@@eamonsherry2185 it’s not that we don’t like it, it’s that it is disrespectful to a REAL person. And treats them the exact way that drove them to their own suicide, and treats the main actress like men did to Marilyn herself
Problem is, you leave this movie with a takeaway of “Marilyn Monroe had abandonment issues and was emotionally and physically abused. And that’s it.” In a 3-hour movie, her career is focused on for what, 20 minutes? Rest of the time, de Armas seems like she’s on the verge of a panic attack. To me, it brought up the 1990 John Belushi bio “Wired,” where Belushi was portrayed as a drug addict, a drug addict, and a drug addict, and by the way, he dabbled in comedy.
If that's all you take away from it, then it's on you. The issue is that great films are not interested in directing you towards a specific meaning. It presents you with an open area for you to fill it up with your own ideas and visions. Films should be closer to a piece of music. You wouldn't ever dismiss a song for not providing you with a clearly stated meaning. It should be more about the inexpressible feelings that are brought forth. Not to mention, your memory has failed you because there were brief moments of joy and beauty, therefore, it wasn't all relentless torture. Sometimes the beauty was wrapped inside the tragedy. The film is attempting to examine childhood trauma and the nature of identity through the avatar of an icon, thus revealing deeper naunces in the process. It's about the ways in which we conceptualize celebrities and the ways in which we conceptualize ourselves. Craftsmanship is what truly matters, not being moralistic.
@@jamk2668 speaking of music, that showcases just how remedial Dominik was as a storyteller. After the first sequence, he highlights the song “Every Baby Needs a Daddy (I expected a subtitle to yell “Because she’s an orphan, get it?”) and after the abortion sequence, you hear “Bye Bye, Baby.” He has all the narrative subtlety of a sledgehammer. Dude used the same crutch with the talk radio coverage of the bank bailouts in “Killing them Softly.” He might as well have grabbed a bullhorn and yelled “This is a crime story, but it’s also about capitalism gone awry!”
But then I kinda thought that they showed the awful parts because nobody accepted that as her reality…. And people keep saying how she had no happy moments in the film and she had so many happy moments in real life but ultimately they’ve shown all her happy parts, they’ve done loads of movies about those parts…. Why doesn’t it make sense to do this part now ?
Wow...Did Ana De Armas just get treated...like MM/Norma Jean/many people? She didn't get to complete her thought and no one, including her, stood up for her to complete her thought...
I read her half biography, I find it funny that this is supposed to explore Norma Jean but is so sexualized considering Marilyn herself said in her unfinished biography that she was never that interested in sex🙈 it’s called”My Story” with Ben Hecht, they published what she intended to have finished for her biography. Maybe that would’ve been a better source material for this movie rather than a fiction…. Js
they didn´t do her justice they should have used what she wrote in her own book about her life, the allegations that she had several abortions were just downright cruel, she wanted to be a mother more than anything and lost several pregnancies, she always deserved better
I did not like it, the whole movie was just insane. The way it was filmed. It got interesting at some point, but then it deteriorated, and I think there was a assumptions on how she was treated and abused including by JFK? that did not even see her the most famous woman in the world or the icon she was.. . People still worship her today.
Bleak. Hollow. Soulless. A difficult film to sit through. Its morbid tone leaves you feeling uneasy with graphic sexual violence and abusive nature. Marilyn Monroe’s story needed to be told with heart and understanding of who this woman was during her time on and off camera. Marilyn is represented as a shadow figure against bright lights and glitter, without a trace of her real struggle to find redemption as a human with a troubled past. It’s a missed opportunity to have made a great film from her extraordinary life.
Marilyn suffered so much in her career it would have been nice if they instead highlighted all the inappropriate behavior that does not have a place in society today
Blonde isn't trying to show us 'the real Marilyn', it's based on a fictional book about 'her life'. The film is meant to be symbolic of her trauma and pain, it needs to be viewed as a horror film really. If you want a documentary about her life those are already available.
I thought it was an interesting point of view. Well acted, and thought-provoking. Women have been put through all kinds of hell at the hands of aggressive, domineering, self-important men, for a very long time! Not just in the movie industry either. They have been told to keep quiet about it in order to get the job, to keep the job and even to be able to continue to work. There was a very ugly side to Hollywood… this is giving you a glimpse in to it. If you want ‘happy-go-lightly’, this is not the movie for you. It’s Marilyn from a different perspective.
He just projected so much onto her just because there is a cultural fascination and narrative of her as a victim. He even mentioned that part of it was sexual punishment…seems like he wanted to punish her for being a “whore” as he apparently called her. It’s not deep, it’s not interesting, it’s an amalgamation of the worst kids of fantasies (pure innocent female victimhood and also punishment against women for whatever weird incel feelings he’s experienced about them) projected onto someone who has already had far more than enough of that and who isn’t alive to say anything about it.
This man is so irritating to me..he clearly has no empathy towards Marilyn Monroe and its clear that he doesnt see her as a full human being and is not interested in showing her love for cinema, her charms, her demons, her edges as well as her mistreatment. She is so beautiful as person and he didnt seem to care..its so so sad to see this movie, especially if youre a fan of Monroe. She deserved so much more in life and now in death.
The events might not be completely accurate but it captured the essence of Norma tragic life; she was used, abused and in the end, "suicided". It also shows the truth about Marilyn basically being a split personality of Norma ie. Stemming from MK Ultra. The married president who was having sordid affairs with countless women including Marilyn, to the point of philandering while his wife gave birth to a stillborn daughter was far from a saint....yet to this day, the masses are pedestalizing him.
The thing is that could have been done TASTEFULLY and properly fleshed out. It's a 3 hour movie that fails to showcase Norma/Marilyn as a whole, instead she's reduced to a body and a crying face.
Yes exactly Graeme!! My take, Ana did give an incredible performance no doubt. The issue is with the way the movie set out to portray her. It's irresponsible film making to take someone's likeness down to recreating every outfit, picture etc and then give a one sided portrayal that blames her and depicts her as a spiraling mess. For example, did we really need to see her topless in the portrayal of the final moments of her life? Where is the care in making sure the movie is respectful and does not erase or call into question the legacy of confidence, kindness, intelligence, and the sweet nature of the Marilyn we all love!
I honestly don't mind disrespect etc. But I do feel like the movie struggled with what genre it wanted to be in And yes, Ana wasn't a problem. She's definitely this movies meal ticket and central appeal in this role and she didn't disappoint truly. But the overall take was a little bit... misguided. They basically called Marilyn a hoe in just about every way they could, and a good portion of those weren't even covert.
THE MOVIE IS HEARTLESS AND CRUEL BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR HATED MARILYN MONROE AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT HER REAL LIFE. SO THAT'S WHY THE MOVIE IS TRASH.
@@okayimbackwhateverjones WELL PEOPLE WHO KNEW MARILYN MONROE CARE ABOUT HER BEING DISRESPECTED AND SO DO HER FANS. THIS MOVIE IS HORRIBLE AND IT DOESN'T PORTRAY THE GREATNESS OF MM AND EVERYTHING SHE ACCOMPLISHED IN HER LIFE. SHE WAS A GREZT ACTRESS, SINGER AND DANCER. MARILYN WAS GORGEOUS, CHARMING, SMART, WITTY AND TALENTED. ANA IS GROSS AND TRASHY.
Hey, thanks for this video. Just wanted to voice that I disagree. I don’t see *any* evidence in the film that points to Dominik implying that any of these bad things that befell Marilyn were her fault. To the contrary, my friend and I think the thesis of the movie is showing the kaleidoscopic and varied ways in which people throughout her entire life found different ways to use/exploit her for their own purposes. For example, Arthur Miller found peace through her about his past unrequited love. Cass and Ed found in her the opposite parental upbringing situation that they had faced. And so on and so on. Now, you could argue that Dominik is using Monroe for his own purposes in the same way every other character in the movie is using her, Which may be a fair criticism.
Also, in terms of the irresponsibility of taking a true person and depicting their life in a twisted way, there are so many biographies and pieces of information out there about this person that I think every single new piece about a person doesn’t need to be glued to reality. Just look at once upon a time in Hollywood, Tarantino changes the course of history for his own artistic purposes. Just like there was Marilyn and there was Norma Jeane, there exists the real person Marilyn Monroe and then there exists the fable of her iconography in our culture. Perhaps you still think this is misguided since at the end of the day we’re still dealing with a real person‘s life, and obviously I wouldn’t love it if my life got twisted in an unrealistic way, but we’re dealing with a public figure and this is just my gut reaction.
LOL. CASS AND ED WERE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS THAT MARILYN MONROE DID NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH IN REAL LIFE. IGNORANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEGEND MARILYN MONROE. SO YOU THINK THIS MOVIE IS TRUE. IT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S A WORK OF FICTION FROM A FICTIONAL BOOK CALLED BLONDE.
@@joshjacobs9441 MARILYN MONROE WAS A REAL PERSON WITH REAL FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS. SHE WAS TALENTED AND SMART. SHE COULD DANCE, ACT AND SING. ANA POTRAYS MM LIKE A CONSTANTLY CRYING, CRAZY, SCARY PSYCHOPATH. THIS IS A MOVIE ABOUT ANA DE ARMAS AND HER OWN CASTING COUCH TRAUMA. MARILYN WAS NOTHING LIKE HER.
One of my old friends in college said that: “Hollywood is really for white man to ether play as heroes or to write as one.” I never really understood that comment but now I keep thinking about it a lot.
"Brave storytelling like this is essential"... To WHOM? BY whom? Let women speak on their OWN experiences instead of men thinking they HAVE to do it for us.
how did the film make you feel like the abuse was her fault wtf??! plus what she was about was wanting to do real acting which the film clearly shows also that she was willing to give up her career to be a mother also that she was intelectual and read quite a bit also that she was a very good person that wasnt out there to hurt people.
The problem is that we as an audience want to see a movie about her be about her whole life but it’s impossible to capture her 36 years in 3 hours… a movie about her could focus more on one aspect of her life and another movie could focus on another aspect… people just need to chill
Exactly. I see it as so many documentaries and films have portrayed Marilyn in the exact same way so seeing her in a completely different perspective, however inaccurate as it may seem, like in blonde is more enlightening.
It’s bigger than that. No one expects to capture 36 years in 3 hrs. We do expect for iconic women characters to be presented well and without having to sexualize her for no reason
@@ferociousfilms6757 Sure, 3 hours is not enough to portray the entirety of a persons life. But this movie is supposed to be a biopic, that the producer then calls "partially fictional" which then serves no purpose on informing anyone on anything in her live since more than half of it is based on lies and rumours or made up facts. It takes the absolute worst parts of someones life (then adds their own disgusting visuals of rape of top of rape.) That even IF they were 100 percent true, were presented in a way that not only victimized Marylin but just dragged her name through the mud as someone who never had her shit together, and was abused as she was because she somehow deserved it. The only thing enlightening about this movie, is that people normalize films like this as "art".
First of all, Adrian Brody saying ANYTHING about the struggles women face is laughably deplorable. Second of all, so much YES on the misogynistic blanket over this whole film. Monroe was smart and determined. Yes, her life was tragic and she got worn down, but she was strong in making it. Thirdly, while I appreciate a look at the tragedy of her life and what happened to eccelerate her demise, this was just indulgent and gratituitous in delivery. And marginally propaganda of what women should be. The plot line was barely held together by her real life and stuffed with the fiction of Oates book. It was awful.
Misleading title. The title really should've been "Graham ONeil offers haughty, disapproving opinions on the 'Blonde' film, occasionally incorporating quotes from director, star and other film critics". At least then I wouldn't have been expecting to see Ana de Armas and Andrew Dominik actually addressing the backlash to Blonde, which wasn't to be found in this vid.
I watched this movie yesterday and I have watched other Marilyn bios and movies, I feel like this movie is a fifty shades of MARILYN MONROE in a nutshell. Nobody in this lifetime are any other I believe ever thought Marilyn Monroe had a great life but this movie takes it over the edge and beyond. I must say that if there is any amount of truth to Joyce C. OATES Book about Marilyn Monroe and what she endured against her will are so we see in this movie, should strongly be looked into by law enforcement. Titles of very important people of yesteryear that make way to rights of powerful people of today and the titles and riches the hold should be shitting bricks after the nation wide release of this movie. Maybe not enough people read Joyce C. Oates book about the late actress, but this movie is a "GATE OPENING" to a whole new resurgence of # me too. Maybe that's why this movie was made this way in all its extremely bold unfiltered accusations it creates, because I felt like I was watching a movie based on some sort of high profile court case turned into some sort of very extremely twisted Documentary about Marilyn Monroe only without the high profile court case. Maybe I'm missing something, are I just don't get it but I'm pretty sure, "I'm seeing the same movie everyone else is"!
The movie is about the struggles of Norma Jean. The actress said it in a Spanish interview, she was just portraying and exploring the layers underneath Marylin persona who was this sexy, fun, seductive bombshell, but underneath there was this frágile woman named Norma Jean who suffered abandonment since her early childhood. The struggles of Norma Jean. Anyways wasn’t Marylin Monroe that intelligent, fragile, abused , sexy , charismatic woman. She was all that. A controversial figure. If Hollywood actresses are being abused nowadays in the industry can you imagine how it was 70years ago?! Too much The movie is cruel and raw, but too much wokeness going on… on the other hand Ana was amazing. I loved her.
This director's attitude is EXACTLY another man in denial for his actions and how his brain works and HOW HE EXPLOITED Ana for his twisted-what's wrong with you AD- YOUR REACTION IS YOUR PROBLEM/YOUR CHOICES "vision". So FU right back AD and we the audience, are VOTING YOU AND BP, THE F OUT! Kudos to Ana's bravery will always shine so far above yours, but you too exploited a young woman.
I just watched and I totally agree. It made me rather ill. Degrading to a great artist. Such a shame. Ana de Armas is fabulous in the role what a wasted of her talent with a terrible director.
This movie could have been an incredible allegory if it was a composite character. Similar to what HBO did with Succession, and the inspiration behind those characters.
The movie was horrible. If you love Marilyn Monroe dont watch it. To give this film importance is total BS its completely irresponsible and denigrating to Marilyn Monroe. Also Ana de Armas should have turned this film down if she had any actual knowledge of Marilyn Monroe before this movie which she admits she did not and that explains why she would agree to do this role. She could have lent her talent to a worthy script. Yes shame on all of them for not recognizing the harm they are doing to a beloved American Icon - its all BS- it’s pure fan fiction. This was merely a paycheck to everyone involved there is no redeeming quality in it for the viewer.
Ana de Armas did herself no favors making herself into a porn star trying to reincarnate Marilyn Monroe's so-say 'interior world'. Guessing it was supposed to be an art film filled with angst and self-loathing... and, that's just describing the inner sanctum inside the mind of the insipid director.
Finally a film that shows what everybody had in mind but no one dared to tell..... C'mon....... Her life was over at 36 (regardless being suicide, assasination, conspiracy). Do you think it was roses, diamonds and nice people?
This movie was fantastic. Ana did such an incredible job. The cinematography and editing was phenomenal. Would've definitely been one of the people giving a standing ovation in Venice.
One thing is your opinion about the movie, another thing is if the movie accomplished what it was trying to do. And by all the comments that I'm seeing, I think it did that really well 🤔
First, I'm going to give a list of things I remember from the 3 hour film I just finished. Orphan thrown into pornography Manages breaking into popularity for a career in the limelight Finds soul mates in a "Beat Generation" minaj a tua Only to promote loyalty over her self indulgence Gives herself a dream husband (who honestly, based on the movie, I'm not sure we know anything about really... they basically just troped him out to be weak and insecure) Next marries the first man that actually cares about her opinion She's represented as unraveling, dumb and egomaniacal Before she's randomly a less appreciated version of Monica Lewinsky Her ex bf turns out to have catfished her So she kills herself (?) *With theme of the protagonist enjoying working to get (heavily suggested just men, but lightly referenced that is was both men and women in the audience scenes) men to open up and explore the depths of their hearts' dreams *Plus a very overt attempted to bring Lars von Triers Nymphomaniac abortion scenes to prominence Overall... we had 3 hours. All of this could've been better.
It really didn't center on Mariyln or her works... her artistry, her beautiful beautiful philosophy It really felt like it centered quite angrily, and loudly, on the fact that she in a confused state put out to land her first gig. ...and I'm just like.... that's what we took away from Marilyn's legacy? And I'm not mad at asking the question, I'm genuinely just inquisitive. The movie didn't really suggest an argument as to why That would be the center of this film. Was the way he grabbed her neck and weighted her down supposed to parallel how her mom tried to drown her, to suggest that though the world was evil, it always showed civil restraint that though did cross very bold lines, never went all the way (and that in feeling threatened constantly, she wound up taking it all the way herself)???
By you believing that the film portrayed her as dumb means that the film is incredibly effective. The film shows multiple moments in which she reveals how well read and perceptive she is but the men dismiss due to everything that surrounds those qualities. You dismissed her because you only saw her as a victim. The film might have mostly explored her trauma but not *only* her trauma.
@@jamk2668 Did you just call me dumb? ...thanks for that. I think my specific drawback from the film was that the only argument I was finding was that "Masculinr Cruelty" is all powerful. And though i found the movie good, that argument is kind of rank.
The author of Blonde Joyce Carol Oates said it best. “I think it was/ is a brilliant work of cinematic art obviously not for everyone. Surprising that in a post #MeToo era the stark exposure of sexual predation in Hollywood has been interpreted as ‘exploitation.’”
The movie is not exposing the sexual predation in Hollywood. It's voyerism at its best and also worst and exploiting a beloved icon in the process. The novel is also trash by the way. The movie is trashier for failing to adapt the already trash novel. It can't even fail successfully.
@@sjna3493 How can you say that? You realize that you can say label anything voyerism, right? What if I say that a movie that exposes that brutality of the Nazis is voyerism? I saw the movie and at no moment did I think that it was voyerism. I spoke to my friends and spoke to people in the movie theater lobby and nobody felt titillated by the film. They all felt that it exposed what she went through in Hollywood and in her personal life and if anything was an indictment against Hollywood, Joe DiMaggio, JFK, etc...
You should not exploit a real person's life and fame in a process to expose sexual predation in Hollywood. Not even sure that this movie was trying to expose anything.
This story has been told a few times and blonde a movie made from the novel has been done before Poppy Montgomery stared in blonde Blonde 2001 ‧ And life time also had their approach With Kelly Garner A story line with her narrative through a talk with therapist. The thing with this new one Is they skip pages and chapters of the book Go straight from orphaned crazy mom to Gemini club with chaplains son Then skip more a head to joe DiMaggio and Arthur miller Then skip to the death Its a poor attempt at best and a vehicle for Ana the actress but it not the full story Missing so much What about how she was smart What about when she owned her own production company What about her choices and decisions to be a serious actress This Netflix movie blonde Needs some purple shampoo and developer it’s crap
I’m confused why people are so pressed over this film. As a woman and having dealt with similar issues, I liked how they didn’t gloss over her trauma but showed how the things that happened to her showed up in her life. I don’t see her as being mistreated, I see it as placing a lens up to Hollywood and just misogyny in general. It also shows like other people with high functioning depression and other issues can be successful and a mess. I feel like people just want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend like this woman wasn’t in some serious pain. It made me empathize and sympathize with her even more.
It was a script written by the director taken from a fictionalized book by Joyce Carol Oates, a horror writer. It was not a true story. It was a dramatization of fantasies from the minds of writers... not Marilyn Monroe. Too bad no one is alive to defend Marilyn from her Hollywood stalkers in a court of law. Disgusting depiction of a talented artist who is relegated to a cartoon character. Andrew Dominik chooses dead icons because they cannot fight back. FIE!!!!
@@SnarkierThan-U-R you don't need to see the whole pile of shit to recognize something is shit. Seeing just 15 min. of this film I couldn't continue watching. It's so disrespectful and vulgar. I truly believe any living relative of Monroe should sue the film for defamation.
Funny that the very people who claim to be trying to make the gross film just to bring awareness to women's struggles didn't even have enough respect for their "star" Ana that they simply treated her like an insignificant and didn't let her finish her speech right when she had something important to say. The Bible says you will know them by their fruits. The spirit of this film is to exploit monroe further. Not bring awareness to women's struggles. Otherwise they would have treated Ana better. Pay attention to the little things. They matter.
Sounds like the movie is just not for you. I think it was brilliant, and I left with a great sense of empathy and interest in the figure behind the dreamy veil Andrew Dominik put up here. It was as brutal as it was romantic, all the while carrying a very human core.
I find it funny that everyone who critiques the film can only come up with arguments such as "it's offensive" or "it's misogynistic", when people who appreciate the film can actually point out excellent features such as the beautiful cinematography, great acting and haunting (and important) message. Typical.
"What a stupid way to approach a film. Basing it on images." Man, this guys knows so little about the craft of filmmaking that it feels painful to watch.
My final opinion: if the movie is about someone who was going to kill themselves, we needed the Marilyn Monroe of reasons why they would do that. You had 3 hours to establish an argument and still left an explanatory gap as to why. In The Hours, Virginia kills herself heavily implied because of the hurt and disarray she was causing her loved ones. The Marilyn Monroe transformation of this kind of reasoning would be... let me think...
Racing thoughts down trajectories that haunt her Falling to a puddle of a person that couldnt elate or emote if they tried, like Dunst in Melancholia (like disconnect between thoughts and their ability to elicit an emotional reaction) Her meeting talents and intellectuals that paralleled her own and seemed to also have everything she's ever wanted but could never have Her hair falling out or emergency surgery that left a bunch of jarring scars or texturing/ coloration Or even her just mf liking the color of the pills and experiencing to see if the color of them made the experience of swallowing them one by one feel any different (this is me really digging deep into the Sexy born yesterday trope) bc she really dgaf and was just bored and continued her spiritual exploration down into dangerous terrain... just because she needed a distraction and some escapism Okay, now I'm getting mad that they didn't propose a reason as to why beside "cruel intentions of men." Dominick def stroking himself off here in the possible interpretation that he's only kind because he thinks his male cruelty could be oh that so powerful. Please
I can't say the movie was bad...because it was good. But, can definitely say the transitions and connective tissue was weak, and the overall POV was too busy going for "rivotting" and fan service (literally Frankenstein cuts from other successful Netflix series), to note when the main star, her philosophy, was crowded halfway out the shot.
I have not watched the movie yet. However, I feel that if a man who has watched it moves on with his life and indulges in pornographic material, gentlemen clubs, adulterous affairs, or using his imagination to please himself; then, he has missed the point of female sexual exploitation and observing the dignity of women.
Blonde is suppose to show her tramma in pain. I thought of it as entries in her diary. Even the way it was filmed. Sporadic and very dark. Something you would write in the diary.
Thing is, Marilyn actually DID keep a diary. There is a few films that go into it and feature real life recordings of her telling her OWN story. That's where the issue lies for me. Making money off what someone else thinks of her experience rather than leaving that to her is wrong.
People nowadays are childish. It’s almost like we are regressing as a society. People want a fairytale. They’ve never been through shit. They’re sensitive and pampered. I think this film masterfully highlights MM’s tragic life. Because yes, it was tragic. You can have another film that’s a basic corny biopic, but this film really makes you think about the traumas she endured and the effect they had in her life and the way she was treated as a dumb sex object when she was actually very intellectual and wanted to take her acting further and deeper. The film portrayed that MM very well yet showed how misogyny and abuse held her back. And she didn’t always make the best choices either. She was a flawed human. I’ve had her signature tattooed on my arm for years, I’m a huge fan and have read everything about her, love all her films and I support this film. It was beautifully done.
The movie is BRILLLIANT, the majority of negative comments in this thread was made by sycophantic children who didn't see the movie, or didn't understand what they were watching if they did see the movie. Children are MORONS
I thought it was brilliant. It was art in motion. It details the truths about what women do go through and especially what women had to go through back when Marilyn was coming up in Hollywood. I loved all the shots I thought it was great! I thought I wasn't going to like it. But I love it. I hope it stays number one on Netflix!
Hi Graeme. I disagree strongly with your take on the film. I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, the same syndrome Marilyn suffered from. I agree that there are other positives to her life rather than these BPD symptoms. However, the film represents the symptoms with great accuracy. 10% of people with BPD succeed in killing themselves (many more try.) Dr. Peter Fonagy, a specialist in this area, said he thinks BPD is the most painful psychological syndrome a person can have. BPD often feels pervasively torturous, and the film captured that in my opinion.
the notes from her psychiatrist were leaked and he never diagnosed her with BPD, he said she was depressed and still experienced the effects of her childhood trauma (being abandoned and abused), he said in those documents that she was acting out because of said trauma which often made her gravitate towards the wrong type of people
@@gracieloufreebush4899 I see. BPD is often (still - decades later) mistaken for depression, trauma, bipolar, etc. (Comorbidities are also common with BPD.) I think it’s widely accepted that whether or not she was diagnosed, she met almost all 9 BPD criteria.
How do you feel if I not only told your story without your permission or involvement and put my own spin on it, made money off it and trashed you in interviews. If I gave people a completely false idea of who you are , you'd be fine with that?
I enjoyed the film. It’s a “fictionalised” version of her life. It explores the trauma of someone by actually traumatising the audience. (And I’m not easily traumatised by movies). Lots of real events are toyed with to emphasise her trauma and emotion. It’s not about the events themselves. And it’s not about her career either. it’s the toll of being the lust of the world. The guy for sure succeeded
The backlash is the only voice of Marilyn Monroe echoing from the abyss of a trashy art film. Director Andrew Dominik said it is a film about a woman killing herself. Did he do any research besides piling up images of Marilyn and copying them into a pastiche of an exaggerated horror movie? Netflix can make money off it in the beginning, but this flop of a flick deserves every notch of its NC-17 rating. Ana de Armas should have researched her character and stepped off from the project. Her talent wasted on depicting rampant male fantasy sexual abuse. Just no!
Marilyn must be turning in her grave. I haven't even watched this movie but I have read enough about it to know that it's undeniably disrespectful to her to exploit her in this way. Knowing what The Academy is like, Blonde will at least have nominations but if there's any justice in the world, it will just be forgotten about. The real Marilyn Monroe deserved better and I'm truly sorry that people thought it was appropriate to tarnish her legacy and memory for the sake of a gross, distasteful, deceptive film on Netflix.
also it was a weird pro life propaganda and made her whole reason to live is for men either her lovers who she calls daddy or her actual dad when she had her miscarriages the film blamed it on her or it was some punishment because of the first abortion this movie was disgusting
NO it's wasn't a pro life propaganda film. I am pro choice and it was a pro life film. You are obviously too young to grasp the metaphors, symbolism and gravitas that was rampant throughout the movie. Norma had two husbands, there were muliple lovers that I am aware of. She NEVER had an abortion in real life.either. This movie was meant to represent how Hollywood creates a "product" that the masses then consume, and how that type of treatment, meant that Norma Jean had no agency to 'self actualize' to a level where she was fully happy.
@@SnarkierThan-U-R age has nothing to do with it and ur first sentence seems to agree with me. We knew the dehumanization of marylin most ppl assumed it would show how complex and deep she actually was and her relationships with women around her.this was a fictional 2 dimensional story. And age doesn't imply you have critical thinking or intelligence. The director is a perv
The arrogance of Dominik is the problem of so many of these insensitives, of which we've had enough... and we will not accept it. Like VOTERS, We the AUDIENCE are your voters, Dom... The audience makes your career Dominik, so you have abused the hands that feed you! So see you in the unemployment line.
Thanks for this astute spot on analysis! Got yourself a new subscriber. This film makes me angry even though I haven't seen it. Maybe it's because I just finished an excellent bio of MM by Donald Spoto which is all the things this film obviously isn't. MM as portrayed by Spoto, is complex,self-knowing,has great business savvy and aspires and does all she can to be a great actress. He also concludes,as I do, that it was most probably an accidental overdose rather than a suicide as is widely held. Seeing as it is the only conclusion that is actually evidenced looking at for example, her optimistic life circumstances at the time. Her unethical awful drug feeding drs she had around her like Dr. Ralph Greenson (and what is so tragic, who she was finally making a break from). The autopsy report and conclusion by coroner Dr. Thomas Noguchi etc). So any film with that has suicide as it's accepted fact is already very flawed to begin with. To so casually use the image of a human being that so many people admire and respect and inspired is reckless and opportunistic at best, and downright manipulative, misogynistic, ableist and toxic at worst. So yeah I agree for shame Andrew Dominik for shame!! And what a dick this guy is, probably revels in being some 'infant terrible' or 'provocateur'. Like piss off, you're just an over confident, entitled white man who has obviously got spoilt, coddled and humoured for way too long. Maybe someone should make a film about him, using his 'images' as inspiration, and talking about what a talentless narcissistic chauvinist he is and see how he likes it.
Bad take mate. The film never implies that what happens to her is her own fault. The director is very proficient and has clear intent. You might not like what he does, and that is ok. Not every film is made for you. Cool off.
i hate each and every person who made this movie. who was in it who knew what was going on and let this trash out. you can't do that to a real person. what i she was alive? just because she's dead everyone has rights to walk all over her?wasn't it enough what they made her go through when she was alive? let the woman rest in peace
They always say any publicity is good publicity when you wanna line your pockets with gold. That's Andrew Dominick's only care, his pockets are now lined with gold and he's happy about it.
But to be frank, we needed it to be done as artfully as Marilyn performed herself. The Hours was in that same category but they didn't make it all bullies and oppression. It was tasteful
People honestly respect and revere Marilyn Monroe's work (and intentions) 3 to 5 magnitudes more than rocket scientists ans doctors... please note, I couldn't even say 2 times more, nor cap it at just 4 times more. And you decide to put mainly men (and cheap bar alcoholic looking men) not only on the same level as her, but to the forefront of movie about her? And say oh the problem is yall trying to rescue her????????????
How is this difference from Elvis? Both movies are interpretations of reality. No one can tell the story as it really was as a lot happened behind close doors. Just take a chill pill.
@@mimimimz6719 also it was a weird pro life propaganda and made her whole reason to live is for men either her lovers who she calls daddy or her actual dad when she had her miscarriages the film blamed it on her or it was some punishment because of the first abortion this movie was disgusting
I did no like this movie at all, I found it very insulting not only for Marilyn Monroe as a person, as an artist who happened to have a difficult family life as a lot of people do, but for all women whose life was determined by the limitations that society enforced on their rights. Ana de armas did a great job as an actor, but this film was not worthy of her talent.
I don’t see where marylin was portrayed in the film as being guilty for how she was treated. The film highlighted the grossness of her abusers, not how she was responsible for it. I didn’t see the hate of the director towards marylin.it was unilateral, in terms of the fact that only marylin’s trauma was shown, but that was the material it was based, that’s the book, and yes i think that is the problem, that we do not see more of her other sides. but, if you only see it as a fragment of what marilyn is/was, then it is beautiful. also, the film doesn’t purport to be the whole truth of who marylin is. that is only how people choose to see it. because they do not understand the convention of fiction, they see a bio and expect absolute reporting of truth. but in fat, they do not want even that, they want it to be warm and fuzzy and politically correct, even if that means censoring/altering truth. people are not offended that the film disrespects marylin, people are offended that it shows uncomfortable moments, and depicts the vulnerability -a perfectly legit vulnerability, given her life - of a woman, and women are supposed to not be portrayed as vulnerable or abused, because that’s not to be condoned, disregarding the fact that showing unflinchingly scenes of abuse does not mean condoning it, it means exposing it for what it is. moreover, no person ever, alive or dead, can be truly known by anyone, perhaps with the exception of their loved ones. in any case, they can’t be known from narratives told to the large public on screen. films about public people are always a fragment of what might have been. they always tailor reality to serve a story. it’s fiction. get used to it. at least this film sought formal beauty. spencer is completely off the rails and kind of ridiculous in terms of the linking between ann boleyn and diana and of diana seeing ann boleyn. but that movie too, had good parts. the weaponization of food, her being abused by an unflinching institution-like family, the visuals and the music used in the film.
Its based off of a feminist surrealist novel using her as a metaphor. Do more research because joyce carol oates wrote a wonderful 1000pg exploration of society. Not a biopic
"when you are depicting a real person you can´t just do whatever you want" EXACTLY THIS, she was a real person that lived and suffered,
Who made up that rule? People are acting like she was Anne Frank. People can make whatever they like. You don't have to like it.
@@eamonsherry2185 it’s not that we don’t like it, it’s that it is disrespectful to a REAL person. And treats them the exact way that drove them to their own suicide, and treats the main actress like men did to Marilyn herself
@@eamonsherry2185 What I find odd is your comment about how she is not Anne Frank as if somehow Marilyn is less deserving of respect a person.
@@eamonsherry2185 what's that got to do with it? You need to be Anne Frank to be respected after you die?
Agree 💯!!!
Problem is, you leave this movie with a takeaway of “Marilyn Monroe had abandonment issues and was emotionally and physically abused. And that’s it.” In a 3-hour movie, her career is focused on for what, 20 minutes? Rest of the time, de Armas seems like she’s on the verge of a panic attack. To me, it brought up the 1990 John Belushi bio “Wired,” where Belushi was portrayed as a drug addict, a drug addict, and a drug addict, and by the way, he dabbled in comedy.
Well said!
If that's all you take away from it, then it's on you. The issue is that great films are not interested in directing you towards a specific meaning. It presents you with an open area for you to fill it up with your own ideas and visions. Films should be closer to a piece of music. You wouldn't ever dismiss a song for not providing you with a clearly stated meaning. It should be more about the inexpressible feelings that are brought forth. Not to mention, your memory has failed you because there were brief moments of joy and beauty, therefore, it wasn't all relentless torture. Sometimes the beauty was wrapped inside the tragedy. The film is attempting to examine childhood trauma and the nature of identity through the avatar of an icon, thus revealing deeper naunces in the process. It's about the ways in which we conceptualize celebrities and the ways in which we conceptualize ourselves. Craftsmanship is what truly matters, not being moralistic.
@@jamk2668 speaking of music, that showcases just how remedial Dominik was as a storyteller. After the first sequence, he highlights the song “Every Baby Needs a Daddy (I expected a subtitle to yell “Because she’s an orphan, get it?”) and after the abortion sequence, you hear “Bye Bye, Baby.” He has all the narrative subtlety of a sledgehammer. Dude used the same crutch with the talk radio coverage of the bank bailouts in “Killing them Softly.” He might as well have grabbed a bullhorn and yelled “This is a crime story, but it’s also about capitalism gone awry!”
She had a hard childhood and suffered trauma isn't it obvious she would have some issues? That doesn't detract from her as a person
But then I kinda thought that they showed the awful parts because nobody accepted that as her reality…. And people keep saying how she had no happy moments in the film and she had so many happy moments in real life but ultimately they’ve shown all her happy parts, they’ve done loads of movies about those parts…. Why doesn’t it make sense to do this part now ?
Wow...Did Ana De Armas just get treated...like MM/Norma Jean/many people? She didn't get to complete her thought and no one, including her, stood up for her to complete her thought...
It’s so exploitative and opportunistic , she died years ago and she’s not here to defend herself
I’ve never been so disgusted with Brad Pitt. Additionally with everyone who had a hand in the storytelling as a whole.
I read her half biography, I find it funny that this is supposed to explore Norma Jean but is so sexualized considering Marilyn herself said in her unfinished biography that she was never that interested in sex🙈 it’s called”My Story” with Ben Hecht, they published what she intended to have finished for her biography. Maybe that would’ve been a better source material for this movie rather than a fiction…. Js
they didn´t do her justice they should have used what she wrote in her own book about her life, the allegations that she had several abortions were just downright cruel, she wanted to be a mother more than anything and lost several pregnancies, she always deserved better
I did not like it, the whole movie was just insane. The way it was filmed. It got interesting at some point, but then it deteriorated, and I think there was a assumptions on how she was treated and abused including by JFK? that did not even see her the most famous woman in the world or the icon she was.. . People still worship her today.
Bleak. Hollow. Soulless.
A difficult film to sit through. Its morbid tone leaves you feeling uneasy with graphic sexual violence and abusive nature. Marilyn Monroe’s story needed to be told with heart and understanding of who this woman was during her time on and off camera.
Marilyn is represented as a shadow figure against bright lights and glitter, without a trace of her real struggle to find redemption as a human with a troubled past.
It’s a missed opportunity to have made a great film from her extraordinary life.
You could literally copy and paste this with no edits for a Bros movie review.
The Marilyn Monroe references would just be metaphorical for high glitz, glam and gay taste levels.
He feels vulnerable?What a disgusting hypocrite.
Marilyn suffered so much in her career it would have been nice if they instead highlighted all the inappropriate behavior that does not have a place in society today
Blonde isn't trying to show us 'the real Marilyn', it's based on a fictional book about 'her life'. The film is meant to be symbolic of her trauma and pain, it needs to be viewed as a horror film really. If you want a documentary about her life those are already available.
You are trying to explain something really difficult to an ignorant troll like Graeme, don’t waste your time
What passed person cares what anyone thinks about them let alone would want screenwriters input about their lives on the big screen??mmm
symbolic of her trauma and pain that doesn’t exist???
It failed miserably.
@@ThatsJustMyBabyDaddy yes YOU failed miserably to understand it
The fact it was made by a man says so much.
This director is a narcissist, plain and simple. A gaslighting narcissist, who can't feel empathy that's why he doesn't show any. 🧐
Exactly. Chopper turned a violent criminal into a celebrity thanks to Andrew Dominik.
I thought it was an interesting point of view. Well acted, and thought-provoking. Women have been put through all kinds of hell at the hands of aggressive, domineering, self-important men, for a very long time! Not just in the movie industry either. They have been told to keep quiet about it in order to get the job, to keep the job and even to be able to continue to work. There was a very ugly side to Hollywood… this is giving you a glimpse in to it. If you want ‘happy-go-lightly’, this is not the movie for you. It’s Marilyn from a different perspective.
Couldn’t have said it better myself 👏🏻
I agree .. I loved it!
did dominik pay his bots to defend his dumpster fire
@@xxromanovaxx6682 Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
I lost all respect for Andrew Dominik because of this movie its just torture porn
He just projected so much onto her just because there is a cultural fascination and narrative of her as a victim. He even mentioned that part of it was sexual punishment…seems like he wanted to punish her for being a “whore” as he apparently called her. It’s not deep, it’s not interesting, it’s an amalgamation of the worst kids of fantasies (pure innocent female victimhood and also punishment against women for whatever weird incel feelings he’s experienced about them) projected onto someone who has already had far more than enough of that and who isn’t alive to say anything about it.
She was PHENOMENAL but the movie was DEPRESSING & one toned.
This man is so irritating to me..he clearly has no empathy towards Marilyn Monroe and its clear that he doesnt see her as a full human being and is not interested in showing her love for cinema, her charms, her demons, her edges as well as her mistreatment. She is so beautiful as person and he didnt seem to care..its so so sad to see this movie, especially if youre a fan of Monroe. She deserved so much more in life and now in death.
The events might not be completely accurate but it captured the essence of Norma tragic life; she was used, abused and in the end, "suicided".
It also shows the truth about Marilyn basically being a split personality of Norma ie. Stemming from MK Ultra.
The married president who was having sordid affairs with countless women including Marilyn, to the point of philandering while his wife gave birth to a stillborn daughter was far from a saint....yet to this day, the masses are pedestalizing him.
The thing is that could have been done TASTEFULLY and properly fleshed out. It's a 3 hour movie that fails to showcase Norma/Marilyn as a whole, instead she's reduced to a body and a crying face.
Yes exactly Graeme!! My take, Ana did give an incredible performance no doubt. The issue is with the way the movie set out to portray her. It's irresponsible film making to take someone's likeness down to recreating every outfit, picture etc and then give a one sided portrayal that blames her and depicts her as a spiraling mess. For example, did we really need to see her topless in the portrayal of the final moments of her life? Where is the care in making sure the movie is respectful and does not erase or call into question the legacy of confidence, kindness, intelligence, and the sweet nature of the Marilyn we all love!
I honestly don't mind disrespect etc. But I do feel like the movie struggled with what genre it wanted to be in
And yes, Ana wasn't a problem. She's definitely this movies meal ticket and central appeal in this role and she didn't disappoint truly.
But the overall take was a little bit... misguided. They basically called Marilyn a hoe in just about every way they could, and a good portion of those weren't even covert.
THE MOVIE IS HEARTLESS AND CRUEL BECAUSE THE DIRECTOR HATED MARILYN MONROE AND HE SAID HE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT HER REAL LIFE. SO THAT'S WHY THE MOVIE IS TRASH.
@@okayimbackwhateverjones WELL PEOPLE WHO KNEW MARILYN MONROE CARE ABOUT HER BEING DISRESPECTED AND SO DO HER FANS. THIS MOVIE IS HORRIBLE AND IT DOESN'T PORTRAY THE GREATNESS OF MM AND EVERYTHING SHE ACCOMPLISHED IN HER LIFE. SHE WAS A GREZT ACTRESS, SINGER AND DANCER. MARILYN WAS GORGEOUS, CHARMING, SMART, WITTY AND TALENTED. ANA IS GROSS AND TRASHY.
You just gained a new subscriber !
Thank you for actually analyzing what has happened and not just drooling at the B&W and beauty of the actors !
There are 50k of us for a reason lol
This movie should have been called Trash.
Hey, thanks for this video. Just wanted to voice that I disagree. I don’t see *any* evidence in the film that points to Dominik implying that any of these bad things that befell Marilyn were her fault. To the contrary, my friend and I think the thesis of the movie is showing the kaleidoscopic and varied ways in which people throughout her entire life found different ways to use/exploit her for their own purposes. For example, Arthur Miller found peace through her about his past unrequited love. Cass and Ed found in her the opposite parental upbringing situation that they had faced. And so on and so on. Now, you could argue that Dominik is using Monroe for his own purposes in the same way every other character in the movie is using her, Which may be a fair criticism.
Also, in terms of the irresponsibility of taking a true person and depicting their life in a twisted way, there are so many biographies and pieces of information out there about this person that I think every single new piece about a person doesn’t need to be glued to reality. Just look at once upon a time in Hollywood, Tarantino changes the course of history for his own artistic purposes. Just like there was Marilyn and there was Norma Jeane, there exists the real person Marilyn Monroe and then there exists the fable of her iconography in our culture. Perhaps you still think this is misguided since at the end of the day we’re still dealing with a real person‘s life, and obviously I wouldn’t love it if my life got twisted in an unrealistic way, but we’re dealing with a public figure and this is just my gut reaction.
LOL. CASS AND ED WERE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS THAT MARILYN MONROE DID NOT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH IN REAL LIFE. IGNORANT PEOPLE LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE LEGEND MARILYN MONROE. SO YOU THINK THIS MOVIE IS TRUE. IT'S NOT TRUE. IT'S A WORK OF FICTION FROM A FICTIONAL BOOK CALLED BLONDE.
@@joshjacobs9441 MARILYN MONROE WAS A REAL PERSON WITH REAL FEELINGS AND EMOTIONS. SHE WAS TALENTED AND SMART. SHE COULD DANCE, ACT AND SING. ANA POTRAYS MM LIKE A CONSTANTLY CRYING, CRAZY, SCARY PSYCHOPATH. THIS IS A MOVIE ABOUT ANA DE ARMAS AND HER OWN CASTING COUCH TRAUMA. MARILYN WAS NOTHING LIKE HER.
He made it seem like she was addicted to appealing to men's fantasies and desires
Even those closest to her
One of my old friends in college said that: “Hollywood is really for white man to ether play as heroes or to write as one.”
I never really understood that comment but now I keep thinking about it a lot.
Ya I didn’t watch Spencer and I won’t watch this either. Feels like they are bad pedalling from the negative reactions.
"Brave storytelling like this is essential"... To WHOM? BY whom? Let women speak on their OWN experiences instead of men thinking they HAVE to do it for us.
how did the film make you feel like the abuse was her fault wtf??! plus what she was about was wanting to do real acting which the film clearly shows also that she was willing to give up her career to be a mother also that she was intelectual and read quite a bit also that she was a very good person that wasnt out there to hurt people.
The problem is that we as an audience want to see a movie about her be about her whole life but it’s impossible to capture her 36 years in 3 hours… a movie about her could focus more on one aspect of her life and another movie could focus on another aspect… people just need to chill
Exactly.
I see it as so many documentaries and films have portrayed Marilyn in the exact same way so seeing her in a completely different perspective, however inaccurate as it may seem, like in blonde is more enlightening.
It’s bigger than that. No one expects to capture 36 years in 3 hrs. We do expect for iconic women characters to be presented well and without having to sexualize her for no reason
this movie is wank material for the director and like minded dudes who think watching women suffer is great art
@@ferociousfilms6757 Sure, 3 hours is not enough to portray the entirety of a persons life. But this movie is supposed to be a biopic, that the producer then calls "partially fictional" which then serves no purpose on informing anyone on anything in her live since more than half of it is based on lies and rumours or made up facts. It takes the absolute worst parts of someones life (then adds their own disgusting visuals of rape of top of rape.) That even IF they were 100 percent true, were presented in a way that not only victimized Marylin but just dragged her name through the mud as someone who never had her shit together, and was abused as she was because she somehow deserved it. The only thing enlightening about this movie, is that people normalize films like this as "art".
After watching the film, I myself felt violated. :/
I had a hard time to watch almost 3 hours . Very sad. RIP MM.🙏 Don't put this biopic movie to Oscar.
Did you almost feel like they were calling fans of Marilyn's philosophy gluttonous pig men?
The MOVIE WAS JUST TRASH BY A CHAUVINIST PIG DIRECTOR WHO HATED MARILYN MONROE.
@@okayimbackwhateverjones Marilyn Monroe never said that. You just made that shit up. All lies like the PIG DIRECTOR OF THIS HORRIBLE MOVIE.
First of all, Adrian Brody saying ANYTHING about the struggles women face is laughably deplorable.
Second of all, so much YES on the misogynistic blanket over this whole film. Monroe was smart and determined. Yes, her life was tragic and she got worn down, but she was strong in making it.
Thirdly, while I appreciate a look at the tragedy of her life and what happened to eccelerate her demise, this was just indulgent and gratituitous in delivery. And marginally propaganda of what women should be. The plot line was barely held together by her real life and stuffed with the fiction of Oates book. It was awful.
What is so laughable about what Adrian Brody said? Why are you trying to pretend to be an adult when can't even contextually finish a sentence.
Not Adrian Brody aligning again with a horrible director lmao.
Misleading title. The title really should've been "Graham ONeil offers haughty, disapproving opinions on the 'Blonde' film, occasionally incorporating quotes from director, star and other film critics". At least then I wouldn't have been expecting to see Ana de Armas and Andrew Dominik actually addressing the backlash to Blonde, which wasn't to be found in this vid.
I watched this movie yesterday and I have watched other Marilyn bios and movies, I feel like this movie is a fifty shades of MARILYN MONROE in a nutshell. Nobody in this lifetime are any other I believe ever thought Marilyn Monroe had a great life but this movie takes it over the edge and beyond. I must say that if there is any amount of truth to Joyce C. OATES Book about Marilyn Monroe and what she endured against her will are so we see in this movie, should strongly be looked into by law enforcement. Titles of very important people of yesteryear that make way to rights of powerful people of today and the titles and riches the hold should be shitting bricks after the nation wide release of this movie. Maybe not enough people read Joyce C. Oates book about the late actress, but this movie is a "GATE OPENING" to a whole new resurgence of # me too. Maybe that's why this movie was made this way in all its extremely bold unfiltered accusations it creates, because I felt like I was watching a movie based on some sort of high profile court case turned into some sort of very extremely twisted Documentary about Marilyn Monroe only without the high profile court case. Maybe I'm missing something, are I just don't get it but I'm pretty sure, "I'm seeing the same movie everyone else is"!
The movie is about the struggles of Norma Jean. The actress said it in a Spanish interview, she was just portraying and exploring the layers underneath Marylin persona who was this sexy, fun, seductive bombshell, but underneath there was this frágile woman named Norma Jean who suffered abandonment since her early childhood. The struggles of Norma Jean. Anyways wasn’t Marylin Monroe that intelligent, fragile, abused , sexy , charismatic woman. She was all that. A controversial figure. If Hollywood actresses are being abused nowadays in the industry can you imagine how it was 70years ago?! Too much The movie is cruel and raw, but too much wokeness going on… on the other hand Ana was amazing. I loved her.
This director's attitude is EXACTLY another man in denial for his actions and how his brain works and HOW HE EXPLOITED Ana for his twisted-what's wrong with you AD- YOUR REACTION IS YOUR PROBLEM/YOUR CHOICES "vision". So FU right back AD and we the audience, are VOTING YOU AND BP, THE F OUT! Kudos to Ana's bravery will always shine so far above yours, but you too exploited a young woman.
The "Marilyn was a nymphomaniac" perspective
I just watched and I totally agree. It made me rather ill. Degrading to a great artist. Such a shame. Ana de Armas is fabulous in the role what a wasted of her talent with a terrible director.
This movie could have been an incredible allegory if it was a composite character.
Similar to what HBO did with Succession, and the inspiration behind those characters.
The movie was horrible. If you love Marilyn Monroe dont watch it. To give this film importance is total BS its completely irresponsible and denigrating to Marilyn Monroe. Also Ana de Armas should have turned this film down if she had any actual knowledge of Marilyn Monroe before this movie which she admits she did not and that explains why she would agree to do this role. She could have lent her talent to a worthy script.
Yes shame on all of them for not recognizing the harm they are doing to a beloved American Icon - its all BS- it’s pure fan fiction. This was merely a paycheck to everyone involved there is no redeeming quality in it for the viewer.
Ana de Armas did herself no favors making herself into a porn star trying to reincarnate Marilyn Monroe's so-say 'interior world'. Guessing it was supposed to be an art film filled with angst and self-loathing... and, that's just describing the inner sanctum inside the mind of the insipid director.
"What stupid way to approach film, base it off still images" But litterly filmmakers have been doing that for years. Obviously, it's just not for you.
😂
Finally a film that shows what everybody had in mind but no one dared to tell.....
C'mon....... Her life was over at 36 (regardless being suicide, assasination, conspiracy).
Do you think it was roses, diamonds and nice people?
Cheslie Krysts was as well. You want to double down on that point now?
@@okayimbackwhateverjones well, maybe a prequel about her mother........
First of all, the movie is fictional. Second of all, she committed suicide; you can't pretend trauma was not a quintessential part of her life.
This movie was fantastic. Ana did such an incredible job. The cinematography and editing was phenomenal. Would've definitely been one of the people giving a standing ovation in Venice.
Agreed!
One thing is your opinion about the movie, another thing is if the movie accomplished what it was trying to do. And by all the comments that I'm seeing, I think it did that really well 🤔
Yeah. Made money off a dead woman's image.
@@staceyboomboom8031 Sure. Many directors do. Movies like Bohemian Rhapsody, Aretha Franklin, Beatles, Elvis… what's your point?
First, I'm going to give a list of things I remember from the 3 hour film I just finished.
Orphan thrown into pornography
Manages breaking into popularity for a career in the limelight
Finds soul mates in a "Beat Generation" minaj a tua
Only to promote loyalty over her self indulgence
Gives herself a dream husband (who honestly, based on the movie, I'm not sure we know anything about really... they basically just troped him out to be weak and insecure)
Next marries the first man that actually cares about her opinion
She's represented as unraveling, dumb and egomaniacal
Before she's randomly a less appreciated version of Monica Lewinsky
Her ex bf turns out to have catfished her
So she kills herself (?)
*With theme of the protagonist enjoying working to get (heavily suggested just men, but lightly referenced that is was both men and women in the audience scenes) men to open up and explore the depths of their hearts' dreams
*Plus a very overt attempted to bring Lars von Triers Nymphomaniac abortion scenes to prominence
Overall... we had 3 hours. All of this could've been better.
It really didn't center on Mariyln or her works... her artistry, her beautiful beautiful philosophy
It really felt like it centered quite angrily, and loudly, on the fact that she in a confused state put out to land her first gig. ...and I'm just like.... that's what we took away from Marilyn's legacy?
And I'm not mad at asking the question, I'm genuinely just inquisitive. The movie didn't really suggest an argument as to why That would be the center of this film.
Was the way he grabbed her neck and weighted her down supposed to parallel how her mom tried to drown her, to suggest that though the world was evil, it always showed civil restraint that though did cross very bold lines, never went all the way (and that in feeling threatened constantly, she wound up taking it all the way herself)???
The MOVIE WAS TRASH AND HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REAL MARILYN MONROE.
By you believing that the film portrayed her as dumb means that the film is incredibly effective. The film shows multiple moments in which she reveals how well read and perceptive she is but the men dismiss due to everything that surrounds those qualities. You dismissed her because you only saw her as a victim. The film might have mostly explored her trauma but not *only* her trauma.
@@jamk2668 Did you just call me dumb? ...thanks for that.
I think my specific drawback from the film was that the only argument I was finding was that "Masculinr Cruelty" is all powerful. And though i found the movie good, that argument is kind of rank.
The author of Blonde Joyce Carol Oates said it best. “I think it was/ is a brilliant work of cinematic art obviously not for everyone. Surprising that in a post #MeToo era the stark exposure of sexual predation in Hollywood has been interpreted as ‘exploitation.’”
The movie is not exposing the sexual predation in Hollywood. It's voyerism at its best and also worst and exploiting a beloved icon in the process. The novel is also trash by the way. The movie is trashier for failing to adapt the already trash novel. It can't even fail successfully.
@@sjna3493 How can you say that? You realize that you can say label anything voyerism, right? What if I say that a movie that exposes that brutality of the Nazis is voyerism? I saw the movie and at no moment did I think that it was voyerism. I spoke to my friends and spoke to people in the movie theater lobby and nobody felt titillated by the film. They all felt that it exposed what she went through in Hollywood and in her personal life and if anything was an indictment against Hollywood, Joe DiMaggio, JFK, etc...
You should not exploit a real person's life and fame in a process to expose sexual predation in Hollywood. Not even sure that this movie was trying to expose anything.
This story has been told a few times and blonde a movie made from the novel has been done before
Poppy Montgomery stared in blonde
Blonde
2001 ‧
And life time also had their approach
With Kelly Garner
A story line with her narrative through a talk with therapist.
The thing with this new one
Is they skip pages and chapters of the book
Go straight from orphaned crazy mom to Gemini club with chaplains son
Then skip more a head to joe DiMaggio and Arthur miller
Then skip to the death
Its a poor attempt at best and a vehicle for Ana the actress but it not the full story
Missing so much
What about how she was smart
What about when she owned her own production company
What about her choices and decisions to be a serious actress
This Netflix movie blonde
Needs some purple shampoo and developer it’s crap
Exactly. This Movie is PURE Trash 🗑 🤧
Very degrading to Marilyn Monroe especially that JFK scene was hard to watch I literally skipped it
I’m confused why people are so pressed over this film. As a woman and having dealt with similar issues, I liked how they didn’t gloss over her trauma but showed how the things that happened to her showed up in her life. I don’t see her as being mistreated, I see it as placing a lens up to Hollywood and just misogyny in general. It also shows like other people with high functioning depression and other issues can be successful and a mess. I feel like people just want to stick their heads in the sand and pretend like this woman wasn’t in some serious pain. It made me empathize and sympathize with her even more.
It was a script written by the director taken from a fictionalized book by Joyce Carol Oates, a horror writer. It was not a true story. It was a dramatization of fantasies from the minds of writers... not Marilyn Monroe. Too bad no one is alive to defend Marilyn from her Hollywood stalkers in a court of law. Disgusting depiction of a talented artist who is relegated to a cartoon character. Andrew Dominik chooses dead icons because they cannot fight back. FIE!!!!
Movie is based on a 'fictional biography', not her real life... Duh...
Absolutely perverted director.
You didn't even watch te movie.
@@SnarkierThan-U-R you don't need to see the whole pile of shit to recognize something is shit. Seeing just 15 min. of this film I couldn't continue watching. It's so disrespectful and vulgar. I truly believe any living relative of Monroe should sue the film for defamation.
Funny that the very people who claim to be trying to make the gross film just to bring awareness to women's struggles didn't even have enough respect for their "star" Ana that they simply treated her like an insignificant and didn't let her finish her speech right when she had something important to say. The Bible says you will know them by their fruits. The spirit of this film is to exploit monroe further. Not bring awareness to women's struggles. Otherwise they would have treated Ana better. Pay attention to the little things. They matter.
She deserves the part… Ana de armas is not the victim here she accepted to “play” Marilyn Monroe. Now let her win the prize 🏴☠️
Sounds like the movie is just not for you. I think it was brilliant, and I left with a great sense of empathy and interest in the figure behind the dreamy veil Andrew Dominik put up here. It was as brutal as it was romantic, all the while carrying a very human core.
The movie is a lie
@@kilianbelahcene1712 It's called fiction. But I guess the movie could have pointed that out in a way (like the book did).
I find it funny that everyone who critiques the film can only come up with arguments such as "it's offensive" or "it's misogynistic", when people who appreciate the film can actually point out excellent features such as the beautiful cinematography, great acting and haunting (and important) message. Typical.
"What a stupid way to approach a film. Basing it on images." Man, this guys knows so little about the craft of filmmaking that it feels painful to watch.
My final opinion: if the movie is about someone who was going to kill themselves, we needed the Marilyn Monroe of reasons why they would do that. You had 3 hours to establish an argument and still left an explanatory gap as to why.
In The Hours, Virginia kills herself heavily implied because of the hurt and disarray she was causing her loved ones. The Marilyn Monroe transformation of this kind of reasoning would be... let me think...
Racing thoughts down trajectories that haunt her
Falling to a puddle of a person that couldnt elate or emote if they tried, like Dunst in Melancholia (like disconnect between thoughts and their ability to elicit an emotional reaction)
Her meeting talents and intellectuals that paralleled her own and seemed to also have everything she's ever wanted but could never have
Her hair falling out or emergency surgery that left a bunch of jarring scars or texturing/ coloration
Or even her just mf liking the color of the pills and experiencing to see if the color of them made the experience of swallowing them one by one feel any different (this is me really digging deep into the Sexy born yesterday trope) bc she really dgaf and was just bored and continued her spiritual exploration down into dangerous terrain... just because she needed a distraction and some escapism
Okay, now I'm getting mad that they didn't propose a reason as to why beside "cruel intentions of men." Dominick def stroking himself off here in the possible interpretation that he's only kind because he thinks his male cruelty could be oh that so powerful. Please
MARILYN MONROE WAS MURDERED. SHE DIDN'T COMMITT SUICIDE.
A movie about someone who is going to kill themselves... Slumberland?
I can't say the movie was bad...because it was good.
But, can definitely say the transitions and connective tissue was weak, and the overall POV was too busy going for "rivotting" and fan service (literally Frankenstein cuts from other successful Netflix series), to note when the main star, her philosophy, was crowded halfway out the shot.
And read: not Mariyln's fans' fan service. Netflix's fans' fan service.
This movie could have been so much more. It’s a real shame.
I have not watched the movie yet. However, I feel that if a man who has watched it moves on with his life and indulges in pornographic material, gentlemen clubs, adulterous affairs, or using his imagination to please himself; then, he has missed the point of female sexual exploitation and observing the dignity of women.
Blonde is suppose to show her tramma in pain.
I thought of it as entries in her diary.
Even the way it was filmed.
Sporadic and very dark.
Something you would write in the diary.
Thing is, Marilyn actually DID keep a diary. There is a few films that go into it and feature real life recordings of her telling her OWN story. That's where the issue lies for me. Making money off what someone else thinks of her experience rather than leaving that to her is wrong.
Guys, it is 2022...we cant make challenging films anymore...
Yes we can, but let's do it without exploiting a real person
@@mimimimz6719 How can u exploit a dead person...
@@igorbuttos9044
Try thinking about your question as much as you did about the movie and the comment you wrote
@@mimimimz6719 SHE died 60 years ago...too soon?
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Pointless and a waste of time. Bye
One of the worst Movies I've watched should have been called The Suffering of Marylin Monroe, so distasteful and digrading
People nowadays are childish. It’s almost like we are regressing as a society. People want a fairytale. They’ve never been through shit. They’re sensitive and pampered. I think this film masterfully highlights MM’s tragic life. Because yes, it was tragic. You can have another film that’s a basic corny biopic, but this film really makes you think about the traumas she endured and the effect they had in her life and the way she was treated as a dumb sex object when she was actually very intellectual and wanted to take her acting further and deeper. The film portrayed that MM very well yet showed how misogyny and abuse held her back. And she didn’t always make the best choices either. She was a flawed human. I’ve had her signature tattooed on my arm for years, I’m a huge fan and have read everything about her, love all her films and I support this film. It was beautifully done.
The movie is BRILLLIANT, the majority of negative comments in this thread was made by sycophantic children who didn't see the movie, or didn't understand what they were watching if they did see the movie. Children are MORONS
I thought it was brilliant. It was art in motion. It details the truths about what women do go through and especially what women had to go through back when Marilyn was coming up in Hollywood. I loved all the shots I thought it was great! I thought I wasn't going to like it. But I love it. I hope it stays number one on Netflix!
I didn't want your opinion
I wanted to hear what you posted
Fraggle
Let's be straight up here- yall trying to get Monica Lewinsky to finally {redacted}, this had nothing to do with Marilyn lol
Hi Graeme. I disagree strongly with your take on the film. I was diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, the same syndrome Marilyn suffered from. I agree that there are other positives to her life rather than these BPD symptoms. However, the film represents the symptoms with great accuracy. 10% of people with BPD succeed in killing themselves (many more try.) Dr. Peter Fonagy, a specialist in this area, said he thinks BPD is the most painful psychological syndrome a person can have. BPD often feels pervasively torturous, and the film captured that in my opinion.
the notes from her psychiatrist were leaked and he never diagnosed her with BPD, he said she was depressed and still experienced the effects of her childhood trauma (being abandoned and abused), he said in those documents that she was acting out because of said trauma which often made her gravitate towards the wrong type of people
@@gracieloufreebush4899 I see. BPD is often (still - decades later) mistaken for depression, trauma, bipolar, etc. (Comorbidities are also common with BPD.) I think it’s widely accepted that whether or not she was diagnosed, she met almost all 9 BPD criteria.
How do you feel if I not only told your story without your permission or involvement and put my own spin on it, made money off it and trashed you in interviews. If I gave people a completely false idea of who you are , you'd be fine with that?
I agree .. l loved the film!
Half way done and I'm done.
I enjoyed the film. It’s a “fictionalised” version of her life. It explores the trauma of someone by actually traumatising the audience. (And I’m not easily traumatised by movies). Lots of real events are toyed with to emphasise her trauma and emotion. It’s not about the events themselves. And it’s not about her career either. it’s the toll of being the lust of the world. The guy for sure succeeded
As a woman and an fan, I feel it portrays very well her struggles.
The backlash is the only voice of Marilyn Monroe echoing from the abyss of a trashy art film. Director Andrew Dominik said it is a film about a woman killing herself. Did he do any research besides piling up images of Marilyn and copying them into a pastiche of an exaggerated horror movie? Netflix can make money off it in the beginning, but this flop of a flick deserves every notch of its NC-17 rating. Ana de Armas should have researched her character and stepped off from the project. Her talent wasted on depicting rampant male fantasy sexual abuse. Just no!
I WAS JUST LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO PUT MY COMMENTS
This short sided review is actually what’s irresponsible.
By the way, the abortion sceneS weren't poignant, they were anatomical.
Marilyn must be turning in her grave. I haven't even watched this movie but I have read enough about it to know that it's undeniably disrespectful to her to exploit her in this way. Knowing what The Academy is like, Blonde will at least have nominations but if there's any justice in the world, it will just be forgotten about. The real Marilyn Monroe deserved better and I'm truly sorry that people thought it was appropriate to tarnish her legacy and memory for the sake of a gross, distasteful, deceptive film on Netflix.
Agree with you, it's bad. N17 rating is appropriate. I'm surprised Netflix picked it up at all.
Its just was a dark yet boring movie, probably not how Marilyn Monroe would like to be portrayed. Very one dimensional.
Y’all talkin like y’all really knew her more than half y’all wasn’t even born so how tf y’all know how happy or sad she was
also it was a weird pro life propaganda and made her whole reason to live is for men either her lovers who she calls daddy or her actual dad when she had her miscarriages the film blamed it on her or it was some punishment because of the first abortion this movie was disgusting
NO it's wasn't a pro life propaganda film. I am pro choice and it was a pro life film.
You are obviously too young to grasp the metaphors, symbolism and gravitas that was rampant throughout the movie. Norma had two husbands, there were muliple lovers that I am aware of. She NEVER had an abortion in real life.either.
This movie was meant to represent how Hollywood creates a "product" that the masses then consume, and how that type of treatment, meant that Norma Jean had no agency to 'self actualize' to a level where she was fully happy.
@@SnarkierThan-U-R age has nothing to do with it and ur first sentence seems to agree with me. We knew the dehumanization of marylin most ppl assumed it would show how complex and deep she actually was and her relationships with women around her.this was a fictional 2 dimensional story. And age doesn't imply you have critical thinking or intelligence. The director is a perv
Watching Adrian Brody talk is super alarming - how can someone so arrogant and aloof know so little?
The arrogance of Dominik is the problem of so many of these insensitives, of which we've had enough... and we will not accept it. Like VOTERS, We the AUDIENCE are your voters, Dom... The audience makes your career Dominik, so you have abused the hands that feed you! So see you in the unemployment line.
Disgusting film. Notorious for it's perverse and sadistic unsympathetic nature. What a waste
Thanks for this astute spot on analysis! Got yourself a new subscriber.
This film makes me angry even though I haven't seen it. Maybe it's because I just finished an excellent bio of MM by Donald Spoto which is all the things this film obviously isn't. MM as portrayed by Spoto, is complex,self-knowing,has great business savvy and aspires and does all she can to be a great actress. He also concludes,as I do, that it was most probably an accidental overdose rather than a suicide as is widely held.
Seeing as it is the only conclusion that is actually evidenced looking at for example, her optimistic life circumstances at the time. Her unethical awful drug feeding drs she had around her like Dr. Ralph Greenson (and what is so tragic, who she was finally making a break from). The autopsy report and conclusion by coroner Dr. Thomas Noguchi etc). So any film with that has suicide as it's accepted fact is already very flawed to begin with.
To so casually use the image of a human being that so many people admire and respect and inspired is reckless and opportunistic at best, and downright manipulative, misogynistic, ableist and toxic at worst. So yeah I agree for shame Andrew Dominik for shame!!
And what a dick this guy is, probably revels in being some 'infant terrible' or 'provocateur'. Like piss off, you're just an over confident, entitled white man who has obviously got spoilt, coddled and humoured for way too long.
Maybe someone should make a film about him, using his 'images' as inspiration, and talking about what a talentless narcissistic chauvinist he is and see how he likes it.
It's based on a fictional book written by a woman. I went into watching this film knowing that. So I don't get all the negativity.
Bad take mate. The film never implies that what happens to her is her own fault. The director is very proficient and has clear intent. You might not like what he does, and that is ok. Not every film is made for you.
Cool off.
i hate each and every person who made this movie. who was in it who knew what was going on and let this trash out. you can't do that to a real person. what i she was alive? just because she's dead everyone has rights to walk all over her?wasn't it enough what they made her go through when she was alive? let the woman rest in peace
Absurd the way they cut off Ana at the end! 😂 That really says it all- they don’t want to hear from the person who plays Marilyn in the film!!!🤣🤣🤣💯
They always say any publicity is good publicity when you wanna line your pockets with gold. That's Andrew Dominick's only care, his pockets are now lined with gold and he's happy about it.
This director gives incel vibes...
Netflix's cuties: first time?
Okay, now I watch the rest of Graemes video
Didn't watch Spencer
Like the still image approach
Ope, well, "the movie is about a person who is going to kill themself"
Definitely got that from my preception.
But to be frank, we needed it to be done as artfully as Marilyn performed herself. The Hours was in that same category but they didn't make it all bullies and oppression. It was tasteful
People honestly respect and revere Marilyn Monroe's work (and intentions) 3 to 5 magnitudes more than rocket scientists ans doctors... please note, I couldn't even say 2 times more, nor cap it at just 4 times more.
And you decide to put mainly men (and cheap bar alcoholic looking men) not only on the same level as her, but to the forefront of movie about her?
And say oh the problem is yall trying to rescue her????????????
How is this difference from Elvis? Both movies are interpretations of reality. No one can tell the story as it really was as a lot happened behind close doors. Just take a chill pill.
The movie was amazing
She deserves for us to understand why her life ended as it did. The movie did that. It reaches our sensitivity because it is wanting to do that
But most of the things showed were not even true. How can you know why anyone did anything if you don't have the facts
@@mimimimz6719 also it was a weird pro life propaganda and made her whole reason to live is for men either her lovers who she calls daddy or her actual dad when she had her miscarriages the film blamed it on her or it was some punishment because of the first abortion this movie was disgusting
@@sadiejenkins8986 I agree with you. The movie is a complete failure on so many levels.
@@mimimimz6719 and she was unnecessary half naked the whole time the director was fetishizing the actress hope she's ok
I did no like this movie at all, I found it very insulting not only for Marilyn Monroe as a person, as an artist who happened to have a difficult family life as a lot of people do, but for all women whose life was determined by the limitations that society enforced on their rights. Ana de armas did a great job as an actor, but this film was not worthy of her talent.
I don’t see where marylin was portrayed in the film as being guilty for how she was treated. The film highlighted the grossness of her abusers, not how she was responsible for it. I didn’t see the hate of the director towards marylin.it was unilateral, in terms of the fact that only marylin’s trauma was shown, but that was the material it was based, that’s the book, and yes i think that is the problem, that we do not see more of her other sides. but, if you only see it as a fragment of what marilyn is/was, then it is beautiful. also, the film doesn’t purport to be the whole truth of who marylin is. that is only how people choose to see it. because they do not understand the convention of fiction, they see a bio and expect absolute reporting of truth. but in fat, they do not want even that, they want it to be warm and fuzzy and politically correct, even if that means censoring/altering truth. people are not offended that the film disrespects marylin, people are offended that it shows uncomfortable moments, and depicts the vulnerability -a perfectly legit vulnerability, given her life - of a woman, and women are supposed to not be portrayed as vulnerable or abused, because that’s not to be condoned, disregarding the fact that showing unflinchingly scenes of abuse does not mean condoning it, it means exposing it for what it is. moreover, no person ever, alive or dead, can be truly known by anyone, perhaps with the exception of their loved ones. in any case, they can’t be known from narratives told to the large public on screen. films about public people are always a fragment of what might have been. they always tailor reality to serve a story. it’s fiction. get used to it. at least this film sought formal beauty. spencer is completely off the rails and kind of ridiculous in terms of the linking between ann boleyn and diana and of diana seeing ann boleyn. but that movie too, had good parts. the weaponization of food, her being abused by an unflinching institution-like family, the visuals and the music used in the film.
This movie is ugly, it's gross it's just damn ugly
You didn't even watch the movie
Its based off of a feminist surrealist novel using her as a metaphor. Do more research because joyce carol oates wrote a wonderful 1000pg exploration of society. Not a biopic