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If Marlene had asked Ellie what she wanted and Ellie said "no" to the surgery, would Marlene have gone ahead anyway? Should she go ahead even against Ellie's wishes? If so, what would be the point of asking Ellie?
@@Martyntd5 I asked myself the same question. And I think no matter what Ellie's answer was, Marlene still would've went thru with the surgery. She's was wayyy to invested in the cure by now. This surgery isn't a guarantee, But She's willing to sacrifice her, And while Ellie meant something to her, it's not even close to how Joel feels about Ellie. He wasn't about to lose another kid..
@@debhorne150 I agree. There is a reason we dont kill people for medical experiments. Even if they asked Ellie and even if they would honour her answer, they are not really giving her a choice. It's too much to put on somebody, let alone a kid. But, Marlene and the Fireflies didnt give Ellie the choice, they were about to murder her for a medical experiment. They were gonna do it anyway. Joel did the right thing ...and the only thing a parent could do.
Even if the cure worked, manufacturing it on a large scale would be a whole new problem, and all the different "groups" of people would be fighting over control and who it gets distributed to. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think a cure would fix their problems at this point.
Yes. Also the raiders and slavers there's no way for them to just be like oh yeah let's get cure and re enter society. Plus there's a lot of FEDRA QZ that won't give up power too. Plus how would you get it overseas? Are intercontinental travels still a thing?
Yes. I absolutely believe that Joel made the correct decision: 1. Not allowing Ellie the autonomy to make the decision about her own life was a terrible choice. 2. Brutalizing Joel to get rid of him was a big mistake - the decision for whether Ellie should undergo this procedure could have been discussed between Ellie and Joel. This would not have lessened the emotional pain, but it would have meant some closure...it would have been ethically sound. 3. Distributing the vaccine would have been completely up to the Fireflies. They would have made it contingent on possible recipients to do or act in ways to benefit the Fireflies. Distribution would have been a nightmare. 4. It was said they "thought" they had a cure. Considering the nearly zero resources to make this vaccine happen, all this effort to get Ellie into that operating room seems questionable. 5. Uh...I think humanity at this point is beyond saving. If some other freak of nature happens in the future that creates more immune kids, mayyyybe things could improve slowly and progressively. As it now stands, humanity is not really deserving of a second chance when the world is nothing but pockets of survivors gleefully doing atrocious things. I know, TLDR. Just my thinking process that tells me that JOEL WAS 100% RIGHT! P.S. I was stunned at the familial similarities between Ashley Johnson and Bella Ramsey. Truly inspired casting, and really amazing considering who Ashley Johnson is. Great reaction!
@@leahvogelsimpsondid the right thing murdering people? What lol the Joel justification is crazy. We can agree that he did what was right to HIM, but still very ethically wrong
Just in case anybody was wondering, the background was obviously CGI, but the Giraffe's head was real. They got the Giraffe to pop it's head up into a large blue box where Bella fed it and then green-screened it onto the background. There is a 'making of' video.
It was the way he looked at her as she's feeding the giraffe n the "It wasn't time that did it" that made this episode for me.. 😍 I mean their relationship is everything at this point.
Honestly I blame Marlene’s impatience for Joel taking out the fireflies here. If she’d waited a couple more hours and let Ellie and Joel talk, as well as explain the situation to Ellie, Ellie might have talked Joel into accepting it. But she rushed it. Not getting into how foolish a decision it is to let a very inexperienced surgeon kill your only subject right away without running other tests first, the least she should have done is give them a chance to say goodbye after everything they’d been through. She asked for what happened.
16:38 its something that has never been done before so would it even work if Joel would have let them do it? i wouldn't sacrifice some1 for a maybe even as 3th party, better lab and option to study her to maybe even find a better way without life loss, i would have even turned on my boss/Marlene for that if i were 1of her team, but still its her impatience fault cause years of study would have made a lot of difference + what some1 else here said: Even if the cure worked, manufacturing it on a large scale would be a whole new problem, and all the different "groups" of people would be fighting over control and who it gets distributed to. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think a cure would fix their problems at this point.
Joel killing all those people with the peaceful music gives me the idea he wasn't really thinking but instead just thinking about Ellie and getting to her. I love this show
I feel lucky that this was my first experience w/ TLOU. The hospital scene was brutally beautiful. The acting was phenomenal. If Bella isn't nominated for an Emmy, especially after ep 8, I say we riot.🦒
My issues: 1) How the Fireflies went about it: They should've let Ellie decide and they should've let that decision happen in front of Joel so he'd know the truth. 2) Marlene's argument about how Ellie will die from clickers and raiders because "the world is broken and you could've fixed it." Lady, the world has always been broken. People have always have been doing evil, the only differences now are that there's no law and order to combat this. Human nature isn't gonna change just because you find a cure for cordyceps. Also, how are you planning on distributing this cure if it even works? I didn't hear any guarantee that it would work. 3) Joel ain't in the right either with how he handled it, but I get it.
@@zachbrown210 Nah, the series was brilliant. But yes, I think Joel had the right idea but the execution was terrifying. I wish he just explained things properly to Ellie, or at least given her some sense of what actually happened. I think she would understand tbh.
i'm SO glad i had no clue about what was coming. i've had gaming consoles but i don't consider myself a gamer by any means. and watching this in live action, seeing how little of the infected were actually shown compared to the human element, i have to say this was a beautifully told tale of humanity. with just the right amount of Joel and Elle badassery thrown in to make it next level entertaining. loved taking this little short 9 week journey with yall. great job guys.
Awww, Trin crying with Ellie's birth & the death of her mother... i cried too! /heart emoji/ Something y'all might have missed: when Ellie's mom is singing to her as Marlene approaches, the song is by 80s synth pop group A-ha', it's their only other well-known single besides Take On Me. This ties us back to episode 907-- the A'ha album (cassette) is shown on Ellie's desk and of course Take On Me is played during the escalator scene at the mall. Anyway: the song Ellie's mom sings to her is called The Sun Always Shines on TV... check it out if you haven't/don't know it, it's a great tune! Love ur reaction vids guys!
I figured I’d cry or tear up at least once, like every other episode. But not the whole dang time 😅. I was just emotional, between their relationship, the giraffes lol, the wonder and fear of wondering if Joel was going to die, his helplessness when he learned what was happening. And then his autopilot badass mission getting her out of there. Now I do realize there’s some questioning as to whether what he did was right. But I feel they were wrong in not telling her anything. Not telling her what was going to happen to her, not giving her the respect of making her own decision. So under the immediate circumstances, I understood his reaction and I wanted him to get her out of there as well. I have a feeling this will be an issue later on. Between them, and in general overall. But she deserved to make her own choice with all the information.
Also I feel like they sort of jumped the gun a bit by going right to “let’s take her brain out”. Couldn’t they have studied her more? Perhaps start with the bite/cordyceps on her arm.
@@luciacorbalan3142 I can understand that. I still think they could have started with cutting some out of her arm. Run some different tests. Albeit I’m not a scientist or a doctor. It was just a thought I had that seems to make at least some sense.
Yes I do adamantly agree with Joel. Marlene just always was treating Ellie as a lab animal to be sacrificed in an experiment. It's completely against medical ethics which have been taught since WWII and the practices of the Nazis experimentation on prisoners. I was friends with a French woman whose whole family was killed by the Nazis. She had twin sisters who were "sacrificed" in his experiments. I am appalled at the "greater good" argument going on. However Neil Druckmann has said that 100% of gamer parents asked agreed with Joel and 50% of non parents. So with no "stake in the game" people kill Ellie for a possibility of a maybe cure being developed theoretically from the Ellie "lab rat" to be sacrificed and worst of all the argument is that Joel is "selfish" for not being ready to kill her.
Long comment, start reading at your own risk, haha. I knew a few tidbits from the first game, such as Sarah's death occurring on the night of the outbreak and that the story centred around Joel guiding Ellie across country and forming a father-daughter type bond along the way, I haven't actually played the games, however, so this series has been quite the journey. Ellie's birth scene was amazing... and tragic... and scary... and beautiful... and really interesting as the likely source of her immunity. What a devastating thing for Marlene though. They certainly were very different people, but like Joel, Marlene was someone hardened by this world. They also both made the same mistake at the end, taking the decision away from Ellie. I love that following the flashback they then opened up with Ellie's trauma and the change in her personality, hard as it was to see. It is realistic, though, as the experiences she has had over the previous months would undoubtedly damage a person. Especially a teenager, their hormone riddled bodies and brains being generally ill equipped to deal with their emotions as it is, haha..... we've all been there. Some of the conversations in this episode were so well crafted. The one where Joel tells Ellie they can still turn around, go live a quiet life back at Tommy's, and she responds that they have to go all the way with their mission perfectly foreshadows Joel's conflict later in the episode. He knows Ellie would probably choose to die for a shot at saving humanity, but he just can't stand to lose her. I also loved the conversation where Joel discusses trying to kill himself. It was the most honest and vulnerable Joel has been with her throughout. I think he realised she was needing that from him, but it was also something he simply wanted to give to her to show just how much she had come to mean to him. He was expressing to her that as dark and painful as it may get at times, you will find the light and the beauty again. You will find yourself again. That of course culminated in the moment where he indicates to Ellie that it was she that had healed him from the wound that was the loss of Sarah, she who had led him back to the light, the beauty, and to himself again - such a touching moment. Seeing Joel come from being this person who was extremely closed-off and bitter for 20yrs to this moment of open vulnerability and hope was such a great representation of that healing and how far their relationship had come. The sound design on the hospital rescue scene (where Joel rescues Ellie from the surgeon's knife) was amazing. The music was dominant, with the sounds of gunshots, spent shells pinging on the floor, and the occasional agonised scream heard underneath it. That, and the music itself, created a great deal of tension and left a sombre sense in the air. This was no moment of triumph or joy and I think we got that same sombre sense from Joel in the car afterwards. Sure he saved Ellie, but he again had to kill to do it and he also understands that he may have just resigned humanity to eventual extinction. You can see in that moment that he's hugely conflicted and he knows that he acted somewhat selfishly, but he so desperately wanted Ellie to have the chance at a full and decent life that Sarah never got. He also knows that Marlene was probably right when she said that Ellie would give her life for a cure. Afterall, that's why he lies to her, right? Because she would have chosen to sacrifice herself and would be pissed that he did what he did. Despite this, despite knowing that Ellie would probably choose the surgery, he still couldn't bring himself to let her go. Whilst we can all make the argument for why Joel should have acted for the greater good, I think we can all understand why he didn't also, so it's super hard to be highly critical of him or claim that we wouldn't do the same. I think it's this juxtaposition that makes this ending such a compelling one. Ultimately, however, as I said above this should have been Ellie's decision to make and both Joel and Marlene took it from her. They should have fully informed her and then supported/helped her in making her decision in her own time and free from pressure or coercion. Joel and Ellie's final conversation was again brilliantly crafted. In opening up about Riley I think Ellie was essentially saying to Joel, "Hey, this is my deepest, most painful secret and I'm about to be totally honest with you about it, so I expect you to be the same when I ask you about what happened back at the hospital." She obviously has her doubts about Joel's story, but I think she so desperately wants it to be true, so desperately wants to have not been betrayed by the one person she trusts and loves in this world, that she's willing herself to accept it. Deep down, however, I think there's a part of her that knows he's lying. Please, no spoilers, but I can't help thinking that Joel's lie is going to come back to bite him in the second game/season. Through all this trauma and adversity they've slowly built a loving relationship on a foundation of openness and trust. This fact was really highlighted by the conversations they shared throughout this episode, so I suspect that trust will be broken when Ellie learns the truth about what happened at the hospital and that she still might hold the potential for a cure. Though it pains me to say, I think this will likely be a major source of conflict between the two next season. Anyway, this first season has been great. The writing, the music, the casting, the directing, the locations, the cinematography, the acting, etc, etc, etc has all been top notch. Special mention of course for Bella and Pedro, they've carried this story brilliantly. Thanks for your reactions, let's do it all again come season two.
When I first saw Bella Ramsey, I thought she WAS Ashley Johnson!! But I was like...no, she would have to be older than her! I was showing my hubby pics of the young Ashley Johnson and showing him how much they looked alike! I didn't know Ashley Johnson was the voice of Ellie in the video game and when I saw this episode...I was Like...LOOK!!! THAT is Ashley Johnson!! Her mom!!!
Me, just like you guys, cried in that amazing opening scene. Just wow! I’ve already read somewhere on social media that is was “Ellie’s” real mom acting like her. So I figured it out it had to be Ellie. I cried when she held her in her arms . Her little feet and hands and her looking at her mom, it really got me and than we went back to Ellie and I felt so much for this strong girl. And she’s traumatized after last episode but that giraffe 🦒 made her come out of it. Joel looked so proud when he looked at her . The other thing made me cry was when he looked at her very sincerely and said “it was not time that did it” I cried again. I watched this with my two teenage sons . And they laughed at me and made fun of me😂 saying “oh! Look! They walks into the tunnel ,” looking at me and says “”and mom cry”😂 i Don’t know why this series got me this . But you know I’m myself right now going in a trauma therapy for women being sexually abused as child . I told them this week about this episode and another women sai: ”Stop! Don’t say anything more! I haven’t yet seen the finale ! Don’t spoil anything!” 😂 So I just said to our psychotherapist “I cried a lot!” And she said it’s not strange because we come in contact with this feelings now. What I love the most I think with this series Last if Us - is this very strong bound between Joel and Ellie . That’s everything. My oldest son - who himself can’t lie - thought it was terrible that Joel lied for her . But as you guys said: he would do anything for her. My son said: “but saving everyone by letting her die.” And he said: “and he killed all those people!” And he said “this was a dark heavy episode” . But I’m thinking now of what Ellie said “I’ll follow you what ever you go”… (of course I cried when she said that) she couldn’t do that if the took her brain out and she died . I think it was coward of Marlene that not telling her. It was her life they was going to end! It’s not ok doing that without asking her. It’s cruel.
I loved watching your reactions to this. Having not played the game I really appreciated you treading so carefully as to not spoil anything for viewers. On the other hand the insight you got to share after each episode was incredible and did so much to improve my viewing experience. While show did a great job of keeping it fresh for those who played the game you did the an equally good job for me.... Thanks So Much
Yooo I just found out that Abby made an appearance here in this episode. Well not Abby but the person who's gonna play her for part 2 and so on. She was the nurse on the left who unhooked Ellie. Or I believe it's the one of the left all I know is she played one of the nurses haha
5:27 Thank you Ashley, you did an amazing job in this role and as OG Ellie. If Ashley does not get an Emmy for this I shall be personally offended on her behalf. 8:48 Straight out of the game. A most beautiful moment in Ellie's life. 11:00 NOT in the game. The game has Joel as this Ultimate badass (which he is) that has only one flaw the Murder of Sarah. HBO made Joel HUMAN. He is older, going deaf from all the shooting, has the ultimate burden of having killed innocents and he tried and failed at taking himself out. That is why I want to give him a big hug. Damn you Naughty Dog & HBO for making me cry; AGAIN. I'm on both sides. If it was ME immune and given the choice I would let the surgery happen For All Mankind (if you know you know). But if it was MY segregate Daughter I would do just what Joel did. No hesitation.
So many tears in one season. 😭 When *Trin* sniffled in the background, I had to start again immediately. - I (who didn't play the game) kept wondering who the actress Bella Ramsey reminds me of. And yes, it was Ashley Johnson. But now that I've seen the two side by side, I'm wondering why. It is probably more the facial expressions and gestures when speaking.
Thanks Rob & Trin for you’re amazing thoughts on a most amazing show The Last of Us!! You both made the experience even better, I looked forward to hearing from you both every week. Thanks mucho!!!! XXOO
Awesome reaction to the season! Great job, both of you. Rob, I’m sure I’m not the first person to ask you this, but has anyone ever told you how much you look like the actor Paul Giamatti? You guys could be brothers!
Alot of people complained this finale was boring but I loved it. They also announced for when they make the show on Part 2 it will take multiple seasons.
Where were you watching people say that? For me I feel like only negative thing that was said the most was it was maybe too short. And of course the most talked about stuff is the ending and good and bad and wrong character decisions
16:38 its something that has never been done before so would it even work if Joel would have let them do it? i wouldn't sacrifice some1 for a maybe even as 3th party, better lab and option to study her to maybe even find a better way without life loss, i would have even turned on my boss/Marlene for that if i were 1of her team, but still its her impatience fault cause years of study would have made a lot of difference + what some1 else here said: Even if the cure worked, manufacturing it on a large scale would be a whole new problem, and all the different "groups" of people would be fighting over control and who it gets distributed to. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think a cure would fix their problems at this point
He loves her as much as he loved his daughter, although it’s a much different relationship, the depth of his love is still the same. He wasn’t going to go thru what he went thru again, no matter what.
Bill wrote it best; “But I was wrong because there’s one person worth saving. And that’s what I did. I saved him, and then I protected him. That’s why men like you and me are here. We have a job to do, and god help any motherfuckers who stand in our way.”
it was acutally kind of implied in the game that Joel atleast thought about it. I dont really remember but there was one scene where ellie pointed at the pople who k
Not an equal choice. The doc asks 'do we have enough power?' Is it reasonable that this lone doc working in an under resourced hospital (not a research hospital) will make a cure 1st time out? Marlene is used to sending people to their deaths--she has been doing it for 20 years. She saw her as so disposable, she rids herself of any momento from her friend---or representing Ellie. She also represents the state which makes cold decisions as we have seen in real world experiences of citizens held hostage. Like Henry and Sam, a family will give the world to have their loved one returned to them, alive. The next stage appears to be conflicting views of life. Joel has idealized Ellie and his relationship with her b/c he is so relieved not to have failed--along with moving forward with a new family. Ellie has never had a family or been part of a daughter-parent dynamic. Both are very traumatized. Re-integration will be difficult
I love the attachment he has made with her. Think about it. the story he tells is the truth. They stop looking, he is a raider and they were attacked. No body left to say otherwise. He left her with no guilt to go and live.
So, it took me while before I recognised Ashley here. First I just thought they casted Ellie's mother really well, but I was just slow again.. they casted Ellie to play Ellie's mother, obviously. Great performance from Ashley!
The fact that the actor for Carl Grimes has a gaming channel and plays the last of us part two is incredible if you remember the Glenn scene than you would really like to see his acting there with the introduction of Ellie to Abby
Yeah apparently it's still applies to the first seconds of the video, but we will still try to be careful because never know when these rules change again :)
As much as I love this episode, it still felt rushed to me, i wish they did 10 episodes instead, had this episode as an explore episode when they get trapped in the tunnel/ bus when it fluds and then episode 10 be the final countdown, because the episode was way to rushed.
@@Andjelka99 I wouldn’t be surprised if in general they had to take a bit of time to finish polishing it up too. I obviously can’t wait though because I just remembered having a dream where I got to play it finally!
I'm personally not gonna watch Season 2 if they decide to do the 2nd game. But Season 1 was easily at least a 9/10, the best game to TV show adaption we've had to date.
Honnêtement, la série m’a un peu déçue. Pas pour les acteurs et actrices, très bons. Pas pour les superbes décors post-apocalytiques. Pas pour les personnages attachants. Mais pour le scénario de certains épisodes qui consiste à trouver une façon de mourir à des nouveaux personnages introduits au début d'un épisode. C’est un peu minimaliste, je trouve. Mais bon, j'espère que la saison 2 apportera ce que j'entendais de la part des fans du jeu : une super histoire. Parce que là, c’est un 7/10 pour moi.
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I enjoyed this episode alot also guys. It really pulls on the heartstrings and still gave us awesome content! 😍
"...it wasn't time that did it"
Man, that killed me.
If Marlene had asked Ellie what she wanted and Ellie said "no" to the surgery, would Marlene have gone ahead anyway? Should she go ahead even against Ellie's wishes? If so, what would be the point of asking Ellie?
@@Martyntd5 I asked myself the same question. And I think no matter what Ellie's answer was, Marlene still would've went thru with the surgery. She's was wayyy to invested in the cure by now. This surgery isn't a guarantee, But She's willing to sacrifice her, And while Ellie meant something to her, it's not even close to how Joel feels about Ellie. He wasn't about to lose another kid..
@@debhorne150 I agree. There is a reason we dont kill people for medical experiments. Even if they asked Ellie and even if they would honour her answer, they are not really giving her a choice. It's too much to put on somebody, let alone a kid. But, Marlene and the Fireflies didnt give Ellie the choice, they were about to murder her for a medical experiment. They were gonna do it anyway. Joel did the right thing ...and the only thing a parent could do.
Even if the cure worked, manufacturing it on a large scale would be a whole new problem, and all the different "groups" of people would be fighting over control and who it gets distributed to. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think a cure would fix their problems at this point.
Yes. Also the raiders and slavers there's no way for them to just be like oh yeah let's get cure and re enter society. Plus there's a lot of FEDRA QZ that won't give up power too. Plus how would you get it overseas? Are intercontinental travels still a thing?
You're right it wouldn't. Joel did the right thing.
Yes. I absolutely believe that Joel made the correct decision:
1. Not allowing Ellie the autonomy to make the decision about her own life was a terrible choice.
2. Brutalizing Joel to get rid of him was a big mistake - the decision for whether Ellie should undergo this procedure could have been discussed between Ellie and Joel. This would not have lessened the emotional pain, but it would have meant some closure...it would have been ethically sound.
3. Distributing the vaccine would have been completely up to the Fireflies. They would have made it contingent on possible recipients to do or act in ways to benefit the Fireflies. Distribution would have been a nightmare.
4. It was said they "thought" they had a cure. Considering the nearly zero resources to make this vaccine happen, all this effort to get Ellie into that operating room seems questionable.
5. Uh...I think humanity at this point is beyond saving. If some other freak of nature happens in the future that creates more immune kids, mayyyybe things could improve slowly and progressively. As it now stands, humanity is not really deserving of a second chance when the world is nothing but pockets of survivors gleefully doing atrocious things.
I know, TLDR. Just my thinking process that tells me that JOEL WAS 100% RIGHT!
P.S. I was stunned at the familial similarities between Ashley Johnson and Bella Ramsey. Truly inspired casting, and really amazing considering who Ashley Johnson is.
Great reaction!
Definitely not.
@@leahvogelsimpsondid the right thing murdering people? What lol the Joel justification is crazy. We can agree that he did what was right to HIM, but still very ethically wrong
Just in case anybody was wondering, the background was obviously CGI, but the Giraffe's head was real. They got the Giraffe to pop it's head up into a large blue box where Bella fed it and then green-screened it onto the background. There is a 'making of' video.
yep. They actually built the blue box in the zoo to avoid problems with transporting the giraffe.
Joel didn't care anymore 😥 he just closed his eyes and started murdering everyone just to save Ellie. She is his daughter now 🥺
It was the way he looked at her as she's feeding the giraffe n the "It wasn't time that did it" that made this episode for me.. 😍 I mean their relationship is everything at this point.
Honestly I blame Marlene’s impatience for Joel taking out the fireflies here. If she’d waited a couple more hours and let Ellie and Joel talk, as well as explain the situation to Ellie, Ellie might have talked Joel into accepting it. But she rushed it. Not getting into how foolish a decision it is to let a very inexperienced surgeon kill your only subject right away without running other tests first, the least she should have done is give them a chance to say goodbye after everything they’d been through. She asked for what happened.
16:38 its something that has never been done before so would it even work if Joel would have let them do it? i wouldn't sacrifice some1 for a maybe even as 3th party, better lab and option to study her to maybe even find a better way without life loss, i would have even turned on my boss/Marlene for that if i were 1of her team, but still its her impatience fault cause years of study would have made a lot of difference
+ what some1 else here said: Even if the cure worked, manufacturing it on a large scale would be a whole new problem, and all the different "groups" of people would be fighting over control and who it gets distributed to. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think a cure would fix their problems at this point.
Joel killing all those people with the peaceful music gives me the idea he wasn't really thinking but instead just thinking about Ellie and getting to her. I love this show
I feel lucky that this was my first experience w/ TLOU. The hospital scene was brutally beautiful. The acting was phenomenal. If Bella isn't nominated for an Emmy, especially after ep 8, I say we riot.🦒
My issues:
1) How the Fireflies went about it: They should've let Ellie decide and they should've let that decision happen in front of Joel so he'd know the truth.
2) Marlene's argument about how Ellie will die from clickers and raiders because "the world is broken and you could've fixed it." Lady, the world has always been broken. People have always have been doing evil, the only differences now are that there's no law and order to combat this. Human nature isn't gonna change just because you find a cure for cordyceps. Also, how are you planning on distributing this cure if it even works? I didn't hear any guarantee that it would work.
3) Joel ain't in the right either with how he handled it, but I get it.
@@zachbrown210 Nah, the series was brilliant. But yes, I think Joel had the right idea but the execution was terrifying. I wish he just explained things properly to Ellie, or at least given her some sense of what actually happened. I think she would understand tbh.
@@johnjungkook2721 completely agree! It was a selfish decision on Joels end.
"You fucking tell em Ellie" I'm crying, sobbing. Ellie giving birth to Ellie 😭
i'm SO glad i had no clue about what was coming. i've had gaming consoles but i don't consider myself a gamer by any means. and watching this in live action, seeing how little of the infected were actually shown compared to the human element, i have to say this was a beautifully told tale of humanity. with just the right amount of Joel and Elle badassery thrown in to make it next level entertaining. loved taking this little short 9 week journey with yall. great job guys.
One of the nurses at the end is Laura Bailey, the voice on Abby 👀
Awww, Trin crying with Ellie's birth & the death of her mother... i cried too! /heart emoji/
Something y'all might have missed: when Ellie's mom is singing to her as Marlene approaches, the song is by 80s synth pop group A-ha', it's their only other well-known single besides Take On Me. This ties us back to episode 907-- the A'ha album (cassette) is shown on Ellie's desk and of course Take On Me is played during the escalator scene at the mall. Anyway: the song Ellie's mom sings to her is called The Sun Always Shines on TV... check it out if you haven't/don't know it, it's a great tune! Love ur reaction vids guys!
Joel was calm and focused, he had one mission.
I figured I’d cry or tear up at least once, like every other episode. But not the whole dang time 😅. I was just emotional, between their relationship, the giraffes lol, the wonder and fear of wondering if Joel was going to die, his helplessness when he learned what was happening. And then his autopilot badass mission getting her out of there. Now I do realize there’s some questioning as to whether what he did was right. But I feel they were wrong in not telling her anything. Not telling her what was going to happen to her, not giving her the respect of making her own decision. So under the immediate circumstances, I understood his reaction and I wanted him to get her out of there as well. I have a feeling this will be an issue later on. Between them, and in general overall. But she deserved to make her own choice with all the information.
Also I feel like they sort of jumped the gun a bit by going right to “let’s take her brain out”. Couldn’t they have studied her more? Perhaps start with the bite/cordyceps on her arm.
Right? They were full on " we're doing this! " A little too gun ho there..
Im pretty sure that after all those years, they were pretty desperate for a cure.
@@luciacorbalan3142 I can understand that. I still think they could have started with cutting some out of her arm. Run some different tests. Albeit I’m not a scientist or a doctor. It was just a thought I had that seems to make at least some sense.
@@luciacorbalan3142 Yeah, desperation is not an excuse.
They're killing a child without her consent, or her guardian's consent.
@@johnjungkook2721 its not an excuse. I am trying to say that they were stupid for just jumping to conclusions about the cure.
Yes I do adamantly agree with Joel. Marlene just always was treating Ellie as a lab animal to be sacrificed in an experiment. It's completely against medical ethics which have been taught since WWII and the practices of the Nazis experimentation on prisoners. I was friends with a French woman whose whole family was killed by the Nazis. She had twin sisters who were "sacrificed" in his experiments.
I am appalled at the "greater good" argument going on. However Neil Druckmann has said that 100% of gamer parents asked agreed with Joel and 50% of non parents. So with no "stake in the game" people kill Ellie for a possibility of a maybe cure being developed theoretically from the Ellie "lab rat" to be sacrificed and worst of all the argument is that Joel is "selfish" for not being ready to kill her.
It's honestly bizarre the amount of people who thought that "cure" would have saved the world. If it even worked in the first place.
Long comment, start reading at your own risk, haha.
I knew a few tidbits from the first game, such as Sarah's death occurring on the night of the outbreak and that the story centred around Joel guiding Ellie across country and forming a father-daughter type bond along the way, I haven't actually played the games, however, so this series has been quite the journey.
Ellie's birth scene was amazing... and tragic... and scary... and beautiful... and really interesting as the likely source of her immunity. What a devastating thing for Marlene though. They certainly were very different people, but like Joel, Marlene was someone hardened by this world. They also both made the same mistake at the end, taking the decision away from Ellie.
I love that following the flashback they then opened up with Ellie's trauma and the change in her personality, hard as it was to see. It is realistic, though, as the experiences she has had over the previous months would undoubtedly damage a person. Especially a teenager, their hormone riddled bodies and brains being generally ill equipped to deal with their emotions as it is, haha..... we've all been there.
Some of the conversations in this episode were so well crafted. The one where Joel tells Ellie they can still turn around, go live a quiet life back at Tommy's, and she responds that they have to go all the way with their mission perfectly foreshadows Joel's conflict later in the episode. He knows Ellie would probably choose to die for a shot at saving humanity, but he just can't stand to lose her.
I also loved the conversation where Joel discusses trying to kill himself. It was the most honest and vulnerable Joel has been with her throughout. I think he realised she was needing that from him, but it was also something he simply wanted to give to her to show just how much she had come to mean to him. He was expressing to her that as dark and painful as it may get at times, you will find the light and the beauty again. You will find yourself again. That of course culminated in the moment where he indicates to Ellie that it was she that had healed him from the wound that was the loss of Sarah, she who had led him back to the light, the beauty, and to himself again - such a touching moment. Seeing Joel come from being this person who was extremely closed-off and bitter for 20yrs to this moment of open vulnerability and hope was such a great representation of that healing and how far their relationship had come.
The sound design on the hospital rescue scene (where Joel rescues Ellie from the surgeon's knife) was amazing. The music was dominant, with the sounds of gunshots, spent shells pinging on the floor, and the occasional agonised scream heard underneath it. That, and the music itself, created a great deal of tension and left a sombre sense in the air. This was no moment of triumph or joy and I think we got that same sombre sense from Joel in the car afterwards. Sure he saved Ellie, but he again had to kill to do it and he also understands that he may have just resigned humanity to eventual extinction. You can see in that moment that he's hugely conflicted and he knows that he acted somewhat selfishly, but he so desperately wanted Ellie to have the chance at a full and decent life that Sarah never got. He also knows that Marlene was probably right when she said that Ellie would give her life for a cure. Afterall, that's why he lies to her, right? Because she would have chosen to sacrifice herself and would be pissed that he did what he did. Despite this, despite knowing that Ellie would probably choose the surgery, he still couldn't bring himself to let her go. Whilst we can all make the argument for why Joel should have acted for the greater good, I think we can all understand why he didn't also, so it's super hard to be highly critical of him or claim that we wouldn't do the same. I think it's this juxtaposition that makes this ending such a compelling one. Ultimately, however, as I said above this should have been Ellie's decision to make and both Joel and Marlene took it from her. They should have fully informed her and then supported/helped her in making her decision in her own time and free from pressure or coercion.
Joel and Ellie's final conversation was again brilliantly crafted. In opening up about Riley I think Ellie was essentially saying to Joel, "Hey, this is my deepest, most painful secret and I'm about to be totally honest with you about it, so I expect you to be the same when I ask you about what happened back at the hospital." She obviously has her doubts about Joel's story, but I think she so desperately wants it to be true, so desperately wants to have not been betrayed by the one person she trusts and loves in this world, that she's willing herself to accept it. Deep down, however, I think there's a part of her that knows he's lying. Please, no spoilers, but I can't help thinking that Joel's lie is going to come back to bite him in the second game/season. Through all this trauma and adversity they've slowly built a loving relationship on a foundation of openness and trust. This fact was really highlighted by the conversations they shared throughout this episode, so I suspect that trust will be broken when Ellie learns the truth about what happened at the hospital and that she still might hold the potential for a cure. Though it pains me to say, I think this will likely be a major source of conflict between the two next season.
Anyway, this first season has been great. The writing, the music, the casting, the directing, the locations, the cinematography, the acting, etc, etc, etc has all been top notch. Special mention of course for Bella and Pedro, they've carried this story brilliantly.
Thanks for your reactions, let's do it all again come season two.
couldn't agree more. 🙂
Well said!☺️
I’ve paid the game multiple times and seeing the giraffe scene here still gets me.
When I first saw Bella Ramsey, I thought she WAS Ashley Johnson!! But I was like...no, she would have to be older than her! I was showing my hubby pics of the young Ashley Johnson and showing him how much they looked alike! I didn't know Ashley Johnson was the voice of Ellie in the video game and when I saw this episode...I was Like...LOOK!!! THAT is Ashley Johnson!! Her mom!!!
Trin stop making me cry! lol... love you! love Rob!
Just so you know The remake from PS5, IS coming out soon, I think it was pushed back to end of this month!
Me, just like you guys, cried in that amazing opening scene. Just wow! I’ve already read somewhere on social media that is was “Ellie’s” real mom acting like her. So I figured it out it had to be Ellie. I cried when she held her in her arms . Her little feet and hands and her looking at her mom, it really got me and than we went back to Ellie and I felt so much for this strong girl. And she’s traumatized after last episode but that giraffe 🦒 made her come out of it. Joel looked so proud when he looked at her . The other thing made me cry was when he looked at her very sincerely and said “it was not time that did it” I cried again. I watched this with my two teenage sons . And they laughed at me and made fun of me😂 saying “oh! Look! They walks into the tunnel ,” looking at me and says “”and mom cry”😂 i Don’t know why this series got me this . But you know I’m myself right now going in a trauma therapy for women being sexually abused as child . I told them this week about this episode and another women sai: ”Stop! Don’t say anything more! I haven’t yet seen the finale ! Don’t spoil anything!” 😂 So I just said to our psychotherapist “I cried a lot!” And she said it’s not strange because we come in contact with this feelings now. What I love the most I think with this series Last if Us - is this very strong bound between Joel and Ellie . That’s everything. My oldest son - who himself can’t lie - thought it was terrible that Joel lied for her . But as you guys said: he would do anything for her. My son said: “but saving everyone by letting her die.” And he said: “and he killed all those people!” And he said “this was a dark heavy episode” . But I’m thinking now of what Ellie said “I’ll follow you what ever you go”… (of course I cried when she said that) she couldn’t do that if the took her brain out and she died . I think it was coward of Marlene that not telling her. It was her life they was going to end! It’s not ok doing that without asking her. It’s cruel.
I loved watching your reactions to this. Having not played the game I really appreciated you treading so carefully as to not spoil anything for viewers. On the other hand the insight you got to share after each episode was incredible and did so much to improve my viewing experience. While show did a great job of keeping it fresh for those who played the game you did the an equally good job for me.... Thanks So Much
The symbolism of the game ellie giving birth to the show ellie had me in tears people...
Yooo I just found out that Abby made an appearance here in this episode. Well not Abby but the person who's gonna play her for part 2 and so on. She was the nurse on the left who unhooked Ellie. Or I believe it's the one of the left all I know is she played one of the nurses haha
5:27 Thank you Ashley, you did an amazing job in this role and as OG Ellie. If Ashley does not get an Emmy for this I shall be personally offended on her behalf. 8:48 Straight out of the game. A most beautiful moment in Ellie's life. 11:00 NOT in the game. The game has Joel as this Ultimate badass (which he is) that has only one flaw the Murder of Sarah. HBO made Joel HUMAN. He is older, going deaf from all the shooting, has the ultimate burden of having killed innocents and he tried and failed at taking himself out. That is why I want to give him a big hug. Damn you Naughty Dog & HBO for making me cry; AGAIN.
I'm on both sides. If it was ME immune and given the choice I would let the surgery happen For All Mankind (if you know you know). But if it was MY segregate Daughter I would do just what Joel did. No hesitation.
Damn that mic sounds CRISP, loving these reactions guys, keep it up ❤️
So many tears in one season. 😭 When *Trin* sniffled in the background, I had to start again immediately. -
I (who didn't play the game) kept wondering who the actress Bella Ramsey reminds me of. And yes, it was Ashley Johnson. But now that I've seen the two side by side, I'm wondering why. It is probably more the facial expressions and gestures when speaking.
Thanks Rob & Trin for you’re amazing thoughts on a most amazing show The Last of Us!! You both made the experience even better, I looked forward to hearing from you both every week. Thanks mucho!!!! XXOO
What a great ride. Thank you so much. I loved this.
Awesome reaction to the season! Great job, both of you. Rob, I’m sure I’m not the first person to ask you this, but has anyone ever told you how much you look like the actor Paul Giamatti? You guys could be brothers!
Oh thank you Ken 💕
And Paul Giamatti, I think it's the first time I had this one :)
Alot of people complained this finale was boring but I loved it. They also announced for when they make the show on Part 2 it will take multiple seasons.
Where were you watching people say that? For me I feel like only negative thing that was said the most was it was maybe too short. And of course the most talked about stuff is the ending and good and bad and wrong character decisions
Loved this episode in fact I love the whole season. And I found out the other day Bella Ramsey is English, what an amazing actress
16:38 its something that has never been done before so would it even work if Joel would have let them do it? i wouldn't sacrifice some1 for a maybe even as 3th party, better lab and option to study her to maybe even find a better way without life loss, i would have even turned on my boss/Marlene for that if i were 1of her team, but still its her impatience fault cause years of study would have made a lot of difference
+ what some1 else here said: Even if the cure worked, manufacturing it on a large scale would be a whole new problem, and all the different "groups" of people would be fighting over control and who it gets distributed to. Maybe I'm a pessimist but I don't think a cure would fix their problems at this point
Have you ever watched "Blindspot" with Ashley Johnson? HIGHLY recommend it if you havent! She was my favourite character in that!
I'm curious if your invisible partner in crime is your better half, or just great friends?
He loves her as much as he loved his daughter, although it’s a much different relationship, the depth of his love is still the same. He wasn’t going to go thru what he went thru again, no matter what.
Love this show so much!
Bill wrote it best;
“But I was wrong because there’s one person worth saving. And that’s what I did. I saved him, and then I protected him. That’s why men like you and me are here. We have a job to do, and god help any motherfuckers who stand in our way.”
The perfect episode imo.
New mic sounds great
it was acutally kind of implied in the game that Joel atleast thought about it. I dont really remember but there was one scene where ellie pointed at the pople who k
Not an equal choice. The doc asks 'do we have enough power?' Is it reasonable that this lone doc working in an under resourced hospital (not a research hospital) will make a cure 1st time out? Marlene is used to sending people to their deaths--she has been doing it for 20 years. She saw her as so disposable, she rids herself of any momento from her friend---or representing Ellie. She also represents the state which makes cold decisions as we have seen in real world experiences of citizens held hostage. Like Henry and Sam, a family will give the world to have their loved one returned to them, alive.
The next stage appears to be conflicting views of life. Joel has idealized Ellie and his relationship with her b/c he is so relieved not to have failed--along with moving forward with a new family. Ellie has never had a family or been part of a daughter-parent dynamic. Both are very traumatized. Re-integration will be difficult
They didn't tell Elie, she would die in surgery, she had plans to go anywhere with Joel, she is Joel, baby girl,.❤❤🎉🎉
Can you react to Jericho tv show from 2006 it has 2 seasons, season 1 has 23 episodes and season 2 has 7 episodes
Oh, I love that show.
aw trin you're making me cry! even tho I've already seen the episode I still love that Ellie gave birth to Ellie
I love the attachment he has made with her. Think about it. the story he tells is the truth. They stop looking, he is a raider and they were attacked. No body left to say otherwise. He left her with no guilt to go and live.
So, it took me while before I recognised Ashley here. First I just thought they casted Ellie's mother really well, but I was just slow again.. they casted Ellie to play Ellie's mother, obviously. Great performance from Ashley!
The fact that the actor for Carl Grimes has a gaming channel and plays the last of us part two is incredible if you remember the Glenn scene than you would really like to see his acting there with the introduction of Ellie to Abby
Also idk how true or if this is true at all but another youtuber said youtube went back to where people can cuss
Yeah apparently it's still applies to the first seconds of the video, but we will still try to be careful because never know when these rules change again :)
As much as I love this episode, it still felt rushed to me, i wish they did 10 episodes instead, had this episode as an explore episode when they get trapped in the tunnel/ bus when it fluds and then episode 10 be the final countdown, because the episode was way to rushed.
I remember when the Pt1 remake was supposed to be out on pc last week, that would have been amazing!!!
Pretty sure they deleyed it after show ended on purpose
@@Andjelka99 I wouldn’t be surprised if in general they had to take a bit of time to finish polishing it up too. I obviously can’t wait though because I just remembered having a dream where I got to play it finally!
i didnt know you two are gamers lol.
I'm personally not gonna watch Season 2 if they decide to do the 2nd game. But Season 1 was easily at least a 9/10, the best game to TV show adaption we've had to date.
Conflicting feelings this episode
Wish they would of shown more "infected" anyway can't wait for season 2 & 3
Y’all should check out the making of on HBO as well!
Honnêtement, la série m’a un peu déçue. Pas pour les acteurs et actrices, très bons. Pas pour les superbes décors post-apocalytiques. Pas pour les personnages attachants. Mais pour le scénario de certains épisodes qui consiste à trouver une façon de mourir à des nouveaux personnages introduits au début d'un épisode. C’est un peu minimaliste, je trouve. Mais bon, j'espère que la saison 2 apportera ce que j'entendais de la part des fans du jeu : une super histoire. Parce que là, c’est un 7/10 pour moi.
someones daughter is gonna vewy angy
Why😢
Imo the relationship between Joel and Ellie is rushed. 6 episodes is not enough time to build up that Father and Daughter relationship.
The question is: would you really leave the fate of the world in the hands of a 14 y old?