These forests were put up for sale (a timber sale) and once the land are bought by a logging company it is harvested to the regulations of the land owner and managed well so more trees like these ones will grow and produce great forests again. These loggers are not horrible people...they don't just fall trees because they want to kill the forest, they are trying harvest timber products for everyone to use.
I was in the best shape of my life when I was logging. Most people don't have a clue how hard logging really is. It's good honest hard work. It never hurt anyone.
No doubt Bill. Alot of folks don't even know what it feels like to be totally sinewy and able to pull 14 hour days 6 days a week for years on end and not miss a beat while doing this kind of crazy physical labor....and.feel good all the time. Little pain, and tons of energy. I was there once....then got knocked on my ass. Never got back to the shape I was but, man, those years from 22 to 28 I honest to gosh was nearly invincible.
@Shifurei The dollars made from falling this timber supports families in Idaho.....and it used to support whole towns. Weippe and Pierce to name a few, not to mention all the saw mills that provide employment for people. I know it kept my family fed for alot of years and I was thankful for it.
A felled tree taken for noble reasons maintains it regal form in the shape of: housing, art and the livelihood of a worker. A tree can be majestic in it's forest enclave, but, I've seen this beauty take on different forms in exquisite joinery which shows in: grand staircases, cabinetry, wood boats, to name a few. I am grateful to the knowledgeable and skilled few who enable me to touch and create something out of that nobility.
Lots of practice and time in the woods equals a better sawyer...one of these guys still work\s in the woods and everyone I know says that he is one of the best sawyers around cool stuff really.
cut your corner off on the pine.?!?. lol...oops.. nice video... brings back some good memories of times long gone. had a few nice punkins like that up in the selway country working for john schmadeka..
Shifurei...this video is not for entertainment...it shows logging practices done years ago and the quality of timber available in Idaho...logging is a management practice not destruction...if you have nothing good to say about logging or the people who rely on timber products everyday than don't say anything at all.
I noticed, those Orange huskies put the trees right where the sawyer gunned them! Now that Stihl gunsite must need to be re sighted in...its WAY off heheheh hahahah just kidding kidding ;) I love the video. Hard working men there no doubt.
In Idaho, the sound travels through the air differently and you don't need any hearing protection from the saw. Either that or Husky's that large are quiet enough not to cause damage.
was working for a logging outfit out of Grangeville ID in the summer of 1990. I was a landing bucker. We was working up near Nut Basin also, up toward the upper end of John Day Cr. Seen some big Yellow Pine like that, a few so big that they could only load two long logs onto a truck. That was kinda tricky, using a cable strap with a 410 prentice loader, lifting one end of the log at a time.
ok. lets say you leave these trees. in another 150 years, they will start to have (or will have) rotten core. the trees will rot from the inside out and they will fall down. if we chop them down now, then we get the benefit of using a solid tree. they are no good once they are rotten.
sabbie7...have you ever used a paper product before (books, paper towels, checkbook, etc.)?!?! Trees provide materials for us to use and logging is a practice that harvests trees for human purposes. It is a part of life and will be for years to come.
worked out in the blue mtns for jb lumber out of clarkston, never saw timber that big untill went out to forks wa, and those would be small trees out there i cut the last of the best timber on the coast and it ran 250 thousand board feet per acer., it was spruce 4 to 5 40 ft logs per tree. the logger dave westerlund put out 222 loads of logs in 7 days
Odmcarp...I don't want to get into it with you but if you use toilet paper or live in a house that was constructed by wood then you should just keep your mouth shut...these trees were harvest to produce wood products and not fell to kill the trees...educate yourself and think about your belongings that are constructed from wood and be thankful!
FYI these trees were sent off to a timber mill and processed into boards and other general wood products. These trees were not sold to companies who produce wood furniture. The reason I know this is because I personally know the men who fell these trees and where they were taken to.
I have worked in Bush for years,and the toughest bloke i ever worked with was an ex army,not big but just wire and tough,we dropping a real rough block big trees and lots of crap underfoot and steep,and it rained all time,Scotty was loaded up with fuel and wedges and axe 066 mag,and he just go all day,huge stamina and safe,could trust him,seen big muscle mutts barely last the day,no heart...
Is this on the Clearwater forest? I used to work on the Powell district. I miss this area. Too bad logging like this on NF land is a thing of the past due to ignorant econazis.
darrenpalms been there, done that...that country stands on end in places.. did a job on potlatch ground above the avery ranger station... the first pack in liked to of killed me off..lol.. but that's loggin! i wouldn't have traded it for all the money in the world.. now i'm too fat and busted up .. grrr
pulp trees like poplar go to the paper mills, pine and other wood go to the lumber mills, and the species of poplar and are not going extinct anytime soon
Remember these trees are no more than 150 years old (especially the cedar) so this would not be considered old growth forest stands. Yes you could try to set up plantations to try to harvest over and over but plantations take years to establish so new sites have to be cleared to create plantations or new timber. Some of these trees were on Forest Service lands and we probably never been logged again. These man are just trying to make a living and are carrying out their orders.
I was going to say the cedars aren't anything to write home about.. Healthy trees but not even out of diapers as compared to real old growth. Regardless I'd of hired any of the fellows running saws in this video to log on the Olympic Pennisula, WA back in the mid eighties. True loggers at work in this video for sure. Probably eat canned Spotted Owl for lunch..
Idaho has many hidden wonders you wont see just by driving the freeway..I live in Gooding. Around the twin falls area..And to the south of me is nothing but desert and the Snake River Canyon but just 20 miles north is the Sawtooth National Forest..You really need to venture off the beaten path. You will be impressed.
when we cut the timber on t he farm they cut as close to the ground as they could. I was watching they didn't do it in the move. a reason for that? thanks for the video
John Moore in the case of the cedars they have have a swollen butt which is trimmed off later so sometimes cutting cedars the "high stump" them a little so it doesn't have to be trimmed later.
yea that's the world we live in. it's all there to comfort our needs. we're the top of the foodchain so we can destroy whatever we want to make our standard of living better. i am part of it, but at times i think it's a fucked up situation.
Yeah, that's a valid point but you can certainly do your part in making it less fucked up, by recycling, reducing your consumption of resources, reducing your impact on this fragile planet. We still need wood that's obvious, people need to repair their roofs with plywood and or cedar shingles. But if you are not recycling, you meaning anyone, then you are not helping.
darrenpalms I was a young buck back then too.Great vids,worked a lot in Clearwater outside of elk city and up around Lochsa lodge as well as other parts of Idaho.Those were good days,aiso worked in logging camps all over S.E. Alaska. Being a cutter really enjoy the vids.....thanx.
+darrenpalms yeah I figured that.In icy bay logging camp cut old growth Sitka spruce and hemlock up to 2005 that ended in 2005 when industry collapsed most operations shut down.Always loved working in North Idaho spent my best young working years there.to add a caveat cut up by priest lake on Canadian border really sweet timber there probably alot left your just can't get to it anymore.
Try to run one in 90' weather for a full day and you will understand. If you are not used to it, know what you are doing and are in decent shape you wont make more than a few hours. I guarantee it.
that's because the saw has *more power* than you do.. lol...you have to rassel that pig all day.. and still put enough wood on the ground to make it pay.. so yeah.. you *gotta* be in shape if you're not you go home broke or get in shape *FAST* my funniest experience was with columbia helicopters on grape mountain on the boise natl for... this big, burly bad ass dude showed up one day and was "gonna show scrawny f&^%kers how it's did" .. he went home at lunch time *bawlin* like a little bitch...
Run a saw for a hour or so straihgt doing firewood and your hands and back hurts. Cant imagine doing it all day long for 8+ hours. Loggers are the most badass people glad to be apart of a family that owned a logging company. My grandma runs a big ass stihl saw still. Splits her own firewood to she is 73. we get the wood and cut to length but she splits it normally. and then packs it to her house. That goes to tell you how badass the older generation is and someone that was a logger. She ran a saw when my grandpa (her husband) had the logging company. Then she ran a front end loader at the mill for a long time.
tank2449 after a while you get used to it. I cut quite a bet of firewood and the first few times are rough. Dad was in pretty good shape when he logged.
darrenpalms Ive got no problem with it now. that was when i first started running saws about 3 years ago. Since everyone else in my family like my dad grandma and uncle were experienced with saws i was the grunt that loaded the truck and stacked it all nicely to fit as much as possible. And then i acquired a old homelite super xl 12 and got it running and now thats what i use to cut firewood. She is no power house but she is big enough for the firewood size we normally like in our garage but not really big enough for the bigger trees. I have a old johns red that needs a carb rebuild to get her going that is my project this winter. My favorite thing to do during hunting season besides hunting is every time we go out we come home with firewood. I love cutting and splitting firewood its a peaceful thing.
Where do I buy a chainsaw with music, kind of defeats its purpose. Obama would be in seventh heaven, turn up the volume please. Thank God we don’t have that daily mouth to listen to. Vote Trump 2020
These forests were put up for sale (a timber sale) and once the land are bought by a logging company it is harvested to the regulations of the land owner and managed well so more trees like these ones will grow and produce great forests again. These loggers are not horrible people...they don't just fall trees because they want to kill the forest, they are trying harvest timber products for everyone to use.
I was felling timber like that up in the Yakk back in 1967
awesome. thanks for bringing my memories back from the redwoods!!! that, my fellow fellers, is how its done! damn good times.
I was in the best shape of my life when I was logging. Most people don't have a clue how hard logging really is. It's good honest hard work. It never hurt anyone.
No doubt Bill. Alot of folks don't even know what it feels like to be totally sinewy and able to pull 14 hour days 6 days a week for years on end and not miss a beat while doing this kind of crazy physical labor....and.feel good all the time. Little pain, and tons of energy. I was there once....then got knocked on my ass. Never got back to the shape I was but, man, those years from 22 to 28 I honest to gosh was nearly invincible.
I logged on the Oregon coast out of good bay in my late teens early twenties. I was definitely in shape and in my prime
At last proper logging and decent music.
@Shifurei The dollars made from falling this timber supports families in Idaho.....and it used to support whole towns. Weippe and Pierce to name a few, not to mention all the saw mills that provide employment for people. I know it kept my family fed for alot of years and I was thankful for it.
A felled tree taken for noble reasons maintains it regal form in the shape of: housing, art and the livelihood of a worker. A tree can be majestic in it's forest enclave, but, I've seen this beauty take on different forms in exquisite joinery which shows in: grand staircases, cabinetry, wood boats, to name a few.
I am grateful to the knowledgeable and skilled few who enable me to touch and create something out of that nobility.
Lots of practice and time in the woods equals a better sawyer...one of these guys still work\s in the woods and everyone I know says that he is one of the best sawyers around cool stuff really.
cut your corner off on the pine.?!?. lol...oops.. nice video... brings back some good memories of times long gone. had a few nice punkins like that up in the selway country working for john schmadeka..
I do this for a hobby. Boy I love it!
I would be embarrassed to associate myself with those clowns on Axemen , Nice video though
The footage in this video is almost as old as me so i really appreciate seeing the old big cedar , never see footage from back then!
@@NewEnglandLogger860
The cedar in this video is in diapers as compared to the real old growth from back in the day..
It’s like a beginning of a movie lol
That tree at 5:16 was clean. Getting the tree to twirl was a neat trick.
Down the hill Bill !!! 😆
lot of shingles from those trees
Shifurei...this video is not for entertainment...it shows logging practices done years ago and the quality of timber available in Idaho...logging is a management practice not destruction...if you have nothing good to say about logging or the people who rely on timber products everyday than don't say anything at all.
Good music for timber cutting!
Logging is just another form of Agriculture. Trees are harvested and then replanted for future use. That’s pretty much all it is
I noticed, those Orange huskies put the trees right where the sawyer gunned them! Now that Stihl gunsite must need to be re sighted in...its WAY off heheheh hahahah just kidding kidding ;) I love the video. Hard working men there no doubt.
100% husqavarnas are the best
I wish I grew up in the 80’s
Sweet vid boys massive timber would love to be that good at cutting and falling keep up the good work
It sat back on him...big trees don't always go where you want them to go...it happens
In Idaho, the sound travels through the air differently and you don't need any hearing protection from the saw. Either that or Husky's that large are quiet enough not to cause damage.
I guess the first saw was a 2100 I later found out and the rest were 288's and the last was a 064
was working for a logging outfit out of Grangeville ID in the summer of 1990. I was a landing bucker. We was working up near Nut Basin also, up toward the upper end of John Day Cr. Seen some big Yellow Pine like that, a few so big that they could only load two long logs onto a truck. That was kinda tricky, using a cable strap with a 410 prentice loader, lifting one end of the log at a time.
ok. lets say you leave these trees. in another 150 years, they will start to have (or will have) rotten core. the trees will rot from the inside out and they will fall down. if we chop them down now, then we get the benefit of using a solid tree. they are no good once they are rotten.
B.L.C AND YOU FOR MAKING THE VIDEO ARE MY HEROS2
sabbie7...have you ever used a paper product before (books, paper towels, checkbook, etc.)?!?! Trees provide materials for us to use and logging is a practice that harvests trees for human purposes. It is a part of life and will be for years to come.
So happy to see our natural resources being used. Now the echo-terrorist have made so many regulations that much of our forest rot or burn
Of course...using good saws makes working in the woods easier.
Yup stuff happens and all you can do is learn from it.
worked out in the blue mtns for jb lumber out of clarkston, never saw timber that big untill went out to forks wa, and those would be small trees out there i cut the last of the best timber on the coast and it ran 250 thousand board feet per acer., it was spruce 4 to 5 40 ft logs per tree. the logger dave westerlund put out 222 loads of logs in 7 days
Odmcarp...I don't want to get into it with you but if you use toilet paper or live in a house that was constructed by wood then you should just keep your mouth shut...these trees were harvest to produce wood products and not fell to kill the trees...educate yourself and think about your belongings that are constructed from wood and be thankful!
FYI these trees were sent off to a timber mill and processed into boards and other general wood products. These trees were not sold to companies who produce wood furniture. The reason I know this is because I personally know the men who fell these trees and where they were taken to.
Nice video. Makes me want to upgrade my saws LOL but then I would have to harvest big timber and I would rather not.
You don't have to be fit to run a chainsaw but you need to be fit to be a logger.
darrenpalms yes sir! That's true.
I have worked in Bush for years,and the toughest bloke i ever worked with was an ex army,not big but just wire and tough,we dropping a real rough block big trees and lots of crap underfoot and steep,and it rained all time,Scotty was loaded up with fuel and wedges and axe 066 mag,and he just go all day,huge stamina and safe,could trust him,seen big muscle mutts barely last the day,no heart...
Yes they do!
They are 288s and the last one is a stihl 064
Is this on the Clearwater forest? I used to work on the Powell district. I miss this area. Too bad logging like this on NF land is a thing of the past due to ignorant econazis.
It's in the St. Joe National Forest.
darrenpalms
been there, done that...that country stands on end in places.. did a job on potlatch ground above the avery ranger station... the first pack in liked to of killed me off..lol.. but that's loggin! i wouldn't have traded it for all the money in the world.. now i'm too fat and busted up .. grrr
good stuff
In their axe sheaths
pulp trees like poplar go to the paper mills, pine and other wood go to the lumber mills, and the species of poplar and are not going extinct anytime soon
Remember these trees are no more than 150 years old (especially the cedar) so this would not be considered old growth forest stands. Yes you could try to set up plantations to try to harvest over and over but plantations take years to establish so new sites have to be cleared to create plantations or new timber. Some of these trees were on Forest Service lands and we probably never been logged again. These man are just trying to make a living and are carrying out their orders.
I was going to say the cedars aren't anything to write home about.. Healthy trees but not even out of diapers as compared to real old growth. Regardless I'd of hired any of the fellows running saws in this video to log on the Olympic Pennisula, WA back in the mid eighties. True loggers at work in this video for sure. Probably eat canned Spotted Owl for lunch..
Many thanks for the upload.
Take care.
mrbluenun
I'v been to idaho alot driving between colorado and oregon and i have yet to see even one tree their let alone timber country so where is this?
Idaho has many hidden wonders you wont see just by driving the freeway..I live in Gooding. Around the twin falls area..And to the south of me is nothing but desert and the Snake River Canyon but just 20 miles north is the Sawtooth National Forest..You really need to venture off the beaten path. You will be impressed.
Andrew Collette where did you go man! the stupid southern part, come up here and this is all there is
went sideways at 4:30 but stuff happens...glad you left it in the vid
+kencanoe Good thing the other guy moved out of there at 3:52
Big slip up at 4:30. She goes off the stump sideways downhill instead of were it should.
Ryan Hudson sawed the corner up too much and the tree sat back...alternative plan went into effect!! 🙂
A man who has never made a mistake has never done anything..
Not only sawed the pull side off, you left a trashcan sized post right where it didn't need to be!
Yea he sawed off too much on the top side but it had a good lane to go down through.
Thats cause it was a stihl.
+Austin Denotter Glad there were some huskies in the vid too!
Joe Walsh legend
when we cut the timber on t he farm they cut as close to the ground as they could. I was watching they didn't do it in the move. a reason for that? thanks for the video
John Moore in the case of the cedars they have have a swollen butt which is trimmed off later so sometimes cutting cedars the "high stump" them a little so it doesn't have to be trimmed later.
Thanks for the reply: we did have that many swollen butts.
yea that's the world we live in. it's all there to comfort our needs. we're the top of the foodchain so we can destroy whatever we want to make our standard of living better. i am part of it, but at times i think it's a fucked up situation.
Yeah, that's a valid point but you can certainly do your part in making it less fucked up, by recycling, reducing your consumption of resources, reducing your impact on this fragile planet. We still need wood that's obvious, people need to repair their roofs with plywood and or cedar shingles. But if you are not recycling, you meaning anyone, then you are not helping.
Ax men is just a title...and if the video doesn't seem legit to you could you post a video of you felling a 3 or 4 foot tree with chainsaw???
How far do they have to truck those large logs???
Mike Treadwell sometimes 3 hours or more!
Where is Lonnie at these days ?
logged all over Idaho is that the date on the vid 1990?
e jacs 89-90
darrenpalms I was a young buck back then too.Great vids,worked a lot in Clearwater outside of elk city and up around Lochsa lodge as well as other parts of Idaho.Those were good days,aiso worked in logging camps all over S.E. Alaska. Being a cutter really enjoy the vids.....thanx.
e jacs I was just a few years old then. It's tough to find timber like this in Idaho anymore.
+darrenpalms yeah I figured that.In icy bay logging camp cut old growth Sitka spruce and hemlock up to 2005 that ended in 2005 when industry collapsed most operations shut down.Always loved working in North Idaho spent my best young working years there.to add a caveat cut up by priest lake on Canadian border really sweet timber there probably alot left your just can't get to it anymore.
@constipatedkangaroo WHY NOT?????
why what??
At 4:40 when the tree went sideways?
Little oops...luckily there was a line for it.
Yep. Shit happens some times.. Nature of the work..
Idaho!
Who cares if he did another will grow???
Man, this is why I tell my kids to get an education. Doing this all day would suck! Oh, well, somebody has to do it I guess.
That is the most fun you could have with your pants on
Why would you have to be fit to use a chainsaw??
Try to run one in 90' weather for a full day and you will understand. If you are not used to it, know what you are doing and are in decent shape you wont make more than a few hours. I guarantee it.
that's because the saw has *more power* than you do.. lol...you have to rassel that pig all day.. and still put enough wood on the ground to make it pay.. so yeah.. you *gotta* be in shape if you're not you go home broke or get in shape *FAST*
my funniest experience was with columbia helicopters on grape mountain on the boise natl for... this big, burly bad ass dude showed up one day and was "gonna show scrawny f&^%kers how it's did" .. he went home at lunch time *bawlin* like a little bitch...
Run a saw for a hour or so straihgt doing firewood and your hands and back hurts. Cant imagine doing it all day long for 8+ hours. Loggers are the most badass people glad to be apart of a family that owned a logging company. My grandma runs a big ass stihl saw still. Splits her own firewood to she is 73. we get the wood and cut to length but she splits it normally. and then packs it to her house. That goes to tell you how badass the older generation is and someone that was a logger. She ran a saw when my grandpa (her husband) had the logging company. Then she ran a front end loader at the mill for a long time.
tank2449 after a while you get used to it. I cut quite a bet of firewood and the first few times are rough. Dad was in pretty good shape when he logged.
darrenpalms
Ive got no problem with it now. that was when i first started running saws about 3 years ago. Since everyone else in my family like my dad grandma and uncle were experienced with saws i was the grunt that loaded the truck and stacked it all nicely to fit as much as possible. And then i acquired a old homelite super xl 12 and got it running and now thats what i use to cut firewood. She is no power house but she is big enough for the firewood size we normally like in our garage but not really big enough for the bigger trees. I have a old johns red that needs a carb rebuild to get her going that is my project this winter. My favorite thing to do during hunting season besides hunting is every time we go out we come home with firewood. I love cutting and splitting firewood its a peaceful thing.
Quite likely those guys are doing a good job falling, but the videos are poorly made.
Well the loggers are taking the videos and it was taken in the late 80s so quality isn't an option 😊
Where do I buy a chainsaw with music, kind of defeats its purpose. Obama would be in seventh heaven, turn up the volume please. Thank God we don’t have that daily mouth to listen to. Vote Trump 2020
Fred Schnepel I can still heard the saws. After listening to a saw for a minute you get the idea 😀...Rocky Mountain way!
poor trees :(
WHY???????
04:30 that's embarrassing....