Aircraft of the future: The race for electric aviation | DW News
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- With electric cars a growing presence on the roads, how about aircraft becoming cleaner too? "Alice" has a range of over 400 miles with her two motors. Major logistics companies are already taking an active interest.
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I like that the design allows to swap batteries in a relatively easy way. There is lots to love about this airplane
Yes, and also a potential 'survivability' advantage by kicking/releasing a side wall emergency to dump any burning battery pack (already x times less chance of fire than engines)...totally impossible with fossil fuel containers in the wings and under belly.
@@kotgc7987 If the chemistry is LiFePo4(not NMC Li-Ion), it can't catch on fire(it can go up to 200C and smoke, in the worst scenario, but doesn't interact with oxygen like NMC), it's literally acting as an additional structure in case of an accident.
Thanks for the reminder, I've heard lithium batteries have no thermal runaway, unlike engine vehicles.@@aliancemd
Exactly, with a reduction in fuel consumption/costs hopefully smaller cheaper regional flights will be more of a thing. Like more direct city to city flights without having connections to cities out of the way of the direct flight path.
problem will be definitely landing with el. airplanes
nowadays they rely on that airplane lands with empty tank so its lighter with batteries you have almost constant weight
Every time battery tec gets an upgrade the plane will just get better
Right on - more density means less weight
Never better than turbine engines, no one wants to fly as slow as a car
Yes but not enough. It needs to get about a hundred times better to EQUAL jet fuel. Let me know when that happens... Electric planes are a pipe dream for all but small low range niche applications.
@@davidkavanagh189 you mean only good for general aviation but not full commercial flights
It will have to be a lot better, lighter, and safer before I will risk my pilots certificate. 0:54
Why don't they say the truth up front. IT IS CHEAPER !!!. Jet Fuel is friggen expensive. The maintenance is a fraction of the price.
Nah I wouldn’t be trusting a battery to run a plane 😂
@@brianellis6880why?
@@christowilliam21 because stone cold said so
It's not zero emissions
It runs on electricity
Something has to generate that electricity
People are flat out lying
You know you can generate electricity from thin air or sun light just like in Europe. But in US you will always burn gas, coal, oil because US always goes different just like the imperial system
You are absolutely right.
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream.
The electricity network is getting cleaner every day with more and more renewables and some nuclear power.
@@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driverpeople said that about tesla too.
It's perfect, now. But when Chinese start to mas-produce them, we will say that electric airplanes are not good 😂
Look how they de populised the hoverboard and with mass rushed production with greed the device it self set on fire. I wonder if it will happen the same with these plane.
When the Chinese start copying them they will start coming down on top of our heads 😂😂😂
@@jesusrosales9263 no no, that is Boeing that's falling apart 😉
@@jesusrosales9263Chinese don’t need to copy anyone. Look at all the western universities and the research they publish. All Chinese surnames lol.
Glad to see it finally about to be operational.
Note, for the operator, much lower maintenance costs are as important as lower fuel cost.
I always thought of that for cars but I never thought about that for planes. Aside from a battery failure there's really nothing that can go wrong (from a thrust standpoint).
@@grantlauzon5237 battery fires are no joke especially on aircraft
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream. And btw, there is no man made climate change... and CO2 is NOT a problem we can or should solve. Regards from the reality, the cockpit of a Jumbojet.
@@bishop51807 fuel fires are no joke either and a real risk when planes crash. Fires in general are bad. Battery tech is evolving rapidly to make fuel fires less likely and certainly less explosive that fuel fires. Fuel fires in cars, trucks, etc. are actually the #1 reason for fire trucks to be called out. That's how common they are.
Of course, the suggestion that putting fuel that you intentionally burn in a combustion engine is somehow safer from a fire safety point of view than a battery is kind of ridiculous when you think about it. Fuel fires are problem that batteries can solve. Some batteries do burn. And some batteries are more prone to this than others. I'd say the kind of battery that survives certification is not very likely to be the type that spontaneously combusts.
@@JillesvanGurp Agreed, however I would caviet that witht the fact that battery fires burn hotter and for longer so depending on the situation they can still be more dangerious than hydrigon or kerosine.
They can also due mid flight recharge with drone recharge interception like they refuel for jet fuel aircraft. I’m working on this technology with other companies and investors $
This is interesting from the perspective of many smaller, regional airports and their proximity to residential areas. Regulations in the US prevent them from being used more due to noise and air pollution. This could take the air brakes off an entire market segment.
I wish more folks would/could look past their cynicism and see that it solves problems other than promising to lower our collective carbon footprint - even though that is important, and if this helps with that, heck yea!
Noise is a problem with ALL elwctric vehicles. They're WAY TOO QUIET!
The same is true for electric cars as well. All everybody's talking about is their positive impact on the climate, which is awesome, but there's so much more about them. Cleaner air especially in cities, less noise pollution (again, mostly in cities, the tires are usually the loudest part of a car above 50km/h), mechanically much simpler cars with less moving parts, a smooth and quiet ride for passengers, the option to charge it at home, and - in the future - possibly insane range due to battery improvements.
I wonder however, how much of the noise coming from an airplane originates with the prop, rather than the engine. Electric planes may not be as quiet as we hope.
It was a good idea but the cynicism for me comes from corporations. It Doesn't help the case for electrification that one of the biggest electric automobile manufacturers became a butthole.
As it stands this is just a toy for the 1% tho, it carries way too few people to a distance that can easily be covered by trains at a fraction of the cost. Interesting for sure but the real impact will be having it for trans atlantic or long distance commercial flights
6:25 CCS2 charging.
Something good
Very cool and good charge time!
LoL 😂
An aircraft that uses coal powered electricity from the utility company probably isn't carbon neutral.
yes thats true but you can also make electricity from renweable sorces like wind solar hydroelectric geothermal etc
please... this dumb argument is so pointless, we had this 15 years ago with EVs, and still people use this nonsense.
EVs and electric planes save 70% energy compared to combustion engines, so even if it would be powered by coal it would still be a huge benefit, but same as EVs obviously we will charge them with renewables.
The amount of coal power in the US electricity grid has been in steady decline since 2008. Granted, most of it was replaced by natural gas but that is still twice as good as coal. Eventually nat gas will be replaced by renewables.
The coal argument is ridiculous, as renewables are growing from day to day, and coal powerplants will go away pretty soon.
And even if you power an EV or an electric plane with 100% coal power it is still much more environmentally friendly than the ICE version.
@@chriswilliams8607so what in your opinion does.the future look like? In terms of replacing said coal or even natural gas energy sources, what would be replacing it? And Secondly after that what would countries like Chnia and India be doing in reference to coal burning plants.
It is interesting that a company is now working on getting FAA certification for an electric airplane. Unfortunately a number of the problems that electric cars have, these electric airplanes will have the same problems. One problem is the mining of all the materials, such as lithium, nickel and cobalt that are needed for the batteries has environmental impacts. Also as the airplane gets older its travel range will decrease. Also airports will need to add all this electrical plane charging infrastructure. Also like electric cars this will increase the demand for electricity and more electricity generating stations will need to be added some that burn natural gas, and fuel oil to generate electricity. Also we have had electric car batteries undergo thermal runaway and start on fire. This problem can occur with electric airplanes. Also these airplanes will not run well in cold weather with cold batteries. Also the travel range of these airplanes will always be considerably less than airplanes running on jet fuel and aviation gas. So electric airplanes are not a completely nice thing.
All of the “issues” you mention are non-stoppers in my opinion.
Have you ever considered that fuel explodes? It’s like really really flammable… As we start deploying these technologies we’ll learn more about what needs to happen and how. Do not forget just a couple of decades ago, operating kerosene jet engines, leaks, explosions, pumping, exhausts, noise, etc were also all big issues…
I wouldn’t worry too much about thermal runaway, if we can get explosions under control sure we can learn to thermally manage metal cilindres (or battery pouches/boxes)
We don’t need to add extra electricity generating from burning sources; deployment of renewables is stopping new energy demands and will likely reduce emissions worldwide this year. Something all airports have in common are huge flat roofs, I wonder what could we do to generate that electricity…
Also did you know that cobalt and other rare earths are used to refine gasoline, diesel and other oil products ?
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream. And btw, there is no man made climate change... and CO2 is NOT a problem we can or should solve. Regards from the reality, the cockpit of a Jumbojet.
400 km is not 400 miles.
In Germany, the metric system is used. 400 * 0.6 = 240 miles. This distance is not significant, and the takeoff weight is relatively small compared to other aircraft.
I don’t think any of us confused the two
Genius🤣
@@mrtee3477 But it is perfect range and capacity for the flights for which it is replacing, as the video stated.
When you take into account the need for reserve battery capacity for missed landing approaches and onward flight to an alternate airport, a plane that can fly 400 miles should really only attempt a 400 km. flight plan.
245 miles 😯 that's honestly not that far even for a car range. Unless it can comfortably do 500 without risk of running out I can't see it happening
Solving a problem that accounts for less than 0.04% of emissions in an industry that was preoccupied with efficiency long before environment was ever a consideration.
Agreed.
That electricity Had to be generated some place . Or was it magically sucked from hopes and dreams?
You can generate electricity by renewable sources just like countries like france, Iceland and Norway which 90% powered by renewable but don't keep your hopes hugh if you are in north america where big oil lobby will rahe a civil war before going for renewables
@@okman9684
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream. And btw, there is no man made climate change... and CO2 is NOT a problem we can or should solve. Regards from the reality, the cockpit of a Jumbojet.
And, btw: There is no such thing as "renewable energy". You cannot renew energy. Physics...
Sure, most electricty today is thanks to coal, but in 15-20 years? Imagine hooking this up to your local windmill and going for a fly
Ever seen the size of airplane hangars? Prime space for solar. DHL’s packaging warehouses. Prime space for solar. Also, coal plants are not the sole source of electricity. Renewables and nuclear do exist. It’s as if people try to find a reason to hate on electric vehicles.
see that big glowing thing in the sky?
The big question is in a future with electric airliners with no high fuel costs will a ticket still be as expensive as it is now . Im guessing yes
It's not really the fuel cost savings, it is the efficiency of electric motors. But keeping the cabin warm will be an issue.
I love comments sections like this. What chance does DHL have with its expertise in moving parcels, internal teams testing the approach and research relative to people who’ve seen this video?
Are they publicly listed on the stock exchange?
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream. And btw, there is no man made climate change... and CO2 is NOT a problem we can or should solve. Regards from the reality, the cockpit of a Jumbojet.
Get taylor swift one of these asap
How are we going to generate the electricity to charge this beauty? Nuclear power is "evil". Hydroelectric is "evil". Wind and solar? Clean, until you have to dispose of the used gear. And very few people want them in their "backyard".
Otherwise, this new aircraft is way cool.
Hydrogen fuel cell: Am I A Joke To You
fabulous . now electrify tractors , combines , and trucks . food is more important than trips !
When oil become very expensive it will be done.
Trucks should really be electrified, they are in an almost perfect nisch for doing so.
there already are commercially available electric tractors
What happens when the electricity goes out from a major storm and you have no ability to charge? What if there are three other aircraft ahead of you waiting to be charged?
@@waterlife.1905
The same thing that will happen when there is no electricity to pump the fuel into the trucks etc. that supply the ice aircraft.
Why not equip small planes with parachutes that can deploy for the entire aircraft in case of an emergency? This concept could significantly enhance passenger safety.
Military tanks can be safely dropped using parachutes, so why not apply the same principle to aviation? By incorporating this feature, we could revolutionize air travel safety, making it one of the best safety plans in the world.
Parachute weight at the moment.
Good going, but renewable electricity must be increased big time!
We need to do both. An electric airplane with good range and load powered by a coal power plant is better for the planet than a similar plane burning kerosene at altitude. Making the airplanes motivates building the wind turbines. Building the solar farm motivates building the planes
In truth what needs to change big time is energy use. People need to use less. A LOT less.
@@darinherrick9224 Yes! That right there is probably the most overlooked consideration. (Hmm, just a thought: Reduce and reuse only then.. recycle)
@@darinherrick9224The reality if using less isn't going to happen, people are selfish. Especially here in the US. The solution is renewable energy and solving the issues around it, including recycling and reusing batteries and all of the wearable components in renewable energy generation like solar panels and wind turbines. We need to be able to recycle solar panels and wind turbines in a clean manner. We need to get to that point like Elon says where all of the batteries are created by recycled lithium, not newly mined lithium.
@@heyaisdabombPeople largely don't make the choice themselves. You need to force corporations to be less wasteful.
Wonderful to see electric planes and hope they go mass market soon. I take a 30-minute flight on a regular basis, which is ~150 miles, which these electric planes would be perfect for.
Harbour Air here in Vancouver has been testing an electrified Beaver for a few years. Its business is short hops which is perfect for electric.
Sorry. The range is too limiting. Batteries have a 45to1 disadvantage vs liquid fuels. Even taking account of electric motor efficiency, it’s still 15to1. That’s just too tall of a disadvantage to summit. A better solution is synthetic zero carbon liquid fuels.
I think it’s a great idea for shorter flights. Less maintenance. More reliable plane. And quieter. The issue would be that if the max range is 460 km. The ACTUAL max range is really only 330 km once you account for a safe “fuel” reserves.
Beautiful, but please stop everyone talking about zero-emission. Production of batteries and energy for electric vehicles is NOT zero emission! Considering all four stages of product live, for example the Tesla car starts to be "eco" only after 200.000km range in relation to combustion engine vehicles.
You are absolutely right.
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream.
production of anything produces emissions. the phrase is specifically referring to transport.
Very cool, that particular plane shape doesn't look really like something optimal for cargo but it's a good start anyway, can't wait to see how DHL will operate them !
EV sales are dying in the US. When subsidies go away, there will be even fewer sales. I don't want to think about spontaneous combustion at 30,000 ft. No, the public is not ready, lol.
Have you notice that there are a lot of short haul flights between European States and also within Japan inter-cities airport as well (be it passenger or freight flights) ?
the average turnaround time for a domestic flight is usually around 45 minutes to 1 hour the ground Crew will say you want watt
Intellectually I concede that this is a huge improvement over nothing. However, given that the obvious jetfuel equivalent, the Challenger 300, has a range of 3527 miles, Alice has a looooooooooooong way to go.
Only important if you need to cross the continent non-stop or an ocean in a small plane. The red-herring raised in most EV discussions. This will come to dominate regional transportation.
@@markstevens1729 Well, here's to hoping. But I'd still feel a lot more comfortable if they could jack up the range by a good 200%. Maybe some sort of hybrid?
@@Lazarus1095 the stated range is calculated with reserves built-in, same as a dino-drinker. For short-hop flights and road transport, electric will become huge.
I want to hear one.
Using airports allows battery-pack swapping for commercial operators to speed turnaround for scheduled flights.
What a joke.. he used kilometers instead of miles.. 400 km.. What a joke
This is ridiculous to push ev unnecessarily. Why not invest in technology like hydrogen engines? Making batteries is a big cause for pollution in itself.
Good to see new technology in aviation..... Hope new battery tech will come in and able to mass produce bigger planes.....
Battery performance is the key challenge from now on...😎
There is a big issue with winter and summer at high altitude plus heating cabin and pressurization. and anti-icing etc That takes a lot of electrical juice.
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream. And btw, there is no man made climate change... and CO2 is NOT a problem we can or should solve. Regards from the reality, the cockpit of a Jumbojet.
Have you seen the RAM intakes on the engines? Just add a small fan and you got enough pressure ( as it is done on B787 ). Direct the air over the power MOSFETS and around the coils to heat it. For additional heating and cooling, buy the all direction heat pump from Tesla . For deicing use a rubber leading edge.
You got a good point here.But this is only dynamique air that you are getting from aircraft speed with a small air turbine. it may not be sufficient. Air is less dense and colder at altitude. So if you need to supply lots of pressure and heating and anti-icing,you dont have that available and that create more problems for heating,pressurisation,anti-icing so that makes the airplane flying in restricted environment. the B787 as turbine engines that supply lots of pressure and heating no matter what speed the aircraft is flying. Heating pump from Tesla is design for a car and you probably know that still decrease the car's range. I think an hybrid design like hybrid car is still a better design for now and ad safety value for the time being. @@ArneChristianRosenfeldt
@@danlavigueur2648 B787 makes it a point that there is no connection between engine and cabin for safety. I don't have numbers, but deicing probably needs far more power than cabin heating. People complain about complicated hybrids, meanwhile Prius is 10? years old and counting. Problem is that planes cruise at almost full power unlike typical Prius drivers on the autobahn. Yeah, those turbo Diesel planes probably win.
Is the 460 km, like the cars can drive "460" (unless you go to the highway)
In aviation, range is a life-critical performance data, so it is most exact... but can vary with wind, airspeed, temperature, etc... and all that has to be computed during flight planning.
Turn it back into a turboprop and you’ll have a high selling aircraft. Next iteration of the Piaggio
yeah, puller props are better. I don't get how Alice can route the wing behind the cabin. In RC planes we put the battery in the nose to stabilize the plane similar to a puller piston engine, but without the noise.
400 km is nothing for an airplane are you kidding
248 miles?
You can't even get people to buy a car that will only go 248 MI
Nobody in hell's going to buy an airplane that only goes 248 miles
You can't buy that anyway so don't cry
Any ice protection? That’s a VFR range, so pretty limiting.
You know that is a good question. I have a bolt EV and when I run the heater and windshield wipers it depletes the batteries really fast!
@@dgsantafedave1 I don't know about the windshield but for the wings and propellers they use a different system than heat.
Be serious. Unless thats a beautiful plane , 1h range/ 250 nm/ 1000 kg payload …vfr reserve ? Price ? Thats absolutly not cost effective.
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream. And btw, there is no man made climate change... and CO2 is NOT a problem we can or should solve. Regards from the reality, the cockpit of a Jumbojet.
@@dgsantafedave1 does the bolt have resistive heaters or a heat pump? the type of heaters used in the car have a huge impact on how much range they drain.
Well it was nice to hear about this advance in electric powered aircraft. However you could have shown a flight take off!!
Now A EV or Hybrid Planes & Helicopter In The Commercial Market Then A Fuell~Cell Hydrogen Enggine To Also Providing The Next Aircraft Model With A Most Efficient Energy Machine 🛩🚁🔌🔋💡🤓👍
Disconcerting neglect but consistent with the disinformation about electrification that these planes are roughly four times cheaper to operate. Why don't you cover that?
Electric motors... zero emissions? This clip starts with a big lie. Very little noise? The opposite is true. Very loud propellers... and the list goes on...and I'm not even talking about icing conditions or the hazard of a thermal runaway of the batteries... Big fire! Electric airplanes are a joke. No investor would put his money into a lie based dream. And btw, there is no man made climate change... and CO2 is NOT a problem we can or should solve. Regards from the reality, the cockpit of a Jumbojet.
Great idea, great plane i hope this company succeeds 👍
Taylor Swift could use one of these....
Now it's only a question of when Chinese engineers will lay their hands on the tech then a year later will have one that flies 1000 miles or more, and orders of the cheaper model throughout the world.
still someone believes that ev is just a car with battery instead of oil? Behind EV it means everything can be changed, plane, ship, robot ….
All ferries and boats including bigger boats are going to be electric soon
Of all the people being interviewed, I trust the opinion of the pilot the most, as his life LITERALLY depends on a plan that he can trust. If he trusts it, I will trust it.
Beautiful plane
The range is sign of the absolute stupidity of it all.
All it needs is an atomic battery and the sky's the limit
There is no future for electric aviation
Appreciate comment of high aircraft pollution
Ships and Cars are releasing more CO² than Aircrafts so what is stated in the video is incorrect. Aeroplanes are releasing 3% of all co² in the world. Ships, Industry, and roads vehicles are releasing a lot more
They're not talking about overall CO2 emissions though?
I do like this aircraft's cute almost child's toy like shape to its airframe! 🐤
How exciting, that's my state aswell!
Right?! Super cool to see Washington on the forefront of technology. 😊
500kw/kg at pack level is what we need
It's coming. 500wh/kg is available already from CATL in China though still a bit hard to get on the open market probably. There are a few companies working on 700wh/kg now and more is on the way.
This plane gets it's current range with probably closer to 200wh/kg. Certifying planes takes a long time so they wouldn't necessarily have the latest and greatest by the time they get certified. But it does mean that the next generation of this plane is indeed going to double or triple its range probably.
Lmao. Global EV demand petering out, Hertz and DHL junking their EV fleets, Mercedes scaling back, Tesla discounting heavily.
The public: "This tech is over-rated and under-cooked. We don't trust it and we don't believe the necessity narrative."
The industry: "Let's make a bunch of battery planes..."😂
I don’t trust it at least with a mechanical engine if 1 fails the other can get you to an airport. All it takes is the batteries or the onboard electronics to shut the engines down due to a software glitch.
the onboard electronics can shut the Gas turbine engines down due to a software glitch too as they also use thrust management software for Auto Throttle, electric aeroplanes are much safer as fewer moving parts and no moving fuel so less of a fire hazard, as long as properly cooled with thermal overload protection its safe as it can be, it is mostly the same technology as in Li-ion batteries in use in all large planes now for backup power anyway its just that there are a shed load more of them,
Auto industry is going electric...really. They are not selling, or renting. "Bad as it gets"...if you are selling this one maybe. Shipping is twice the aviation amount...and per passenger mile is a waste of time, but good to smear corporate/smaller aircraft with. Big companies are the problem...that's why they started this story decades ago. What matters is the emissions...also created by making these batteries. If we include the (global) military in the expert's pie charts (duh), the other percents all may go down by half. Yay...?
My car can go 1200 km fully loaded in a highway, but still, it is not an airplane, - you should rest in this trip.
Isn't flying already expensive enough? Do we have to make it even more unaffordable with planes that can only transport half as much passengers because batteries use up a ludicrous amount of weight capacity? Stop the climate lies already, we can't afford them any longer. 🙈
The question stays: In the majority of the US, electricity comes from burning fossil fuels therefore, charging an aircraft by electric power that was produced while burning fossil fuels that emit greenhouse gases doesn't completely solve the issue. What can be done to avoid or mitigate this?
As more as i like jet engines, their architecture and sound, it's aburd how much it costs and consumes fuel...so....far from being anything close to sustainable...in relation to EV on ther roads, same thing , far from being sustainable and solution as well...but as planes they might as well be, is a whole lot different story. I don't know, let's hope so....
but we are still replying a lot on coal generator which is producing a lot of CO2. With energy lost during the transmitting from power station to battery, plus batteries manufacturing waste, the pollution is no less than using gasoline directly. They only mentioned about section of using batteries, but hiding batteries manufacturing and recycling waste completely.
When is the last time energy density improved in batteries? (Hint, a long long time ago). We tend to think of batteries like technology, It rapidly increases in performance while decreasing in size, it just isn't true, and probably never will be
Not vertical take off capability. Needs longer runway strips EVTO. Even so, there’s a market presence, but not as large as it could have been going vertical take off!
Aviation is about light weight! Batteries 🔋 are everything but not light weight 😂
There is no way to cheat on physics!
Every attempt will fail or make transportation expensive or very limited 👎🏻 if we go this path.
I wonder what the tipping point for battery density needs to be for it to match the weight of the fuel put into something like a 747? 500Wh/kg? 750Wh, 1000Wh, 2000Wh? I mean the max fuel weight is 184,000Kg (230k litres) so that's a lot of potential battery capacity. Just a curious thought if anyone had a rough idea?
This has been discussed on other UA-cam channels in the past(Real Engineering I think). Those long haul flights are going to be VERY difficult to replace with battery tech. The energy density of jet fuel is just too good.
Within 10 years electric planes will be able to fly about 1000km with currently known battery technology. If new stuff that is tested in various labs works out as hoped, we might get 2000km, but i would expect this will be the limit. So everything above that will be E-Fuels. But environmental benefit for shorter ranges is HUGE, especially as maintenance costs and noise is going down that much. Energy efficiency is 70% better than combustion engines or gas turbines, so electric planes will have a very bright future, and its a phantastic time we are living in, despite our corrupt and criminal governments that try to impose censorship and silence opposition and critics.
Insisting with electric aviation despitr the theoretical and by now thre practical evidence means dishonesty. This airplane, if certifiable is structurally highly inefficient and most probably can't take any meaningful payload with it. The day batteries will have the required energy density you won't need to design an airplane around them
Why do they never talk about the cobalt and lithium that has to be mined through usually child slave labor in the Kongo to make these batteries?
At least oil power is mined by men and women who get paid very well to do what they do.
Not to mention the mining the diesel fuel to operate the excavators and the emissions from explosives to mine the cobalt and lithium.
But let’s ignore that due to inconvenience of making us feel better about those facts.
There may be no specific emissions but i doubt that it uses green electricity using no aluminum , copper , resins , mined no lithium and other exotic minerals and did not have to move 100's of tons of overburden - it would interesting how long it would take to pay back the real unknown costs to the environment - interesting concept though
I think the way forward is planes with both ICE and BEV. Start the flight on electric and when the batteries run down switch to the ICE. I've seen one that has 2 of each.
electrical engines are great option. but. the batteries are still not. prototype burned because of them. electricity for the batteries still become not from "green" sources. even the batteries themselves through all the line of production are far more from zero co2. just go find the batteries made and from. electric engines - great, electricity source - still bad. looking forward for the revolution in the sources of electricity
I don’t wanna ride this ~ Tesla cars can’t even handle cold without dying in mass…… n doses this has to be charged? Cause electric charging/ the battery cause more death / pollution on mass to get / make these batteries…….. but at least it’s a small plane BUT DEF DNT WANNA FLY - unless they can faculty prove me wrong
Interestingly, EVs can handle cold better than ICE cars. You can keep your car preheated while plugged in, and leave with a toasty warm cabin and optimal battery temperature.
its not going to work in competition
I think we need to put down electric aircraft for a little while and start finding qualified Pilots to fly these planes there seems to be more planes falling out of the Sky not making the runway with this whole DEI initiative
only problem is the 48 plus hours to charge it
Really happy to see this on the one hand, but equally, this will be an early waypoint along the way to planes that have significantly better capabilities. Just bring it out asap, and lets get the revolution going.
Seem Kul. But. Range is key. Sadly until that’s figured out. Range is king. Wat if an aircraft needs to divert to different airfields? Sadly range range. Range
Eternium Aerospace has the best design honestly. Their aircraft is capable of 3200 nm range. This is all child play at this point.
0 emissions? Where do you think the electricity comes from? And how do you recycle the tons and tons of batteries without harming the earth? And using more energy that comes from where?
Unless their is a quantum leap in battery technology that I don’t know about. Electric aircraft are nothing more then a fancy experiment.
I find it interesting that there are no solar panels on the plane, solar panel technology is also growing in leaps and bounds, which could at the very least lower fuel times, in exchange for a slight weight penalty.
I have also long thought that, electrically assisted jet engines would be extremely helpful in lowering fuel burn in the high emission takeoff phase of the flight and to some extent during cruise.
silicon has good mechanical properties. Yet no-one builds stressed wings of car roofs out of it.
. You realize the plane would always have to fly BETWEEN the Earth & the Sun to have even the tiniest possible gain?
A Helium Zeppelin covered in photovoltaic fabric with electric motors would be more like it.
@@TriAmpHiFi Interesting idea.
@@relaxationstation7374 .
lol, what about cargo? At least Made in the USA would gain a competitive shipping advantage.
I have an idea that could extend flight time.
All ears
Watch out Elon will buy the company, claim it’s his and come up with some plane version of a cybertruck 🤡
In Europe routes under 350 km has largely vanished cause of the dense rail network.
Could be excellent for routes from islands though, connecting smaller local airports in a way that isn't economically feasible at the moment.
what about how long it takes to recharge? will it have swappable batteries? Electricity still requires fossil fuel to produce.
The more CO2 humanity releases into the atmosphere, the greener Earth will become. This means we can grow more food.
Imagine If the Engine itself generates electricity then it will be very feasible and batteries can be kept for alternating power.
I doubt the viability of electric planes unless there comes a revolution in battery technology. We can still hope for the best!
Here we go again... as we play Soccer with Pollution... from using Polluting Engines we now use allegedly "Pollution FREE" Electric Planes.
However, what happens to the Dead Batteries every few years... do the owners of "Lucy" consume them for breakfast-lunch-supper... ???
Now you see why I say ... all that Lucy is doing is playing "Pollution Soccer"... kicking the Pollution Ball around from one "backyard" to another... Nothing more.. Nothing less.. !!!
Batteries get a second and third life on Industrial sites and the likes. Then they get up to 95% recycled because the minerals inside are very valuable and can be extracted. UA-cam is full of interviews and on-site footage of these facilities. Old Nissan Leaf batteries are powering applications in the Japanese railway for instance . The level of misinformation is crazy, when I read comments like yours I wonder if you shallowed the blue pill
Although that was one of the gayest take offs I have ever seen, but it's great to see we are doing some meaningful progress! 👏
This takes range anxiety to a whole new level 😮
nobody fills up a plane.
Super interesting. This plane ought to have very low operational costs.
There a lots of areas where ground based transport is not always effective. Regions as diverse as Norway and Africa both spring to mind.
Aside from speed of travel, air transport benefit from not requiring expensive infrastructure between A and B, unlike high-speed rail.
Many very-high energy density (mass-based) batteries are not too keen on very high charging rates. So really, they should treat the batteries a bit nicer and have time for a coffee break and loading the plane sensibly.
Can you imagine a future of aircraft like this powered by Quantumscape Lithium Metal batteries, charged by perovskite solar cells stored energy in ESS tech Iron Flow Batteries. This would be a truly green operation!