proving the limit of a product is the product of the limits, epsilon-delta definition

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  • @blackpenredpen
    @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +23

    Notes for this video are available for my patrons: 👉 www.patreon.com/posts/notes-proof-of-82385985

    • @annaclarafenyo8185
      @annaclarafenyo8185 Рік тому

      This video is nonsense. The proof that the multiplication function is continuous is trivial, and the proof that the composition of continuous functions is continuous is also trivial. (x+epsilon)(y+delta) = x y + epsilon*x + delta*y +epsilon*delta, and all quantities are infinitesimal aside from x*y. This observation can be turned into an epsilon delta proof automatically by rote. It's ridiculous to call this difficult, it's obvious.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому

      @@annaclarafenyo8185 f and g might be discontinuous

    • @annaclarafenyo8185
      @annaclarafenyo8185 Рік тому

      @@blackpenredpen Continuous AT THE POINT means the limit of f equals M and the limit of g equals N, you can set the values to be M and N, and then they are continuous, and the continuous composition of continuous functions is continuous. These methods are formalizations of infinitesimal arguments that are obvious: (f+df)(g+dg)=fg + infinitesimal. There is no work in formalizing this. Making this obvious nonsense sound difficult just serves to mystify epsilon-delta, and make it a hazing ritual rather than a method of proof you internalize.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому

      @@annaclarafenyo8185 f and g don’t need to be continuous at a

    • @annaclarafenyo8185
      @annaclarafenyo8185 Рік тому

      @@blackpenredpen IF YOU DEFINE THEM SO THAT THE LIMIT IS EQUAL, THEY ARE BY DEFINITION CONTINUOUS AT A. You should not be teaching matheamatics.

  • @_4y4m3_ch4n_
    @_4y4m3_ch4n_ Рік тому +113

    27:05 to avoid the 0/0 case, we can simply have epsilon*|L|/[2(|L| + 1)] < epsilon*(|L| + 1)/[2(|L| + 1)] = epsilon/2, and the solution is unaffected in any way ^^

  • @what_a_lame_tag_system
    @what_a_lame_tag_system Рік тому +344

    You know something is wrong when bprp doesn't use whiteboard for proof

    • @andreasxfjd4141
      @andreasxfjd4141 Рік тому +6

      Simply if he doesn’t use a whiteboard (than something has changed)

    • @akasunanosasori7547
      @akasunanosasori7547 Рік тому +5

      Actually my teacher showed us this proof in grade 11, I don’t think it’s too hard (now we weren’t supposed to learn the proof but showed us nonetheless)

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +57

      I needed to keep everything on the board for this video thus I chose the iPad route 😆

    • @Paul-ob2hy
      @Paul-ob2hy Рік тому +2

      @@blackpenredpenwhat app did you use on your ipad? would it be good for notes at university?

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +16

      @@Paul-ob2hy I never took notes on an iPad when I was a student. However, I have been using the app "Good Notes" and I have been loving it!

  • @CallMeIshmael999
    @CallMeIshmael999 Рік тому +11

    This is one of the more complicated proofs of basic analysis facts and I've never really had a good intuition for the quantities that come up in the proof, so thank you for doing a good job of talking through it.

  • @somerapdude
    @somerapdude Рік тому +15

    Not to kiss your behind or whatever, but this is the most helpful channel I’ve ever found when it comes to helping me with my EXTREMELY hard math class

  • @epsilia3611
    @epsilia3611 Рік тому +13

    26:07 I saw some people trying to explain how we don't have to bother about the |L|=0 case in a certain way, but in the end :
    We know that |L| < [L|+1 for any real number L. So |L|/(|L|+1) < 1 as a consequence. Multiplying each sides by eps/2 (> 0) guarantees us the result !
    Edit : Nevermind it has been said by multiple people already, my bad

  • @thatonemailbox
    @thatonemailbox Рік тому +30

    1:28 This is the best explanation of the epsilon-delta definition of limits I have ever seen. Everything for me just clicked once I saw this. You're an awesome teacher!

  • @cgandcats
    @cgandcats 2 місяці тому +2

    Thank you very much!!! I Found this proof in Spivak's book but I was not getting how it was done and after watching your video now is all clear to me. Love you!

  • @tzovgo
    @tzovgo Рік тому +20

    26:27 You don't have to cancel two zeros if you add 1 to |L|, proving that step rigorously!
    |L| * (epsilon)/(|L|+1) < (|L| + 1) * (epsilon)/(|L|+1) = (epsilon)/2

    • @keedt
      @keedt Рік тому +1

      was going to write this 👍.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +4

      Ah yes. I didn’t think of that. Thanks for letting me know.

    • @Apollorion
      @Apollorion Рік тому

      tzovgo, you made a little mistake in the formula, which I didn't notice at first, neither did, I presume, BPRP. We both understood what you meant, but you forgot to put the 2 in the denominator whenever |L| was present in the quotient. This is what it should be:
      epsilon*|L|/[2(|L| + 1)] < epsilon*(|L| + 1)/[2(|L| + 1)] = epsilon/2

  • @mariannelee9594
    @mariannelee9594 Рік тому +3

    I'm graduating soon in Mechanical Engineering and I just have to say your channel is the best! You've helped me so much!

  • @yohangross5518
    @yohangross5518 Рік тому +2

    extremely good job and explanations. As a new online teacher, I find your content really inspiring. I now recognize that I mimic a lot your teaching style. Keep up the good job !

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +1

      Thank you for your kind words. Wishing you all the best! : )

  • @jvthunder6548
    @jvthunder6548 Рік тому +16

    I remember getting this question in my university practice and getting the proof myself is so satisfying!

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +3

      the moment we draw that box at the very end!!

  • @martinepstein9826
    @martinepstein9826 Рік тому +2

    I prefer to use epsilon-delta arguments only in the simplest cases. For example,
    - A sum of two functions approaching 0 approaches 0
    - A function approaching 0 times a bounded function approaches 0
    Now f can be expressed as L plus a function approaching 0, and g can be expressed as M plus a function approaching 0. You can just multiply it out and see that the product is LM plus a function approaching 0 i.e. the limit of the product is LM.

  • @titan1235813
    @titan1235813 Рік тому +1

    Bprb, WHAT AN AWESOME PROOF! Even though it turned out to be a very difficult one, I understood every step of it, and that's because you are en EXCELLENT TEACHER. Thank you! 🙏🏻

  • @Maths_3.1415
    @Maths_3.1415 Рік тому +11

    This is blackpenredpenbluepengreenpen and yellow highlighter

  • @thexoxob9448
    @thexoxob9448 Місяць тому +1

    The thing is you see, for the initial limit isn't using the product rule for limits, it's just substituting that c value for every instance of x

  • @thexoxob9448
    @thexoxob9448 13 годин тому

    26:26 You can reason that abs(L) < abs(L) + 1, and since the epsilon fraction is positive, sign holds

  • @scottleung9587
    @scottleung9587 Рік тому +1

    Wow - this takes me back to my modern analysis course in college. I'll never forget how brutal that was. But good job with the proof!

  • @srikanthtupurani6316
    @srikanthtupurani6316 Рік тому +2

    Main trick is writing g(x) as
    g(x) -M+M after this there is no need to worry about the term f(x) g(x). It is all about being careful. We have to adjust things.

  • @yanceyward3689
    @yanceyward3689 Рік тому

    I have always loved working out these fundamental proofs. I actually did this particular one out just a few months ago working through my Schaum's Calculus workbook. I didn't think it was particularly difficult- the really key insight is that addition/subtraction trick that allows the breaking apart of the functions, but it is a common technique in algebra, so came to me almost instantly.

  • @darkdelphin834
    @darkdelphin834 Рік тому +1

    You are looking CLEAN on the thumbnail man. Nice

  • @rmlu9767
    @rmlu9767 Рік тому +2

    I think the easiest way to think about the 0/0 part is: if |L|=0, then |L|*epsilon/(2*(|L|+1))=0 which is definitely smaller than epsilon/2.

    • @Apollorion
      @Apollorion Рік тому +1

      Not greater, smaller: 0 is the smallest non-negative real number!

    • @rmlu9767
      @rmlu9767 Рік тому

      @@Apollorion thank you. Corrected.

  • @henrybarber288
    @henrybarber288 Рік тому +1

    You could also just prove the rule for limits of sequences, and then use the sequential definition of the limit to get the same result for limits of functions.
    Another approach would be to prove the result in the special case L = 0 = M. This is quite simple as you just choose δ such that
    |x - a| < δ ⇒ |f(x)| , |g(x)| < √ε
    Then for the more general case define new functions:
    F = f - L, G = g - M
    Now the limit of both F and G is just zero, so the limit of FG is zero. Do a bit of expanding and out comes that the limit of fg is LM.

  • @afrolichesmain777
    @afrolichesmain777 Рік тому +6

    26:30 I think it would be a clearer explanation to simply state that for all values of L, |L| < |L| + 1. Diving both sides by |L| + 1 gives [ |L| / (|L| +1) ] < 1, so you have [ |L|*eps / 2*(|L| + 1) ] < eps/2. Great video! Haven’t seen this proof since my undergrad in 2018.

    • @Ninja20704
      @Ninja20704 Рік тому +2

      That’s what i was thinking too. If we regroup the terms as
      [eps/2][|L|/|L|+1]

  • @qianxiaogouQy
    @qianxiaogouQy 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank u so muchhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! U save me life by this wonderful video, thank uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @justinyoung4381
    @justinyoung4381 Рік тому +4

    Alternative idea: Prove that the multiplication map (x,y) -> xy, is continuous R^2 -> R, which isn't that hard. Then, the result follows easily.

    • @justinyoung4381
      @justinyoung4381 Рік тому +2

      On second thought, it's more or less the same as your proof, but seems simpler because of the removal of f(x) and g(x).

  • @marble17
    @marble17 Рік тому +1

    Seeing math makes me remembers when i find the answer
    Like "I have 9 numbers, the first 5 numbers has a mean of 12, while the last 4 numbers has a mean of 3, what is the mean of all 9 numbers"
    And thats when i realise i can just do (5 × 12 + 4 × 3) ÷ 9 and got 8

  • @piotrskalski1477
    @piotrskalski1477 Рік тому +1

    I know the one for sequences and it is quite hard. I had to make my own one because I couldn't remember the one from the lecture. Anyway, from that you can easily arrive at the one for functions thanks to the sequence definition of a limit

  • @BedrockBlocker
    @BedrockBlocker Рік тому +1

    That is why you derive the sequence criterion for limits, and then you can use the easier to prove limit theorems.

  • @feuerrm
    @feuerrm Рік тому +1

    Flashbacks to Real Analysis I where our professor wanted us to figure out how to do this proof on our own *shudders*

  • @harshadbalaji7544
    @harshadbalaji7544 Рік тому +1

    THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND I HAVE GOT 83 PERCENTAGE AND 99 IN CS
    VERY THANKFUL TO THE WONDERFUL TEACHERS

    • @robertveith6383
      @robertveith6383 Рік тому

      Stop yelling your post in all caps. It is rude.

  • @orenfivel6247
    @orenfivel6247 Рік тому

    PF of "as x→a, f(x)/g(x)→L/M" directly is also "hard".
    "directly" i mean without proving the special case "as x→a, 1/g(x)→1/M" and using prada law for f(x)/g(x)=f(x)*[1/g(x)]

  • @dulot2001
    @dulot2001 Рік тому +1

    You can simplify the proof by using the lemma :
    lim_(x->a)f(x)=L iff there exists K>0 s.t. for all epsilon >0 there exists delta s.t |x-a| |f(x)-L|

  • @eduardvelasco1
    @eduardvelasco1 Рік тому

    The example needs not the propiety, the function is continous therefore the limit converges to the value

  • @mcalkis5771
    @mcalkis5771 Рік тому +1

    This video is filled with tasty _rigor_
    I love it...
    Make more of these please

  • @maelhostettler1004
    @maelhostettler1004 Рік тому

    I find it easier in the general case of a finite dimension vectorial space like R^n and considering a subordinate norm which is sub-multiplicative... Of course you need a bit of topology but the proof is just much nice

  • @aryankushwaha7028
    @aryankushwaha7028 Рік тому +2

    Sir if we have to prove cone curve surface area then its can be prove by like this ,we take a triangle in it and move about dy angle from central then on cover surface area there would be a thin triangle and bease would be r× dy(it approximately be taken as straight line in calculus)and height lateral height L then area of that triangle would be 1/2×r×dy×L and when we intergrate it with limits 0 to 2pie our answer is pie ×r×L, sir does this is correct , and dy×r is straight line

  • @JayTemple
    @JayTemple Рік тому +2

    Once you have delta-1 and delta-2, do you even need delta-3? That is, can’t you take min(delta1, delta2) and leave it at that?

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +1

      Yes, bc I used the given limits for three different ineq in the blue part.

  • @ahlamouldkhesal5562
    @ahlamouldkhesal5562 Рік тому +1

    Fun fact we in Algeria we study real analysis in the first year of bachelor degree

  • @Maths_3.1415
    @Maths_3.1415 Рік тому +4

    Please make a tutorial on how you switch your markers on this board

    • @epsilia3611
      @epsilia3611 Рік тому

      I didn't know you were a genius in humour too mister

    • @Maths_3.1415
      @Maths_3.1415 Рік тому

      ​@@epsilia3611 thank you 😅

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +1

      waiting for someone to buy me another apple pencil lol

    • @Maths_3.1415
      @Maths_3.1415 Рік тому +1

      ​@@blackpenredpen 😂

  • @calculus988
    @calculus988 Рік тому +2

    Blackpenredpen can you do a proof of descartes rule of signs. I'm starving for that proof. You would explain the proof very easily. 😢

  • @gbessinpenieleliezerhoumba3337

    Hi dear Professor, I have a topic that might interest you and I would like to see a video about it:
    PROVE THAT FOR EVERY REAL NUMBER NOT A MULTIPLE OF 2 CONTAINS IN ITS DECOMPOSITION AT LEAST ONE ODD NUMBER

  • @decare696
    @decare696 Рік тому

    Using nonstandard analysis, this theorem becomes quite easy to prove:
    Start with lim(x->a) f(x)g(x) =: A.
    For any nonzero infinitesimal h, we have
    A = st(f(a+h)g(a+h)).
    But since
    L = lim(x->a) f(x) = st(f(a+h)) and
    M = lim(x->a) g(x) = st(g(a+h))
    for any nonzero infinitesimal h, there are infinitesimals k,l for which
    f(a+h) = L + k and
    g(a+h) = M + l.
    This directly implies
    A = st((L+k)(M+l)) = st(LM +kM + lL + kl) = LM.
    QED

  • @theproofessayist8441
    @theproofessayist8441 Рік тому +2

    Zero pairs are evil period for me - this is why I liked when Dr Peyam did the proof for derivative of product rule he drew a bunch of quadrilaterals within quadrilaterals and subtracted them out. - only caveat is you need to suspend disbelief that this does not work just for positive but negative area (and functions as well).

  • @silver6054
    @silver6054 Рік тому +2

    Back in the day when I used to have to do such proofs, I was irritated by the need to "edit" the proof after completing it, so choosing epsilon/3 for example, as the last line added three such terms. It makes the proof more "magical" for those trying to read it ("Why epsilon/3!!!!") After all, anyone who understands the limit/continuity/whatever definitions understands that "< 3*epsilon" is as good as "< epsilon" given the arbitrary choice of epsilon in the first place.

    • @theproofessayist8441
      @theproofessayist8441 Рік тому

      Lol I was lazy and sometimes said you see how all the lines of deduction are in order when thinking from scratch and stuff - told the professor in comments please read from bottom to top in reverse. They said no - you have to rewrite the entire proof again. I found that was annoying.

  • @blakedylanmusic
    @blakedylanmusic Рік тому +1

    When I did an online real analysis class the professor only proved this for limits of sequences. Then after that he didn’t bother proving it explicitly for limits of functions, rather he used the sequential characterization of limits to be like “we did this already” lol. I don’t blame him for not wanting to go through this again honestly!

    • @blakedylanmusic
      @blakedylanmusic Рік тому +1

      Also for the |L|/(1+|L|) thing, you could also break it into cases, ie if |L| = 0 then of course ε|L|/2(1+|L|) = 0 < ε/2. Then in the case |L| is nonzero you do what you showed in the video.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +1

      In fact, I should have done it as (like many people who have already pointed out)
      |L|/(|L|+1) < (|L|+1)/(|L|+1) = 1
      I couldn't believe I didn't think of that when I was working this out lol

    • @blakedylanmusic
      @blakedylanmusic Рік тому

      @@blackpenredpen honestly as a grad student in math, I feel like that a lot 😂😂😂 I’ll spend hours trying to come up with a certain proof and then when I look at my professors solution I’m like “why didn’t I think of that” hahaha

  • @Ferraco05
    @Ferraco05 Рік тому +1

    The last step can be easily justified by noticing
    ε|L|/[2(|L|+1)] = (ε/2)[|L|/(|L|+1)]
    and also
    |L|/(|L|+1) < 1
    This is true even when L=0. Therefore
    ε|L|/[2(|L|+1)] < ε/2
    QED lol
    Edit: I realized afterwards many others explained this already or similar arguments haha but yeah the proof is sound, was really nice following it till the end

  • @joshmckinney6034
    @joshmckinney6034 Рік тому +1

    Omg I can’t believe I actually understood all of this!

  • @amr0733
    @amr0733 Рік тому

    try finding the values for a, b and c when
    f(x)=ax^2+bx+c
    f(A)=B
    f(C)=D
    f(E)=F
    I did this equation myself and the answer is very long

  • @sharadvyas2025
    @sharadvyas2025 Рік тому

    I'll ask you a question
    What is -ln(-1) =?
    A . iπ
    B . -iπ
    C. A ans B both
    D. Can't possible
    E. None of the above
    I am not testing you but by watching just your videos i got that question in my mind

  • @chahine__8296
    @chahine__8296 4 місяці тому

    Amazing video, thank you so much

  • @lychenus
    @lychenus Рік тому +2

    this is very easily taught in asia. its just that NA students arent exposed to inequality too much.

  • @jimallysonnevado3973
    @jimallysonnevado3973 Рік тому

    if |L| = 0 the expression is 0 and is definitely less than epsilon/2 (because epsilon is positive and half of it is still positive), otherwise |L|/(|L|+1) is less than 1 so the second expression is also less than epsilon/2.

  • @cruzcostilla9796
    @cruzcostilla9796 Рік тому

    Hi Blackpenredpen. Make a video demonstrating why π is irrational. I am subscribed to your channel, very good videos. Greetings from Mexico

  • @aosidh
    @aosidh Рік тому

    I was just trying to remember this proof! (with some difficulty after ~15 years 😅)

  • @tifn4g190
    @tifn4g190 Рік тому +3

    for me the worst in maths is when you have to prove an evidence (1+1=2)... Great video by the way

  • @alevelmathsmastery
    @alevelmathsmastery Рік тому +1

    Next video: 100 matrix transformation and eigenvalue questions

  • @blackplays4452
    @blackplays4452 Рік тому

    I feel like its kind of the engineer way how you explain the first example. A (for me nicer way of justifying this is by setting: h(x)=f(x)g(x), and assume they are continuous, which implies, that the limit for all a (exept infinity) exists. Now we can use sequence continuity by saying: lim ( f(x)g(x) )= lim h(x)=h( lim x ) = f( lim x )g( lim x). And we are done. I am of course assuming that you need to know about sequence continuity, but this should be more elementary than limit to some random point a, where you often have some 0/0 or infinity/infinity problems :)

  • @ignassablinskas9175
    @ignassablinskas9175 11 місяців тому

    Great explanation.

  • @tunafllsh
    @tunafllsh Рік тому

    Using 1 is nice. I used to introduce another constant something epsilon2

  • @armanavagyan1876
    @armanavagyan1876 Рік тому

    I liked how U say ah ah fells so good😂😂😂

  • @tunafllsh
    @tunafllsh Рік тому

    I remember when I first watched bprp I was in high school and didn't know many things. Now I can be more rigor than bprp.

  • @MasterHigure
    @MasterHigure Рік тому +1

    0:45 Does the limit of x as x approaches 3 exist? Yes, it does. How do we know? Epsilon-delta time!

  • @mw21016
    @mw21016 13 днів тому

    You are the man.

  • @justkarl2922
    @justkarl2922 Рік тому

    There is a subtle mistake because just because the function f and g converge to certain values L and M that doesn't mean there continous only if the value of the function is the same as the limit so L should be f(a) and M=g(a) but okay. shorter proof: Because f and g are continous they're bounded in a little neighbourhood around "a". We can find a bounding constant for both of them: ∃M>0: |f|,|g|0 and because f and g are supposed as continous functions we find a delta for both of them such that |f(x)-f(a)|

  • @tobybartels8426
    @tobybartels8426 Рік тому +2

    This is why we have these theorems in the first place, right? You don't want to go through this ε-δ stuff every single time, so you go through it *once,* to prove the theorem, and afterwards just use the theorem.

    • @tobybartels8426
      @tobybartels8426 Рік тому

      @LeftRight : That's true, but even those are closer to the general proof for multiplication that we did, than to the specific proof for x√(x+1) that we avoided. (Besides, if we really prove all the theorems that calculus students implicitly rely on, for addition, multiplication, powers, trig functions, etc, then we'll have gotten plenty of practice.)

  • @davidbrisbane7206
    @davidbrisbane7206 Рік тому +4

    Great explanation. Technical requirements explained so well that a 14 year old could understand it 👍.

  • @abhinavraj4845
    @abhinavraj4845 Рік тому +8

    Woahh......I feel smarter

  • @yanceyward3689
    @yanceyward3689 Рік тому

    Here is how I broke up the functions:
    |f(x)g(x)-LK| < ε3
    Add and subtract 2LK, and add and subtract [Kf(x) + Lg(x)] to get
    |f(x)g(x)-Kf(x)-Lg(x)+LK+Kf(x)-LK+Lg(x)-LK| < ε3
    |[f(x)-L][g(x)-K]+K[f(x)-L]+L[g(x)-K]|< ε3
    From here, you break it apart using the triangle inequality which gives eventually
    |f(x)g(x)-LK|< ε1ε2 + |K|ε1 + |L|ε2

  • @rakrius7839
    @rakrius7839 Рік тому

    Do more proofs please. ❤

  • @phantienminhthuy3805
    @phantienminhthuy3805 6 місяців тому +1

    awesome!!

  • @shashikr814
    @shashikr814 Рік тому

    Can you make Differentiation and integration basics concepts for beginners.
    I'm unable to understand it in my school.

  • @theoriginyt4869
    @theoriginyt4869 Рік тому +5

    Now proof that the proof is 1618 times harder than the calculation

    • @Apollorion
      @Apollorion Рік тому +1

      ..and not 1619 or 1617 times harder.

  • @happy.5
    @happy.5 Рік тому

    Give suggestion to study PDE , Its hard to grasp its concepts

  • @sebgor2319
    @sebgor2319 Рік тому

    Could you prove that integral of e^(-x^2) has no solution in elementary functions?

  • @kodadmrx5859
    @kodadmrx5859 Рік тому +1

    Please integrate this hard problem :
    İntegral ln(x)ln(1-x)/(1+x²) dx borders 0 to 1 😓😓

  • @aakifrehman8150
    @aakifrehman8150 Рік тому +2

    What videos is he referring to, where he has explained the epsilon-delta.

    • @Theraot
      @Theraot Рік тому

      ua-cam.com/video/DdtEQk_DHQs/v-deo.html

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому

      See links in description 😃

  • @ChaoticMagnet
    @ChaoticMagnet Рік тому +1

    How about:
    dy/d(dy/dx) = y

  • @tapu_
    @tapu_ Рік тому +1

    1+1=2 also hard to prove if you look in uni books

  • @lawrencejelsma8118
    @lawrencejelsma8118 Рік тому

    I don't remember L'Hopital's Rule being so difficult needing f(x)/h(x) when there is a numerator and denominator limit of the form f(x>a)g(x>a) 😬🤣

  • @serae4060
    @serae4060 Рік тому +1

    Let ɛ < 0

  • @sitienlieng
    @sitienlieng Рік тому

    Nice proof! We can also let |g(x)-M|

  • @dipun4849
    @dipun4849 Рік тому

    Sir,I try this as a undergraduate(12th) student but I can't. And also want to prove derivative of u/v and uv rule. Love from India.

  • @armanavagyan1876
    @armanavagyan1876 Рік тому

    Thanks PROF)

  • @tunafllsh
    @tunafllsh Рік тому

    27:00 this part is simple. Notice |L|/(|L|+1) < 1

  • @ahlamouldkhesal5562
    @ahlamouldkhesal5562 Рік тому

    We allwayse proof the limits using the defenition of limits

  • @christophniessl9279
    @christophniessl9279 Рік тому

    If |L| = 0 then obviously |L|*|g(x)-M| =0 since this is 0 multiplied with something. And 0 is always less than ε/2 since ε is positive. For |L| >0 the shown method works.

  • @boltez6507
    @boltez6507 Рік тому +2

    I always though this was obvious,and therefore non provable😅

  • @armanavagyan1876
    @armanavagyan1876 Рік тому

    PROF thinked this better than blackboard.

  • @pauselab5569
    @pauselab5569 Рік тому

    tried that during class. wasted 30 minutes, not sure if my proof works, there might be an easy proof that doesn't even rely on delta epsillon:(. guess imma post my proof on reddit and hope for the best.

  • @gytoser801
    @gytoser801 Рік тому

    What is the name of the whiteboard program??

  • @michaelbaum6796
    @michaelbaum6796 Рік тому

    Excellent explanation 👍

  • @Daniel-oy2he
    @Daniel-oy2he Рік тому

    😂Is that a Monty Python joke? 1618, a movie about the Spanish Inquisition?
    ETA: |L|/(|L|+1) < 1 since |L| < |L|+1. No shenanigans necessary. Great video.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Рік тому +1

      No, 1618 is 1000*φ, the golden ratio 😃

    • @Daniel-oy2he
      @Daniel-oy2he Рік тому +1

      @@blackpenredpen Ah, nice. I didn't expect that or the Spanish Inquisition.

  • @flowingafterglow629
    @flowingafterglow629 Рік тому

    Why do you always indicate that |x-a| > 0? Is that only to specify that x=/= a?

    • @Zephei
      @Zephei Рік тому

      Well, x ≠ a is equivalent to |x-a| > 0, which is part of the definition of a limit.

  • @Ninja20704
    @Ninja20704 Рік тому

    Can I ask, how do we use the epsilon-delta defn to prove a limit than involves x-> +/- infinity? Because infinity is not a number so we cant say a=+/-inf. Or is there a different definition we have to use?
    Thank you in advance

    • @thatapollo7773
      @thatapollo7773 Рік тому

      I will give an example
      Say we need to prove lim x->+inf 1/x = 0
      We need to show that for all epsilon > 0
      There exists delta st. For all x>delta(THE KEY DIFFRENCE)
      f(x) - 0 < epsilon

    • @SatanicNerfd
      @SatanicNerfd Рік тому

      One way to see this is by substituting y=1/x and take the limit y->0

    • @Ninja20704
      @Ninja20704 Рік тому

      @@thatapollo7773 Thank you. But it should be |f(x)-0|

    • @vonneumann6161
      @vonneumann6161 Рік тому +1

      Yes, there are different definitions for all of those. For example, if you want to prove lim[x->a]f(x) = +infinity, you have to show that for any M there exists some delta>0 such that if |x-a| < delta then f(x) > M. It’s similar to epsilon-N definition. It’s a bit different when a = +/- infinity and all the other versions but they’re all basically the same.

    • @thatapollo7773
      @thatapollo7773 Рік тому

      ​@@Ninja20704 yes, I forgot to put the absolute value

  • @MathOrient
    @MathOrient Рік тому +1

    👍

  • @hatnoob7068
    @hatnoob7068 Рік тому

    Next video: Polynomial division?

  • @JM-us3fr
    @JM-us3fr Рік тому

    Now do the Chain Rule 😅

  • @AxelGuillemette
    @AxelGuillemette Рік тому

    This actually pretty a basic proof you could even do it in a normal Vector Space it's the same thing

  • @mgancarzjr
    @mgancarzjr Рік тому

    "The proof is left as an exercise for the professor."