Jo Johnson challenged if senior ministers would recommend own children not to go to university
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Lewis Goodall discusses the govt's latest position that "grades don't really matter" as he asks Jo Johnson whether senior ministers would recommend their own children don't go down the university route.
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The only thing that has taken us from Blair's "Education, Education, Education" to Sunak's "Well, no-one asks about them after a while" - is thirteen Years of Tory Austerity and Cuts to Education !
The Tories have always wanted the population to be as ignorant as possible
Great point about talking about other people's kids when you're the one setting the conditions of lawfare.
Isn’t it totally arbitrary and contrary to consistency between cohorts if a government can decide how exams should be graded from one year to the next?
One rule for them and another for us. It's always been the case
Like many of my generation my pathway to social mobility and a better life was through University education. None of my sisters or their families did so and they remained rooted at the bottom of the social ladder. That children from less advantaged economic backgrounds are being failed by the education system is the result of dreadful government education policy, pressure on resources and the loss of the ideals of knowledge and education in society. Ultimately, government interference is to blame.
It so sad to me that education in this counrty is failing. Surely its to the benefit of our country that we educate all children to the highest degree they can possibly achieve. Intellect is not restricted to those blessed with money
Going to University to study Science or Engineering is essential and certainly not “academic” as Johnson suggests. It says a lot about Johnson and his clan who are technically ignorant.
What does he think is academic?
@@normanchristie4524 only things that promote the free market.
Let's be honest, Mr Johnson would not be in his current position if it wasn't for his brother. Boris has shown it doesn't matter about education, ability or talent. All you need is a boss who is as corrupt as boris and you get to the top no matter how incompetent you are.
I come from a disadvantaged background and going to university truly changed my outlook and ultimately my life. I now have a middle management corporate job and by every measure I'm fulfilling my ambitions for my life. That said, had I applied myself to becoming a plumber or electrician and set up my own business, I'd likely be earning a lot more than I am now. The question is not whether you want to go to university. The question is how you want to apply your strengths to live your best life. Side note, in my view, social mobility derives from families having a long-term multigenerational strategy. Going to university merely forges one link in the chain, but that chain is easily broken.
What makes me laugh is the amount of money is spent on the university budget vs young people's pay the UK spends less now then in previous years and its like a small fraction of our economy. Somehow there is no logic to not fund well higher education as it helps the UK economy for those specialised skills. The Tories and particularly this government are possibly the stupidest people in power to date short-sighted and the ship is sinking and there stand and sipping coffee like rainbows and unicorns. The state made a mess of the universities and they wipe there hands clean, doesn't sound so responsible or fair on anyone rich or poor
Gillian Keegan is one silly billy, in the words of Mike Yarwood Dennis Healey's impersonation. Typical present Tory minister, as thick as A level spuds.
Why would a government minister’s child need a route out of poverty?
And would they respect me more if I got into a better academic course than they did?
What ARE they talking about?!!
Why do journalists only know what politicians tell them about education?
I give up, I really do😢
Yup. Your frustration is completely understandable, and relatable.
University isn't for everyone or every employer quite frankly, but there should be other viable alternatives that employers and young people recognize as valuable qualifications that can substantial career progression and social mobility. This also means significant industrial policy backed with public investment which the UK has failed to do for decades now.
Being a product of the 40s, with a widowed mother higher education was out of the question. I left a senior secondary school at 15 and was given an apprenticeship in electrical engineering. I was lucky, the company I worked for had a graduate engineer who insisted that all his apprentices studied ONC. This wasa step too far for most, to be honest I didn't get far but it sowed seeds for later. Eventually I seriously applied myself in a different direction and achieved engineering diplomas and finally an OU degree.
Johnson is an ignorant chump.
If university grades don't matter, why all the focus on preuniversity grades or on which school to send one's children to?
Ok, this is patronising and silly. I’m a teacher who teaches the disadvantaged and who was disadvantaged. It’s taken me 25 years to acquire the material wealth necessary to count as middle class. I still don’t have the social capital and I live in an old council house far from any city. I have a degree, a PGCE, a Master’s (with distinction) and I’m studying for a PhD. If I was a highly skilled worker I would have experienced much more social mobility. You should pursue academic study if you love it. It is unlikely to give you a route out of poverty.
So 1) you are giving *terrible* advice and 2) you’re undervaluing pupils who could achieve more than you in the caring or skilled professions.
What you’re really saying middle class attitudes don’t hav e to change; rather, working class kids should look much more like upper middle class kids. It’s just like Starmer’s drivel about oracy; a blatant attempt to preserve middle class privilege.
Just, shush.
This is exactly what the Tories have been working towards. They want the university’s for private schools ( fee paying ) Grammar schools (state funded) only. After all we have to keep the poor/ working class in their place so we can exploit them.
As a parent of a child going to university and a family who has made sacrifices to afford it, I appreciate when someone who attended a public school and then Oxford or Cambridge explains that the importance of attending those universities may be overblown. It is disheartening to see the great hypocrisy of our ruling class, which is often on display in shows like "Yes, Minister," where top civil servants only consider graduates from those two universities. This hypocrisy is similar to Putin's call for everyday families in Russia to serve the fatherland while allowing wealthy families to keep their children away from the front lines.
How did private schools kids, exam results, compare this year with public schools 🤔
"A Level grades don't matter" how arrogant of this Conservative government!!!! Most graduate jobs in law and other professions ask for specific A Level and GCSE grades from applicants. Utter BS from a Sunak and his out of touch government!!!!!!
I remember being at university with a middle aged student who had had to leave her job to come and get her degree because she was told she couldn't be promoted without one.
Now you have a govt lying to the public - AGAIN - knowing they aren't bothering with options for those who genuinely don't want the academic route.
Just terrify them and leave them on the scrap heap with poor pay and conditions 😒
I was one of those socially disadvantaged people for whom Higher Education was my passport, not only to greater social mobility, but to greater job opportunities. This government has handled the whole situation with the most unutterable incompetence. But, to be honest, I expected no less.
these toffs just want a nation of rulers and proles
Jo is a grifter
Yes of course there should be alternative routes, other than A-Levels and then onto university. But the time to deliver that message is not during a TV interview with the Secretary of State for Education about this year’s A-Level results and grade deflation. If you’re going to say, ‘never mind you can do an apprenticeship instead’ that makes it second class, a second choice for failures. Actually it’s not what Gillian Keegan said, she said everyone would have a (uni) place, nothing to worry about. But she denigrated the value of A-Levels because she doesn’t have any.
I can say with all honesty that in the last 40 years, education has been attacked by Right Wing Conservatives around the world. It has been constantly pushed that Unis are a breeding ground for radical Lefty Communists. To the point now that many Right Wing Conservative Parents believe more in home schooling over the system due to those ideas. And Conservative Govts had gone out of their way to make Uni a lot more expensive, which makes it unaffordable for many. Trade schools have also been defunded and there are less now than in the 70's.
This is why there is a skills shortage around the world. I live in Australia, and every time there is a boom, such as the mining industry, they bring people in from overseas to fill the gaps, because there is no training between the booms. But they bring in people, but still do very little training of the local population.
And I will add, over the last 15 years on social media, a lot of people do not even have the ability to do basic research. I am constantly asked for links or to explain something when a simple Google search will provide them with the answers. The education level of the population is going down, not up.
And the fact that young people in Europe are moving towards right wing govts shows it. They have fallen for the propaganda of, if you are poor, it is your own fault. Immigrants are the root of all their problems. The Left is attacking them and their rights and want to destroy the world. Young people are believing that sort of garbage now. Too busy looking at their phones instead of looking at the world.
I never got a degree, I work for a very prestigious university and can duke it out with the best of them. Having worked in the higher end of academia for 15 years, I feel there is a certain amount of snobbery from politicians and the media as the majority of people from these fields have been steeped in these institutions. University isn’t for everyone. Many nations like Britain need more people with practical skills.
When hiring, the last thing I need is someone with a pointless qualification in something completely inconsequential. I’d sooner hire someone with passion and experience.
What we need is for non academic areas of skill to be elevated to the point they hold as much prestige and status as academia does so people of every class choose them over uni. Not try to discourage working people from uni so they end up in lower paid and unappreciated jobs while the children of the rich keep getting degrees and slotting easily into the ranks of the establishment
Have they invented a Time Machine and used it on Blo-Jo’s dad? 😳😂
A-Levels are outmoded. Universities DO NOT have exclusively final exams. There are course modules which have grades applied to them. So why should A-Level students be asked to do final exams to enter a system that doesn't itself rely on them?
Grade inflation has been a serious problem both pre and during University education, but discriminating against students by introducing harsher grading within the existing system was unfair and unjust. If grading needed reform a new more stratified grading system should have been introduced.