You're Basically The Hagfish of Reptiles...

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  • Опубліковано 3 лют 2023
  • Did you know that it is easier to say that you are a fish than that a hagfish is a fish? But are you a reptile? Bad news, you're basically the hagfish of reptiles. Do I need to say more? Let's talk phylogenetics!
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  • @ClintsReptiles
    @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +129

    If this video has made you want to know more about Dimetrodon, you're welcome:
    ua-cam.com/video/tbcrRzaU0X8/v-deo.html

    • @glenyssmith8289
      @glenyssmith8289 Рік тому +1

      When life first started we all had the same DNA type. The First Spore as it were. Just imagine what that must have looked like. Would it incredibly simple or be packed with 4 spiral code craziness?

    • @Janeway1269
      @Janeway1269 Рік тому +2

      We've come a long way from when Land of the Lost was taken seriously! LOL! Thanks Clint! Hooray science!

    • @ScionStorm1
      @ScionStorm1 Рік тому +3

      Joke's on you. Bob and Joe's parents are reckless gene scientists. Joe is actually a clone of Bob.

    • @megazillasaurus
      @megazillasaurus Рік тому

      Guppies and mealworms are big enough eat blue whales

    • @connorhaley3190
      @connorhaley3190 Рік тому +1

      Wait a minute, lampreys still are likely closer to hagfish than gnathostomes.

  • @user-wb8iu1hl6i
    @user-wb8iu1hl6i 5 місяців тому +371

    1500: Whales are big fish
    1900: Whales are mammals
    2024: Whales are mammals, which are fish

    • @charlesunderwood6334
      @charlesunderwood6334 2 місяці тому +48

      Whales are hoofed animals without hooves

    • @modshm9259
      @modshm9259 2 місяці тому +17

      Whales 🐋 are Artiodactyla, within it they are more closely related to Cattle 🐄 than Camels 🐪

    • @reydelmuerte
      @reydelmuerte 2 місяці тому +12

      ​@@modshm9259and even closer to hippos, which are more closely related to whales than they are to all other mammals

    • @liamjohnston2000
      @liamjohnston2000 2 місяці тому +12

      Whales are fish, but not for the reason you think

    • @Appletank8
      @Appletank8 21 день тому +2

      @@charlesunderwood6334 0 toed hooves

  • @mitch6254
    @mitch6254 Рік тому +489

    I can't believe I got tricked into taking a genealogy class by the funny reptile man

    • @ClintsReptiles
      @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +170

      Ha ha, made you learn 😁

    • @willowtabby4926
      @willowtabby4926 6 місяців тому +12

      Right? How cheeky of him! 😂

    • @Borkomora
      @Borkomora 3 місяці тому +5

      @@ClintsReptileswhat a cute catchphrase lol

    • @VoidHalo
      @VoidHalo 3 місяці тому +1

      It's funny how he does that. Isn't it?

  • @williamfowler8686
    @williamfowler8686 Рік тому +1669

    I used to wonder why Clint loves talking about phylogenetic trees so much. Then I watched the reaction of a group of teenagers after I told them birds were dinosaurs. It was beautiful.

    • @SaurianCYH
      @SaurianCYH Рік тому +79

      Someone’s gotta put reactions of Clint’s phylogeny vids on UA-cam.

    • @Michelle_Mayo
      @Michelle_Mayo Рік тому +15

      @@SaurianCYH Lol now that would be funny!

    • @k2p104
      @k2p104 Рік тому +47

      I love telling my friends that birds are reptiles.

    • @Michelle_Mayo
      @Michelle_Mayo Рік тому +9

      @@k2p104 same here lol

    • @k2p104
      @k2p104 Рік тому +14

      @@Michelle_Mayo the reactions are priceless, right?

  • @PaleoAnalysis
    @PaleoAnalysis Рік тому +668

    This has turned into quite the debate ever since you asked this question. I think the problem is most people use phylogony as a way to label organisms and don't really think about the fact that they would still belong to every previous grouping going back that led to them.
    So the true answer to your original question 'Is Dimetrodon a reptile?' comes down to one thing. If the Amneotes that branched into the diapsids and synapisids should be considered reptiles.
    Or maybe it's just easier to say that we're all fish.

    • @Flufux
      @Flufux Рік тому +11

      Amphibians then?

    • @kade-qt1zu
      @kade-qt1zu Рік тому +10

      @Dinosaur Wait, I thought reptiles were considered Sauropsids.

    • @billyr2904
      @billyr2904 Рік тому +29

      @@kade-qt1zu diapsids are a later branch of the saurapsids.

    • @IncogPollywog
      @IncogPollywog Рік тому +47

      Maybe it's because when I've read this topic it's come from mostly a paleontological background, but I don't think most scientists would refer to more basal
      Synapsids as reptiles. There even seems to be a pretty big push in the community to do away with terms like "mammal like reptile" and instead refer to them as "stem-" or "proto-mammals" if a less technical term is to be used at all and I've never seen a modern paper refer to anything outside of Synapsids or Sauropsids as reptiles.

    • @Exquailibur
      @Exquailibur Рік тому +1

      I was one of those people in that comment section, I personally dont think it matters what we call them so long as we acknowledge how they are all related. I mean I wouldn't mind being the monkey that shows up to the reptile family reunion.

  • @dorians2138
    @dorians2138 5 місяців тому +63

    What i learned today:
    "Wait, it's all fish?"
    - "Always has been. 🔫"

  • @MireVale
    @MireVale Рік тому +200

    Clint in his red sweater should be the standard photo for “human” in every textbook

  • @Janeway1269
    @Janeway1269 Рік тому +566

    I'll be sure to hold onto this video the next time someone argues with me over classification. Like when they say "Killer whales aren't whales! They're dolphins!" Meanwhile dolphins are just one group of whales. All dolphins are whales but not all whales are dolphins. When I said that though, oh boy! The remarks! LOL!.

    • @elifia
      @elifia Рік тому +45

      Yeah, just go to the comments section on any youtube video about orcas. So many people, so confidently incorrect...

    • @andyjay729
      @andyjay729 Рік тому +10

      Just like how starfish and jellyfish aren't fish.

    • @briantonkin7737
      @briantonkin7737 Рік тому +14

      More accurately, they are fish if the fish clade includes a whole bunch of things that others don't consider to be fish

    • @DJFracus
      @DJFracus Рік тому +36

      I watch some tortoise UA-cam channels, and if you leave a comment calling them turtles, there will be SO many comments saying "it's not a turtle, it's a tortoise". Even though a tortoise is just a specific kind of turtle...

    • @catpoke9557
      @catpoke9557 Рік тому +27

      @@elifia It's like that in every video where taxonomical classifications are relevant. They never know which classifications are mutually exclusive. They understand that something can be both a mammal and a whale, or a mammal and a dolphin, but they draw a line at a dolphin and a whale. Because reasons.

  • @sampagano205
    @sampagano205 Рік тому +458

    Reptile, mammal, when you get down to it, were all just very weird placoderms stuck in a situation way over our heads.

    • @sampagano205
      @sampagano205 Рік тому +34

      Assuming you want to make placoderms monophyletic.

    • @bannedwagoner69
      @bannedwagoner69 Рік тому +34

      No. I’m a hagfish. Jawless, slimy, worm-eating fish

    • @blazingtrs6348
      @blazingtrs6348 Рік тому +38

      we're strange bilateral worms woth body cavities

    • @thepigeonsofthepacificnort2268
      @thepigeonsofthepacificnort2268 Рік тому +6

      @@bannedwagoner69 “fish”

    • @thetobyntr9540
      @thetobyntr9540 Рік тому +6

      ​​@@sampagano205
      Why shouldn't it make more sense to consider bony fish as derived basal placoderms? Birds for example are dinosaurs and diverged from them very much like how bats did from other mammals, they don't have much of anything that other dinosaurs didn't already have. It was mostly tweaks and reductions, but they retain the defining characteristics of basal dinosaurs.
      We just appear to be a derived and early diverging branch of placoderms, who first had our particular geometry for the inner ear, and jaw bones. They even had teeth, the things that look like boney beaks were shown to actually be plates of dentine that had pulp cavities just like ours, only fixed to the bone like it was a giant root.
      I understand that placoderms are now defined as paraphyletic, but it just seems like drawing a line in the sand to me compared to how readily we accept birds as reptiles even though they have less in common with normal reptiles than mammals. I also consider all tetrapods as basically land adapted fish because we basically are. I consider it more important to make the words we say liken up with how thing went to produce what we are naming, like if there's a general group of things and one changes things a bit, its still descended from and part of that group just as the more conservative lineages are, so do with that as you wish.

  • @sylvestercat1898
    @sylvestercat1898 Рік тому +157

    I saw Clint above the lepidosauria family and I was like, “nice job editing team, lol” then I realized he was actually beside mammalia

    • @dingdongism
      @dingdongism Рік тому +15

      Yeah, that was my only critique of the video...that phylogeny had images that looked like they represented the names underneath them, instead of the (intended and correct) names next to them.

  • @stax6092
    @stax6092 Рік тому +193

    Man, I Learned way more about Bob, Joe, Brian, and Stuart than I expected coming into a video about being the Hagfish of Reptiles.

    • @mikekuppen6256
      @mikekuppen6256 Рік тому +7

      And using them as an example is confusing me in one way: if you´re talking about individuals every generation (ideally) includes blood from "outside". So if Bob and Joe are nephews of Brian and Brian is a nephew of Stuart you can´t say that Stuart is equally related to Bob, Joe, and Brian, because more "strange" blood has been added to the lineage for Bob and Joe than for Brian. Right? Of course that isn´t true when you´re talking about whole species living at the same time because the same amount of time will have passed for mutations to pop up. Unless you´re comparing species with very short generation times to species with longer ones... Ok, I´m still confused about this specific example. I´ll just stick to the clades: those I can understand.

    • @SonOfTheNorthe
      @SonOfTheNorthe Рік тому +1

      The worst part of the video, IMO. I've never skipped ahead bored in a Clint's Reptiles video until now.

    • @ArinJager1
      @ArinJager1 Рік тому +3

      Bob'n'Joe's sounds like a fastfood chain to me (also: blood for the blood god!)

    • @pubuduyapa4159
      @pubuduyapa4159 5 місяців тому

      ​@@mikekuppen6256In this specific example, Bob and Joe were brothers and Brian was a cousin. Stuart was more of an uncle. I guess you could say you are equally related to all of your nephews right? Ok now im confused 😂😂

    • @brianvernon7754
      @brianvernon7754 2 місяці тому

      Brians are definitely hagfish

  • @rasmusn.e.m1064
    @rasmusn.e.m1064 Рік тому +161

    All of these thousands of years of human language naming things after phenotypes and functions really screw us over when trying to understand cladistic relationships 😂

    • @kyrab7914
      @kyrab7914 Рік тому +7

      I mean naming the thing what it does HAS been useful so far 😂

    • @yowtfputthemaskbackon9202
      @yowtfputthemaskbackon9202 Рік тому +23

      the worst thing is, when medieval people looked at a duck and went "fishé" they were actually right, even though all they had in mind was cheating on god during lent without feeling bad about it.

    • @valivali8104
      @valivali8104 10 місяців тому +4

      ​@@kyrab7914 only if a) everyone knows that "what it does" is base of naming, and b) agree that aspect which is used in naming is most important aspect.
      For example, if one group value voice of bird most when naming, other group value its style of flying most, and another group value taste of bird's meat and how it can be cooked, all three groups will have problems with communicating even if they talked same language.

  • @daniell1483
    @daniell1483 Рік тому +64

    I've found the synapsid/diapsid divide very fascinating since I started learning about natural history. When I was growing up, there was this implied idea that everything alive today could fit into these neat little boxes that describe all the animals in those groups. Birds make the perfect example, it wasn't well understood at the time that birds are dinosaurs, they were thought to be a unique branch of life. It is really amazing to see how far our understanding of life has progressed, even if it means I need to unlearn some old habits on animal classification.

    • @carlosandleon
      @carlosandleon 5 місяців тому

      The mammal reptile common ancestor should be classified as a reptile

  • @kiernanfay8960
    @kiernanfay8960 Рік тому +187

    the world makes a little more sense once you realize we're all mutant sponges

    • @magentamonster
      @magentamonster Рік тому +9

      While there has been controversy about the monophyly of Porifera, I feel it is monophyletic.

    • @rustyshackleford1465
      @rustyshackleford1465 Рік тому +7

      I still identify as a monkey...

    • @Kapnohuxi_folium
      @Kapnohuxi_folium Рік тому +6

      Technically we're all just archaebacteria anyhow

    • @theapexsurvivor9538
      @theapexsurvivor9538 Рік тому +6

      @@Kapnohuxi_folium not really, those are Archaea, a whole different domain from both Bacteria (not us) and Eukaryota (us).

    • @alfaseng
      @alfaseng Рік тому

      @@theapexsurvivor9538 There is a theory with more concerete backing every day that Eukaryotes are descended from an Archaea (Proto-Eukaryote) phagocytosing a bacteria (Proto-Mitochondria)

  • @markcobuzzi826
    @markcobuzzi826 Рік тому +41

    Adding to your analysis, this is why it can also be important to clarify, whether one’s terminology is used to designate a “monophyletic”, “paraphyletic”, or “polyphyletic” grouping. Paraphyletic groups include a common ancestor and some of its descendants, while excluding other descendants. Meanwhile, a polyphyletic group categorizes unrelated organisms based on shared traits and excludes any common ancestors they have (like if winged insects, pterosaurs, birds, and bats were all grouped together as “flying creatures”).
    In that case, people’s common usage of the word “fish” would technically be paraphyletic, referring all vertebrates and their common ancestor except for the tetrapod sub-clade. Likewise, the only way “reptile” can refer to Dimetrodons and similar creatures, while excluding mammals, is if one is specifically using it as a paraphyletic label. It is the same thing for if someone defined monkeys, apes, and humans as three mutually exclusive categories.

  • @debiesubaugher
    @debiesubaugher Рік тому +66

    That was the most fun explanation of a complicated subject ever.

  • @nitzan3782
    @nitzan3782 9 місяців тому +27

    How many young minds are blown by the notion that their neighbor's parakeet is more of a dinosaur, and by extension a reptile, than that cool prehistoric creature with a massive sail on his back.

  • @katnor4688
    @katnor4688 Рік тому +38

    The picture of Clint representing mammals was far too amusing. 🤣😁

    • @cherylgraves7382
      @cherylgraves7382 2 місяці тому +1

      Right? Him in his Mr. Rogers sweater? I laughed out loud. Love him!

  • @karmatraining
    @karmatraining 9 місяців тому +5

    Grandpa was a bad-ass Dimetrodon gang checking in

  • @loractmay4240
    @loractmay4240 Рік тому +82

    Videos like this are exactly why we're Super Rad fans.

  • @bashanhavothjairbashanhavo9475
    @bashanhavothjairbashanhavo9475 Рік тому +26

    Clint, I was one of your students several years ago. This video randomly popped up on my feed. It's pretty cool to see you're doing UA-cam videos now. Subbed.

  • @brfisher1123
    @brfisher1123 Рік тому +29

    The fact that the lungfish for example is actually more closely related to non-fish vertebrates i.e., tetrapods (amphibians, non-avian reptiles, birds and mammals) than they are to any other "fish" including the fellow sarcopterygian "fish" the coelacanth is the reason why I find the lungfish as the most fascinating "fish" around!

  • @billyr2904
    @billyr2904 Рік тому +70

    Hagfish are actually more closely related to lampreys than to other vertebrates, but I see why you place them as the most basal, because though they are a craniate, meaning they have a skull, they don't have vertebrae, making them not vertebrates. But most phylogenies place them as closely related to lampreys, suggesting that they might have lost their vertebrae and not because they are the most distantly related vertebrates.

    • @magentamonster
      @magentamonster Рік тому +21

      Yes, hagfish and lampreys form the clade Cyclostomi. Lampreys are not sister to Gnathostomata, they are sister to hagfish. Hagfish are vertebrates that lost their vertebrae. And they are fish.

    • @iapetusmccool
      @iapetusmccool Рік тому +6

      Is that a recent discovery?

    • @billyr2904
      @billyr2904 Рік тому +1

      What are you referring to?

    • @iapetusmccool
      @iapetusmccool Рік тому +7

      @@billyr2904 hagfish and lampreys forming a clade. I was taught that lampreys were more basal, but that was 20+ years ago so could be outdated.

    • @billyr2904
      @billyr2904 Рік тому

      I need to look at when cyclostmata was made a group

  • @deborahd2936
    @deborahd2936 Рік тому +80

    I am so glad I found this channel! Animal loving communities are fun. Not many people around me in my life are interested in talking about these things, so this channel fills a little hole in my life. ❤️

  • @peterjones819
    @peterjones819 Рік тому +45

    A phylogeny of crocodilians video would be awesome!

    • @ClintsReptiles
      @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +27

      Might be on my schedule for this year 😉

    • @peterjones819
      @peterjones819 Рік тому +4

      @@ClintsReptiles 😁👍

    • @billyr2904
      @billyr2904 Рік тому +1

      I...Wanted...CARNIVORANS!!!!

    • @stoatystoat174
      @stoatystoat174 3 місяці тому

      @@billyr2904 they did it ' Carnivora - In a World With Cats, How Do Dogs Survive? ' ua-cam.com/video/JbZu-47YTtw/v-deo.html

  • @objective_psychology
    @objective_psychology 9 місяців тому +5

    What a lot of people don't get about taxonomy and phylogeny is that they're two different things. Phylogeny was largely a theoretical construct for most of the history of biology. Only after the genetics revolution did evolutionary relationships start to become really _provable_ as you could see the code itself, as opposed to falling back on often subjective guesswork as to which morphologies are shared innovations, retentions, or just convergent evolution. For example we had no idea the large subgroups of placental mammals (Xenarthra, Afrotheria, Boreoeutheria with its branches Laurasiatheria and Euarchontoglires) were even a thing. There's literally nothing known on a macroscopic level of phenotype that can be used to classify them. It was thought that all shrews were a monophyletic group, but now we know elephant shrews are closer to elephants. Genetics also taught us that we're closer to chimps than to gorillas and closer to gorillas than to orangutans and lesser apes. And there are countless more examples of genetics leading to revolutionary reinterpretation of relationships, especially in botany. In that time there have also been big advances made in microscopy that allow for more accurate insights on morphology, which like genetics has led to some major changes. Both have also had the result of phylogenetic trees with far more branches and nesting of clades, which called some basic traditions of taxonomy into question, like why there are “genera” of vastly different sizes and ages, or “orders” of one group that turned out to be older than “classes” of another or younger than “families” of another.
    Meanwhile, taxonomy is still a thing as a matter of tradition and communication, frankly. People want big taxonomic names to have a straightforward hierarchy and be easy to remember based on common knowledge. As such, it's biased towards trying to fit organisms into a small number of neat, roughly equally sized boxes on the same apparent level-like infamously the “classes” of vertebrates: Aves, Reptilia, Mammalia etc.-when the reality is that clades branch at thousands of levels and are constantly being updated and overturned by new research, to the point that naming them all is often impossible or just futile. This is something that modern biologists are well aware of, but the first generations of biologists weren't. Not to mention, sometimes it's just more convenient to define things by morphology even if that means excluding a known subgroup. Taxonomy is the dumbed-down, surface-level representation of what biology is which makes explaining it to laypeople simpler, but it does not accurately represent what biologists do nowadays at all.

  • @natalieeuley1734
    @natalieeuley1734 Рік тому +32

    I teach science and WOW is this some of the best explanation of phylogeny that I have ever heard. Definitely borrowing some of your techniques in the future.

    • @kyrab7914
      @kyrab7914 Рік тому

      Making it ppl names is great, bc I often find ppl confused how they're related to each other as well. So it helps them figure smthn out, and then they go "ohh, I get it!" about the hagfish

    • @squirrel_killer-
      @squirrel_killer- 5 місяців тому

      I know this is old, but another thing I know would've helped my education and the understanding of evolution when younger was a different video on UA-cam.
      Despite being more speculative and video game fan video, I also recommend stealing the evolution explanation from Oceanz "Monster Hunter Subspecies" video. He actually defines that "survival of the fittest" refers to fitness to reproduce, and how the tiny mutations that allow an animal to reproduce more effectively allows them to spread that gene through the gene pool further until it and others accumulate enough to allow speciation. It's a background noise video for me but that part is always so well explained for an amateur that it's incredible. It's the type of thing where you know it going in, but it never makes sense until it's explained the right way that you more than just know it. Having all the pieces concisely laid up in a row.
      Also, as somebody who hated biology during my education due to how awful it was taught as a science: Funnily enough, good spec evo, in my experience, is better for teaching evolution than actual evolution since it often gives a more complete picture of the progression. You also aren't bogged down in needing to fact check, find examples of ancestors, rage at our incomplete image of nature, or answer about other animals. It really helps wrap your head around it when you have fictional and easily understood stand-ins. It was reading about a project where somebody derived all life from frogs where I really started to understand how escaping competition in your niche is a driving factor of evolution, and not just the more commonly pointed to "evolutionary arms races" of animals preying upon each other. That's the type of thing that makes you realize why our ancestors crawled from the ocean upon the land. There was food here and nothing was eating it. In this case I am primarily referring to the invertebrates that our jaws were quite effective at crunching compared to other invertebrates.
      If you want some great speculative evolution and speculative biology to look over and help you find a good one to pick up I would recommend Curiosity Archive here on UA-cam. He specializes in shining a light on interesting world building projects, including speculative evolution. The Unnatural History Channel also does so but is mostly Monster Hunter focused.

  • @frisbyart
    @frisbyart Рік тому +12

    Thanks for this, but now I want you to make a WHOLE video on hagfish, because these are one of my Top 5 FAVORITE animals ever!
    For anyone who’d like a quick fun fact about them, they’re the only “fish” capable of sneezing, and that’s so that it doesn’t choke to death on the slime they produce.

  • @Phone-eater
    @Phone-eater 9 місяців тому +11

    I like this one cause it explains phylogeny really well but also I'd love to see a more expansive version of synapsida next to diapsida that shows more clades such as mammalia being a part of therapsida which is of course part of synapsida

  • @dorkthrone
    @dorkthrone Рік тому +8

    I love explanations of phylogeny. Even though I think I have a solid grasp on it, it never ceases to be a fascinating topic

  • @SierraRomeoPapa
    @SierraRomeoPapa Рік тому +27

    Lampreys are truly nature’s freakiest creatures. I was once fly fishing the Gulkana River in Alaska for grayling on a rafting trip and suddenly was surrounded by countless pacific lamprey swimming upstream to spawn. Caught one in a net to examine it because I wasn’t quite sure what it was from over the top of the water and lo and behold it was straight out of Aliens.

    • @DarthCiliatus
      @DarthCiliatus Рік тому +1

      Did you eat it?

    • @kR-qj7rw
      @kR-qj7rw Рік тому +6

      That the thing that s lot of sci Fi forgets for something to be truly alien it should be weirder than some of the life forms we are family with
      And that's really hard for most artists and writers lol

    • @johannageisel5390
      @johannageisel5390 3 місяці тому +1

      @@kR-qj7rw Very true! It's super difficult to come up with a life form that has reasonable characteristics but does not already exist or has existed on Earth.
      The only ones so far are my Venusian critters and I left their evolution relatively unexplained.

  • @sampagano205
    @sampagano205 Рік тому +18

    I will continue to argue the plastic dimetrodon in the dinosaur pack along with all the other toys in the packs closest relative is the plankton that died millions of years ago and was transformed into oil by the deep magics of the earth.

    • @LimeyLassen
      @LimeyLassen 8 місяців тому +2

      A trace of the true self, exists in the false self...

  • @Fahrenheit4051
    @Fahrenheit4051 10 місяців тому +6

    I'm going to go with "considering synapsids to be reptiles isn't useful" because then we're calling all living amniotes (and most that have ever existed) "reptiles". Birds are a different story, because, like you said, there's no way to remove them without rendering the whole taxon invalid.

  • @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668
    @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 Рік тому +10

    Wow, how interesting. Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get prepared for the next Clade get-together.

    • @ClintsReptiles
      @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +9

      Just make sure that you invite you common ancestor and ALL of their descendents 😉

    • @venn2001ad
      @venn2001ad Рік тому +1

      @@ClintsReptiles That's going to be a HUGE gathering. It's gonna be tough to remember each and every name... lol. 😆

    • @Sgrunterundt
      @Sgrunterundt 3 місяці тому

      @@venn2001ad Depends on which of your clades you throw the party for.
      My mother once threw a party for the clade of her paternal grandparents (my great grandparents). That couple had 12 children. It was a big party.
      The clade of just my parents, me and my brother and my two nephews is much more manageble. We get together rather more often.

  • @madlycan
    @madlycan Рік тому +10

    personally I love the idea that we're all just an amalgamation of various slime molds with delusions of grandeur. this however just taught me that I can call myself a fish and technically not be wrong. ^^

  • @Fancy_Bear
    @Fancy_Bear Рік тому +19

    Always love your phylogeny videos!

  • @Branda7712
    @Branda7712 Рік тому +30

    Thank you for such a great explanation of this concept. This video may have to be a new addition to my common ancestry lessons for my 9th graders. I never thought to explain it with human familial relationships first! 20 years in the classroom and I’m still learning myself.

    • @ClintsReptiles
      @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +12

      I'd love updates about how it goes with your class!

  • @daviddegeorge2667
    @daviddegeorge2667 Рік тому +5

    Thank you Clint for this. I'm saving this video because it's literally the best explanation I've ever gotten.

  • @MiloTheDumb
    @MiloTheDumb Рік тому +6

    "You sir are a fish" - a smart man

  • @cubinican1218
    @cubinican1218 Рік тому +2

    I work in academic publishing, biology textbooks in particular, and this is a FANTASTIC resource. Thanks for posting!

  • @MrTrigun1
    @MrTrigun1 10 місяців тому +2

    I love everything about this video. The oddity of it all, the sheer confusing facts, the manic energy at the excitement of sharing this cursed information with us. This video encapsulates why I am subscribed to this channel.

  • @usonumabeach300
    @usonumabeach300 Рік тому +8

    I really enjoy all of your videos, but the phylogenic ones are my favorite! And they need a playlist!

    • @ClintsReptiles
      @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +2

      They have one! They're my favorites too :)

    • @Michelle_Mayo
      @Michelle_Mayo Рік тому

      @@ClintsReptiles lol I was just going to respond "I think he has one...? 🤔"

  • @davidtruong9367
    @davidtruong9367 Рік тому +6

    So confusing and complicated but yet….so intriguing and interesting. Great Job, Clint! Love your videos - keep up the great work!

  • @mattm1142
    @mattm1142 Рік тому +1

    I just watched this vid at 4.45AM and it has put me in a fantastic mood. Thanks Clint, love your work!

  • @biomutarist6832
    @biomutarist6832 Рік тому +2

    I am in complete awe and amazement at how well and fun you explained cladistics! A shining example of science communication!

  • @NotJamy
    @NotJamy 9 місяців тому +3

    I wish they had this when I was in elementary science this is a much better way of teaching this.

  • @carrieseymour5197
    @carrieseymour5197 Рік тому +11

    If Clint ever disappears leaving only a lingering smell of banana, we'll know why.

  • @ItsAthe
    @ItsAthe Рік тому

    Honestly the most fun I've had watching one of your videos!

  • @Alicia.Marie.13
    @Alicia.Marie.13 Рік тому

    I love these kinds of videos. Fascinating!

  • @Max88188
    @Max88188 Рік тому +3

    That small Clint face smiling at me from the mammalia branch made my day

  • @davidherberger8104
    @davidherberger8104 Рік тому +8

    This is a hard concept to fully understand but nice job with the animations to help with the understanding

  • @jeremiahfreitag5242
    @jeremiahfreitag5242 7 місяців тому +1

    This was very well thought out and exceptionally descriptive. Thank you. I appreciate this..

  • @gavturgoose1427
    @gavturgoose1427 Рік тому +1

    Such a brilliant way of educating people!

  • @fij715
    @fij715 7 місяців тому +8

    So you are telling me that Kanye didn’t have to jump into the ocean to become a gay fish because he was a fish all along?

  • @ShepStevVidEOs
    @ShepStevVidEOs Рік тому +5

    I need a shirt that says “I’m the hagfish of reptiles!”

  • @blandp11
    @blandp11 6 місяців тому

    That was so very good. Never thought about that *and* it helps make the concepts clearer and more memorable. Love it.

  • @jredmane
    @jredmane Рік тому +1

    Such a good explanation of the basics of how animals are related! Commenting to boost so more people get a chance to enjoy this vid 😄

  • @conlon4332
    @conlon4332 7 місяців тому +3

    This could also be called "Why Whales Are Fish".

  • @Pistolita221
    @Pistolita221 Рік тому +3

    Thank you for making this video. I definitely include synapsids as reptiles, their LCA with sauropsids was a linnaean reptile. 3 chambered heart, scales, eggs with hard shells, terrapod respiratory system, monodontomorph etc. etc. It seems very strange to use the term reptile to exclude archaic reptiles. Especially because their LCA was basically called reptile body/shape (reptiliomorpha).

    • @JosephSolotov
      @JosephSolotov 9 місяців тому +2

      I used to exclude synapsids, and refer only to sauropsids as "true reptiles". That was until I saw a paper published by the Texas Heart Institute Journal about a case of "Snake Heart". It was a man born with an atavism in which his heart resembled a basal reptile's heart. I love reptiles and the idea of basically being a human reptile/human Dinosaur is completely awesome.

    • @Pistolita221
      @Pistolita221 9 місяців тому +1

      @@JosephSolotov isn't it? I didn't know about the snake heart man, that's so cool! Thanks for sharing the source, too.

    • @JosephSolotov
      @JosephSolotov 9 місяців тому

      @Pistolita221 No problem! I figured I should share it, since it backs up your point. I'll post the link.
      pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21224948/

  • @victornoname7269
    @victornoname7269 Рік тому +2

    I've been so happy ever since you started making phylogeny videos. It's been a subject that I've always found super fun and having a channel that makes great videos on it is the best! I just love looking at all the groups of animals and learning cool things about how they're related to one another.
    Side note, speaking of not quite/barely vertebrate things like hagfish. I recently learned lancelets are a thing. They're super primitive chordates that resemble the kind of vertebrate ancestors we find in places like the Burgess Shale, but they're _still around today!_ It blew my mind that I only learned they existed a few months ago.

  • @lindsyfish6704
    @lindsyfish6704 Рік тому

    Oh this was DELIGHTFUL! Thank you Clint!

  • @gauchegreyhound
    @gauchegreyhound 7 місяців тому +3

    It makes more sense to say Dimetrodon *aren't* reptiles than to say Mammals *are.*
    "Non-mammalian synapsids" is what my mammalogy professor called them. Pre-mammals. The reptile clade is already hugely broad, I don't think we need to broaden it further by adding synapsids 😂

  • @markkeviniquin3119
    @markkeviniquin3119 Рік тому +5

    but the real question is... are we all just multicellular archaea?

  • @schwindsichtigaderechte5293
    @schwindsichtigaderechte5293 9 місяців тому +2

    Learning this felt so good, it solved so much confusion for me. Thank you!

  • @TallGermanBoy
    @TallGermanBoy Рік тому +1

    This is the most concise and simple to understand explanation of phylogeny I know. This is great!

  • @joaopedroalmeidacaetano1619
    @joaopedroalmeidacaetano1619 Рік тому +6

    I LOVE phylogeny. It's a shame I'm on a ecology laboratory at my uni (which I love, and the people there are awesome). But DAMN did I want to major in zoology

  • @wilhelmschmidt7240
    @wilhelmschmidt7240 9 місяців тому +2

    Your explanation of phylogeny is spot on, great job.

  • @zakiyamauchi9106
    @zakiyamauchi9106 Рік тому +1

    I must say that this is a very great video for a short lunch break. Great video, subbed!

  • @asdfasdf-dd9lk
    @asdfasdf-dd9lk Рік тому +4

    Actually recently it's been shown that hagfish are in a monophyletic group with lampreys. The crux of the video still stands though :)

    • @fubberpish3614
      @fubberpish3614 Рік тому +1

      wait really? so Agnatha is monophyletic now? very cool!!

  • @thomastakesatollforthedark2231

    So what you're saying is... Dimetrodons should be named Stuart

  • @HissyFitPetTherapy
    @HissyFitPetTherapy Рік тому

    Thank you! I've never understood phylogeny so well until now. You are an amazingly effective and succinct teacher!

  • @jeremiejonscher3166
    @jeremiejonscher3166 Рік тому +1

    one of my favourite channels on YT

  • @diolordedodrip6044
    @diolordedodrip6044 Рік тому +8

    Suggestion: Australian emus, the best big dinosaur ?
    (I love your videos and I hope your channel grows a lot ! 💚)

    • @Amy_the_Lizard
      @Amy_the_Lizard Рік тому +1

      While they are one of the largest living dinosaurs, if we include their extinct relatives, I'd say emus are more mid-sized...

  • @FSHARCL
    @FSHARCL Рік тому +3

    I love hagfish. They so bizarringly awesome!
    Edit: I know “bizarringly” is not a real word but I like it.

  • @SonicBoone56
    @SonicBoone56 Рік тому

    Wow, that clears a lot up. Thanks Clint.

  • @saga2964
    @saga2964 Рік тому

    This was awesome--THANK U!

  • @xandyhubbard3754
    @xandyhubbard3754 Рік тому +3

    Hey Clint, what about the cyclostome hypothesis? As far as I'm aware, a lot of recent studies have favoured the cyclostome hypothesis, where lampreys are closer to hagfish than to the jawed fish. If this hypothesis is shown to be accurate, would we instead be the cyclostomes of reptiles?

    • @matyaskassay4346
      @matyaskassay4346 Рік тому

      well I don't think anyone would say that lampreys aren't vertebrates, so no, not really. Unless the question is whether cyclostomes are fish or not, in which case yeah, we're the same thing to reptiles that cyclostomes are to fish.

  • @dorians2138
    @dorians2138 5 місяців тому +4

    So techically everything on Earth, that has a vertebra, is a fish.

    • @ClintsReptiles
      @ClintsReptiles  5 місяців тому +3

      Only arguably.

    • @Dr.Ian-Plect
      @Dr.Ian-Plect 5 місяців тому +1

      Yes, only arguably! And I'd be the one rolling my sleeves up yelling 'being a sarcopterygian isn't being a fish! (the point being, even within Sarcopterygii, we aren't fish)

    • @bruhmingo
      @bruhmingo 3 місяці тому

      ⁠@@Dr.Ian-Plectbeing a sarcopterygian absolutely makes you a fish. Monophyly is the standard.

    • @Dr.Ian-Plect
      @Dr.Ian-Plect 3 місяці тому

      @@bruhmingo No, it makes you a member of the group with those primitive traits originating therein, it does not make you a fish.

    • @Ealais76
      @Ealais76 29 днів тому

      @@bruhmingono it doesn’t, because fish is a paraphyletic term, which needs certain criteria to be included.

  • @Shehzain
    @Shehzain Рік тому +1

    I love how you explain phylogenetic trees so perfectly to a lay audience! I love phylogeny!

  • @ABCHerping82
    @ABCHerping82 Рік тому +2

    Thanks! Hagfish are some of the most interesting creatures! Thanks for all you do Clint!

  • @technoraptor7778
    @technoraptor7778 Рік тому +4

    Haha yeah I see that. I called a little boy a hagfish when I was in kindergarten once because he always had snot hanging from his nose...I knew it would come full circle eventually. Sorry dude..turns out we are all hagfish.

  • @ClintsReptiles
    @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +6

    Over 17 MINUTES of BONUS content from this video, exclusively for our Stinkin' Rad Fans on Patreon! Patreon is a great way to support Clint's Reptiles AND get awesome extras (including hundreds of other bonus videos)! www.patreon.com/posts/video-patreon-of-78180443

    • @Michelle_Mayo
      @Michelle_Mayo Рік тому

      LOVE the extra content! - Marcus and the Mayos💕

  • @anastrixnoodles
    @anastrixnoodles Рік тому +2

    I love this type of content

  • @robynsnest8668
    @robynsnest8668 5 місяців тому +1

    This was an awesome video.

  • @konradcurze8176
    @konradcurze8176 Рік тому +3

    Hagfish are awesome! I take this as a compliment 😂

  • @mortified776
    @mortified776 Рік тому +6

    For a moment I was enamoured with your choice of Rev Fred Rogers to represent humans. Then I put on my glasses and realised it's you in a red cardigan. Oh well, close enough!

    • @ClintsReptiles
      @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +6

      You're in for a treat: ua-cam.com/video/srEvEl7o2yY/v-deo.html

    • @mortified776
      @mortified776 Рік тому +1

      @@ClintsReptiles That's wonderful! Top marks on the intro song and routine!

    • @Michelle_Mayo
      @Michelle_Mayo Рік тому

      @@mortified776 yeah, that was the best Halloween costume yet.

  • @sjzara
    @sjzara Рік тому +1

    This was SUPERB!

  • @user-zb5nq4fc8o
    @user-zb5nq4fc8o Рік тому

    It was interesting. There are some difficult parts, but it was a well-organized video. I applaud your passion. I want to show my energy to people.

  • @timeshark8727
    @timeshark8727 Рік тому +5

    To really understand relatedness you need to add all the extinct groups to the tree. There were many groups of "reptiles" that don't appear on the chart you have, some of which were really, really strange and interesting.

  • @andryuu_2000
    @andryuu_2000 9 місяців тому +4

    Fish isn't a scientific term, what does it mean? Water-dwelling chordates with cranium and gills? So tadpoles are fish too?

    • @bruhmingo
      @bruhmingo 3 місяці тому +1

      Fish is a scientific term so long as you synonymize it with a clade. Conventionally, fish would be synonymous with either vertebrata or gnathostoma. It’s far easier and more progressive and educational to just start normalizing the fact tetrapods are indeed fish.

    • @Ealais76
      @Ealais76 29 днів тому

      @@bruhmingono it isn’t, because fish as a common term predates taxonomy and phylogeny as a whole, you can’t just assign it to one group. Especially considering traditionally animals that aren’t even vertebrates were considered fish in the past

  • @msamak3905
    @msamak3905 9 місяців тому +1

    Beautifully explained phylogeny! 🐒

  • @johnscanlon8467
    @johnscanlon8467 4 місяці тому

    This is beautifully clear.

  • @sexxxiipanda10
    @sexxxiipanda10 Рік тому +5

    I would have loved you teaching my zoology class in high-school along side my teacher. That would have been a dream team. We had fish and starfish in a tank and he would periodically just walk over to the tank and pluck a starfish off the glass that was trying to escape lol wish his long sleeve button down on walking around with a wet sleeve lol
    How dare students see your fully covered in tattoos arms

  • @FBIandre123
    @FBIandre123 Рік тому +3

    ua-cam.com/video/3tpur1jFXf0/v-deo.html - Déjà vu ?

    • @Michelle_Mayo
      @Michelle_Mayo Рік тому

      Same guy, duh lol... he always adds his sciencey stuff to his other channel. Patreon too, but they get them even earlier 😉

  • @salt-emoji
    @salt-emoji 5 місяців тому +1

    First time viewer, hag fish are insane, and I'm so fascinated with them.
    Also the video title is great because it isn't clickbait, it is, but it isn't 🫡

  • @oobeoobe
    @oobeoobe Рік тому +1

    I love that little picture of Clint smiling, as the representative of 'mammals', in that first diagram lol

  • @TurtleShroom3
    @TurtleShroom3 9 місяців тому +3

    "Birds ARE dinosaurs" versus "birds are the closest thing we have to true dinosaurs" was always a baffling puzzle to me. That is, birds aren't reptiles.
    This really solves a LOT of the questions I had. They belong to every previous group.

  • @ilexater9556
    @ilexater9556 Рік тому +3

    This simultaneously makes perfect sense and no sense at all. My brain has been scienced beyond all recognition and I will thusly have to live in a paradox for the rest of the day.

    • @ClintsReptiles
      @ClintsReptiles  Рік тому +2

      It's always best to have your mind blown from time to time :)

    • @ilexater9556
      @ilexater9556 Рік тому +1

      @@ClintsReptiles I do enjoy patching the holes left empty by my science degree, even if it means my brain melts out my ears a little bit.

  • @alicecain4851
    @alicecain4851 Рік тому +1

    That gave me a headache, and I loved every minute of it!

  • @merlinambrosius4398
    @merlinambrosius4398 Рік тому +2

    I love the way you explain things.
    I come away both, more educated, and just as discombobulated.

    • @Michelle_Mayo
      @Michelle_Mayo Рік тому +1

      LOL right?! It's like... well, I understood everything 3 seconds ago, but don't ask me to explain! 😳🤣😂

    • @merlinambrosius4398
      @merlinambrosius4398 Рік тому +1

      @@Michelle_Mayo I resemble that remark. 🤣🤣🤣