Perfect instrument for the "And Justice For All" album. Lars is arriving into the studio... Lars: "Hi Jason, is it a bass guitar in your hands?" Jason: "No, it's not." Lars: "All right then, you can stay."
Some fun trivia: a while ago these guitars would be constantly sold out, which most people attribute to the succes of Loathe's "I Let It In And It Took Everything" album, which mainly features this guitar, and an old squier 30" baritone jazzmaster (that's what squier calls it). That 2nd guitar is extremely rare and is really expensive now, so people resorted to the Subzero Rogue VI (original name of this thing). I personally got one for that same reason, and it is a great mod platform. Some new railhammer pickups, fun wiring (spin a split, split coil sounds this low are amazing), Harley Benton locking tuners (which were the only locking tuners I could find that could fit a .100+ stock without modifying them), and this thing now plays like a champ
@terryenglish7132 the original vintage modified was slightly different than a normal Bass VI, it had 2 p90's, a hard tail, and was a jazzmaster shape. The "reissue" is just a normal bass vi in the antigua finish, and also limited edition iirc!
Ya know, Fender kinda had this market for a while with the Squier Vintage Modified Baritone Jazzmasters. That they discontinued. Right after Loathe kinda became a thing and made a market for 30" scale 6 string low tuned metal monsters.
I have one of the original SubZero Rogue VIs, and it is an interesting instrument for sure. One of the cooler things that I have figured out with the Line6 Helix is that you can run two parallel chains, one set up for more of a standard bass sound (Ampeg amp/cab, minimal other effects) and one for a guitar sound (I think I used a HiWatt amp with guitar-oriented effects) and it gets me a really cool "tic-tac" tone like what a lot of the 60s studio recordings would use. For those not in the know, that was where a bass line would be recorded on an upright, and then overdubbed with a BassVI for additional attack and clarity). I was able to dial in the two compressors so that I can essentially switch between guitar and bass sounds just by my playing dynamics. I essentially compressed the guitar chain really hard, and left the bass a lot more open, so when I dig in, I get more bass, and when I lay back, I get more guitar.
Love me a Bass VI and even the squires have become more pricey than they deserve. Inexpensive way to play my cure riffs. Watched the track 3 times for two other people who are slack. Eintracht Planken am Main
Hello Henning, today I ordered this Bari-Bass-Guitar... I watched a lot of helpful videos on UA-cam and I will make some modifications to this guitar. I realised it's the same guitar like the Subzero and Firefly baritone 30"... I will install dipswitches for splitting the pickups and maybe I change the pickups to get more definition and clarity in the tones. I would like to stay in this low tuning, but want to change the string gauges a little bit. I will find a solution.
I have the SRC6 non-MS and it came stock with an .84 set and it sucked. Change them out for the Fender .100 set. Alternatively, Stringjoy, Kalium LaBella and others sell larger more appropriate sets if you want to use it tuned E-E. I have my second one tuned A-A as I sing baritone and it works better for me when I sing lead and I use a EB .72 set. Or sometimes Elixir .68s.
Probably doesn't need saying, but to see how a Bass VI-like guitar can be used in music, check almost anything from The Cure from Faith onwards. Disintegration in particular. Also the famous Twin Peaks theme is Bass VI. And you know, as a Cure fan on a shoestring budget, I'm really tempted. Of course it would need single coils instead of humbuckers, and I'm not exactly thrilled by the reverse headstock, but for that price, it's all moot and certainly beats anything I could reasonably build for myself (which is the route I've long been contemplating to finally get a Bass VI-like).
Great, only major flaw is the deeply unappealing logo on the headstock. The SubZero logo they used before looked fine, the red G4M looks like a sticker on a 90s budget department store guitar and really is a mistake that really needs acknowledging and shelving. It just makes any instrument it is put on look even cheaper than it is. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it IS a sticker, maybe you can just peel it off, that would solve the issue completely. Better no logo than this logo.
check out the LA Select series from G4M, they probably have the cheapest floyd rose 1000 equipped fiddle at the market right now, even cheaper than the harley benton ones, its nuts. Might actually get one..
Warwick has the Just-A-Nut, right? They should make a kit where you could swap out the nut for 2 included nuts - one cut for baritone strings and one cut for Bass VI strings.
I call these sorts of instruments "extended range basses". I like the mismatched wood in the body for some reason, I've seen some luthiers in England run with that for environmental and waste reasons.
Optisch auf jeden Fall schicker(*) als die preislich nah angesiedelte Harley-Benton-Alternative, allerdings ohne die klangliche Flexibilität der Single-Coil-PUs. Jedenfalls, genauso wie die bekannte Fender-Vorlage, ein inspirierendes Instrument. (*Ausnahme: Markenlogo sieht aus, als hätte man das eigentliche Logo mit einem Rabattaufkleber vom Discounter... 😬)
I rely on good musicians like yourself to review, guitars, amps, and pedals. I only been really trying to learn for about 9 months or so, so I really don't know what is a good deal for the money, right now I've got two PRS guitars because I had a friend that worked at guitar center last year but he moved to another state, so since then I've been watching you and another guy Darrell B's channel but I enjoy your channel more, anyway thanks for all your help over the last year or so. You n yours be safe peace, 😎✌️🐢🐻🕺💃
27/28” baritones tuned A-A or B-B sound great. Chords intonate correctly, strings are thin enough that the spacing isn’t a problem. I don’t get 30” E to E- chords and upper-register fills are too muddy, string spacing is too tight, and the tone when used for conventional bass lines is so-so at best.
it's not a stupid question, in fact it's possible to tune it to standard pitch with very light strings (no idea why you would though). This guitar would be best tuned G to G as you can still play chords down to about there.
G4M do several different standard scale guitars in the same price range. All usually inspire by several guitars into a single offering. It may be the lowest rung on the ladder for pro but they are all pro. Better a humble G4M than the obvious dumbed down Fender product which only cares that on the wall it looks like a Fender.
So basically this is something similar to what Metallica used to double the main riff of Sad But True with? Not exactly sure what that was, but it made me think of that instrument.
It's both a Baritone guitar VI (E2 guitar standard - EADGBE) ....ua-cam.com/video/YpaOa7jZoTg/v-deo.htmlsi=EIM0KDcaGBTJN7CF AND a Bass VI (E2 bass standard - EADGCF) .....ua-cam.com/video/o44aR-IjKqU/v-deo.htmlsi=aNWoq9sLhobAbR3e
It's a Loathecaster Henning
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Perfect instrument for the "And Justice For All" album.
Lars is arriving into the studio...
Lars: "Hi Jason, is it a bass guitar in your hands?"
Jason: "No, it's not."
Lars: "All right then, you can stay."
I have this guitar and I've tuned it to A standard with baritone strings and now it's a baritone.
Henning you just do things no one else does and Im here for it. I love you.
So much fun watching those little guys growing up! (animals at the end)
I have this guy tuned to drop F with .73s. Not super into giant guages to tune that low. So the 30" reaaaallly helped quite a lot.
Joe Perry, of Aerosmith, uses a Fender Bass VI on the song "Back In The Saddle", from the album "Rocks", in 1976.
Some fun trivia: a while ago these guitars would be constantly sold out, which most people attribute to the succes of Loathe's "I Let It In And It Took Everything" album, which mainly features this guitar, and an old squier 30" baritone jazzmaster (that's what squier calls it). That 2nd guitar is extremely rare and is really expensive now, so people resorted to the Subzero Rogue VI (original name of this thing).
I personally got one for that same reason, and it is a great mod platform. Some new railhammer pickups, fun wiring (spin a split, split coil sounds this low are amazing), Harley Benton locking tuners (which were the only locking tuners I could find that could fit a .100+ stock without modifying them), and this thing now plays like a champ
Aren't Squire Baritone Jazz Masters now in production ? I thought they just did a release.
@terryenglish7132 the original vintage modified was slightly different than a normal Bass VI, it had 2 p90's, a hard tail, and was a jazzmaster shape. The "reissue" is just a normal bass vi in the antigua finish, and also limited edition iirc!
@@robjobse5162it didn’t have p90s it had Jazzmaster pickups.
Connor, the former guitarist of Loathe also had used this exact model (back when G4M had it under the Subzero label)
Oh boy I remember this day....great intro and track!
Wow! Thank you for this video! I need this Bari-Bass-Guitar! It's very inspiring! 😊
Accurate and descriptive. Very nice!
Ya know, Fender kinda had this market for a while with the Squier Vintage Modified Baritone Jazzmasters. That they discontinued. Right after Loathe kinda became a thing and made a market for 30" scale 6 string low tuned metal monsters.
I like the hoodie 👍
That track kinda brought me back to when I was introduced to Electric Wizard's music 🤘🏽
Thanks Henning!👍🤘
I have one of the original SubZero Rogue VIs, and it is an interesting instrument for sure. One of the cooler things that I have figured out with the Line6 Helix is that you can run two parallel chains, one set up for more of a standard bass sound (Ampeg amp/cab, minimal other effects) and one for a guitar sound (I think I used a HiWatt amp with guitar-oriented effects) and it gets me a really cool "tic-tac" tone like what a lot of the 60s studio recordings would use. For those not in the know, that was where a bass line would be recorded on an upright, and then overdubbed with a BassVI for additional attack and clarity). I was able to dial in the two compressors so that I can essentially switch between guitar and bass sounds just by my playing dynamics. I essentially compressed the guitar chain really hard, and left the bass a lot more open, so when I dig in, I get more bass, and when I lay back, I get more guitar.
looks sick
A baritone allows me to sing in my natural register after 30 years of not being able to, although both my baritones are B-B not an octave lower.
Love me a Bass VI and even the squires have become more pricey than they deserve. Inexpensive way to play my cure riffs. Watched the track 3 times for two other people who are slack. Eintracht Planken am Main
Hello Henning, today I ordered this Bari-Bass-Guitar... I watched a lot of helpful videos on UA-cam and I will make some modifications to this guitar. I realised it's the same guitar like the Subzero and Firefly baritone 30"...
I will install dipswitches for splitting the pickups and maybe I change the pickups to get more definition and clarity in the tones. I would like to stay in this low tuning, but want to change the string gauges a little bit. I will find a solution.
I have the SRC6 non-MS and it came stock with an .84 set and it sucked. Change them out for the Fender .100 set. Alternatively, Stringjoy, Kalium LaBella and others sell larger more appropriate sets if you want to use it tuned E-E.
I have my second one tuned A-A as I sing baritone and it works better for me when I sing lead and I use a EB .72 set. Or sometimes Elixir .68s.
Probably doesn't need saying, but to see how a Bass VI-like guitar can be used in music, check almost anything from The Cure from Faith onwards. Disintegration in particular. Also the famous Twin Peaks theme is Bass VI.
And you know, as a Cure fan on a shoestring budget, I'm really tempted. Of course it would need single coils instead of humbuckers, and I'm not exactly thrilled by the reverse headstock, but for that price, it's all moot and certainly beats anything I could reasonably build for myself (which is the route I've long been contemplating to finally get a Bass VI-like).
Great, only major flaw is the deeply unappealing logo on the headstock. The SubZero logo they used before looked fine, the red G4M looks like a sticker on a 90s budget department store guitar and really is a mistake that really needs acknowledging and shelving. It just makes any instrument it is put on look even cheaper than it is.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it IS a sticker, maybe you can just peel it off, that would solve the issue completely. Better no logo than this logo.
check out the LA Select series from G4M, they probably have the cheapest floyd rose 1000 equipped fiddle at the market right now, even cheaper than the harley benton ones, its nuts. Might actually get one..
Warwick has the Just-A-Nut, right? They should make a kit where you could swap out the nut for 2 included nuts - one cut for baritone strings and one cut for Bass VI strings.
Henning! On the “Short Track” segment, the cymbals are TOO LOUD. I cannot hear the stringed instruments properly over the percussion.
How does it sound through a bass amp, would running it through a guitar amp be why it doesn't have the depth of a bass?
Also pickups
So Drop E 8string is technically hybrid between a bass and guitar?
Indeed
I think they had baritone instruments BEFORE we even had "regular" guitars.
Anyway. Moar low and heavy = very good!!!
I call these sorts of instruments "extended range basses". I like the mismatched wood in the body for some reason, I've seen some luthiers in England run with that for environmental and waste reasons.
Optisch auf jeden Fall schicker(*) als die preislich nah angesiedelte Harley-Benton-Alternative, allerdings ohne die klangliche Flexibilität der Single-Coil-PUs. Jedenfalls, genauso wie die bekannte Fender-Vorlage, ein inspirierendes Instrument. (*Ausnahme: Markenlogo sieht aus, als hätte man das eigentliche Logo mit einem Rabattaufkleber vom Discounter... 😬)
So is this an actual case where Fan Frets might correct a real problem instead of an imagined one, w seperate scale lengths for each string ?
I rely on good musicians like yourself to review, guitars, amps, and pedals. I only been really trying to learn for about 9 months or so, so I really don't know what is a good deal for the money, right now I've got two PRS guitars because I had a friend that worked at guitar center last year but he moved to another state, so since then I've been watching you and another guy Darrell B's channel but I enjoy your channel more, anyway thanks for all your help over the last year or so. You n yours be safe peace, 😎✌️🐢🐻🕺💃
On a serious note: put some 68-14 daddario strings on that thing, tune in to drop G and djent the shxt out of it. Sounds better than every 7 string
can you play it through the pod express black?
Is that placebo, the band you played at the beginning of the video
It can be both a baritone or a bassvi depending on how its set up
Budget Tom Petersson tones?
The humbuckers make this guitar better for drop f# to drop E more so than sub octave stuff tbh
hi .. will someone be as kind as to name the song in the intro part where he unboxes
this guitar .. thnaks in advance
Ah yes! The rebranded subzero! It is more bass-like than other comparable 30” guitars. I preferred the HB JA Baritone over this one.
27/28” baritones tuned A-A or B-B sound great. Chords intonate correctly, strings are thin enough that the spacing isn’t a problem. I don’t get 30” E to E- chords and upper-register fills are too muddy, string spacing is too tight, and the tone when used for conventional bass lines is so-so at best.
Stupid question. Can't you tune it to a Baritone tuning (B to B)? Like just add lighter strings and do it?
Yes you can!
it's not a stupid question, in fact it's possible to tune it to standard pitch with very light strings (no idea why you would though). This guitar would be best tuned G to G as you can still play chords down to about there.
G4M do several different standard scale guitars in the same price range. All usually inspire by several guitars into a single offering. It may be the lowest rung on the ladder for pro but they are all pro. Better a humble G4M than the obvious dumbed down Fender product which only cares that on the wall it looks like a Fender.
So basically this is something similar to what Metallica used to double the main riff of Sad But True with? Not exactly sure what that was, but it made me think of that instrument.
I habe the Ibanez src6 . The Olga one. It sounds great except the low e. This is flubby. Not strong. I use it as a bass.
Bass a tone?
That thang got the chugitude.
It's both a Baritone guitar VI (E2 guitar standard - EADGBE) ....ua-cam.com/video/YpaOa7jZoTg/v-deo.htmlsi=EIM0KDcaGBTJN7CF
AND a Bass VI (E2 bass standard - EADGCF) .....ua-cam.com/video/o44aR-IjKqU/v-deo.htmlsi=aNWoq9sLhobAbR3e
That sounds terrible
8 string is more versatile