielsylvire4097 7 років тому

    The way our mind works with numbers and logic is simply beautiful

  • @AbiJaay
    @AbiJaay 7 років тому +7

    I find these videos weirdly relaxing even though I have absolutely no idea what's going on. XD

  • @CoolHandLuke0
    @CoolHandLuke0 7 років тому +1

    I was just expecting a pandigital formula to equal a pandigital number from the beginning of the video. But this was much better!

  • @Akhi11eus
    @Akhi11eus 7 років тому +3

    Damn, Grime throwing some shade on the Pi formula!

  • @TheMrvidfreak
    @TheMrvidfreak 7 років тому +1

    Just as I was about to begin to study German, an INCREDIBLE VIDEO APPEARS!

    • @TheMrvidfreak
      @TheMrvidfreak 7 років тому

      Bro...I hadn't even watched the video but I will certainly not scrap my claim.

    • @josephf151
      @josephf151 7 років тому

      keine problem, die duetsch warten auf du!
      (I am sure that is bad grammar though)

    • @TheMrvidfreak
      @TheMrvidfreak 7 років тому

      Genau. Ich habe deutsch nur 100 Stunde gelernt, aber...I still instantly saw at least 2 mistakes (deutsch and word order: auf should be the last word) :D

    • @josephf151
      @josephf151 7 років тому

      wait but then it would be die deutsch warten dir auf?
      the German waits on you?
      Is it bad that I am in German 6 AP and do not know?

    • @MarioFanGamer659
      @MarioFanGamer659 7 років тому

      @Joseph Florentine: It would have been correctly: "Kein Problem, die Deutschen warten auf dich!" Just my two cents.

  • @acorn1014
    @acorn1014 7 років тому +20

    My favorite is the golden ratio.
    (1 + 5^(4/8))/2 + 7(9 - 6 - 3)

    • @AdrenalineL1fe
      @AdrenalineL1fe 7 років тому +1

      oh shi...

    • @gammaknife167
      @gammaknife167 7 років тому +30

      to be fair, the golden ratio is an algebraic number, making its pandigital formula rather simple...

    • @ImaginaryHuman072889
      @ImaginaryHuman072889 7 років тому +16

      agreed with rohan. since the golden ration is exactly equal to (1+sqrt(5))/2, you can pretty easily create a pandigital formula equal to that. here's a few more just off the top of my head:
      (1+5^(4/8))/2+(63/9)-7
      (1+5^(3/6))/(8/4)+9-7-2

    • @Kino-Imsureq
      @Kino-Imsureq 7 років тому

      seh
      (1+5^(4/8))/2 + 7(9-6-3)
      (1+sqrt(5))/2 + 7(0)
      (1+sqrt(5))/2

    • @43labontepetty
      @43labontepetty 6 років тому

      You missed a pair of parentheses. Lol. Its technically not exactly the golden ratio anymore.

  • @doyowan
    @doyowan 7 років тому +1

    I first thought the formula would equal a new pandigital number... that was even cooler! :)

  • @chadtindale2095
    @chadtindale2095 7 років тому +4

    Brady, We love you, We love your videos. It's Christmas time. Stop editing videos and spend it with your wife and dogs.

  • @chorthithian
    @chorthithian 6 років тому

    I love this guy a thorough amount

  • @pavphone2616
    @pavphone2616 7 років тому +6

    Yo James you should make videos for your own channel!

  • @lisalisa9706
    @lisalisa9706 7 років тому +1

    Another awesome fact about e: the line that is tangent to log_b (x) (log of x of base b) that also passes through the origin (0,0), for ANY positive b different than 1, touches the curve at x=e. That's a nice relation between the inverse function of e^x and the number e.

  • @EpicB
    @EpicB 7 років тому +30

    ((1+9^-4)^6*7)^3^2^85 = e, therefore Half-Life e confirmed.

    • @stumbling
      @stumbling 7 років тому +7

      Still follows the rule that Valve can't count to 3. :)

    • @gui18bif
      @gui18bif 6 років тому

      2011 called

    • @tanaypandey1771
      @tanaypandey1771 4 роки тому

      @@stumbling we have HL alyx , waiting for 3 :)

  • @Svm777
    @Svm777 7 років тому +1

    I love James Grime videos!

  • @Replay260
    @Replay260 7 років тому +1364

    I identify as pandigital.

    • @Roescoe
      @Roescoe 7 років тому +114

      Is counting your digits considered sexist?

    • @Requiem100500
      @Requiem100500 7 років тому +224

      I am trans-cendental.

    • @HandreyAlex
      @HandreyAlex 7 років тому +162

      Go back to Numblr.

    • @poznyakpoznyak
      @poznyakpoznyak 7 років тому +131

      Ugh, sick of your non-binary BS. There are only two digits, 1 and 0.

    • @britishman5300
      @britishman5300 6 років тому +44

      Support the BDDP community
      Binary duodecimal decimal pandigital

  • @patrykmazurkiewicz3866
    @patrykmazurkiewicz3866 7 років тому +1

    This guy must be a quite happy/lucky chap doing what he so much loves (talks maths so passionately) with such a great success (having >2M subscriptions)!

  • @AnonYmous-xs8nx
    @AnonYmous-xs8nx 7 років тому +10

    In (fairly) simple terms, how did Sabey decide on that value for *N*?

    • @nh-a6713
      @nh-a6713 7 років тому +24

      its a big number and it uses the remaining digits from 1-10, the bigger the number is, the closer it will approximate e regardless of any properties the number has

    • @Szibenwaro
      @Szibenwaro 7 років тому

      He needed a formula, which is the reciprocal of another formula that uses the digits he didn't already use. (excluding 1 of course)

  • @PandaBlubber
    @PandaBlubber 7 років тому

    this just blew my mind, thank you Dr. Grime

  • @ownage3523
    @ownage3523 7 років тому +13

    But how did he figure to use 3^(2^85) to start?

    • @connorhamilton5707
      @connorhamilton5707 7 років тому +6

      Justin Marinelli It could have been any number as long as he used an equivalent number with the other digits he needed to make it a pandigital equation. I'm sure he never actually calculated the number, and he probably played around with other combinations before finding that one.

    • @mikedonovan9033
      @mikedonovan9033 7 років тому +11

      The formula for e calls for taking n to infinity, aka a really big number.
      When he was making the pandigital formula for e, he thought "I have to create a formula that puts in a 'really big number' for n, however that number must also satisfy the pandigitalness of the formula".
      So, he chose 3^(2^85) because:
      1.) It is really big
      2.) It has the characters he needs to make the formula pandigital.

    • @ownage3523
      @ownage3523 7 років тому

      Thanks

  • @popcornpretzel6720
    @popcornpretzel6720 7 років тому

    I'm so glad james is back

  • @zallen05
    @zallen05 7 років тому +4

    This is really ingenious stuff, I wonder if the other participants used the properties of powers to achieve pan-digital formulas in their submissions. Such an insightful approach to the challenge 👏👏👏

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho 2 місяці тому

      One of them did, for a variant of the problem. To express e with 8 instances of the digit 8, Maksymilian Piskorowski came up with (8/8+8^-8^8)^8^8^8, which is correct to 15,151,335 decimal places. But Richard Sabey was the only one who used it for a pandigital formula, where it is a lot harder to arrange the numbers in a way that works.
      I should say that the puzzle website has recently been updated with my own solution, which was inspired by the Numberphile video: (1+.2^9^(6×7))^5^3^84, with is correct to 8368428989068425943817590916445001887164 decimal places -- 14 orders of magnitude better than Sabey's. His record stood for 20 years though. And you can write it as (1+0.2^9^(6×7))^5^3^84 if you want to include the digit 0.

  • @AxjionAlesandres
    @AxjionAlesandres 7 років тому +2

    I hate math. I hate numbers. But your videos are some of the most interesting and inspiring on UA-cam.
    Your genuine enthusiasm is infectious and it makes learning fun.

  • @GetMeThere1
    @GetMeThere1 7 років тому +8

    So...this prompts a question: what is the biggest number you could write using just the ten digits? I'm ashamed to say this is not immediately obvious to me. Might it be 91 raised to the 80, raised to the 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 (or the reverse?)? I'd like to know -- and I'd like to know whether one can give a simple explanation of a "proof." Maybe I'm just tired, but the answer isn't obvious to me right now...

    • @Daniel-dc5mr
      @Daniel-dc5mr 7 років тому

      GetMeThere1 I think it is the reverse

    • @Daniel-dc5mr
      @Daniel-dc5mr 7 років тому

      GetMeThere1 Maybe 90^81^72^63^54

    • @DanteDeRuwe
      @DanteDeRuwe 7 років тому +8

      Would using factorials be considered cheating? Because that's a way of generating huge numbers...

    • @Daniel-dc5mr
      @Daniel-dc5mr 7 років тому

      54^63^72^81^90

    • @anticorncob6
      @anticorncob6 7 років тому +20

      2^3^4^5^6^8^91
      You want as many exponents as possible and you order them from smallest to biggest (2^100 is much bigger than 100^2 for example)

  • @dermaniac5205
    @dermaniac5205 7 років тому +1

    Thanks for this awesome christmas present!

  • @AveImperatorProductions
    @AveImperatorProductions 7 років тому +4

    Why do english speakers outside of America call both parenthesis and brackets "brackets?" Doesn't that get confusing when you end up with equations containing both? Is there a slight inflection difference I'm missing?

    • @klaxoncow
      @klaxoncow 7 років тому

      Nah, there's no inflection difference. It's just colloquial laziness.
      It could potentially be confusing. But, well, if there's a chance of ambiguity then you should just use the correct terminology (or the variants of "square brackets" and "curly brackets" to be explicit about their shapes).
      It's not that the terminology is actually different. It's just a colloquial thing not to be too bothered by it.

    • @AveImperatorProductions
      @AveImperatorProductions 7 років тому

      Ah okay, in case you couldn't tell I'm much more of a linguist than a mathematician, this had always been something I've wondered about. Thanks!

  • @jaidenboucher0
    @jaidenboucher0 7 років тому

    That is such a nice, satisfying formula I'm so happy.

  • @IAmBrownThunderOfficial
    @IAmBrownThunderOfficial 7 років тому +54

    1:20 Aaaannnd I need a new pair of underwear.

    • @dramawind
      @dramawind 7 років тому +1

      I need a new pair of pants as well.

    • @Kalumbatsch
      @Kalumbatsch 7 років тому +1

      And then he lets all the air out of it by explaining the pathetic little trick but you've already gone to the trouble of shitting your pants.

    • @gordongorgy9148
      @gordongorgy9148 6 років тому +1

      😉 TIHS TNSAW TAHT

    • @Kunal29Chopra
      @Kunal29Chopra 5 років тому

      @@Kalumbatsch but how you'll start to something that can take all the digits from 1-9 in all the transformations. It's still something one has to figure out by his brains.

  • @RealClassixX
    @RealClassixX 7 років тому +2

    How wonderfully creative.

  • @Hecatonicosachoron
    @Hecatonicosachoron 7 років тому +26

    e is the best constant.

    • @chickeyy1792
      @chickeyy1792 7 років тому +8

      Jason93609 Nope I'm a π person myself

    • @SuntzuDragon
      @SuntzuDragon 7 років тому +24

      I will be i, let us join together and be one. Shoutout to all who get that joke.

    • @masamainio4052
      @masamainio4052 7 років тому +1

      Harnoor Lal nice meme

    • @chickeyy1792
      @chickeyy1792 7 років тому

      Harnoor Lal Did you mean; get one and be zero? ;)

    • @Hecatonicosachoron
      @Hecatonicosachoron 7 років тому

      Minus one. And all odd integers can join in.

  • @gaganvs4090
    @gaganvs4090 7 років тому +1

    Please make a video of all the greek (or non-english) alphabets or symbols used in maths and their uses, please

  • @salmjak
    @salmjak 7 років тому +4

    "It's really cute." "...It's approximately e."

  • @luisrosano3510
    @luisrosano3510 7 років тому

    You are amazing guys! Cheers from Uruguay!

  • @keithplayzstuff2424
    @keithplayzstuff2424 7 років тому +5

    6 hours ago better say something...
    golden ratio = (4-3+5^(1/2))/(7+9-6-8)

    • @NZAnimeManga
      @NZAnimeManga 7 років тому

      ^ now that's truly beautiful ;)

    • @keithplayzstuff2424
      @keithplayzstuff2424 7 років тому

      Wow, thanks for replying. Of course, it took 5 minutes but it was an "early" comment anyway.

  • @plzcme434
    @plzcme434 7 років тому

    I love this guy for smiling 24/7.

  • @thereelburke4634
    @thereelburke4634 7 років тому +15

    What paper do they use ?

  • @dcodedcryptdbug2238
    @dcodedcryptdbug2238 7 років тому

    never seen such an enthusiast in ages..maths much more than a fantsy.

  • @senc1971
    @senc1971 7 років тому +3

    Thanks for showing us this. This has got to be one of the most impressive things in mathematics, at least amongst the set of results in maths that's not too difficult for me to understand, ha. First of all just to approximate e to 10^25 decimal places is pretty cool, but to do it with a pandigital formula--quite clever indeed! Great idea for a numberphile video.

  • @vagabond7199
    @vagabond7199 7 років тому +1

    This is pretty cool! Numberphile never disappoints me.

  • @p11111
    @p11111 5 років тому +3

    Include 0 by adding +0 to any pandigital formula

  • @MrPianoKnee
    @MrPianoKnee 4 роки тому +2

    How about expressing Phi using only one of the ten digits? It is my favorite. But this pan digital formula for e is out of this world. Amazing stuff. Wow.

    • @meissmart6678
      @meissmart6678 2 роки тому

      How about: .5(5/5 + 5^.5)
      It uses five 5s, how nice.

  • @downstream0114
    @downstream0114 7 років тому +339

    I identify as a pandigital number.

    • @maxchatterji5866
      @maxchatterji5866 7 років тому +32

      Hilarious

    • @Mohamedbloo
      @Mohamedbloo 7 років тому +7

      Not hilarious

    • @lkjhfdszxcvbnm
      @lkjhfdszxcvbnm 7 років тому +15

      Downstream01 Now it's an official sexual orientation

    • @4.0.4
      @4.0.4 7 років тому +6

      Downstream01 What would be the gender pronoun of a pandigital number?

    • @ordermind
      @ordermind 7 років тому +22

      The pronoun is 123456789.

  • @SpeedStar76
    @SpeedStar76 7 років тому

    Thanks to another of your videos, I recognised e before you said it! You have taught me more than 5 years of 1980s comprehensive school... thank you :)

  • @armandstefan635
    @armandstefan635 7 років тому +8

    Who else besides me loves this channel? :)

    • @L3ON360Z
      @L3ON360Z 7 років тому +1

      we all love it!

    • @masterofstorms1886
      @masterofstorms1886 7 років тому

      Armand Stefan you and 2248653 other individuals

  • @TyDreacon
    @TyDreacon 7 років тому

    On one hand, I love it. On the other hand, I so badly want to know if that's the most accurate pandigital formula for e, or if there's another pandigital formula that's even more accurate than that.

  • @ArchDennam
    @ArchDennam 7 років тому +4

    Oh yes.
    This really tickles my fancy.

  • @mohammaddwintacahyana4900
    @mohammaddwintacahyana4900 7 років тому

    i love it when numberphile does a little bit of calculus

  • @viermidebutura
    @viermidebutura 7 років тому +5

    how many digits N has?

    • @chickeyy1792
      @chickeyy1792 7 років тому +1

      orochimarujes Can it get the exact number of digits of π or divide by 0?

    • @4.0.4
      @4.0.4 7 років тому +11

      Berniksus only in the paid version.

  • @Ano0toko
    @Ano0toko 8 місяців тому

    The sum of each pair of digits in the formula from left to right is 10, in the way that 10 = 1+9 = 4+6 = 7+3 = 2+8 = 5+5, where 5 is an exception due to the formulas lack of repeating digits, but added to itself is 10.

  • @hitchikerspie
    @hitchikerspie 7 років тому +6

    This is really e-erie!

  • @ExCoSeH
    @ExCoSeH 7 років тому

    I love Dr James so much

  • @tropicalnofruit1419
    @tropicalnofruit1419 4 роки тому +5

    When I heard 18 trillion trillion digits my eyes opened up so much😂 I love maths

  • @astitvasharma6887
    @astitvasharma6887 6 років тому +2

    The most beautiful formula after e^iπ=-1