You probably dont care but if you're stoned like me atm then you can watch pretty much all of the new movies and series on InstaFlixxer. I've been binge watching with my brother these days =)
Your lathe has a ward-Lenard drive. This is a signal amplifier that uses mechanical components to amplify an input signal. A true marvel. It creates a DC voltage to drive the main motor. Otis used ward-Lenard’s in elevators well into the 1980s!
Chuck, Many thanks for this video... this 10EE has lots of functionality I was not aware of... Any more videos on this 10EE would be gratefully received. Take care. Paul,,
I've yet to see a full tour of the 10EE having been made aware of them by Keith Rucker (VintageMachinery.org YT) and it's clear it's an oddball lathe. Keith has one to fix with an AC/DC system but he says electrically it's a mess. Keith may well appreciate some assistance in getting it fixed up in due course.
The trick with the cross feed dial is in setting up for threading. Set the compound to 30 degrees (or a little less) and the dial at zero. Start the lathe and use the cross feed to advance the tool to the work with the stop engaged but the dial lock (lever in front) unlocked. The dial will come up to the stop at 0 but will continue to turn with the dial slipping. Advance the tool until it scratches the work and engage the dial lock. At that point the cross feed and the compounds are both at 0 for turning threads.
Russ...thanks for the view and comments, I believe it is easier to set the stop within range of the work, advance the stop to the dead point, then make the final adjustments with the compound, after touch off, zero the compound and start the threading
the 10EE is so rigid having the compound on it is the weakest link. Ditch the compound and use a rigid toolpost with a multifix holder and straight plunge your threads. no more faffing about with angles.
This is the first 10EE with ELSR that still had the control on the headstock. Every ELSR machine I've ever seen had the headstock switch removed and a blanking plate installed. Coincidentally, I just tore the ELSR housing off my 10EE completely apart last night (less the knob on top - can't get it off) to strip what's left of the burnt-off paint, thoroughly clean & remove any rust from the internal parts, and prep. it for Bondo and paint. My 10EE was in my brother's garage when it burned to the ground. He died before he could submit everything to his insurance company. I don't have the $65,000.00 that Monarch quoted to repair the machine so I'm stuck doing it myself. Arrggh, there is little I dislike doing more in life than bodywork and paint. I've repowered it with a 3.5kW AC Servo motor and drive. It also allowed me to add a true Electronic Lead Screw Reverse to the machine using 2 proximity switches tied into the axis overtravel inputs on the servo drive. With moderate spindle speeds and mass the spindle will stop in 1 revolution or less, typically stopping within a thousandth or so. I could lower that figure by using high precision prox. switches instead of bog standard ones. I'm really looking forward to getting the old girl brought back from the scrap pile, hopefully by this spring. I wish I had the time to document the process with video but it's simply takes way too much time to be setting up cameras and lighting. I've been picking at it for about 2 years as it is, and I really need to get an operable lathe back in the shop. Till she spins again, all I can do is live vicariously thru other's 10EE video's on NannyTube....
Hello Marc, thanks for viewing, the ELSR was added to my lathe by one of the earlier owners along with some re-wiring, hence the double levers (which I like). I would assume you have watched Four Ponds Shop and his rebuilds of 10ee lathes. My condolences regarding your brother, know he is watching you as you get the machine back up running. I certainly understand the time constraint of getting something completed while filming....take care and keep me posted on your completion...
@@outsidescrewball The ELSR added after the fact makes sense, it's a really useful feature to have. No, I haven't watched any of Four Ponds stuff yet, been on the list though. I'm a Machine Tool Technician, I repair CNC machine centers and ancillary equipment at my night job (prefer nights - no bosses giving their 'input' so I can actually get things fixed) so working on a 10EE is relatively easy. The biggest issue has been the cost of parts. Anything to do with a 10EE has skyrocketed over the past 15 years. All the knobs on the gearbox melted, had to pay 35 - 75 a piece on FleaBay for instance. I gave up trying to find the LH | FEED | RH placard for anything under stupid, ended up 3D printing one. Apparently the front set of spindle bearings are over $4000 from Monarch now since the front bearing has a special flange on the front of it. I've been taking a lot of photos during the process and plan on doing a narrated slide show video when it all gets done. That way I can listen to internet experts telling me how I screwed everything up LOL...
@@marcseclecticstuff9497 take a look at a YT channel Daryl Smith, he does similar work, FYI it is possible here in the near future I will be looking at two 10ee lathes, both in pieces as I am told so maybe some parts....
Beautiful piece of equipment Chuck, I can see why so many owners have re-painted in bright colours. I am overwhelmed by the width of the saddle .it sure spreads the contact over a large area. That stopping feature for threading is super slick as well. Enjoyed , cheers!
Thanks for viewing, there are days that I regret not doing a paint job on the machine when I got it, but that is just not me, I kind of like the "worked" look and honestly I don't have to clean as much since I do get lazy...lol
The feature only stops the spindle mechanically with the dogs camming the apron spindle control lever to neutral. The DC spindle motor quickly dynamically brakes to a stop when in neutral. The larger Monarch lead screw reverse option is all mechanical, the spindle continues to run through the cycle. Great video!
Very. very nice machine. Any Monarch is nice, but the !0EE is extra special. Enjoyed the explanation of the threading system overview. Always learn so much from you, even when Charlie interrupts. Take Care and Stay Safe. Bob
Hi, I'm really amazed by that threading stop on the crossslide handwheel. How does it work that you have a defined stop in both directions? Looks like that is really helpful for cutting threads. Never seen something like this on other lathes. Thanks for sharing.
I would love a follow up on cutting multi start threads on the 10EE ELSR. Have you ever cut a three start thread and do you know if its an easy adjustment on the monarch? Cheers from Australia
I've yet to see a full tour of the 10EE having been made aware of them by Keith Rucker (VintageMachinery.org YT) and it's clear it's an oddball lathe. Keith has one to fix with an AC/DC system but he says electrically it's a mess. Keith may well appreciate some assistance in getting it fixed up in due course. I noted your dehumidifier. Do you have that connected to a permanent drain ? Odd how the text lines above have been truncated like that - nothing to do with me - just pasted the text there!
thanks for viewing...don't understand the use of "oddball", but yes there are many variants of this machine. My "permanent drain" is a hose thru the wall to the landscape area...I certainly got tired of having to empty the container...
@@outsidescrewball I bought a similar unit 6 months ago due to the 'weather' getting to machines & tools. It meant leaving the garage powered up all the time and the lean-to greenhouse was fed from the garage but is now completely delapidated. I disconnected the supply to the lean-to - then it rained - and I could hear explosions. It seems unbeknown to anyone, dad did some very unorthodox wiring - so power was still being supplied to the greenhouse despite the feed wire being disconected ! Untill I sort the wiring mess out, both garage and greenhouse are now isolated from mains supply - so the dehimidifier's in the kitchen (draining into the sink!). The 10EE is 'oddball' due to various features - short bed, wide saddle, unconvetional controls on the headstock. The ELSR - is it really electronic ? and what's all the gubbins at the tailstock end ? Many lathes have spindle forward/reverse lever on the apron - so I see absolutely no nned for an additional device at the tailstock ! You just need bed stops that operate the spindle drive control at the apron!
@@outsidescrewball I'd hope my lathe achieves better than that - if I ever get a DRO fitted to it. I've not even got a 10ths DTI It has an unusual trip for the power feed. It's designed so the stop stops the travel then the power feed trips on a designed adjustable overload. But that's for the power feed - it doesn't work for threading !
That is pretty fancy Chuck. Those guys know how to make a lathe. Thanks for the plug for the discussion.
ARW is the place to be....koko
Thank you Chuck. Those are sweet Lathes. Thanks for showing more about the ELSR. Gary
get yours done...LOL
You probably dont care but if you're stoned like me atm then you can watch pretty much all of the new movies and series on InstaFlixxer. I've been binge watching with my brother these days =)
@Gustavo Tomas Yea, I have been using Instaflixxer for since november myself :D
Your lathe has a ward-Lenard drive. This is a signal amplifier that uses mechanical components to amplify an input signal. A true marvel. It creates a DC voltage to drive the main motor. Otis used ward-Lenard’s in elevators well into the 1980s!
Nice . Some great features on that lathe . Cheers .
thanks for viewing Max...atb
Chuck,
Many thanks for this video... this 10EE has lots of functionality I was not aware of... Any more videos on this 10EE would be gratefully received.
Take care.
Paul,,
I've yet to see a full tour of the 10EE having been made aware of them by Keith Rucker (VintageMachinery.org YT) and it's clear it's an oddball lathe. Keith has one to fix with an AC/DC system but he says electrically it's a mess. Keith may well appreciate some assistance in getting it fixed up in due course.
thanks Paul....
The trick with the cross feed dial is in setting up for threading. Set the compound to 30 degrees (or a little less) and the dial at zero. Start the lathe and use the cross feed to advance the tool to the work with the stop engaged but the dial lock (lever in front) unlocked. The dial will come up to the stop at 0 but will continue to turn with the dial slipping. Advance the tool until it scratches the work and engage the dial lock. At that point the cross feed and the compounds are both at 0 for turning threads.
Russ...thanks for the view and comments, I believe it is easier to set the stop within range of the work, advance the stop to the dead point, then make the final adjustments with the compound, after touch off, zero the compound and start the threading
the 10EE is so rigid having the compound on it is the weakest link. Ditch the compound and use a rigid toolpost with a multifix holder and straight plunge your threads. no more faffing about with angles.
This is the first 10EE with ELSR that still had the control on the headstock. Every ELSR machine I've ever seen had the headstock switch removed and a blanking plate installed. Coincidentally, I just tore the ELSR housing off my 10EE completely apart last night (less the knob on top - can't get it off) to strip what's left of the burnt-off paint, thoroughly clean & remove any rust from the internal parts, and prep. it for Bondo and paint. My 10EE was in my brother's garage when it burned to the ground. He died before he could submit everything to his insurance company. I don't have the $65,000.00 that Monarch quoted to repair the machine so I'm stuck doing it myself. Arrggh, there is little I dislike doing more in life than bodywork and paint. I've repowered it with a 3.5kW AC Servo motor and drive. It also allowed me to add a true Electronic Lead Screw Reverse to the machine using 2 proximity switches tied into the axis overtravel inputs on the servo drive. With moderate spindle speeds and mass the spindle will stop in 1 revolution or less, typically stopping within a thousandth or so. I could lower that figure by using high precision prox. switches instead of bog standard ones. I'm really looking forward to getting the old girl brought back from the scrap pile, hopefully by this spring. I wish I had the time to document the process with video but it's simply takes way too much time to be setting up cameras and lighting. I've been picking at it for about 2 years as it is, and I really need to get an operable lathe back in the shop. Till she spins again, all I can do is live vicariously thru other's 10EE video's on NannyTube....
Hello Marc, thanks for viewing, the ELSR was added to my lathe by one of the earlier owners along with some re-wiring, hence the double levers (which I like). I would assume you have watched Four Ponds Shop and his rebuilds of 10ee lathes. My condolences regarding your brother, know he is watching you as you get the machine back up running. I certainly understand the time constraint of getting something completed while filming....take care and keep me posted on your completion...
@@outsidescrewball The ELSR added after the fact makes sense, it's a really useful feature to have. No, I haven't watched any of Four Ponds stuff yet, been on the list though. I'm a Machine Tool Technician, I repair CNC machine centers and ancillary equipment at my night job (prefer nights - no bosses giving their 'input' so I can actually get things fixed) so working on a 10EE is relatively easy. The biggest issue has been the cost of parts. Anything to do with a 10EE has skyrocketed over the past 15 years. All the knobs on the gearbox melted, had to pay 35 - 75 a piece on FleaBay for instance. I gave up trying to find the LH | FEED | RH placard for anything under stupid, ended up 3D printing one. Apparently the front set of spindle bearings are over $4000 from Monarch now since the front bearing has a special flange on the front of it.
I've been taking a lot of photos during the process and plan on doing a narrated slide show video when it all gets done. That way I can listen to internet experts telling me how I screwed everything up LOL...
@@marcseclecticstuff9497 take a look at a YT channel Daryl Smith, he does similar work, FYI it is possible here in the near future I will be looking at two 10ee lathes, both in pieces as I am told so maybe some parts....
Beautiful piece of equipment Chuck, I can see why so many owners have re-painted in bright colours. I am overwhelmed by the width of the saddle .it sure spreads the contact over a large area. That stopping feature for threading is super slick as well. Enjoyed , cheers!
Thanks for viewing, there are days that I regret not doing a paint job on the machine when I got it, but that is just not me, I kind of like the "worked" look and honestly I don't have to clean as much since I do get lazy...lol
The feature only stops the spindle mechanically with the dogs camming the apron spindle control lever to neutral. The DC spindle motor quickly dynamically brakes to a stop when in neutral.
The larger Monarch lead screw reverse option is all mechanical, the spindle continues to run through the cycle. Great video!
thanks for viewing and your comments
Some cool features on that machine, kind of interesting that they run a generator off the main motor for accessories
thanks for viewing and it sure had me confused when I bought it, lucky for me I had knowledgeable friends to assist
Very. very nice machine. Any Monarch is nice, but the !0EE is extra special. Enjoyed the explanation of the threading system overview. Always learn so much from you, even when Charlie interrupts.
Take Care and Stay Safe.
Bob
Robert, thanks for viewing and your comments....I think Charlie is a cousin to Bozo....LOL
repeats within .0002" seems good enough to me. A bit fancier than my Monarchs.
thanks for the visit Brian....
Hi, I'm really amazed by that threading stop on the crossslide handwheel. How does it work that you have a defined stop in both directions? Looks like that is really helpful for cutting threads. Never seen something like this on other lathes. Thanks for sharing.
thanks for viewing....there are stops built into the cross slide handle that are engaged....
I would love a follow up on cutting multi start threads on the 10EE ELSR. Have you ever cut a three start thread and do you know if its an easy adjustment on the monarch? Cheers from Australia
thanks for viewing....never tried a multi start...but I may have to give it a go....
Those are some serious machines. So many flat spots for a mag base! Ahead of their time 😊.
thanks for viewing
I don't think that I ever saw a lathe that size with that large of a carriage. Was the electronic lead screw reversing a option?
Andy, the lathe was not ordered with the elsr when built, a later owner did lots of work to the lathe (rewire etc) and added the unit to the machine
Always wanted one....... what does it weigh. Not often you could improve a machine and decrease your footprint in the same swapout.
3400 pounds without tooling
Russ...has the weight correct...
@@russkepler cool thx. If I ever have the opportunity, I will scoop one of these ee's up. That 4 ponds guy hit the jackpot with his
See you at ARW
thanks...ATB
Chuck it looks like a little bit dirty down there
Thanks for the quick video
thanks for viewing and it is a working machine....and I am lazy!
I've yet to see a full tour of the 10EE having been made aware of them
by Keith Rucker (VintageMachinery.org YT) and it's clear it's an oddball
lathe. Keith has one to fix with an AC/DC system but he says
electrically it's a mess. Keith may well appreciate some assistance in
getting it fixed up in due course.
I noted your dehumidifier. Do you have that connected to a permanent drain ? Odd how the text lines above have been truncated like that - nothing to do with me - just pasted the text there!
thanks for viewing...don't understand the use of "oddball", but yes there are many variants of this machine.
My "permanent drain" is a hose thru the wall to the landscape area...I certainly got tired of having to empty the container...
@@outsidescrewball I bought a similar unit 6 months ago due to the 'weather' getting to machines & tools. It meant leaving the garage powered up all the time and the lean-to greenhouse was fed from the garage but is now completely delapidated. I disconnected the supply to the lean-to - then it rained - and I could hear explosions. It seems unbeknown to anyone, dad did some very unorthodox wiring - so power was still being supplied to the greenhouse despite the feed wire being disconected ! Untill I sort the wiring mess out, both garage and greenhouse are now isolated from mains supply - so the dehimidifier's in the kitchen (draining into the sink!).
The 10EE is 'oddball' due to various features - short bed, wide saddle, unconvetional controls on the headstock.
The ELSR - is it really electronic ? and what's all the gubbins at the tailstock end ? Many lathes have spindle forward/reverse lever on the apron - so I see absolutely no nned for an additional device at the tailstock ! You just need bed stops that operate the spindle drive control at the apron!
Cool machine!👍🏻
thanks for viewing
Another item I need to buy!
get two of them....lol
Nicest lathe I have ever seen.
thanks Randy....visit Four Ponds if you want to see beauty, mine is work horse...lol
So frigon nice I want a 10EE!😣 Maybe you could buy me one for Christmas this year buddy?🤢😣
10:44 It's actually 4 10ths out as it's showing -2 whereas the first time it showed +2 10ths !
sharp eye....LOL, thanks for viewing
@@outsidescrewball I'd hope my lathe achieves better than that - if I ever get a DRO fitted to it. I've not even got a 10ths DTI
It has an unusual trip for the power feed. It's designed so the stop stops the travel then the power feed trips on a designed adjustable overload.
But that's for the power feed - it doesn't work for threading !