Is Jack Antonoff Ruining Pop?
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- Опубліковано 28 жов 2022
- Clickbait title aside, it's time for me to play Pop Music Attorney and defend the pop girl whisperer, Jack Antonoff. In this career recap and analysis of why I think he's faced criticism for his prolific pop career, I will outline the case for Antonoff, his music, and well... why we should leave him alone. #jackantonoff #popmusic #videoessay
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What’s your fave and least fave Jack production?! Also which producer should I talk about next? And why is it AG Cook or SOPHIE?!
SOPHIE is legendary. AG is great too though -- controversial opinion: I sorta wish he put more effort into his PC Music artists and a little less on Charli. Sorta feel once he really started becoming Charli's go-to, we heard less and less from his artists Danny L Harle and GFOTY and Hannah Diamond and Easyfun who were all making interesting music. In fact I sorta think Charli bit a lot of GFOTY's style but that's a comment for another video
@@Nearraen14 I feel like (and this is speculative AF) Charli and AG genuinely just have this insane friendship similar to how Jack and Taylor do where like they just gravitate back to each other. Charli’s currently working a lot with George Daniel of the 1975 who so happens to be her current BF and I enjoyed their work together on Hot Girl and the Crash Deluxe tracks. AG and Charli did not r work all too much together for Crash beyond 3 tracks, he seemed busy with Namasenda’s underrated Unlimited Ammo so I do think he’s branching out. His appearance on Renaissance… proof he’s gonna be a hot commodity
@@EljohnMacaranas so what I got from reading your reply is that AG cook is the max martin of hyperpop??? Lol would love to see that
NFR! and (unpopular opinion but) Chemtrails are my favorite Jack projects (I'm biased cause I'm a Lana stan and a sucker for that dreamy/peaceful/poetic singer-songwriter type of sound they were going for). I love most of his stuff tho (Melodrama, Daddy's Home, his contributions to Lover and folklore, Want You In My Room). It's true that I don't really like Solar Power and Midnights but I'm obviously not gonna pretend that he's the worst producer ever or anything. I agree that Lorde and Taylor (like most artists) are responsible for the way their records sound so...
I love both AG Cook and SOPHIE btw
@@EljohnMacaranas UNLIMITED AMMO IS SO GOOD. Definitely my summer album this year.
honestly the fact that people can even question jack's influence on pop (and indie pop) is insane since at this point he worked on green lights, masseduction, midnights, nfr and his own band in the past couple years
Literally can we name another producer who’s started their career in the last decade whose name is brought up as much as his… lmao
masseduction does not belong on this list of amazing albums..
@@EljohnMacaranas Since I'm so old, everyone should know Steve Albini. He produced Nirvana, Pixies, and his own band, Garbage.
And, I would put David M. Allen up there as well for producing the best 20th Century album for The Cure's "Disintegration."
This is just "iconic history."
Midnights sneak
@@xx1664 masseduction runs circles around midnights
A person who is behind Melodrama and NFR...also providing us w production behind Getaway car, out of the woods, Cruel summer, august, my tears ricochet etc (...) COULD NEVER RUIN POP MUSIC.
You spilled. He has way more hits and classics than bombs.
Hes even behind carly's emotiob
taylor swift was one of the artist who believed in the power of jack antonoff. right now, i have no complain when they are going to collaborate because when they do, a masterpiece will gradually be created. Every touch of Jack Antonoff is a chef's kiss.
Oh they’re never going to quit working together. Same with Dessner probably. I feel like Rep marked Jack’s takeover. Martin was never going to stay long with Taylor, he’s expensive and he likes to jump from artist to artist and to new projects.
Jack antonoff makes good music worse
I don’t understand why people are hating on Jack Antonoff. He is an incredible producer that has made posible millions of hit records that people love. It’s horrible to see people hate on great talent like this. Without him there would not be many of the hits songs including some of those hits that I love from Taylor.
It always happens when someone like is like in the Top 3 of their field, there was a power ranking of producers last year from Variety that said Jack was #1 most influential
EXACTLY. he produced lana amd lorde's best and most loved albums, and he did amazing songs with taylor (i literally have a whole playlist with just taylor songs produced / co-written by jack)
@@indecisiveranter And he also co-produced 2020's titled best album: Folklore.
@@schaferero yes and he did it very well might i add.
Thank you for defending Jack! He’s been getting so much unwarranted hate and it drives me insane (he’s my favorite producer). I love that you mentioned the woman that he works with have co producer credit because too many people think he’s forcing them to do whatever he wants.
And no his productions don’t sound the same but like you said he does have very obvious jackisms if you listen to enough of his music. But same thing can be said about any producer
I think it's just backlash from being the zeitgeist (and being a more public personality.) Back in the 90's and early 00's, most producers were anonymous masterminds with the occasional exception like Pharrell. With social media, a more meta fanbase, and the level of domination, Jack's a goner.
I agree with Jack-isms and say... Greg Kurstin's allowed to turn in the same song over and over again for British pop girlies but no one's saying anything about it.
all of his music is trash
The fact that he produced NFR by LDR is all the evidence I need to prove that he is a genius who only brings out the best in the artists he works with
Trueeee NFR is Lana’s masterwork
It's not Jack's fault that most mainstream popstars lack the creativity or curiosity to work with someone who is not the hottest producer in town at the moment. All of them flock to him, so what is he supposed to do? Reject work? If you as an artist are not your own producer (not everybody can be a Kate Bush or Prince), choosing the right producer(s) for your projects can be a talent in its own right. Some of the most interesting artists working today in pop are making fresh music BECAUSE they are adventurous enough to seek out new and interesting producers. Jack, to his credit, has helped the artists he's worked with create their most accomplished albums to date. Now it's up to them to move on if they want to.
Agreed! Not to plug my fave but Charli works a lot with AG Cook but diversifies her producers quite a bit to stay fresh. I think it’s the artist’s onus to sound fresh, even if they do keep the same producers they need to also introduce outside voices to balance that out. Beyonce’s latest album was a smash bc there wasn’t really one unifying voice she reached out to all sorts of producers (even AG) to craft the record.
That is exactly why all my criticism regarding Midnights goes to Taylor herself. *Just get a fucking new producer.*
Some songs in Midnights sound exactly the same, much like samples even, from her previous pop albums Reputation and Lover, and guess who was the producer? Yes, Jack. Just get a new producer, if you like synths and that awesome drop, you can still do that with a new producer and it will sound fresh because it will be naturally different.
I wonder how many different times the same person can use the same synth and I kinda got my answer in Midnights, it's almost not his fault the songs sound the same as her previous songs, Taylor likes that synth-pop sound, but please, get another producer.
BUT THEN AGAIN, she did make history with Midnights, so I'm trying to keep my mouth shut because they obviously did something right, but then again... it's really not that wow when you are already deeply familiar with her previous work. It can even be a bit disappointing.
@@stillfangirlingtoday1468 My biggest issue with Midnights isn't even the production honestly. The songwriting is what's truly awful and no amount of studio trickery could have salvaged that. I am no Taylor fan but she impressed me immensely with Folklore and Evermore, so this return to her previous underwhelming attempts at pop do not work for me at all. She seems to not realize her own strengths and weaknesses as an artist and it's incredibly frustrating because she is very talented. Jack isn't completely at fault here. After all, Taylor is credited as a co-producer too. It's like when people give Jack all the credit for how Melodrama sounds when there are videos of Lorde literally producing the songs in the studio.
@@meghansullivan6812 I have a lot of respect for pop as a genre, I listen to it a lot! My problem with Midnights isn't that it's a pop album or that it's not deep enough (music doesn't need to be deep to be good), I just believe that it's not a very good pop album. The lyrics are clunky and artless, the hooks are weak, and there's barely a memorable song on it. The truth is, I have never been able to enjoy Taylor's pop albums. As a pop artist she is not particularly interesting, but as a singer-songwriter she really shines, which is why I love Folklore, Evermore, and some parts of Red. This is what I meant when I said she doesn't know her own strengths and weaknesses. But I know a lot of people love most of her music, which is fine.
If your favorite pop girl writes their own music, chances are Jack has worked with them
It’s so true: Carly Rae, Taylor, Lana, Clairo, Florence, Lorde, St. Vincent, Sara Bareilles, the list goes on
The fact that he produce NFR, Melodrama and folklore are astonishing. Also Look What You Made Me Do doesn't debut at #1. It peaked at #1, yes but it doesn't debut at #1
OH SHOOT, the radio play was so powerful it was #77! WHOA! I just thought it shot up to 1 in its first week. I guess music tracking weeks were different back in 2017.
those who say that he makes the same sounds, should know the word "Style". Because he has a style, a flair that he adds that's very him. and that's not a bad thing.
that’s so true! the way he uses synths to evoke certain moods is unique to him as as the drum sounds he picks, I honestly think some people just need to find other music to listen to like if you only listen to Jack’s collaborators, of course it’ll become predictable
@@EljohnMacaranas I don’t want to find another artists, I don’t want jack antonoff ruin ALL of my favourite artists recent albums, I don’t want listen to the same song with farting clarinets when I skip Carly Rae Jepsen song to Lorde, Clairo to Florence + the Machine. He is EVERYWHERE, and he is not that talented
@@soocccermommy1326 well blame your faves then lol, they're the ones who chose him to work with them💀
@@rerorero6493 no, we will just wait him to die
@@soocccermommy1326 lol stay desperate twink. "Not that talented" so where's your production credits huh
I don't care what people on Twitter say, i will die being a Jack Antonoff stan
Trueeee
STANtonoff
You should cover Pharrell Williams. He’s produced songs for Gwen Stefani and Ariana grade but what he did to kelis is so unforgivable, I can’t listen to his music anymore. Your videos are so good 😅
Oh he’s on my list and agreed, I’m mad about the Kelis sample situation and in general. I thought that he put Bey in a very awkward spot this year. Thanks so much!
midnight is a great record. people who complaining are folklore and evermore stan who expected repeat of the same...change espeically in direction of pop will cause feel of betrayal to the sound they hoped taylor will keep making...
Oh trust me, if you were there for when she went from Red to 1989, it was the exact same. The lyrical demands for folk indie country music vs pop are so different like the priorities of catchiness vs depth vs whatever… it’s a science that Taylor’s proved she can do both.
I'm a folklore stan but I'm also a reputation stan. Not only are they my two favorite Taylor albums but they're two of my favorite albums of all time along with NFR. Like the video says Jack definitely has a signature style but he definitely has range. I just think people like to complain and will find any stupid thing to complain about. And the people that are complaining that everything sounds the same a lot of them are the type of people that only listen to one kind of music.
Honestly, stan twitter in the summer of 2021 was the most infuriating place to be. Jack had just produced one of my favorite alt rock album of all time (daddy's home) and all I see is people bashing him and say he is a bad producer that needs to be stopped. I think melonman hit the nail on the head with this one. Fans need a scapegoat to put the blame on when they have criticisms on the music, because God forbid our favorite gurly had an off moment, no, it's the male producer's fault. The same man that has championed his frequent collaborators (which all seem to like him and choose to work with him over and over and over again) and has produced songs and albums that we all listene to religiously almost daily for years.
No it’s so true! I’m genuinely annoyed how like these artists choose to work with him and have their projects be realized through his lens. It’s like solely blaming the director when your favorite actor or actress has a bad performance or picture, yeah there’s some blame but there’s also an insane amount of other factors to it too. And honestly, sometimes the people we like most flop… it’s a part of the cycle!
@@EljohnMacaranas I'm sorry for such a late post, it's been a year since the discussion, but still. It is right to blame the director for the actor's poor performance, because it is the director who controls the actor's work. And it is the director who must be able to work properly with the actors in order for them to get the right game from the actor. So yes, bad acting is the director's fault in the first place. The comparison with the producer seems to me incorrect, because the producer embodies the artist's ideas, and not his own, albeit through his own prism. The producer is an assistant, not a driver. Sorry for my English, I'm writing with a translator
Music and genres change over time and aren’t meant to stay the same. Pop is popular music. And obviously what he is doing is popular. Some people can’t handle change.
Some people really want it to be 2009-2012 again. It’s been 10 years! Trends are cyclical sure. 10 years from now, people will be nostalgic for Jack.
Jack is a genius. He deserves all of his success and even more.
One of pop’s greatest minds this past decade for sure, that Anti-Hero remix was everything for me
He literally on every album that I listen nowadays
It may seem like that if you exclusively listen to Lana, Taylor, Lorde, etc., super glad my other faves are taking a break from him. Carly’s last album didn’t have on at all. Charli hasn’t worked with him since she covered Rollercoaster.
There are some people who sort of echo his style, too, though. Like some tracks off Sour clearly emulate his reverb heavy sound. Dan Nigro definitely cribs his sorta sound at times.
I think he just needs to take a break, Midnights definitely shows the burnout it seems and constantly pumping out production is not always a good idea
I think he and Swift should take a break (they won’t… not after a 1.5 million units selling week) but his other work with artists like St Vincent and Florence remain immaculate.
@@EljohnMacaranas not lordes last album or Lana’s
Midnights is a good albulm ppl just wanted another folklore idk its Taylor’s most successful album in years its an album one like’s multiple times u listen to it cuz all the tracks have same feel u don’t understand after a bit time spent on the tracks
It’s def a grower!
Getaway Car was a single but it got zero promo only charted in New Zealand and Australian
Why do y’all get the best things?!
@@EljohnMacaranas even cruel summer was a single in Australia
@Folklore (ur her best album other than red btw) NAUR, Australia outsold USA
Strange Desire is one of my fave albums of all time. Jack is an amazing producer, and people who discredit him and ‘blame him for their faves sound’ just don’t understand that the artist have more of a say than a producer. I highly recommend Bleachers first 2 albums to fully understand Jack’s own sound/producing style.
Strange Desire made me such a huge fan. As did Gone Now. I think it’s kinda wild some people think he actively dictates how a record sounds. Like producers ultimately serve as sounding boards for their artists’ visions. I want to imagine that line of thinking is a holdover from the 90’s and prior when most pop girls (unless you were a Janet or a Whitney) really were at the mercy of their label’s whims… but it’s a weird thing to assume in 2022
@@EljohnMacaranas agreed! Don’t get me wrong, labels will have some influence to an extent, but ultimately if a musician really doesn’t like the sound, they wouldn’t bother promoting it as much as artists like Taylor are! Midnights is a solid album, it’s my first Taylor album and it’s quickly become one of the best of 2022
I find it weird whenever people like to criticize Jack whenever an album by their favorite was not as good as it was, they turn to Jack that he was the one to blame for the mediocrity the album gave us. Not the artist themselves. Jack allows the artist to help’s the artist to have the creative freedom they want. Matty Healy confirmed in an interview when promoting the new 1975 album that Jack gave him and The 1975 the amount of creative freedom they have usually get whenever The 1975 makes their albums.
The 1975 album definitely still felt like they had full creative control. Jack’s job in a way is to kinda be like an instagram filter for people’s music and sounds but the images and vision is still the artist’s to decide.
Do I think Jack Antonoff is ruining pop? No... But my biggest issue with him is that whenever he produces for his most successful and recognizable clients (Taylor, Lana, Lorde...) I clearly know what I should expect. And I kinda wish he would do something a bit more daring, maybe a bit more experimental when he works with the aforementioned artists. His most unique productions, imo, are Look What U Made Me Do and Green Lights, both of which came out 5 years ago, so i have a feeling it's time for him to do something like this again to revitalize him as a producer.
When it comes to which producers you should cover next, I wish you covered someone who's, let's be honest, one of the most successful pop producers of the last 15 years, but at the same time extremely PROBLEMATIQUE, gross and simply evil - Dr. Lxke. I know that this topic requires lots and lots of research, but I would love to hear your honest thoughts on so many of his iconic hit songs from the past, as well as plethora of his controversies - from stealing other's productions or sampling without permission, thru blackmailing, sabotaging and @busing his artists, to him still being deliberately hired as the producer by many popular acts.
I'm sorry but how can you know what to expect? When, in Taylor's case, it went 1989-Reputation-Lover-Folklore-Evermore and now Midnights. Hell, the albums aren't even in the same genre. You could only argue the similarities of Folklore and Evermore...as for Midnights, given it's a reminiscent album of her life, it makes sense that the sound would be a blend of all of the previous albums.
Re:Jack and expectations, I partially agree at least on the popular clients part. I think how far he experiments is pending on the client’s side. I know St. Vincent and Florence pushed him musically, even his Minions soundtrack productions felt like he was challenging himself.
I honestly want to make a video about him and his controversies but you are right I’d need to like do a deep dive and vet certain stories and maybe I will!
@t2 Taylor’s sound is genuinely every changing, that’s a good point to make! I do think Midnights is the first of her albums to be an all Jack one though which probably explains why everyone is messy about it. I know 1989, Rep, and Lover were him gradually taking over for Pop Taylor while he had assistance from Dessner on Folklore and Evermore. If we don’t count the 3am tracks, this is Jack and Taylor’s record for sure. So maybe OP’s point applies to Jack just handling everything. Which still is debatable but I hadn’t realized until writing this comment why anyone would think that.
"Green Lights... i have a feeling it's time for him to do something like this again". He already recycled Green Light and put the same key change/mode change on a different song in 2020. So he did do something like that again.
bleachers as a band does not get enough credit. i went to their concert in july and it was one of the absolute best ive ever been to in terms of live vocals, stage presence, and LIVE INSTRUMENTS… it’s unreal how creative and open jack has been about grief, depression, and anxiety, and i wish people gave him a chance instead of being haters. listen to one video (of which there are many) that jack has on youtube talking and how he builds and layers songs into masterpieces and you will understand that he makes music to capture the emotions most of us can’t put into words.
I was at the show in the Forum and it was so much fun! When he brought out the sax everyone lost their shit… it’s v true he’s more than just a superstar producer.
@@EljohnMacaranas LMAO i was there too! lucky enough to get pit tickets. evan's sax solo killed it during everybody lost somebody
Jack is not the sole producer in Dance Fever, although he has credits in a lot of songs but these are shared. Regarding St Vincent, she might have won a grammy but it is not her most acclaimed record, the conversation about jack was already gaining steam during these times
Oh true on Dance Fever, he’s only on like 10 of them and shares credit with Welch on most of them. Also, I hadn’t realized Dave Bayley from Glass Animals produced a good chunk. Good for him! I trace the Anti-Antonoff sentiment boiling over with the Wild at Heart/SATNS debacle.
As for St. Vincent, it’s hard to top self-titled (which also won Best Alternative Album) and Masseduction but Daddy’s Home did pretty well. It’s definitely not her worst album (if such a thing even exists.)
Imma metalhead, into horrorpunk and emo rock, but NFR is one of my top ten albums.
NFR is a GOAT album like… Lana deserved AOTY for that, love Billie but the growth, the potential she’s always had coming out, like I argue that record made Jack the dream producer for so many young alternative artists
@@EljohnMacaranas the competition that year was tough but NFR is a masterpiece and deserved to win
Please do a video about RedOne .. he's behind most of gaga's hit songs (poker face,bad romance, just dance,judas etc ) he literally revived jlo career when he worked on her "love?" Album including hits songs like on the floor and papi .. he's the last producer who worked with MJ .. and he also wrote and produced the Real madrid anthem which showcase his versatility ... he's a living legend
I always wondered what happened to him, I’ll def look into that
I'm a bit biased about him, but even acknowledging that, he's a really solid producer. A lot of people hate him because they don't wanna blame their faves for making songs they don't like while ignoring the artists who like his style and greenlight his ideas.
I truly don't get those who say all his songs sound the same. Bleachers is proof of his creativity. Strange Desire and Gone Now are THE quintessential coming-of-age type of music that have become the source of a lot of my ideas. Hell, I need these people to also listen Take the Sadness Out of Saturday Night. Don't Go Dark and How Dare You Want More are absolute masterpieces
YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. Part of having a fave is being brave enough to admit maybe you just didn't like their work. Not every Taylor song is perfect, not ever Lorde song gets me, but I appreciate the songs exists because someone out there might really like it (and hate my favorite songs.)
One thing I know is my boi needs a loooooooooooong break after this year
I’d love to see him take on a role where he elevates and uplifts other producers and writers and maybe start an imprint or something if he hasn’t. All the big producers (Zedd, Martin, etc.) eventually do that then come back on certain projects. AG Cook domination era next pls.
I feel he doesnt even do pop well. A Pop hit is a song that transfer across all demographics. I feel his hits are big because of artists and their fanbases, not necessarily because the song itself is actually pop. So I consider him more an indie producer than pop
I’ve been listening to Jack since fun and bleachers I’m extatic about his growth and success! I love so many albums he’s worked on. Florence’s dance fever is probably my fav
Dance Fever was truly an amazing album like people will throw Midnights being disappointing (to them) and Solar Power around like it's the only work he's done 🙄
I’m so glad you made this!! A lot of my favorite music reactors have made some comments about Jack in the past that have hints of annoyance or jealousy. It’s refreshing to see a well versed description of his career in a whole and not just his work with TS or Lana.
I genuinely think he's had a pretty well-rounded career, the people most upset probably have the most narrow music taste so it feels like he's "everywhere."
just found you through your midnights review! love your videos! keep it up :)
Aaaah thanks! I’m gonna do a 1989 video one of these days and maybe a Lana Del Rey recap and stuff about weird cult faves my subs send me to listen to!
ive been watching you for about a year, and have been waiting for you to cover sawayama deluxe or hold the girl!
Aaaah thanks! I did briefly talk about Hold the Girl and unboxed her vinyl during a livestream of mine. I’ll def talk about HtG in my Best Albums of 2022 video soon.
look, its not that i dislike jack’s work. i find his music annoyingly catchy because i don’t particularly WANT to like it but it is so mf catchy! i have to say my personal taste is late 2000’s early 2010’s loud/explosive/maximalist production. think black eyed peas, LMFAO, and Judas by Lady Gaga. i enjoy jack’s work, i just find it personally upsetting that his work is everywhere and its a more laid back style nowadays.
Oh we’ll be back to that maximalist sound soon enough (we’re on the eve of a recession and the last one gave us that sound’s revival. It’s more of a question of when than if assuming time is a flat circle.) I will say think we’ve reached peak Antonoff the more I think about it.
Solar Power was pretty disappointing when it comes to production, and fans like to blame someone other than their favorite singer... And yes, there's a few bad songs on Reputation and Lover... But that doesn't mean it's his fault, the creative process sometimes makes mistakes during the editing process or some choices can miss the point... But, objectively speaking, the majority of his work is good. Maybe people don't like that he's working with all the female pop singers (rather than sexism, I actually think it's jealousy, that's just a hunch though).
That’s a fair observation. I still think that pinning solely all the blame on one person is just lazy. Like pop of all genres is very team oriented.
Part of the problem with Solar Power mentioned by critics and media outlets, was alleged similarity between production style and song writing of other Jack Antonoff produced songs and albums, including "Wild at Heart" by Lana Del Rey. There is no way that Lorde would known that this song existed and would be released in 2021, just a few months before "Stoned at the Nail Salon", but Jack knew, unless he is tone deaf he must have known they were similar. So Lorde got all the criticism and Jack won Producer of the Year at the Grammys.
I love this video .. please create more videos about famous producers like RedOne, max martin, timbaland, Quincy Jones etc
That’s the plan (once I clear my backlog of ideas)
I'm appreciative of Jack's brilliant, brilliant service on Midnights. But now I want her to want someone new. The novelty of Dessner was good for her!
I'd love for her to find another producer, I loved Dessner for Folk and Ever and the 3am tracks but I'd love for her to find and uplift other producers. She had Elvira Anderfjärd do a few remixes and some work on Message in a Bottle and Girl at Home for Red TV.
Finneas, Jack Antonoff, SOPHIE, Arca and Max Martin is the producer of generation. They made a lot impact in music industry.
That’s true! In the pop spaces, they had longevity and impact.
Thank you!!! This video is the ultimate mic drop on why Jack Antonoff is as much an icon as his superstar collaborators in the pop genre. I’m so tired of the whining about him ruining pop music when he’s helped create some of the best tunes in the last decade. I, for one, get so excited when I see his name in collab with another treasured artist. I think you are on to something about why he gets singled out so often.
It’s definitely tied to the fact most of his collaborators are exciting women in pop. That and the fact anything that seems like its on top immediately faces insane backlash
Apperently I really like the stuff he does. First time I heard his name was a month ago. I don't even listen much to pop but what I learned is that, everything I enjoy in the pop realm of things, he basically did. So I have no complains whatsoever.
As someone who loves Jack as a producer, it is true that if you are starting to feel like everything he touches is the same, you should def start expanding your music taste. I always listen to the same 5 artists: Taylor Swift, Phoebe Bridgers, Mitski, Lorde, and Clairo, 3 out of 5 have music that has been produced by Jack, and after some time you can definitely hear his influence, and get tired of it, i surely do, but that doesn't make it bad! It just means that you want something different that surely other songs that aren't produced by him could offer you
It’s honestly great for people to explore other artists and sounds if they’re bored. It means you’re hungry for new music and sometimes the artist you like just doesn’t want to leave a certain soundscape.
I also love Melodrama too!! Also, I agree with you when you speaked about "listening only to singers produced by Jack". Obviously if you listen to Lorde, Lana and Taylor, you will get familiar with the sound bc every producer has their own "spice/essence"
Like honestly, there's a reason they choose to work with him time and time again. He "gets" them!
saying all his songs sound the same is like saying all taylor’s music sounds the same and that lana only makes piano ballads
you’d be surprised… some ppl still think lana is just BTD 😭
I was ready to fight anyone who had anything bad to say about Jack.
No, we love Jack on this channel… like we owe him everything for Mirrorball, This is Me Trying, and August
@@EljohnMacaranas getaway car had me in a chokehold 😭
Cool video. Just btw. Your 'p's are popping. Anytime you say a word with a 'p' sound it's making a really loud pop sound.
Ugh I hate the snowball because of that, I’ll def noise gate better next time.
I was today's years old that I realized Jack was/is on fun. just WOAH
it’s so funny watching their old videos and pointing at him going “whoa!” No joke very few ppl in 2013 would have guessed he’d become the de facto pop producer of the late 10’s and early 20’s
Jack Antonoff rlly is the king of making pop sounds, 1989 n melodrama are the best pop albums there is
Oh agreed. The chokehold those albums have on history. He can make whatever he wants after those!
1989 was a Max Martin album (and Shellback and Taylor of course), Jack had one or two songs no one remembers.
He is letting his Mark like any other producer, if He is in highlight now trust me is because of how big taylor is.
As long she trust her Music on his hands both are going to deliver great content and add for The Music history.
Agreed! I think he’s amassed such an impressive body of work, not perfect but overall pretty excellent!
ohymgod bro he cant be failing if he helped lorde make melodrama!
Melodrama genuinely is his magnum opus I think, that and NFR!
I love his work with Lana, Taylor, and Lorde. He is really on top of it all right now :)
NFR has to be one of the greatest albums of all time along with Melodrama 😭😭😭 he also produced some great tracks on Folklore
I’m just a little sick of his style now. He keeps shoving trumpets and brass n stuff in every song now. He’s good at pop I just don’t think he’s doing it right right now
Oh when he does trumpets and brass in his IRL shows... it's magical
make a video on chromatica please would love to see your opinions
I'm definitely making an era recap video on it now that the tour is all wrapped up and the era's just about done.
Do you follow his work with Bleachers too? It's actually my favorite. His albums are very "experimental" and very cathartic. The first two Bleachers album are about his growing up and learning to live with the trauma of losing his 13-year-old sister to brain cancer.
Oh I love those two records with all my heart, the third was… somewhat disappointing
@@EljohnMacaranas I didn't really connect with the third one either. I enjoy some songs but I think a lot of the cathartic sounds kinda got lost.
I didn't see the original criticism video but i do think the current producer driven industry isn't ideal. I have no problem with Antanoff's work and I don't think any individual producer is the problem. I loved Norman fucking rockwell, and I loved his work on the folklore/evermore releases (I did prefer the Dessner songs). The problem is that producers do have a very big influence on how the records sound these days and are more often than not cowriters of the song. This is a big deal. So when studios overuse them on many high profile artists the overlap is noticeable. The charts become very homogenized
That’s a fair assessment. I don’t quite think it’s the label that dictates an exec producer, perhaps on a newer artist who is starting out. I recall for Pure Heroine, Joel Little carried a hefty hand production wise for Lorde. But true, monopolizing or homogenizing pop is dangerous if we only have the same like 5-10 producers ruling the charts every week. I’d attribute how monolithic production has become even for legacy artists due to a hunger for acclaim through cohesion. Look at Pitchfork and NYT’s scoring mechanisms and you’ll see they tend to look more favorable on singular visioned albums. It’s a hodge podge of factors ranging from commercial to critical viability as well as a need to succeed that drives artists to not explore beyond the fields that reaped them their early harvests. I sound all over the place but thanks for giving me food for thought. It’s always been hard to break in for producers, so it’s kinda ironic Jack went from a stalwart upstart to a monolithic force so fast.
5:59 Caleb Gamman is a criminally underrated content creator tbh
I think he’s becoming burnt out.
That’s fair! I think he should probably ease up on albums and focus more on some projects he genuinely cares about. I will say his Minions soundtrack work has to be some of his most fun producing to date.
honestly, the whole discourse about jack antonoff ‘ruining’ pop music is lowkey very misogynistic because it takes agency away from the artists he works with. jack isn’t the puppeteer, he’s not making executive decisions for the pop girls, and he’s not creating these albums by himself, it’s a collaborative effort. solar power was coproduced by both jack AND lorde for example, so the reason the record sounds this way is because of BOTH of their vision for the album.
Wow I can't believe how talented and versatile he is!
Seriously stunned by how he’s produced that many songs in just like 10 years.
Loved this video! Earned a sub. :) (Ew the internet has ruined that word for me lmaooo)
Lmaooooooo I don’t look on Twitter these days so many words ruined hahaha
Thank you for the video!!!!
Thank you for watching!
He produced half of Lana’s albums, all of which are absolute masterpieces (especially NFR) so he’s definitely making it better
Not gonna lie at first I did believe this and now I realize not every song he produced is gonna be a bop and there will be misses but I don’t think he’s ruining pop… especially after finding out he produced “want you in my room” by Carly Rae jepsen… an EXTREAmly poppy song and one of the best on dedicated
I think Bloodpop is comparably recognizable I wish you mentioned him when you compared to other recognizable big pop producers.
I agree but he’s a bit more anon than Jack for sure, I feel like he tries to keep a low profile.
He helped make Folklore so he can do no wrong in my eyes.
Don’t forget NFR!
The notion that people don’t love solar power is nauseating to me 😩
People wanted Melodrama 2.0 so badly… like it had been 4 years since that album, let it go lmao!
As a Jack Antonoff stan with a huge biased towards him. Fuck The Haters
Fair! He’s earned a fandom of his own!
I’m so early 🎃
Aaaaah love your profile pic!
Yes.
(A certain segment of pop, maybe.) I’d be scared if he worked with like Dua or Gaga… sure we’ll get hits but pop will be sorta inert if that ever happened.
He has a trademark sound and cohesive but is not the same, NFR and melodrama don't sound the same, midnight either...
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I wasn’t going to say anything at all but my TL has been weird AF
@@EljohnMacaranas they just can’t stand it when people shine.
Not you pronouncing Sara Bareilles like aurora borealis hiflkdhfglkdh 🙃
For the future, it's "Burr (like you're shivering cold) - Ellis (like the island in NYC)" :) I love her and her music!
Lmaoooo I’m embarrassed but also thanks for the heads up!!!! Lmaoooo i always be pronouncing wrong on here
I Love Jack since fun and the begining of Bleachers. I Love What he creates for himself. I think All these people who claim he’a generic and repetitive haven’t listened to his own music. It’s nothing alike songs he produced for others. He can make a complete pop banger, but I think it’s floating ballads is what his doing the best (but I love Want You In My Room by CRJ the most)
I’ll forever be by his side whatever he will do for the music industry
Like his Bleachers albums (and shows) are so much fun!
sorry but I find his production style very one dimentional predictable. Pretty much every song is going to have washed out kick drums and compressed vocals with lots of reverb. I like that he seems to give the singers he works with a lot of freedom but the only Jack produced album I can still listen to and not cringe is NFR. Aaron Dessner supremacy!
Aaron is definitely the stronger producer if we’re going history (and the superior 3am tracks), I mean other than Lana and some of the alt girls, it’s clear a good chunk of his people want that sound on their songs. Kinda like how everyone used Valencia on Instagram back in 2013…
Video on Greg Kristin
Honestly I should, he’s hella underrated
great video that shut them up.
Thanks!
Short answer: No
Yep!
I love jack!!
i think most ppl do
I believe Jack is receiving a lot of negative comments, however if all these talented artists choose to work with him, that means something. Artists have their say so if the final product does not appeal to all, it can’t just be him. It’s a team job and personally yes I miss some of Lana’s sounds from early years BUT I also adore what they’ve done together.
yes he is.
i love the word ergo
i always try to sprinkle it in when i can, it’s made for video essays but irl ppl go “ok jacob abbott elementary”
I disagree with this accusation that jack is "bland producer" but I also understand where these people are coming from.
The songs from midnights that went off (anti hero, bejeweled, karma) are all pretty mid. If they weren't taylor's song I probably would never have listened to them twice. But songs like vigilante shit, maroon, midnight rain 🤌🏽😘 THE LAKES!!!!!!! 😍
I think it's overexposure.
It gets repetitive.
True, combined with the ability to easily discuss music vs when stans had to use forums to discuss music. Max Martin and Dr **** would have faced similar “ruining pop” discourse too in 2012-13 had twitter been as big as it is now for discourse
You know gay, i love you. Really, i do. You are that moderngurlz, offensivetea kind of humor but for me cuz also gay and that kind of gay, you know what a mean, so yes. TELL US, TELL THEM TO GO AND TOUCH SOME GRASS GIRLS AND GAYS. I love how the god os the algorith brought you to my life. thank you for your work. Subscribed.
thank u, i make these videos in between touching grass and cancelling on my dates bc i decided that i value eating taco bell over gratifying subpar men, bless 💅
@@EljohnMacaranas We are not vicitims of our circumstances.
Please do Rina Sawayamaaaa
I have a video on Rina! She's also going to be talked about in my Top Albums of 2022 video.
"Go touch some grass"
Jack is amazing! Solar Power isnt even that bad!
I r do think it was him basically having a backlog of projects that all came out around the same time 😭
@@EljohnMacaranas I agree! & even if there are similarities, the songs are all bops so I'm not even mad about it. I spent last night watching all of your videos, Keep up the great work!
@@EljohnMacaranas The similarities between "Wild at Heart"/"Stoned at the Nail Salon" aren't just a backlog in projects. Lorde took her "Stoned at the Nail Salon" demo to Jack in mid 2019, so there was plenty of time to change it if someone even hinted that it might sound like a Lana song. Jack just decided to do a copy/paste.
There was also the outro on both "Solar Power" and "At The Holiday Party" from St. Vincent sounding very similar. Songs released within a few weeks of each other, so there was no time for the artist to copy. I wonder who came up with the idea for those outros? Another Jack copy/paste.
Those plagiarism accusations have been incredibly damaging to Lorde's career. Each time someone writes an article about Jack and the women he works with, they inevitably mention the similarities.
Jack did a huge amount of damage, something that might take 10 years or more for Lorde to overcome. Hopefully there will be no Jack Antonoff on any Lorde album again.
yes, yes he is
as a lana fan of 10 years, i learned that the "all of this artist's music sounds the same" argument is full BS. lana was a victim of that too, and her discography is so diverse locals couldn't EVER imagine. "ruining pop" is obvi clickbait but i just don't get how you could do that. even if jack was sh*t and overrated and talentless, there would still be tons of pop girlies who are doing just fine and moving the industry forward (billie, charli xcx, rina sawayama come to mind).
now, in the lana fandom i often see ppl getting tired of jack considering lana's first 3-ish records were cinematic and produced AF. like a portion wants rick nowels and emile haynie back for sure (idc, i trust ldr's artistic direction).
you should do a video about Madonna because she is the Queen of Pop and without Madonna none of those women would have ever had a career and if you don't think so maybe you should do some research
ok grandpa
@@EljohnMacaranas it was just a suggestion fatso
I don't think he ruined pop.
I just don't like his work that much.
Mellon head got me 😂😂
I hope pop comes crashing down because it's mostly just made to sound good in advertisements or stores. There's no flavor anymore and Jack is pushing back against the corporate pop sound
The fact Harry’s House which I enjoyed (as house cleaning music and shopping soundtrack) won AOTY… Jack’s the least of our problems
@@EljohnMacaranas I mean the music industry’s gonna win every time anyway so Harry winning doesn’t really say much 🤷🏻♂️ I don’t mean that in a way that is spiteful or anything, I just think it’s a bit sad that the corporate level of the music industry controls the direction of how music is sounding
Yah pop artists can choose the sound they want for the most part, but as can be seen in Taylor’s past, she hasn’t ever had full control on making what she wants
solar power isn’t even bad
trust if this was some other artist’s album, they’d love it, Lorde just has such a huge reputation behind her they wanted to stonewall her the moment she slipped
I Don’t want live forever lyric’s are mine ! Jack Is a
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Simple answer. NO. End of conversation
No
I’m sorry solar power is my favorite Lorde album 🫣
Honestly, you are Lorde’s bravest soldier 🫡
If midnights was hip hop that melon head would have given it a 10
Like no one takes his opinion seriously 🤣
Spilled. LBR.