We were informed SZA shared the post in question without the context of the Kanye texts, intending it to reflect her own struggles in the industry. As such, we've cut mentions of her from the video and discourage negativity thrown her way on this matter. We don't encourage that shit anyway, but should be said.
It's quite fascinating how many people read Steve Jobs' biography and decided that being an asshole was the way to go. Too many people romanticise the idea of suffering for glory or worse, making OTHER people suffer for YOUR glory.
Yea, she is literally POC...how out of touch can you be - okay, then go sew us some jeans in a clothing factory until you pass out so we can have "greatness". How does she even come up with a comparison like that ?! I- ...
You know there are deadlines, right? You have to release a product on time and it has to be good to meet expectations, sell and make profits so that a company or a person has resources to create more, meaning that somebody has to make a sacrifice in order to achieve that. This is literally how life works
@@beigegecko and who imposed those deadlines?? aren't those deadlines put in place because artists KNOW they can get away with this behavior, because they KNOW everyone else is doing it? Album releases take time, there's months many times years of time and effort gone into their conception.. are you telling me they couldn't accommodate for a little more time for the well being of their sound engineers? It's more to do with studio rental costs, and squeezing out their work force because they're not unionized. It's very similar to the 'crunch' game programmers experience, because of a similar lack of unionization.
There's nothing wrong with hard work but this delusion that success REQUIRES you and those around you to endure unbelievable suffering has to end. I can guarantee that three healthy 8 or 10 hour work days would be more productive for musicians (and other workers) than staying up for 30 hours straight.
As a musician I can tell you that I have to force myself to take breaks because I literally make my music worse at a certain point of exhaustion. When you’re mixing the same song all day it’s like when you say a word so many times that it just sounds like a noise. You need to take a break to refresh your ears and come back later or you’ll start making dumb decisions that will sound bad later when you’re in your right mind. We need to normalize letting people take breaks because not only is it morally right but it will make your work better in the long run.
That's true. If anything requires you to be creative, then trying to push yourself until exhaustion will only make your work worse. There's been tonnes of studies showing this, I don't get why people feel the need to do it. I partly blame the whole 'grind' culture where gurus lie about working for 18 hours a day and make you feel like a pussy for not lol
This fetishizing of exhaustion and long hours is related to the idea that drugs make great and interesting art (it's pretty unlikely anyone is working 36 hours without something stronger than caffeine). It's this idea that you need to get into some altered state. If there is benefits from being in altered state, it is generating the first draft of whatever art you are creating. The hard work is always in the editing and finishing the art. That requires focus.
Jesus Christ SZA really thinks humans are somehow incapable of making a shoe without factories of people working themselves to death?! And a lot of amazing albums and music with "off the grid" quality artistry have been made under non-abusive conditions. Just how low is her bar.
I unfortunately follow SZA on Instagram and almost every one of her story posts have to do with some type of victimizing of a group of people that are in no way victims. SZA is literally the type of person to post about endangered elephants yet absolutely do fucking nothing about it.. as well as the things she pretends to fight for and yet have no type of action to account for it 😂😂🥴 No wonder TDE is falling apart
@Bronsexual Police Department Kendrick had slip ups too, remember that one time he got a white girl to rap m.A.A.D City out of all his songs on stage and then berated her in front of thousands for using the n-word ? Hopefully it was a one time thing because I've seen him be cool with entire crowds of white people rapping it without giving a fuck.
I mean, it's a bullshit point about art but regarding shoes and clothes in general, from a utility standpoint, there's a reason we get so many goods from China. It's kind of true that civilisation has always relied on essentially slave labor. The problem isn't that she pointed that out, the problem is that she implied it was justified.
I don't wanna hear any social commentary from artists like this if they can't even treat their own colleagues like human beings. Especially that Sevdaliza/SZA post, which is essentially gaslighting people into thinking that working under exploitative and overwhelming conditions is just part of "off the grid quality" whatever tf that means
Working more than 10 hours a day is unsustainable, hell I'd even say 8 hours is already the limit, I fucking hate hustle/grind culture, even if I work in something I love and I am passionate about I shouldn't be expected to work overtime, if I do it, good. If I don't, good.
@@berni1011 the average white collar worker is only productive 2-4 hours per day. No one needs to work more than that, regardless of field. There's no need for society to be this way, except that evil won
So when an artist is burnt out, they get support from fans & family, vacations, the world going against the industry for stress and everything in between but people working for that artist going through the same is a worthy sacrifice.
Engineers really need to unionise , fuck working more than the contract and getting fired for not overworking yourself, even if you work in somethinf you love you shouldn't be expected to work over time, and if you do it should be damn well paid by the hour and with a max limit per week.
People like the artists, they don’t like the labels, and people ascribe all quality to the name on the music, so they don’t know the producers. So there’s your reason
Kinda expected kanye's behavior. Also, we don't know what's more. However, what freaked me out the most was SZA's thought process. She's acting like she's a general of the whole army and the sacrifice has to be made under her decision. While I am fond of the stupidity to say such dumb things on social media, gotta watch fragging, girl.
The fucked up part is that she benefits the most from that. In 20 years no one but her will get credit for her work. Its HER name on the product, not any of the people she drove into the ground. That's what's fucked up about it and they're only willing to say it out loud here because its for art rather than some shit like retail
People need to stop fetishizing working for their heroes. They do the same thing with Elon and in the gaming industry, they’ll subject themselves to total indignities, humiliation, and forced labour under the illusion that they’re getting to work with a genius and that therefore it’ll all be worth it. That somehow this bad experience will look good on their resume. If you’re going to overextend yourself for a dream, make it your own dream, don’t kill yourself for these lunatics. That’s just the way I feel about it.
Music industry is built off of so many talented people then 5 of those people get labeled genius for the work of hundreds. I’m over it. Fucking loonies…you hit the nail on the head
Right people are stemming their justification for this shit as "oh you have to drop everything for kanye" like no legend or not, hes just a questionable guy. I wish people had the self respect to not sacrifice themselves for him, they're worth so much more.
You sound extremely entitled. That's great that you don't believe in working hard for opportunities to make a career for yourself. I'm sure that mindset has led you to live a very successful life working minimum wage and having these 100 likes be the most attention you've ever received.
because we expect this from kanye at this point. dude brought out serial-rapist marilyn manson out on stage to chill with him for a donda listening party
What's beautiful is that these "artists" cry and whine when the labels take 50% of their profits when the "artists" are doing all the work. Then they turn around and expect unpaid/underpayed engineers and mixers to just kill themselves in the name of their art. It's all the same, everyone is out for themselves
Everyone’s talking about Kanye and his “go find god” comment…meanwhile I’m over here freaking tf out about SZA, that’s such a disturbing thought process
"Hey man, these shoes? Kids were enslaved to make these shoes. Isn't that awesome?! You gotta make sacrifices to make people happy (specifically me, a rich famous person!)"
@@menelikiii5004 there’s a youtube video that shines light on sza lying about the smallest things about herself and her life. i watched it recently and it was kind of funny tbh but i’m pretty sure that’s what the original comment was referencing
this is a great comparison honestly. they seem so out of touch with reality that they can’t even recognize what they’re implying /or/ simply can’t comprehend how terrible it is.
Way to kill your reputation with a stupid retweet. Dont these ppl have PR Teams ? Neither of them is "extremely" successful - and they still have an inflated ego like that, who are they to talk ? Sad.
@@m00nrac00n Honestly I feel like "If kids had to be enslaved to make my shoes then I want those kids to be enslaved" is a pretty common sentiment (especially seeing this comment section, holy shit)
@@jasper3706 Yea, very that. I'd like to see them make those "shoes" themselves by producing on their own while being under constant pressure. The production literally makes the music possible - Lets be real, Sevdaliza's music without production would just be a woman saying random phrases in a middle eastern accent. Also: Two POC artists using slavery argumentation... Makes me lose hope and braincells.
You have to "sacrifice" to get a good product. absolutely agree. YOU, the artist, need to sacrifice for YOUR product. That means if you can't do it yourself YOU have to sacrifice YOUR cash to get someone else to do it. If they can't do it in within your unreasonable time frame YOU have to sacrifice YOUR deadlines. They are not the artist, YOU are and they do not have the passion for the project YOU do. You are the only one who should be sacrificing anything and not forcing others to do the sacrificing for you.
Eeeyup. But the gospel of work ethic is like the word of God, in that it's been passed through so many hands and misinterpreted for so many wrong reasons that we now have people like SZA dropping rancid takes like this unironically. Busting your ass for your own goals, that's noble. Busting your ass for someone else's profit and ego while you make pennies on the dollar, and you're treated like gum on the bottom of their shoe? That's exploitation.
Fwd from another text: I found God guys! Yesterday after replying to replies of replies, I got jittery, lost my sight and then fainted to the ground. UA-cam came and all but I'm told i fought not to have my comments deleted lol Anyway I'm back. Getting ready now
as a working producer I can assure you that nothing good comes from a 33 hour work session. This isn't like making same thing over and over, you are required to constantly think and come up with ideas, test them and decide wheter they work or not. there are some processes which are pretty tedious, like editing and stuff like that, but even then, your best results will be the ones that you've tried, checked and approved rationally. Mixing, production and other processes are forms of art just as much as the music itself, so crunching just makes the result worse
Just my two nickels in this thing right?: The video game industry is going through this EXACT thing right now and while people are co-signing Kayne and his bs, people are not some expendable resource. Have you ever heard about the horror stories of crunch? Developers and staff working till they can't anymore and then have their jobs threatened? It's not okay. The fact that we eat up all of these products and only care when it makes news is not okay. It's amazing how some people at the top are so disconnected when they're constantly in and out of rehab for similar shit. No empathy for the little guy ya know? It's whatever though, most people aren't even ready for that conversation
THANK YOU!!! Dense motherfuckers in the comments really trying to defend this shit. As if just because it's an "opportunity" Kanye or any other celeb can just treat any kind of way.
But Kanye is staying up with them... Kanye is not a game company that hires people and then himself goes to bed, Kanye is known for sleeping like 2 hours, also this was only during the Mercedes Benz renting out listening party 1 month to finish the album type thing.
Where in nature do you see empathy? The fact that you have a phone with WiFi puts you at an advantage over billions of people. Where’s your empathy for them? Give someone your phone since you can buy another. It’s a strange thing to want empathy from others even when our own circle of empathy is tiny.
Many producers and mixing engineers I know agree that even 1 hour straight is more than enough because your ears get used to the problems with the mix... 33 hours makes the music come out worse not just because of your own deteriorating health but because of the deterioration of your ears
No one is mad if Kanye wants to lock himself in his room and make 5 beats a day and “dig his own grave to feel alive” the problem is he is standing over a slew of people yelling “dig, motherfuckers! Dig or get lost!” Which is a different thing. You’re not one of the kid’s in Holes, SZA, you’re the warden.
@@PaoloState Really now? After shouting at Chance in the studio, not paying to the Church Sunday Service, and being an egotistical asshole to most people he knows, he won't force engineers to crunch? LMAO
Its so dishearting to see when POC celebrities forget their roots because of success and act all high and mighty "I made it cuz I worked hard - so you have to aswell, no excuses." such bs.
@@rickeybernard8156 If you think this divide is because of heritage youre gonna be sadly disappointed plenty of African Americans, who buy into this rhetoric.
Fun fact: Da Vinci never really finished mona lisa. It was one of his late-life labors in which he was already a known and wealthy artist of italy. He spent the time he needed, the resources he needed, and even though he never reached the end of the line, it's still one of the greatest pieces of all history. For all inspiring artist ou there, take your time and don't starve. Respect yourselves and things will come out clearly.
Most of Kanye's music had a team of writers that didn't get credit I'm a fan of his but he, like most rappers at the level he was at, make pop music to sell...not to educate or speak real truth
It takes a lot for me to actually stop listening to an artist due to who they are, but just what Sza said, the fact that her art is potentially slave driving the workers behind the scenes, and her whole attitude is "well its a sacrifice for my art" and it feeds her ego. I just don't think I could listen to her after that.
I’m in the same boat… but don’t worry! At this pace we won’t ever hear another SZA song Bc she dropped like three singles then just went back to radio silence
@@cliiiiiq8787 Fr! Like everyone in the comments rn just went straigh to the comment section and collectively decide that SZA was the one who wrote it rather than actually listening to the video. So weird man
Melon, you're videoes have been really good lately, you seem very happy and if you ever read this I just wanted you to know that you're videoes are a bright spot in a lot of people's days
We’ve romanticized this idea that if you work hard, agonizing, hours, it’ll all be worth it in the end and you’ll be making dough. Except it’s largely bullshit and all you’re really is making the guy above you richer.
Nope working hard is worth it in the end. Certainly not in your McDonald’s minimum job. But whether you work hard let it be sports or music or anything it does payoff. An elite work ethic always bests talent or intelligence.
@@hecticbeatzz5628 like Nah? Because what constitutes as "working hard?" Let me put it this way: there's--how many?--like a thousand players in the NFL, out of millions of others who are hoping to play at a pro-level. Are we sayin that those people who don't make "just didn't work hard enough?" Of course not. There's no guarantee that if you do back-breaking work that you'll be rewarded with wealth and success. Because the numbers are against you from the start. Especially in sports where luck and genetics are just as important as hard work The point is "not" people should not work hard, it's that we've perverse the meaning of hard work to justify working long hours for low pay and for rich people to exploit the poor with promises and fairy tales. And with more and more studies showing the dangers of overwork, there's no real reason to abide by that any more. If it's something that makes you happy, then do what you can while also minding your mental health. But if it's for the sake of some suit than nah? You shouldn't be doing hard work for the sake of someone else's vision. treat a 9-5 like a 9-5...you do the work that you're contracted for, and that's it. Unless they're going to pay you more, there's no reason not to be mercenary about it.
As an aside..knowing that a large number of wealthy people made it not because "they worked hard" but because they either came from wealthy family, had strong connections, or just was at the right place at the right time, puts a hard damper on our societies obsession with work. Add that studies show that while people are working longer hours, that it'snot translating to higher pay, and only recently have seen a slight uptick among the middle class. But I can go into a whole thing of how choices stemming way back to Reagan has purposelly made it so that people's wealth was not increasing at the degree of business owners like it was post WW2
"The guy being two hours late, I'm not feeling too sympathetic" Anthony then proceeds to explain how working long hours and not getting rest can have a detrimental effect on your health and ability to give your best work. I guess what I'm saying is, dude probably really needed that sleep.
Fr people are not putting the two text together if a guy in a similar position worked till he fainted then that guy probably did an ungodly shift too and not waking up at 7:30 makes sense
Yeah, my theory is that he straight up just slept through 3 and a half hours of his alarm ringing. When you’re absolutely exhausted, your body sometimes just refuses to wake up until you’ve had that sleep.
I’ve never even thought about how stressful it must be to know a celebrity can decide to fire you whenever they want, I’m not even just talking about the Kanye situation but also engineers that work for even less experienced or mature artists, the person in charge is more determined by fame than experience managing people
I guess, but at the same time it’s like you kind of have to know what you are getting yourself into Some people just work excessive and long hours, and on top of that working with someone thats kind of just an A tier producer At the end of the day, I mean at least maybe Kanye let them come back after finding god which more than I can say for some jobs that just let you go
Thats jusg america tho. In Europe your boss has to let u know 2-3 months in advance ghat you're getring fired so you have time to fi d a new job in the meanwhile. Getting fired on spot is illegal. And if the boss decides to fire you he has to go throuvh a lot of paperwork bullshit to justify his decision
i love how the first two replies are telling you to chill and the other two are saying “based”… and it’s those last replies that have more fucking likes lmao
People who complain abt the first guy probably never slept 2-3 hours a day for weeks. When you sleep that little, NO amount of alarms and shouting will wake you up and get you going. Your body after a threshold cannot work anymore and NEEDS that sleep, your body cares more abt having sleep and being able to keep going than made-up job schedules
Literally just hire another engineer or studio tech or two or 5 or how many ever you need and rotate them out. Why would anyone even want someone in the studio with fatigued ears trying to mix or record you’r album
This is true but it's also true that 10 people mixing the same thing can have disastrous results. It's not like you can just swap out 1 producer for another or 1 mixing engineer for another, you'll definitely get varied results and at best it's going to be a very complicated process where they'd know how to work with eachother very well.
"...the guy being two hours late after 9am, I'm not feeling too sympathetic..." 2:48 Dude. Shit happens. If the guy has by no means made a habit out of it and he's clearly super repentful about it, axe'ing him is far too harsh. Call me a bleeding heart but everyone makes mistakes, and we're all human. It's Ye's call for sure, but as an assistant manager with my own small band of people it feels intensely out of line from my own perspective.
Gotta agree. Ppl slip up, and it seemed like a first time mistake, which means you can write them up or the equivalent of that, but not really grounds for firing someone imo
The sad thing about that accident is the actual victim wasn't compensated if I remember correctly. Leaving the man without broken legs and a totalled car while unable to work
People, especially older people, love glorifying harmful things that happened to them. "Oh I almost died doing this" "I used to get hit much harder than you did". They're incapable of saying "damn, maybe it doesn't have to be like this" they just wear it as a fucked badge of honour. I totally see this happening here too; "I nearly died for my music, you need to do that too or you can get out". Happens in plenty of industries, you better be willing to give up your own health, or they'll find someone who will.
To me it sounds like Knaye is mad because the person was late and a good amount of time went by without any response. I dont know what kind of arrangement they had but If im employing people to help me while under lots of pressure and they are late Id be upset. Yea he comes off insensitive but in the moment he was probably mad.
Nope, it's a completely different world. Competent Software Engineers are headhunted weekly and tech companies know that work/life balance keeps employees around.
Or animators or game designers with "crunch time". Sometimes there's going to be a lot of work when deadlines are comming up but it's not something to be proud of. Overworking your employees doesn't produce better work quality of work. Who tf thinks working 33 hours straight and going blind is going to produce better work than just paying for more employees and giving them more time.
That Sza quote is how you get woman who are forced into uncomfortable sexual situations just to have a career in the first place. They have to "sacrifice" and get off the "grind" to get ahead
Lots of people in this comments section need to consider hiring a dominatrix cause they're giving off serious "I like being abused by people in a position of power over me" energy
Everyone already lowkey being exploited by the government right now tho. Ain't mean to sound corny but Pac said, it ain't about you getting exploited its how long you allow yourself to be. Ye engineers need to check themselves they know how Kanye is, and with SZA and that Sadavelli girl with this post, they should do the same.
This feels parallel to the "crunch" culture of game development. This fierce rush to meet deadlines or put things out quickly coming at the cost of peoples well being will ultimately result in diminishing returns. To rush the process of art is to kill part of the soul that is required to make said art enjoyable. Bands like BTBAM take years between releases because making such dense amazing music requires time and patience to make right. I feel this shows mainstream music has lost the plot and is more focused on music as a commodity rather than a piece of art.
Thank you for being Pro Labor Unions. I know you didn't necessarily say that in your own words. But mentioning the alternative solution along with the treating of people unfairly and trying to normalize tolerating abusive working conditions speaks volumes. I wish more people would talk about Labor Unions in general.
Thanks Anthony for the measured response. There's nothing wrong with working beyond the usual 9 - 5 on a project of this magnitude, but mixing for 30 hours straight is very unlikely to lead to great results. I'm not a world class mix engineer, but in my experience a good night's sleep allows you to come back with fresh ears and make some instant improvements.
That line from SZA about sometimes having to dig your own grave to feel alive is real rich coming from someone who gets to do what they want to do for an occupation and how much is she worth? Must be nice to say that to people who actually have to work their asses off everyday yet for some reason all the wealth keeps going to a tiny minority of the population... Weird 🤐
Jesus fucking Christ can y'all not read that she didn't write that shit! Yes she shared it and obviously agrees to some degree but that other chick wrote that stuff wtf is wrong with yall
The other irony is her talking about hard work when she notoriously never fucking releases music. She’s released a few singles this year to keep her name out there, and even with those she was weirdly mad at fans for asking ‘when’s the album dropping?’ As if it’s weird to expect an album when artists release singles. I’m really getting turned off on her, when I used to love her music
A union would mean that kanye wouldn’t be able to hire people without agreeing to the terms set out by their union. Urgh i wish more engineers could be unionised industry wide.
@@cheekybananaboy3361 Which is why the entire industry needs to unionise. I’m sick of my fellow live and studio engineers being exploited by their employers, their clients, and by artists. How do you think hollywood gets by ? Actors and writers all have unions to get treated fairly by studios.
@@Dropkickclash192 i have no clue how hollywood gets by, i wouldve assumed it was the same situation unfortunately lol. exploitation around every corner.
@@Dropkickclash192 Time for studio engineers to organize under IATSE. They cover most entertainment and have the bargaining power to fight back against the music industry
“It’s easier to rationalize the perversion of it [the messed up state of reality] than work against it” the type of sentence to spark self awareness and change. I used to be so wrong about Mellon
Here are my thoughts on the whole matter. Mainly about the music industry as a whole. For the ugly practices that go on. People need to get paid, flexible hours or a set amount of hours. Good benefits like health and everything in between. Treating the people you work with as people should be the standard. Treating people like machines shouldn't be a standard in any place. If things need to get delayed then fine. Rather have good quality work and no b.s. than forcing people to work to death. If you wanna go that far with work then that is their choice. "Forced Labor" shouldn't happen period. But, this is from my perspective. Logic had an issue where his people weren't getting paid and getting ripped off. So, this isn't the first time we have heard about the ugly side of the industry.
“So, this isn't the first time we have heard about the ugly side of the industry” That’s an understatement and a half. Exploitation like this has been going on for nearly a century.
Anthony, thank you for calling out the BS in the SZA thing. Likening what you put your team through to sweatshop conditions and justifying it by saying it elevates THEIR OWN art is really gross. You’re literally the only person with a big influence who’s called it out, which boggles my mind because it’s literally someone saying it’s okay to subjugate people to misery for your own personal gain/ambition. It was a statement that sounds like it came out of “There Will Be Blood.”
I remember Akon telling the story that Eminem was working on his music for several hours a day, and has since then applied that to himself because he realized that burning yourself out, working in the studio day and night is nonsensical.
The fact that people are defending this behavior is so disturbing to me. The idea that overworking underpaid musicians is a necessity to make good music just reeks of privilege, especially when it comes from people who don’t do half of that work. Do these people not understand how psychopathic they sound? They basically just said “it’s perfectly fine to work people to death in the name of squiggly air”. It doesn’t matter how good the music is, no one deserves this type of abuse. Edit: Because you dumb asses keep bringing this up, no, I am not saying that arriving 3 hours late to work is okay. Of you arrive that late to work, it is a sign that you are irresponsible, I am not denying that. I was referring to the post that SZA put on her instagram story.
I agree with you on the fact that no musician should be over worked but the producer who was late for work did deserve to be fired. It’s cruel but that’s how it is. Although Kanye’s response to find god doesn’t help to defend him
@@RejectYourIdols being two hours late for a Walmart job can get you fired, or at least on probation. I see no problem firing them over that. Sza's message was absolutely disgusting though
"You shall give him his wages on the same day, before the sun sets (for he is poor and counts on it), lest he cry against you to the LORD, and you be guilty of sin." Deuteronomy 24:15
This is like when Prince did his crazy recording sessions: he went on for 48-72 hours at a time and had engineers switching with eachother after they'd done 16 hours each...but at least he knew his people couldn't keep up the same pace
As a working engineer/ producer. This needs to be talked about more in the industry. Getting ripped off can absolutely make your passion feel not worth it. It’s also essential for the engineer and producer to have time for breaks, it allows for a creative break so you can come back with a newer perspective and newer ideas. Grinding them to death only makes the product worse.
It seems like it was produced in Georgia, which, based on a cursory google search, has no limit on hours worked per day. It also apparently has no requirement for employers to provide breaks. So yeah, it's legal, though it absolutely shouldn't be. For context, where I live, a worker legally can't even agree via a contract to work more than 13 hours a day (specifically they require at least 11 hours off work each day) and are required to have at least a 30 minute break for every 5 hours worked.
@@maka5585 In every thread you’re replying “wrong” to every comment that you identify as being one side of debate rather than the other. You’re just sorting posts into two categories and disagreeing (in the most low-effort way imaginable) with everything you’ve put into category A. In the case of this comment there’s no actual criticism of the artists you want to defend, just some info on employment law. But you’ve sorted it into category A so it gets a “wrong” from you. I have no comment on this sort of binary thinking but it might be something you want to reflect on.
One of my favorite stories is that of John Lennon’s vocals on Twist and Shout. The Beatles only ever recorded two takes of that song because the vocal performance was so intense for Lennon that he was barely able to speak for days afterwards and had to drink lots of milk just to sooth the pain. That was Lennon suffering for HIS music on HIS OWN decision. He wasn’t forced to do that, nor did he force anyone else into anything that was painful for them. I admire stories of when so much effort and dedication is put into music and seeing the incredible result. But not when that effort is forced. In my opinion, that is so exactly the opposite of what music should be.
I’m sure the Beatles did their fair share of overworking their vast array of underlings. Like ye, Lennon was a creative genius, but he had more than his share of issues as well. He was a very abusive person most of his life, I’ll say that much.
@@alexblack4145 people often live very different lives professionally and personally. Conflating the two is a dangerous game and just assuming someone must be abusing their coworkers to achieve success.
@@victorpetrescu6586 not saying it’s the reason for his success at all I’m just saying there’s ample footage of Lennon tearing the studio engineers and George Martin and co producing apart so he’s not a good example. I brought up the abuse in his personal life just to further the point of this being a stupid ass comparison
Btw I’m a massive fan of the fabs and ye but my point is it would be more appropriate to liken the two than to put Lennon on pedestal in this situation
if the people working on an album feel stressed, bullied, humiliated, forced into unbearable hours of labor by the 'star', it will show on the album, no matter how much good material may be there, something will be off and listeners will sense it.
Which is exactly what happened. Overbloated and messy. And honestly I dont blame them. They did the damm thing on the tracks that were great. No shade to them.
At first I didn't feel toooo bad about the dude who woke up at 11am, but after seeing the second pic, I wonder what time he actually went to sleep at. Prolly 2 hours late and still only got like 6 hours of sleep lol
It's like crunching in the vid game industry. A lot of amazing games involved crunch in their development process, and a lot of insanely embarrassing failures were also a product of crunch. The difference is: good games can come from extra work by people who are willing to do it because they're proud of what they're making and want it to be as good as it can be. Crunch is a nightmare when it falls on devs who are forced to pull heaps upon heaps of overtime when they're dying on the inside and just want to rest and see their families. Good things don't EVER come from people who are unhappy and unmotivated.
I still don't like crunch because at the end of the day, however invested in a game a dev might be it is not the focal point of their lives, it's their job. Also usually it's not a question of if they're willing to do crunch it's more a question of if they want to keep their job
I would disagree, that a lot of games "required" crunch. Because if you dig deeper, you will find out, that often enough crunch is a product of wrong decissions or even mismanagement.
These games didn't "REQUIRE" crunch, they just had crunch. Some fantastic beautiful games (hell, my GOTY last year and my GOTY 2018 both had) have had crunch before, but that shit wasn't required lol
Not that I'm condoning strenous overwork in either industry, but what I find unsettling about it coming from Kanye is that he's at a point in his career where he can comfortably take as much time as he wants to release an album. There's no reason he should be beholden to a studio's deadlines to determine when it needs to get done, so why the need to have people working grueling hours? I understand the excitement to get a project done but still
SZA acting like Kanye had NO choice in recording/releasing his album the way he did. All that drama he stirs up by having his releases be so hectic and unpredictable is just marketing, it has nothing to do with the artistic statements he's making. SZA should know its possible to have a quality and successful album that was worked on over a reasonable amount of time, its absurd. Kanye just knows he has that kind of power over people so he can bend and twist them to whatever end he wants to 'shock the world' with. Get real
Somewhere right now is a McDonalds manager that takes his or her job waaaaaay too seriously and is adopting this mindset right now to push their employees to make the best burgers they can make and to fix the damn McFlurry machine.
If they can’t handle it they should just go home. These people are professionals and they know what they sign up for. They get paid for the time they work on the music. They don’t have a gun to their head
Nah, Kanye is legitimately bipolar and doesn't take his meds. There's definitely a strong argument that Kanye's overall state of mind apparently declining has also hurt the consistency of his work. Don't perpetuate this myth of ignoring one's mental health in order to ostensibly achieve "greatness."
Nooooo, have dare you say that, we all know that RAPPERS and SINGERS are the only ones to be praised, Producers/Instrumentalists/Mixers/Engineers, lol who are those losers. Pffft it's not like they make the song actually good, rappers and singers do all the work.
@@sheriffaboubakar9720 you can have a shit producer and mixer, but they will bring the whole thing down i. e. Instrumental and the vocalist, it will make every vocalist sound bad
“Off the grid level artistry” LOL I mean I like the song but she’s acting like it’s an unparalleled legendary masterpiece and not a pretty good song that came out a week ago. Has she ever heard music not made by a celebrity? There are a lot of underground artists making just as good if not better art without working anyone to death.
I'd even make the simpler point that working yourself to death on a piece of art is not a guarantee of quality so why do it? Like Donda has gotten pretty middling to poor reviews despite all this insane level of labour that went into it so what was the point? It doesn't need to happen but people do it anyway.
My two cents? If the first guy was also working ~33 hours over and over, his body forced him to oversleep. There's only so much crunch the human body is going to accept until it straight up says "nope" to a ringing alarm or texts from the boss. Clocking hours like that, I'd sleep at the office. That way someone needs me, they can nudge me awake. No being late.
But just to be clear, sleeping at the office sucks. The two texts presented side by side seemed to me to indicate that both people had similar cause for their misfortunes: inhuman hours. How stressful that must be when the person you’re working for is not only hyper-powerful, but is utterly inflexible and unseeing. Also, did we just all collectively forget that Kanye missed his deadlines several times, and by like more than a year? Kanye screwed up time and time again by failing to gauge how finished the songs on his album(s) were and jumping the gun with habitual false release dates. Because of this, his fans became accustomed to disappointment. And now what we’re seeing here are examples of people under his employment who got put into highly uncomfortable working conditions and suffered due to his own unprofessionalism.
@@ColterHarris what do you mean time and time again. Kanye only missed 2 release dates for Donda. One last year and the one on the day of the second listening party
Also id like to add that while 930 seems like a reasonable time to be up for a job or whatever there were a lot of whisperings about kanyes whole camp being kept on crazy hours. Who knows when that guy got to go to sleep the night prior bc he was probably working on the album. Idk
We were informed SZA shared the post in question without the context of the Kanye texts, intending it to reflect her own struggles in the industry. As such, we've cut mentions of her from the video and discourage negativity thrown her way on this matter. We don't encourage that shit anyway, but should be said.
Nice, that’s very good to know 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Thank you
that's a huge relief
👍
Thought SZA was based. Too bad
Anthony’s reviews are able to come out so fast because he keeps his editors locked in cages.
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LETS GET THIS SHIT
Obama moment
No cap
Don’t kink-shame him.
Sevdaliza’s whole post is basically like:
“Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.”
On God
not sza, sevdaliza, sza just liked it. but still L take, L human beings
Literal cartoon villain shit and they don't even realize it.
that is correct. if you have ever done something meaningful you would understand. the album still sucks ass but thats not the point
same argument the americans made to fight in wwII btw
It's quite fascinating how many people read Steve Jobs' biography and decided that being an asshole was the way to go. Too many people romanticise the idea of suffering for glory or worse, making OTHER people suffer for YOUR glory.
We'd be living in the stone age if we didn't.
@@maka5585 You know that's not true.
@@Amquacktador you wouldnt be typing that, and we wouldnt be talking right now if it wasnt true
@@maka5585 To say Stone Age is hyperbolic
@@Jonashlvrsn Obviously
SZA be like "slaves made your Jordans but that's alright because they're fly"
The fucking irony of 🖤 defending slavery is hilarious
Yea, she is literally POC...how out of touch can you be - okay, then go sew us some jeans in a clothing factory until you pass out so we can have "greatness". How does she even come up with a comparison like that ?! I- ...
You know there are deadlines, right? You have to release a product on time and it has to be good to meet expectations, sell and make profits so that a company or a person has resources to create more, meaning that somebody has to make a sacrifice in order to achieve that. This is literally how life works
@@beigegecko and who imposed those deadlines?? aren't those deadlines put in place because artists KNOW they can get away with this behavior, because they KNOW everyone else is doing it? Album releases take time, there's months many times years of time and effort gone into their conception.. are you telling me they couldn't accommodate for a little more time for the well being of their sound engineers?
It's more to do with studio rental costs, and squeezing out their work force because they're not unionized. It's very similar to the 'crunch' game programmers experience, because of a similar lack of unionization.
@@beigegecko “deadlines” “products” “profits” literally everything you just said is a completely made up system not “how life works”
There's nothing wrong with hard work but this delusion that success REQUIRES you and those around you to endure unbelievable suffering has to end. I can guarantee that three healthy 8 or 10 hour work days would be more productive for musicians (and other workers) than staying up for 30 hours straight.
As a musician I can tell you that I have to force myself to take breaks because I literally make my music worse at a certain point of exhaustion. When you’re mixing the same song all day it’s like when you say a word so many times that it just sounds like a noise. You need to take a break to refresh your ears and come back later or you’ll start making dumb decisions that will sound bad later when you’re in your right mind. We need
to normalize letting people take breaks because not only is it morally right but it will make your work better in the long run.
Brilliantly put, nothing-penguin. Appreciate the take.
That's true. If anything requires you to be creative, then trying to push yourself until exhaustion will only make your work worse. There's been tonnes of studies showing this, I don't get why people feel the need to do it. I partly blame the whole 'grind' culture where gurus lie about working for 18 hours a day and make you feel like a pussy for not lol
You're right. I use to stay up 3 days during college with a full schedule. My grades and health improved by clearing a lot out.
This fetishizing of exhaustion and long hours is related to the idea that drugs make great and interesting art (it's pretty unlikely anyone is working 36 hours without something stronger than caffeine). It's this idea that you need to get into some altered state. If there is benefits from being in altered state, it is generating the first draft of whatever art you are creating. The hard work is always in the editing and finishing the art. That requires focus.
"you dont get good art without FORCED LABOUR" is the most insane thing i've ever heard
wrong
@@maka5585 bruh are you just going to simp for the closest thing to slavery an employer can get away with on every goddamn comment?
@@jinxed7915 Yeah cus I’m an employer
@@maka5585 LMFAOO
Obviously you never worked in a job loke installing floor and wall tiles lol
Bruh that sza take is straight up insane. Like, how the fuck
with a combination of being out of touch and generational wealth
@@talal8572 didnt she have to do sex work just to make a living?
@@cheekybananaboy3361 her parents are execs. I highly doubt it unless she was selling feet pics to get some pocket money
@@cheekybananaboy3361 father was a CNN executive producer and mother a exec at AT&T, sliver spoon stuff
@Dayco Guy i was literally just asking a question chill :/
The song ”30 hours” has gotten a new meaning
*o* *o* *f*
i would never listen to "30 hours" the same way again
Lmfao
But guys, Kanye still drove 30 hours
The producers died, thats why the outro is so long
Jesus Christ SZA really thinks humans are somehow incapable of making a shoe without factories of people working themselves to death?! And a lot of amazing albums and music with "off the grid" quality artistry have been made under non-abusive conditions. Just how low is her bar.
I unfortunately follow SZA on Instagram and almost every one of her story posts have to do with some type of victimizing of a group of people that are in no way victims. SZA is literally the type of person to post about endangered elephants yet absolutely do fucking nothing about it.. as well as the things she pretends to fight for and yet have no type of action to account for it 😂😂🥴 No wonder TDE is falling apart
@Bronsexual Police Department Kendrick had slip ups too, remember that one time he got a white girl to rap m.A.A.D City out of all his songs on stage and then berated her in front of thousands for using the n-word ? Hopefully it was a one time thing because I've seen him be cool with entire crowds of white people rapping it without giving a fuck.
I mean, it's a bullshit point about art but regarding shoes and clothes in general, from a utility standpoint, there's a reason we get so many goods from China. It's kind of true that civilisation has always relied on essentially slave labor. The problem isn't that she pointed that out, the problem is that she implied it was justified.
@Bronsexual Police Department what were her comments?
@Bronsexual Police Department Agreeeeed
I don't wanna hear any social commentary from artists like this if they can't even treat their own colleagues like human beings. Especially that Sevdaliza/SZA post, which is essentially gaslighting people into thinking that working under exploitative and overwhelming conditions is just part of "off the grid quality" whatever tf that means
Working more than 10 hours a day is unsustainable, hell I'd even say 8 hours is already the limit, I fucking hate hustle/grind culture, even if I work in something I love and I am passionate about I shouldn't be expected to work overtime, if I do it, good. If I don't, good.
@@berni1011 the average white collar worker is only productive 2-4 hours per day. No one needs to work more than that, regardless of field. There's no need for society to be this way, except that evil won
So when an artist is burnt out, they get support from fans & family, vacations, the world going against the industry for stress and everything in between but people working for that artist going through the same is a worthy sacrifice.
Engineers really need to unionise , fuck working more than the contract and getting fired for not overworking yourself, even if you work in somethinf you love you shouldn't be expected to work over time, and if you do it should be damn well paid by the hour and with a max limit per week.
Bootlicking ain’t just a political thing. As long as we still worship the rich and famous this kinda hypocrisy won’t go away.
@@berni1011 Workers in general need to unionize then, everyone is suffering like this to some extent
@@grilla4464 yes
People like the artists, they don’t like the labels, and people ascribe all quality to the name on the music, so they don’t know the producers. So there’s your reason
Kinda expected kanye's behavior. Also, we don't know what's more. However, what freaked me out the most was SZA's thought process. She's acting like she's a general of the whole army and the sacrifice has to be made under her decision. While I am fond of the stupidity to say such dumb things on social media, gotta watch fragging, girl.
The fucked up part is that she benefits the most from that. In 20 years no one but her will get credit for her work. Its HER name on the product, not any of the people she drove into the ground.
That's what's fucked up about it and they're only willing to say it out loud here because its for art rather than some shit like retail
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You can't fathom his "love dude. Lock yourself in a room doing 5 beats a day for 3 summers."
@@MrCHI2cool I resorted to these numbers
SZA giving kanye another reason of why slavery was a choice
"Some of you may die. But that is a sacrifice I am willing to make." -Sevdaliza and SZA
More like SZA
@@HostileHairline You are right, I'll edit my comment
W comment.
She is female thanos
Is that...is that a Lord Farquad quote? Shrek had some good quotables.
SZA is just straight up saying that she deserves to be richer than the working class.
Also very ironically sounds like pro slavery
It bums me out because I love her music but…. Damn I didn’t know she was just a piece of shit lol
Class loyalty is a real thing.
@@aa-rondavis2914 she wrote a whole ass song about how she cheated on her partner lol
@@Nathancreatescontent its a SZA fan they cant read
People need to stop fetishizing working for their heroes. They do the same thing with Elon and in the gaming industry, they’ll subject themselves to total indignities, humiliation, and forced labour under the illusion that they’re getting to work with a genius and that therefore it’ll all be worth it. That somehow this bad experience will look good on their resume. If you’re going to overextend yourself for a dream, make it your own dream, don’t kill yourself for these lunatics. That’s just the way I feel about it.
The gaming and animation industry are both pretty disgusting, as well as many others
Music industry is built off of so many talented people then 5 of those people get labeled genius for the work of hundreds. I’m over it. Fucking loonies…you hit the nail on the head
Louder for the ppl that won't listen. 100% this
Right people are stemming their justification for this shit as "oh you have to drop everything for kanye" like no legend or not, hes just a questionable guy. I wish people had the self respect to not sacrifice themselves for him, they're worth so much more.
You sound extremely entitled. That's great that you don't believe in working hard for opportunities to make a career for yourself. I'm sure that mindset has led you to live a very successful life working minimum wage and having these 100 likes be the most attention you've ever received.
Rich people being awful to average people is normal* and SZA telling on herself
Massive self report tf
it’s to stir drama and therefore publicity
Sza is just on that sigma mentality
@@sony_mdr7506 🤣🤣🤣
I mean I'm sure Kanye's producers are rich people themselves
Someone should tell SZA that "forced labour" is the definition of slavery. That would be a fast block......
As off-base as Kanye's texts were, SZA looks even worse somehow ngl...
Edit: Shit, never mind!
because we expect this from kanye at this point. dude brought out serial-rapist marilyn manson out on stage to chill with him for a donda listening party
@@cheekybananaboy3361 The marilyn Manson thing was never confirmed. Nice try.
@@finismalorum9746 wtf marilyn manson is literally on the album
@@finismalorum9746 …are you trolling?
@@finismalorum9746 i’m a kanye fan but wth😂
"Unpopular opinion: it's okay and necessary to treat your workers like shit to get what u want"
lol
Yet Steve Jobs is seen as an icon
Bezos
Kubrick
The dude was 2 hours late, Kanye was in the right, he did what any person with an employee would have done.
Sigma grindset
What's beautiful is that these "artists" cry and whine when the labels take 50% of their profits when the "artists" are doing all the work. Then they turn around and expect unpaid/underpayed engineers and mixers to just kill themselves in the name of their art.
It's all the same, everyone is out for themselves
wrong
@@maka8551 There _are_ other words.
@@nimrodery Perhaps.
@@nimrodery Maybe they're a troll bot? who knows.
Everyone's getting exploited and pay is MIA...
Everyone’s talking about Kanye and his “go find god” comment…meanwhile I’m over here freaking tf out about SZA, that’s such a disturbing thought process
ngl the "go find god" was kinda gangster
"Hey man, these shoes? Kids were enslaved to make these shoes. Isn't that awesome?! You gotta make sacrifices to make people happy (specifically me, a rich famous person!)"
Yeah it's pretty disgusting. Not shocking from a kid of two executives unfortunately
Yeh that was much worse
SZA got that sweatshop owner mindset
SZAs unhinged take here makes me so much more intrigued about how she really is after all her weird nonsensical lies 😭 lmao
RIGHT LOL
What weird nonsensical lies, Im out of the loop.
@@menelikiii5004 same
@@andrejristic4956 same
@@menelikiii5004 there’s a youtube video that shines light on sza lying about the smallest things about herself and her life. i watched it recently and it was kind of funny tbh but i’m pretty sure that’s what the original comment was referencing
SZA be like: the wails of the starving are the backbone of all my songs, thats why I dont pay my bassist on time
Sevdaliza and SZA really out here saying "yuo dont like capitalism yet you exist
iphone venezuela bottom text"
this is a great comparison honestly. they seem so out of touch with reality that they can’t even recognize what they’re implying /or/ simply can’t comprehend how terrible it is.
Way to kill your reputation with a stupid retweet. Dont these ppl have PR Teams ? Neither of them is "extremely" successful - and they still have an inflated ego like that, who are they to talk ? Sad.
@@m00nrac00n Honestly I feel like "If kids had to be enslaved to make my shoes then I want those kids to be enslaved" is a pretty common sentiment (especially seeing this comment section, holy shit)
@@jasper3706 Yea, very that. I'd like to see them make those "shoes" themselves by producing on their own while being under constant pressure. The production literally makes the music possible - Lets be real, Sevdaliza's music without production would just be a woman saying random phrases in a middle eastern accent. Also: Two POC artists using slavery argumentation... Makes me lose hope and braincells.
@@m00nrac00n All this POC and slavery stuff makes me think they only teach you a very narrow view of slavery in school.
“Good morning
Lets work”
“You’re fired.
Go home”
Hahaaa
2 hours apart ... the Ye album cover comes to mind
He did tell him to come back after he finds God 🤣
@@squeallymaniac yes ‘mind’ dummy
Well I quit, y’all welcome
You have to "sacrifice" to get a good product. absolutely agree. YOU, the artist, need to sacrifice for YOUR product. That means if you can't do it yourself YOU have to sacrifice YOUR cash to get someone else to do it. If they can't do it in within your unreasonable time frame YOU have to sacrifice YOUR deadlines. They are not the artist, YOU are and they do not have the passion for the project YOU do. You are the only one who should be sacrificing anything and not forcing others to do the sacrificing for you.
needs to be pinned ong
@@romanroyer7057 lol fixed
Eeeyup. But the gospel of work ethic is like the word of God, in that it's been passed through so many hands and misinterpreted for so many wrong reasons that we now have people like SZA dropping rancid takes like this unironically. Busting your ass for your own goals, that's noble. Busting your ass for someone else's profit and ego while you make pennies on the dollar, and you're treated like gum on the bottom of their shoe? That's exploitation.
I was high reading that screaming you every time I read
Gonna use “go find god” in every conversation going forward
Stop commenting
Go find God
Come back after you found God
@@sarang8585 stop replying to replies
Find God
Come back after you found God
Fwd from another text:
I found God guys!
Yesterday after replying to replies of replies, I got jittery, lost my sight and then fainted to the ground. UA-cam came and all but I'm told i fought not to have my comments deleted lol
Anyway I'm back. Getting ready now
@Nostalgia Jones stop sending laughing-crying emojis
Find god
Comeback after you find god
Me: God isn't real.
"Damn 33 hours and those keyboards were still clipping on Pure Souls??"- Anthony probably
wrong
as a working producer I can assure you that nothing good comes from a 33 hour work session. This isn't like making same thing over and over, you are required to constantly think and come up with ideas, test them and decide wheter they work or not. there are some processes which are pretty tedious, like editing and stuff like that, but even then, your best results will be the ones that you've tried, checked and approved rationally. Mixing, production and other processes are forms of art just as much as the music itself, so crunching just makes the result worse
Just my two nickels in this thing right?: The video game industry is going through this EXACT thing right now and while people are co-signing Kayne and his bs, people are not some expendable resource. Have you ever heard about the horror stories of crunch? Developers and staff working till they can't anymore and then have their jobs threatened? It's not okay. The fact that we eat up all of these products and only care when it makes news is not okay. It's amazing how some people at the top are so disconnected when they're constantly in and out of rehab for similar shit. No empathy for the little guy ya know? It's whatever though, most people aren't even ready for that conversation
THANK YOU!!! Dense motherfuckers in the comments really trying to defend this shit. As if just because it's an "opportunity" Kanye or any other celeb can just treat any kind of way.
I was just thinking about what happened to Telltale today too
But Kanye is staying up with them... Kanye is not a game company that hires people and then himself goes to bed, Kanye is known for sleeping like 2 hours, also this was only during the Mercedes Benz renting out listening party 1 month to finish the album type thing.
Where in nature do you see empathy? The fact that you have a phone with WiFi puts you at an advantage over billions of people. Where’s your empathy for them? Give someone your phone since you can buy another. It’s a strange thing to want empathy from others even when our own circle of empathy is tiny.
this happens in every industry, it's capitalism babey 😎
"Some of you may die, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make" - SZA
😳
🤣
Oh naw 💀💀💀
Many producers and mixing engineers I know agree that even 1 hour straight is more than enough because your ears get used to the problems with the mix... 33 hours makes the music come out worse not just because of your own deteriorating health but because of the deterioration of your ears
No one is mad if Kanye wants to lock himself in his room and make 5 beats a day and “dig his own grave to feel alive” the problem is he is standing over a slew of people yelling “dig, motherfuckers! Dig or get lost!” Which is a different thing.
You’re not one of the kid’s in Holes, SZA, you’re the warden.
He is not forcing anyone
@@PaoloState Really now? After shouting at Chance in the studio, not paying to the Church Sunday Service, and being an egotistical asshole to most people he knows, he won't force engineers to crunch? LMAO
@@gas-station-sushi do you think Chance will be ok?
@@stevescott3735 prolly yeah, but still, from what I heard he just went to check up on Ye because he was worried abt him
Lmao, another assumption. He ain't forcing shit lol
Sevdaliza and SZA be like "actually, wage slavery is pretty based."
Its so dishearting to see when POC celebrities forget their roots because of success and act all high and mighty "I made it cuz I worked hard - so you have to aswell, no excuses." such bs.
@@m00nrac00n w̶o̶r̶k̶e̶d̶ ̶h̶a̶r̶d̶ forced people to sacrifice for me
@@m00nrac00n What do you mean, lmao, SZA grew up with money and privileged, this is a direct product of that
@@m00nrac00n some black people here don't come from slavery. They just immigrated here. There are two different viewpoints of black Americans.
@@rickeybernard8156 If you think this divide is because of heritage youre gonna be sadly disappointed plenty of African Americans, who buy into this rhetoric.
Fun fact: Da Vinci never really finished mona lisa. It was one of his late-life labors in which he was already a known and wealthy artist of italy. He spent the time he needed, the resources he needed, and even though he never reached the end of the line, it's still one of the greatest pieces of all history. For all inspiring artist ou there, take your time and don't starve. Respect yourselves and things will come out clearly.
Someone pin this
The difference is that Da Vinci was a genius. These people just think they are
wrong
@@E1337N3SS wrong
@@maka5585 well, why?
Imagine you pass out after a 33 hour work shift and when you up Kanye messages you to put Globgalob on a track
I'd go insane. The Clownery.
at that point the message probably comes from Globgalob himself
the glob was a great choice tbf
The fact that Kanye's first songs were about being broke while pursuing your dreams and the troubles of the working class is peak irony.
"you were supposed to destroy the sith not join them"
Most of Kanye's music had a team of writers that didn't get credit
I'm a fan of his but he, like most rappers at the level he was at, make pop music to sell...not to educate or speak real truth
It’s sad to see as a fan of him from the beginning. The fame/money changed him even more than it does most people.
Did you want him to still be rapping about financial struggles when he's a billionaire?
@@rayfordreed9304 That wasn't the point of his comment, forehead.
It takes a lot for me to actually stop listening to an artist due to who they are, but just what Sza said, the fact that her art is potentially slave driving the workers behind the scenes, and her whole attitude is "well its a sacrifice for my art" and it feeds her ego. I just don't think I could listen to her after that.
I’m in the same boat… but don’t worry! At this pace we won’t ever hear another SZA song Bc she dropped like three singles then just went back to radio silence
I was just about to check her stuff out of the blue before this.
@@cheesecakelasagna Yall are aware sza didnt..write that...right??
@@cliiiiiq8787 Fr! Like everyone in the comments rn just went straigh to the comment section and collectively decide that SZA was the one who wrote it rather than actually listening to the video. So weird man
@Garmai Segrain She had no idea it was in the context of kanyes situation , that mindset is understandable
Melon, you're videoes have been really good lately, you seem very happy and if you ever read this I just wanted you to know that you're videoes are a bright spot in a lot of people's days
I agree and I'm glad you wrote this, the audio and visuals have been great too. We love you melon boy
That’s because Melon found god
It's certainly a bright spot in my day ❤️
We’ve romanticized this idea that if you work hard, agonizing, hours, it’ll all be worth it in the end and you’ll be making dough.
Except it’s largely bullshit and all you’re really is making the guy above you richer.
Nope working hard is worth it in the end. Certainly not in your McDonald’s minimum job. But whether you work hard let it be sports or music or anything it does payoff. An elite work ethic always bests talent or intelligence.
@@hecticbeatzz5628 like Nah? Because what constitutes as "working hard?" Let me put it this way: there's--how many?--like a thousand players in the NFL, out of millions of others who are hoping to play at a pro-level. Are we sayin that those people who don't make "just didn't work hard enough?" Of course not. There's no guarantee that if you do back-breaking work that you'll be rewarded with wealth and success. Because the numbers are against you from the start. Especially in sports where luck and genetics are just as important as hard work
The point is "not" people should not work hard, it's that we've perverse the meaning of hard work to justify working long hours for low pay and for rich people to exploit the poor with promises and fairy tales. And with more and more studies showing the dangers of overwork, there's no real reason to abide by that any more.
If it's something that makes you happy, then do what you can while also minding your mental health. But if it's for the sake of some suit than nah? You shouldn't be doing hard work for the sake of someone else's vision. treat a 9-5 like a 9-5...you do the work that you're contracted for, and that's it. Unless they're going to pay you more, there's no reason not to be mercenary about it.
As an aside..knowing that a large number of wealthy people made it not because "they worked hard" but because they either came from wealthy family, had strong connections, or just was at the right place at the right time, puts a hard damper on our societies obsession with work. Add that studies show that while people are working longer hours, that it'snot translating to higher pay, and only recently have seen a slight uptick among the middle class. But I can go into a whole thing of how choices stemming way back to Reagan has purposelly made it so that people's wealth was not increasing at the degree of business owners like it was post WW2
wrong
@@maka5585 nah
This is why i like frank ocean. He just taking his sweet own time releasing his album, no deadline or anything, and its definetely gonna BANG.
Frank Ocean makes Dogshit Music tho.
@@TheHaqqRemains cap
@@TheHaqqRemains cap
@@TheHaqqRemains pac
@@TheHaqqRemains cap
"The guy being two hours late, I'm not feeling too sympathetic"
Anthony then proceeds to explain how working long hours and not getting rest can have a detrimental effect on your health and ability to give your best work.
I guess what I'm saying is, dude probably really needed that sleep.
Fr people are not putting the two text together if a guy in a similar position worked till he fainted then that guy probably did an ungodly shift too and not waking up at 7:30 makes sense
Yeah, my theory is that he straight up just slept through 3 and a half hours of his alarm ringing. When you’re absolutely exhausted, your body sometimes just refuses to wake up until you’ve had that sleep.
Well said. If they doing 30 hour days and hot to be there at 9 something gotta give.
I actually didn't put this together until this comment. So s/o to u2 for changing my opinion
Wouldn't be the first time he plays good cop for Kanye.
I’ve never even thought about how stressful it must be to know a celebrity can decide to fire you whenever they want, I’m not even just talking about the Kanye situation but also engineers that work for even less experienced or mature artists, the person in charge is more determined by fame than experience managing people
I guess, but at the same time it’s like you kind of have to know what you are getting yourself into
Some people just work excessive and long hours, and on top of that working with someone thats kind of just an A tier producer
At the end of the day, I mean at least maybe Kanye let them come back after finding god which more than I can say for some jobs that just let you go
You ever work in a restaurant? Cuz you pretty much just described working in a restaurant.
Thats jusg america tho. In Europe your boss has to let u know 2-3 months in advance ghat you're getring fired so you have time to fi d a new job in the meanwhile. Getting fired on spot is illegal. And if the boss decides to fire you he has to go throuvh a lot of paperwork bullshit to justify his decision
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SZA's compelling argument would sound even better spoken from the headrest of a guillotine.
Damn lmao
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i love how the first two replies are telling you to chill and the other two are saying “based”… and it’s those last replies that have more fucking likes lmao
People who complain abt the first guy probably never slept 2-3 hours a day for weeks.
When you sleep that little, NO amount of alarms and shouting will wake you up and get you going. Your body after a threshold cannot work anymore and NEEDS that sleep, your body cares more abt having sleep and being able to keep going than made-up job schedules
Stans will always defend their favourite artist no matter what they do
Accurate
I know the feeling and you are 1000 percent right.
@@Thirtle stans are in every industry unfortunately.
This is a pretty big conclusion to jump too that this guy was getting 2-3 hrs of sleep for weeks
Literally just hire another engineer or studio tech or two or 5 or how many ever you need and rotate them out. Why would anyone even want someone in the studio with fatigued ears trying to mix or record you’r album
But then you wouldn't get to have a power trip and that's not fun!
@@jasper3706 "No one man should have all that power"
Fr in my experience I need to refresh my ears at a certain point or I can’t accurately mix a song not matter how hard or long I work on it.
Half the reason these industry albums suck has to do with exactly what you just said
This is true but it's also true that 10 people mixing the same thing can have disastrous results. It's not like you can just swap out 1 producer for another or 1 mixing engineer for another, you'll definitely get varied results and at best it's going to be a very complicated process where they'd know how to work with eachother very well.
Kanye literally said “You want forgiveness? Get religion”
Line for line straight from spiderman 3
"...the guy being two hours late after 9am, I'm not feeling too sympathetic..." 2:48
Dude. Shit happens. If the guy has by no means made a habit out of it and he's clearly super repentful about it, axe'ing him is far too harsh. Call me a bleeding heart but everyone makes mistakes, and we're all human.
It's Ye's call for sure, but as an assistant manager with my own small band of people it feels intensely out of line from my own perspective.
Gotta agree. Ppl slip up, and it seemed like a first time mistake, which means you can write them up or the equivalent of that, but not really grounds for firing someone imo
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@@maka5585 coming from another kanye stan, tf is the point of spamming that on every comment you don’t agree with lmfao
@@maka5585 glad you aren't a manager at least
@@JustAJauneArc I am. I've fired people for less than being 2 hours late.
Kanye getting into a car accident 20 years ago due to him overworking himself must have slipped his mind.
He probably credits it with his creativity and demands everyone crash like him
@@coolguy2418 honestly you’re probably right
The sad thing about that accident is the actual victim wasn't compensated if I remember correctly. Leaving the man without broken legs and a totalled car while unable to work
People, especially older people, love glorifying harmful things that happened to them.
"Oh I almost died doing this" "I used to get hit much harder than you did".
They're incapable of saying "damn, maybe it doesn't have to be like this" they just wear it as a fucked badge of honour.
I totally see this happening here too; "I nearly died for my music, you need to do that too or you can get out". Happens in plenty of industries, you better be willing to give up your own health, or they'll find someone who will.
To me it sounds like Knaye is mad because the person was late and a good amount of time went by without any response. I dont know what kind of arrangement they had but If im employing people to help me while under lots of pressure and they are late Id be upset. Yea he comes off insensitive but in the moment he was probably mad.
It’s quite a feat to work a 33 hour day considering Earth’s days are generally only 24 hours in length
33 hours straight man not 33 in a single day
We all know Kanyes studio isn't located on planet Earth.
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@@diegocorral8787 but sir
I’m gonna get ratioed but genuinely a better song thannoff the grid
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This seems like basically exactly how tech CEO’s act.
Nope, it's a completely different world. Competent Software Engineers are headhunted weekly and tech companies know that work/life balance keeps employees around.
more like financial bros though
You must be working at the wrong companies
Or animators or game designers with "crunch time". Sometimes there's going to be a lot of work when deadlines are comming up but it's not something to be proud of. Overworking your employees doesn't produce better work quality of work. Who tf thinks working 33 hours straight and going blind is going to produce better work than just paying for more employees and giving them more time.
Well Kanye did say "I'm Steve Jobs!" Haha
That Sza quote is how you get woman who are forced into uncomfortable sexual situations just to have a career in the first place. They have to "sacrifice" and get off the "grind" to get ahead
Lots of people in this comments section need to consider hiring a dominatrix cause they're giving off serious "I like being abused by people in a position of power over me" energy
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Everyone already lowkey being exploited by the government right now tho. Ain't mean to sound corny but Pac said, it ain't about you getting exploited its how long you allow yourself to be. Ye engineers need to check themselves they know how Kanye is, and with SZA and that Sadavelli girl with this post, they should do the same.
Nah just Kanye stans apparently
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This feels parallel to the "crunch" culture of game development. This fierce rush to meet deadlines or put things out quickly coming at the cost of peoples well being will ultimately result in diminishing returns. To rush the process of art is to kill part of the soul that is required to make said art enjoyable. Bands like BTBAM take years between releases because making such dense amazing music requires time and patience to make right. I feel this shows mainstream music has lost the plot and is more focused on music as a commodity rather than a piece of art.
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@@maka5585 how?
@@annanguessan-ble6488 it's a troll don't talk to it
@@annanguessan-ble6488 game developers are forced, this isn’t similar at all to what happened here
@@maka5585 i mean as a fellow game dev i would walk out of my job if this was forced upon me : D (i have)
Thank you for being Pro Labor Unions. I know you didn't necessarily say that in your own words. But mentioning the alternative solution along with the treating of people unfairly and trying to normalize tolerating abusive working conditions speaks volumes. I wish more people would talk about Labor Unions in general.
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Thanks Anthony for the measured response. There's nothing wrong with working beyond the usual 9 - 5 on a project of this magnitude, but mixing for 30 hours straight is very unlikely to lead to great results. I'm not a world class mix engineer, but in my experience a good night's sleep allows you to come back with fresh ears and make some instant improvements.
honestly kanye should be honored by the engineers lateness
that he would even show up to that fake shit
Also how they said they’d be there in 5 minutes but 5 hours later they’d be there in 5 minutes
kanye went nuts, went apeshit
The engineer’s presence is a present. Kanye can kiss his ass.
btw they lightly scratched your corolla
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That line from SZA about sometimes having to dig your own grave to feel alive is real rich coming from someone who gets to do what they want to do for an occupation and how much is she worth? Must be nice to say that to people who actually have to work their asses off everyday yet for some reason all the wealth keeps going to a tiny minority of the population... Weird 🤐
Jesus fucking Christ can y'all not read that she didn't write that shit! Yes she shared it and obviously agrees to some degree but that other chick wrote that stuff wtf is wrong with yall
@Bronsexual Police Department whatever tf you want to think is your issue but mention Sevdaliza or whatever her name is too don't just drag SZA
The other irony is her talking about hard work when she notoriously never fucking releases music. She’s released a few singles this year to keep her name out there, and even with those she was weirdly mad at fans for asking ‘when’s the album dropping?’ As if it’s weird to expect an album when artists release singles. I’m really getting turned off on her, when I used to love her music
A union would mean that kanye wouldn’t be able to hire people without agreeing to the terms set out by their union.
Urgh i wish more engineers could be unionised industry wide.
but then the problem is he just wouldnt hire anyone in that union
@@cheekybananaboy3361 Which is why the entire industry needs to unionise. I’m sick of my fellow live and studio engineers being exploited by their employers, their clients, and by artists.
How do you think hollywood gets by ? Actors and writers all have unions to get treated fairly by studios.
@@Dropkickclash192 i have no clue how hollywood gets by, i wouldve assumed it was the same situation unfortunately lol. exploitation around every corner.
@@Dropkickclash192 Time for studio engineers to organize under IATSE. They cover most entertainment and have the bargaining power to fight back against the music industry
@@Dropkickclash192 Hollywood isn't exactly a shining becon.
“It’s easier to rationalize the perversion of it [the messed up state of reality] than work against it” the type of sentence to spark self awareness and change. I used to be so wrong about Mellon
Here are my thoughts on the whole matter. Mainly about the music industry as a whole. For the ugly practices that go on. People need to get paid, flexible hours or a set amount of hours. Good benefits like health and everything in between. Treating the people you work with as people should be the standard. Treating people like machines shouldn't be a standard in any place. If things need to get delayed then fine. Rather have good quality work and no b.s. than forcing people to work to death. If you wanna go that far with work then that is their choice. "Forced Labor" shouldn't happen period. But, this is from my perspective. Logic had an issue where his people weren't getting paid and getting ripped off. So, this isn't the first time we have heard about the ugly side of the industry.
“So, this isn't the first time we have heard about the ugly side of the industry”
That’s an understatement and a half. Exploitation like this has been going on for nearly a century.
@@drewp.weiner5708 Ik it's just some people don't know what goes on. Ain't saying that it hasn't been known for years. Because you're right. It has.
Anthony, thank you for calling out the BS in the SZA thing. Likening what you put your team through to sweatshop conditions and justifying it by saying it elevates THEIR OWN art is really gross. You’re literally the only person with a big influence who’s called it out, which boggles my mind because it’s literally someone saying it’s okay to subjugate people to misery for your own personal gain/ambition. It was a statement that sounds like it came out of “There Will Be Blood.”
I remember Akon telling the story that Eminem was working on his music for several hours a day, and has since then applied that to himself because he realized that burning yourself out, working in the studio day and night is nonsensical.
The fact that people are defending this behavior is so disturbing to me. The idea that overworking underpaid musicians is a necessity to make good music just reeks of privilege, especially when it comes from people who don’t do half of that work. Do these people not understand how psychopathic they sound? They basically just said “it’s perfectly fine to work people to death in the name of squiggly air”. It doesn’t matter how good the music is, no one deserves this type of abuse.
Edit: Because you dumb asses keep bringing this up, no, I am not saying that arriving 3 hours late to work is okay. Of you arrive that late to work, it is a sign that you are irresponsible, I am not denying that. I was referring to the post that SZA put on her instagram story.
I agree with you on the fact that no musician should be over worked but the producer who was late for work did deserve to be fired. It’s cruel but that’s how it is. Although Kanye’s response to find god doesn’t help to defend him
How do you know they are underpaid? The time they spend working is specified on their contract. Gtfoh.
@@RejectYourIdols being two hours late for a Walmart job can get you fired, or at least on probation. I see no problem firing them over that. Sza's message was absolutely disgusting though
Imagine showing up 3 hours late at any job and getting away with it, let alone working for Kanye West.
You don’t get Songs like Off The Grid from DONDA without pushing your producers 🐐
"You shall give him his wages on the same day, before the sun sets (for he is poor and counts on it), lest he cry against you to the LORD, and you be guilty of sin." Deuteronomy 24:15
Sza basically said what society is at this current point in time, except she actually endorsed it? She can't be serious right?
I imagine the producers mixing and mastering a WhatsApp audio LOL
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He really said “go find god” to someone who was late for work lmao
This is like when Prince did his crazy recording sessions: he went on for 48-72 hours at a time and had engineers switching with eachother after they'd done 16 hours each...but at least he knew his people couldn't keep up the same pace
Must've been a lot of coke residue on the mic
The lack of punctuation marks from Kanye's texts legitimizes that it IS Kanye sending these.
Jay z still has the worst punctuation of any human ever tho lol. I’m glad he only tweeted that one day. Even his twitter handle is terrible lmao.
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Honestly the whole writeup of SZA is a selfcentered stinkpiece. It's pretty disgusting.
where can i find it?
Yeah, mind sharing a link?
As a working engineer/ producer. This needs to be talked about more in the industry. Getting ripped off can absolutely make your passion feel not worth it. It’s also essential for the engineer and producer to have time for breaks, it allows for a creative break so you can come back with a newer perspective and newer ideas. Grinding them to death only makes the product worse.
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33 hours straight? How is that even legal
It seems like it was produced in Georgia, which, based on a cursory google search, has no limit on hours worked per day. It also apparently has no requirement for employers to provide breaks. So yeah, it's legal, though it absolutely shouldn't be.
For context, where I live, a worker legally can't even agree via a contract to work more than 13 hours a day (specifically they require at least 11 hours off work each day) and are required to have at least a 30 minute break for every 5 hours worked.
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@@maka5585 In every thread you’re replying “wrong” to every comment that you identify as being one side of debate rather than the other. You’re just sorting posts into two categories and disagreeing (in the most low-effort way imaginable) with everything you’ve put into category A. In the case of this comment there’s no actual criticism of the artists you want to defend, just some info on employment law. But you’ve sorted it into category A so it gets a “wrong” from you. I have no comment on this sort of binary thinking but it might be something you want to reflect on.
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@@metascrawlmusic he’s a sad man. Since he got the time to spam that in the comments I took the time to report every single time he’s done it 🤣💀
One of my favorite stories is that of John Lennon’s vocals on Twist and Shout. The Beatles only ever recorded two takes of that song because the vocal performance was so intense for Lennon that he was barely able to speak for days afterwards and had to drink lots of milk just to sooth the pain. That was Lennon suffering for HIS music on HIS OWN decision. He wasn’t forced to do that, nor did he force anyone else into anything that was painful for them. I admire stories of when so much effort and dedication is put into music and seeing the incredible result. But not when that effort is forced. In my opinion, that is so exactly the opposite of what music should be.
I’m sure the Beatles did their fair share of overworking their vast array of underlings. Like ye, Lennon was a creative genius, but he had more than his share of issues as well. He was a very abusive person most of his life, I’ll say that much.
@@alexblack4145 people often live very different lives professionally and personally. Conflating the two is a dangerous game and just assuming someone must be abusing their coworkers to achieve success.
Yeah it was just his children and wives who had to suffer at his fists
@@victorpetrescu6586 not saying it’s the reason for his success at all I’m just saying there’s ample footage of Lennon tearing the studio engineers and George Martin and co producing apart so he’s not a good example. I brought up the abuse in his personal life just to further the point of this being a stupid ass comparison
Btw I’m a massive fan of the fabs and ye but my point is it would be more appropriate to liken the two than to put Lennon on pedestal in this situation
Kanye- "I'm a good Christian."
Also Kanye- "You were a little late once?.. I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU LEAVE MY SIGHT!"
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Inaccurate. He said find God and come back. It is basically forgiveness.
if the people working on an album feel stressed, bullied, humiliated, forced into unbearable hours of labor by the 'star', it will show on the album, no matter how much good material may be there, something will be off and listeners will sense it.
Which is exactly what happened. Overbloated and messy. And honestly I dont blame them. They did the damm thing on the tracks that were great. No shade to them.
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kanye: “i am a strict boss who will turn the other cheek when my engineer works himself into passing out”
SZA: “sweat shops are actually good”
At first I didn't feel toooo bad about the dude who woke up at 11am, but after seeing the second pic, I wonder what time he actually went to sleep at. Prolly 2 hours late and still only got like 6 hours of sleep lol
Here so early, I became Kanye's new engineer
It's like crunching in the vid game industry. A lot of amazing games involved crunch in their development process, and a lot of insanely embarrassing failures were also a product of crunch. The difference is: good games can come from extra work by people who are willing to do it because they're proud of what they're making and want it to be as good as it can be. Crunch is a nightmare when it falls on devs who are forced to pull heaps upon heaps of overtime when they're dying on the inside and just want to rest and see their families. Good things don't EVER come from people who are unhappy and unmotivated.
Bold words from a murderer Lucien.
I still don't like crunch because at the end of the day, however invested in a game a dev might be it is not the focal point of their lives, it's their job. Also usually it's not a question of if they're willing to do crunch it's more a question of if they want to keep their job
I would disagree, that a lot of games "required" crunch. Because if you dig deeper, you will find out, that often enough crunch is a product of wrong decissions or even mismanagement.
These games didn't "REQUIRE" crunch, they just had crunch. Some fantastic beautiful games (hell, my GOTY last year and my GOTY 2018 both had) have had crunch before, but that shit wasn't required lol
Not that I'm condoning strenous overwork in either industry, but what I find unsettling about it coming from Kanye is that he's at a point in his career where he can comfortably take as much time as he wants to release an album. There's no reason he should be beholden to a studio's deadlines to determine when it needs to get done, so why the need to have people working grueling hours? I understand the excitement to get a project done but still
“Sometimes we just need to dig our graves to feel alive” Y I K E S
SZA acting like Kanye had NO choice in recording/releasing his album the way he did. All that drama he stirs up by having his releases be so hectic and unpredictable is just marketing, it has nothing to do with the artistic statements he's making. SZA should know its possible to have a quality and successful album that was worked on over a reasonable amount of time, its absurd. Kanye just knows he has that kind of power over people so he can bend and twist them to whatever end he wants to 'shock the world' with. Get real
Kanye also made me listen to almost 2 hours of his music. I was exhausted.
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You’re on the wrong video, I think you’re looking for the CLB review
The reason we don't see Cal anymore is because Anthony is keeping that sweet boy locked in the basement working on his videos!
Somewhere right now is a McDonalds manager that takes his or her job waaaaaay too seriously and is adopting this mindset right now to push their employees to make the best burgers they can make and to fix the damn McFlurry machine.
Idk if that flurry machines actually ever going to be broken. They'll tell you it is though
I like Kanye and his music, but the way he does things is just absurd. Someday he's gonna murder a producer just because the volume was a decibel off
I guarantee to you if that happens Kanye stans would defend him and say it's the producer fault that he died
The gay fish is getting really spicy ngl
bro? how old r u.
literally that scene with Clark County in Atlanta
If they can’t handle it they should just go home. These people are professionals and they know what they sign up for. They get paid for the time they work on the music. They don’t have a gun to their head
There’s a fine line between crazy and genius and this whole situation kinda is proof of this
Is there really a line between the two? Can’t somebody be both?
Nah, Kanye is legitimately bipolar and doesn't take his meds. There's definitely a strong argument that Kanye's overall state of mind apparently declining has also hurt the consistency of his work.
Don't perpetuate this myth of ignoring one's mental health in order to ostensibly achieve "greatness."
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@@Bluezbreakr2 this a good ass comment
As someone who has stayed up for over 30 hours at a time I can definitely confirm it’s not the strongest strategy for maximizing efficiency.
Kanye: Go find God. Come back after you found God.
Also Kanye: I am a god.
So if you find Kanye, he'll hire you back!
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Kanye moved past that so kinda an outdated reference
producers are the backbone of this industry
Nooooo, have dare you say that, we all know that RAPPERS and SINGERS are the only ones to be praised, Producers/Instrumentalists/Mixers/Engineers, lol who are those losers. Pffft it's not like they make the song actually good, rappers and singers do all the work.
You still have to be a decent vocalist for your shit to slap though
@@sheriffaboubakar9720 you can have a shit producer and mixer, but they will bring the whole thing down i. e. Instrumental and the vocalist, it will make every vocalist sound bad
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I work on the film industry and Kanye's cut throat response is pretty common as well
People in the comments are comparing their job as a cashier to working with one of the biggest artists on the planet lol
“Off the grid level artistry” LOL
I mean I like the song but she’s acting like it’s an unparalleled legendary masterpiece and not a pretty good song that came out a week ago. Has she ever heard music not made by a celebrity? There are a lot of underground artists making just as good if not better art without working anyone to death.
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I'd even make the simpler point that working yourself to death on a piece of art is not a guarantee of quality so why do it? Like Donda has gotten pretty middling to poor reviews despite all this insane level of labour that went into it so what was the point? It doesn't need to happen but people do it anyway.
@@ApocalypticRenegade 90% of those reviews are critics moaning about manson and dababy. go ahead and read them. it's been well received by fans.
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SZA's "slavery is a choice that I'm willing to make" make Kanye's "slavery was a choice" pale in comparison
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"let's work"
"you're fired"
"go home"
Is craazy 🤣
My two cents? If the first guy was also working ~33 hours over and over, his body forced him to oversleep. There's only so much crunch the human body is going to accept until it straight up says "nope" to a ringing alarm or texts from the boss. Clocking hours like that, I'd sleep at the office. That way someone needs me, they can nudge me awake. No being late.
But just to be clear, sleeping at the office sucks.
The two texts presented side by side seemed to me to indicate that both people had similar cause for their misfortunes: inhuman hours. How stressful that must be when the person you’re working for is not only hyper-powerful, but is utterly inflexible and unseeing.
Also, did we just all collectively forget that Kanye missed his deadlines several times, and by like more than a year?
Kanye screwed up time and time again by failing to gauge how finished the songs on his album(s) were and jumping the gun with habitual false release dates. Because of this, his fans became accustomed to disappointment. And now what we’re seeing here are examples of people under his employment who got put into highly uncomfortable working conditions and suffered due to his own unprofessionalism.
@@ColterHarris what do you mean time and time again. Kanye only missed 2 release dates for Donda. One last year and the one on the day of the second listening party
Also id like to add that while 930 seems like a reasonable time to be up for a job or whatever there were a lot of whisperings about kanyes whole camp being kept on crazy hours. Who knows when that guy got to go to sleep the night prior bc he was probably working on the album. Idk