Your teaching is according to the Bible , which pleases us sound Christians. Many Christians are misled who do not read the bible and divide it. 2tim 2:15. So the wolves in sheep clothing take that advantage. Keep going good job for Jesus of Nazareth. This is from Goa .
Amen brother, you are speaking the truth that thousands of pastors should be proclaiming. Of course they will not tell the truth because they may have to get a real job and punch a time clock.
Hello Selah and Uriah's Adventures. Thank you for your comment. Here’s another study that most pastors do NOT want their church members to view… ua-cam.com/video/x6kOJsLuhBE/v-deo.html God bless you.
Most church only show the "successful" tithe testimony which is anecdotally 3% of the total church congregation BUT they don't show the failed tithe testimony which is anecdotally the other 97% of tithers who don't receive anything. The pastor knows that at least one of every hundred will have something "good" financially happen to them and then attribute it to the tithe. But if nothing "good" happens, then it's the tithers fault OR it's a test the tither is going through but if they stay "faithful" then the tither will eventually get a bigger "blessing"
Anyone can actually read the truth about Tithing and giving in the Bible if they want to ! ... First, the Bible states only edible things were to be given for Tithing, no where in the Bible does it state in the Bible to give money for Tithing ! I have read a book many many years ago by one Bible College Professor that actually writes this in his book that money was never given for Tithing. I also read that a Rabbi wrote a book which he wrote that never was money given for Tithing by the Jewish people, he stated that this was some thing the Christians came up with to get people's money, I saw this many many years ago but I can not recall where to find it, however better yet now you can actually go on the internet and find several Jewish rabbis recorded videos speaking about the Tithing laws regarding edible things and how Christians have changed things, and you can also find some printed material on the internet as well about this and books to buy, and yes they say they do give free will money offerings for financial support for their faith like we do but it is not tithing money. The internet provides so much knowledge now easily find-able if you just search for it compared to the old days without it. ... Second, things for Tithing as stated in the Bible were only to be brought to the gathering place for giving Tithes in Jerusalem, so if any churches here in the in the USA were to actually receive anything given for Tithing then the churches would need to send the stuff to the Temple in Jerusalem according to the Bible. Many ministers use the wording in the Bible about robbing from God the tithes and offerings, my question then would be if such things are not sent to the Temple in Jerusalem would the churches that receive such things be robbing from God the tithes and offerings ? Think about it ! ... Third, the Bible actually tells us not to give money for Tithing. How you may ask, the Bible gives instruction that when people had to much to be able to bring it for Tithing then the Bible instructed them to sell the stuff for money and then when they reached the place to give their Tithing the Bible tells them to use the money to buy edible things and then bring those things and not the money ! WOW ! The Bible actually tells people not to bring money for Tithing but to use money for buying edible things and then bring those things for Tithing ! Simple as that ! This is God's instruction in the Bible to not give money for Tithing ! ... Fourth, if minsters want to tell people they have to follow the old laws of Tithing then why don't the ministers have to follow all the old laws ? Why don't they practice what they preach and they follow the old laws ? They should have stone alters in their churches, and animals should be brought in for the sacrifices, and the ministers have to wear white clothing and cut the animals and smear the blood on their white clothes and on the alter and burn the fat of the animals for incense. What a bloody and smelly mess the churches would be to follow the old laws today ! .... Filth, why do ministers only try to preach the Tithing law in their interpretation of giving money and not the other laws ? There are many other laws that God gave in the Bible such as giving a certain amount of money according to your age and gender, giving a monetary amount for a sin offering, redeeming your home and property that God has provided to you (pay your mortgage but also pay an amount to God for it additionally would apply for today since we have mortgages to pay), and also giving a substitute for Tithing (When the animals were counted out the 10th was chosen for Tithing, but if the animal was wanted to be kept because it was a better animal a substitution could be given it appears. So by this if money was actually to be given today instead of edible things and the 10th of the money of $1000 was for an example was a $100 bill but the person wanted to keep it because it was much better then a $10 bill, then couldn't the $10 bill be substituted on this basis ? Think about it !). There are other laws also not preached, so it appears it is pick and choose by these ministers. ... Sixth, in the Bible it is stated that God saw that the law was not profitable for man so he disannulled the law. I have never heard ministers preach this from the Bible that the laws were changed by God. God himself changed the laws it appears in the Bible so how can any minister preach Tithing ? I once saw a minister that was preaching on TV read this chapter and when he realized what he just said on TV he realized what he just said and then he stated the Bible does not mean what he just read, he stated we ministers have to interpret the Bible and this does not mean this, so you have to keep Tithing he tells the people on TV. WOW, so a minister tells the people while on TV that the Bible does not mean what is written in it that only ministers can say what the Bible really means in it, how sad it has gotten in my opinion. ... Seventh, yes the Bible does tell us we need to support our church financially, and it also states the minister is due to be paid wages for his labor, but it also tells us to give free will offerings, and money given begrudgingly is not wanted by God. I have seen it stated by God in the Bible that he does not want our money but he wants our love, has anyone ever read this also because I have never heard any minister preach this from the Bible. ... Eigth, Some ministers seem to be forgetting what it means to preach God's true word. I have heard a few ministers tell people that if people give money to these minister's ministries that the people will go to Heaven, one minister for example told people if they gave $4,000 to his ministry that you and your whole family will go to Heaven, that he himself will go to Heaven and tell God that God has to let your whole family into Heaven because you gave $4,000 to his ministry, so he claims he can tell God what God has to do it appears. I have even heard a minister say he has thought about shooting his church members if they did not tithe to his church, WOW ! Another minister I heard say he has searched the Bible to try and find some place that it stated he could kill people that said bad things about him, but he said in what appeared to be a reluctant way to me that he could not find this in the Bible. What is wrong with these ministers ? … Ninth, Galations 3: 10-14 tells us that Jesus fulfilled the laws so we are no longer under the old laws, and if we are to continue the old laws then it tells us that we are under a curse yet and that every old law law must be obeyed, and we are still under the old laws and the curse, and that basically Jesus going to the cross and his resurrection means nothing because these ministers still place us under the old laws yet and being cursed yet it seems. Galatians 3:10-14 10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because "the righteous will live by faith." 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole." 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit. … Tenth, Melchizedik was not Jesus, as some new ministers are preaching now in case you hear this, when they claim tithing was given before the law to Melchiedik and then claim it was actually given to Jesus who was Melchiedik before the law you need to think about this, what the Bible later says about the priesthood of Melchizedik as not being perfect and therefore they are actually claiming Jesus was not perfect if he was Melchizedik. The Bible actually states that the priesthood of Melchizedik was not perfect, and therefore there was a necessity of a new priesthood through Jesus. Some of the new ministers are apparently not totally that smart about the whole Bible it appears. Unless, they believe Melchizedik was really Jesus and was not perfect and had to be reborn as Jesus to become perfect ? Does not make sense to me at all ! I do not agree when I hear some thing that does not match the words from the Bible that I read. Melchizedik was not Jesus ! ... .... Eleventh, Many ministers refer to the First Fruits as the Tithe, but apparently they are unaware that the Bible refers to Jesus as paying the First Fruits for the dead, with his death and his Resurrection ! Thus Jesus has paid the First Fruits for us and the law is fulfilled ! No more Tithing in any form or manner required through the Grace of Jesus !
Hello Brother Ron v. Thank you for your excellent comment. Everyone should read it! Here’s another study that most pastors do NOT want their church members to view… ua-cam.com/video/0PW2Hmv4_S8/v-deo.html Also, can you give me the title of the book that a Rabbi wrote about tithing? I want to read it too.Stay strong in the Lord my Brother Ron v. God bless you.
Pastor's should Teach Christians how to be good Stewards of all that the Lord gives, supplies, and blesses them with, instead of Teaching them to Pay or Give Tithes. That pressed down shaken together and running over verse in Luke is Mainly talking about Receiving Forgiveness when we are willing to practice being a Forgiver...I can't count the times I have heard Pastors use that verse to Con Christians into Giving a Tithe.
Excellent Teaching Rev. Ortiz!!!
Your teaching is according to the Bible , which pleases us sound Christians. Many Christians are misled who do not read the bible and divide it. 2tim 2:15. So the wolves in sheep clothing take that advantage. Keep going good job for Jesus of Nazareth. This is from Goa .
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Amen brother, you are speaking the truth that thousands of pastors should be proclaiming. Of course they will not tell the truth because they may have to get a real job and punch a time clock.
Hello Selah and Uriah's Adventures. Thank you for your comment. Here’s another study that most pastors do NOT want their church members to view… ua-cam.com/video/x6kOJsLuhBE/v-deo.html
God bless you.
Most church only show the "successful" tithe testimony which is anecdotally 3% of the total church congregation BUT they don't show the failed tithe testimony which is anecdotally the other 97% of tithers who don't receive anything. The pastor knows that at least one of every hundred will have something "good" financially happen to them and then attribute it to the tithe. But if nothing "good" happens, then it's the tithers fault OR it's a test the tither is going through but if they stay "faithful" then the tither will eventually get a bigger "blessing"
Anyone can actually read the truth about Tithing and giving in the Bible if they want to !
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First, the Bible states only edible things were to be given for Tithing, no where in the Bible does it state in the Bible to give money for Tithing ! I have read a book many many years ago by one Bible College Professor that actually writes this in his book that money was never given for Tithing. I also read that a Rabbi wrote a book which he wrote that never was money given for Tithing by the Jewish people, he stated that this was some thing the Christians came up with to get people's money, I saw this many many years ago but I can not recall where to find it, however better yet now you can actually go on the internet and find several Jewish rabbis recorded videos speaking about the Tithing laws regarding edible things and how Christians have changed things, and you can also find some printed material on the internet as well about this and books to buy, and yes they say they do give free will money offerings for financial support for their faith like we do but it is not tithing money. The internet provides so much knowledge now easily find-able if you just search for it compared to the old days without it.
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Second, things for Tithing as stated in the Bible were only to be brought to the gathering place for giving Tithes in Jerusalem, so if any churches here in the in the USA were to actually receive anything given for Tithing then the churches would need to send the stuff to the Temple in Jerusalem according to the Bible. Many ministers use the wording in the Bible about robbing from God the tithes and offerings, my question then would be if such things are not sent to the Temple in Jerusalem would the churches that receive such things be robbing from God the tithes and offerings ? Think about it !
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Third, the Bible actually tells us not to give money for Tithing. How you may ask, the Bible gives instruction that when people had to much to be able to bring it for Tithing then the Bible instructed them to sell the stuff for money and then when they reached the place to give their Tithing the Bible tells them to use the money to buy edible things and then bring those things and not the money ! WOW ! The Bible actually tells people not to bring money for Tithing but to use money for buying edible things and then bring those things for Tithing ! Simple as that ! This is God's instruction in the Bible to not give money for Tithing !
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Fourth, if minsters want to tell people they have to follow the old laws of Tithing then why don't the ministers have to follow all the old laws ? Why don't they practice what they preach and they follow the old laws ? They should have stone alters in their churches, and animals should be brought in for the sacrifices, and the ministers have to wear white clothing and cut the animals and smear the blood on their white clothes and on the alter and burn the fat of the animals for incense. What a bloody and smelly mess the churches would be to follow the old laws today !
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Filth, why do ministers only try to preach the Tithing law in their interpretation of giving money and not the other laws ? There are many other laws that God gave in the Bible such as giving a certain amount of money according to your age and gender, giving a monetary amount for a sin offering, redeeming your home and property that God has provided to you (pay your mortgage but also pay an amount to God for it additionally would apply for today since we have mortgages to pay), and also giving a substitute for Tithing (When the animals were counted out the 10th was chosen for Tithing, but if the animal was wanted to be kept because it was a better animal a substitution could be given it appears. So by this if money was actually to be given today instead of edible things and the 10th of the money of $1000 was for an example was a $100 bill but the person wanted to keep it because it was much better then a $10 bill, then couldn't the $10 bill be substituted on this basis ? Think about it !). There are other laws also not preached, so it appears it is pick and choose by these ministers.
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Sixth, in the Bible it is stated that God saw that the law was not profitable for man so he disannulled the law. I have never heard ministers preach this from the Bible that the laws were changed by God. God himself changed the laws it appears in the Bible so how can any minister preach Tithing ? I once saw a minister that was preaching on TV read this chapter and when he realized what he just said on TV he realized what he just said and then he stated the Bible does not mean what he just read, he stated we ministers have to interpret the Bible and this does not mean this, so you have to keep Tithing he tells the people on TV. WOW, so a minister tells the people while on TV that the Bible does not mean what is written in it that only ministers can say what the Bible really means in it, how sad it has gotten in my opinion.
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Seventh, yes the Bible does tell us we need to support our church financially, and it also states the minister is due to be paid wages for his labor, but it also tells us to give free will offerings, and money given begrudgingly is not wanted by God. I have seen it stated by God in the Bible that he does not want our money but he wants our love, has anyone ever read this also because I have never heard any minister preach this from the Bible.
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Eigth, Some ministers seem to be forgetting what it means to preach God's true word. I have heard a few ministers tell people that if people give money to these minister's ministries that the people will go to Heaven, one minister for example told people if they gave $4,000 to his ministry that you and your whole family will go to Heaven, that he himself will go to Heaven and tell God that God has to let your whole family into Heaven because you gave $4,000 to his ministry, so he claims he can tell God what God has to do it appears. I have even heard a minister say he has thought about shooting his church members if they did not tithe to his church, WOW ! Another minister I heard say he has searched the Bible to try and find some place that it stated he could kill people that said bad things about him, but he said in what appeared to be a reluctant way to me that he could not find this in the Bible. What is wrong with these ministers ?
… Ninth, Galations 3: 10-14 tells us that Jesus fulfilled the laws so we are no longer under the old laws, and if we are to continue the old laws then it tells us that we are under a curse yet and that every old law law must be obeyed, and we are still under the old laws and the curse, and that basically Jesus going to the cross and his resurrection means nothing because these ministers still place us under the old laws yet and being cursed yet it seems.
Galatians 3:10-14 10For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law." 11Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because "the righteous will live by faith." 12The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, "The person who does these things will live by them." 13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole." 14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
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Tenth, Melchizedik was not Jesus, as some new ministers are preaching now in case you hear this, when they claim tithing was given before the law to Melchiedik and then claim it was actually given to Jesus who was Melchiedik before the law you need to think about this, what the Bible later says about the priesthood of Melchizedik as not being perfect and therefore they are actually claiming Jesus was not perfect if he was Melchizedik. The Bible actually states that the priesthood of Melchizedik was not perfect, and therefore there was a necessity of a new priesthood through Jesus. Some of the new ministers are apparently not totally that smart about the whole Bible it appears. Unless, they believe Melchizedik was really Jesus and was not perfect and had to be reborn as Jesus to become perfect ? Does not make sense to me at all ! I do not agree when I hear some thing that does not match the words from the Bible that I read. Melchizedik was not Jesus !
... .... Eleventh, Many ministers refer to the First Fruits as the Tithe, but apparently they are unaware that the Bible refers to Jesus as paying the First Fruits for the dead, with his death and his Resurrection ! Thus Jesus has paid the First Fruits for us and the law is fulfilled ! No more Tithing in any form or manner required through the Grace of Jesus !
Hello Brother Ron v. Thank you for your excellent comment. Everyone should read it! Here’s another study that most pastors do NOT want their church members to view… ua-cam.com/video/0PW2Hmv4_S8/v-deo.html Also, can you give me the title of the book that a Rabbi wrote about tithing? I want to read it too.Stay strong in the Lord my Brother Ron v. God bless you.
Amen!
Pastor's should Teach Christians how to be good Stewards of all that the Lord gives, supplies, and blesses them with, instead of Teaching them to Pay or Give Tithes.
That pressed down shaken together and running over verse in Luke is Mainly talking about Receiving Forgiveness when we are willing to practice being a Forgiver...I can't count the times I have heard Pastors use that verse to Con Christians into Giving a Tithe.