Are these the ones with 5mm+ throw? As far as I know rotaries absolutely have not been great for lining. I was thinking of investing in this but I need to be sure this thing can hammer lines fast on areas other than a calf for example. Can it line fast single pass on ribs etc ?
Surprised you didn’t mention the newer ones. Where they teamed up with critical . Best machines and best battery. Magnetic connection. The shader is very different then the other two. The motor is weaker with a give of sorts. Really nice for smooth shading and fine lines.
I'm not a fan of how lines heal with the Bishop Liner. Used it for a few pieces at the lower end of 6 volts, pieces take longer to heal, lines become raised. Single pass lines, no blowouts/hazing at the time of tattooing as well, but just bad heals. Not everyone, but way more than I'm comfortable with. The only Liners I would recommend with this machine would be 9+, otherwise the thing just shreds. I swapped back to my Inkjecta for lining and haven't had any issues since.
Can you please do an Acus M1 review. It's probably the most versdatile and complete machine ever made, specially with the stroke cams coming out. I'd love to know what do you think about it.
The only rotaries I have used are Dan Kubin sidewinders. Would you say the liner is more similar to those machines? Also how do you find the liner performs on more sensitive areas and the packer on harder areas?
Sidewinder is way more effective used with bar needles also way more wild. Liner Wand is closest thing to it. On sensitive areas you want to be careful with both. I would say on very elastic areas liner does better job.
@@TattooShopTalk Yeah what Inlike aboutbthe sidewinder is the option to use the clipcord polarity to get a passive hit on more sensitive areas. Would you say the liner is better then a coil on more elastic skin as well?
@@Relativechapter I would say coils or coil like machines like Dan Kubin are better and more efficient (if tuned right). Wand Liner with a good cartridge is not bad and it is way more comfortable. I don't think that someone who is all comfortable with their coils or Kubins will find liner as better option but it is close
@@TattooShopTalk my last and best tattoo was done with a side winder and non cartridge needles. he had 2 one for packing and one for lines. It hurt allot more than usual but healed great. It made me want the damn things.
Hi! Thanks for the review! I had somewhat the similar thoughts. I am using a kubin v3r atm and i am trying to get a reference point of which one of these is the most similar one, but what i see is that the liner is the most similar to a v3r? I do like bold traditional work.
Hey bro thank you for the video, so I’ve seen people say you can’t pack black with the liner or aren’t supposed to, to me that doesn’t make sense lol, but have you done solid black with the liner and if so have you seen it healed? Cause I planned on using the liner for lining/solid blacks/stippling, any advice will help, thanks again for the video!!!!
I have attempted by accident to use it as packer and it is very strong and you have to be very careful not to chew up skin. Lining and stippling is what it is intended to used for
If we are talking Bishop Wands then - liner for lining and packer for packing and shading. Personally I would line with either Dan Kubin or Q Luna machine with bar needles unless it's easy placement then I would go Wand liner because it's more comfortable
I don't get how you're supposed to do 3RL whip shading with the liner wand. I can sometimes do it with the packer but honestly I always go for my FK Irons Xion for 3RL dot shading stuff - the liner just chews the skin up so fast. I love the liner for everything else though! I haven't met the grouping it can't push.
@@geemad4681 that’s not true….a liner and a shader can be interchanged with technique. I use the liner for shading and packing all the time. I use the shader for lining too as well as the packer for lining. I can tattoo with a doorbell if I need to, machines don’t make the tattoo, they just make something’s easier Dot work is easier with a longer stroke, it’s that simple, slow the machine and your hand down for desired effect. They are tools, just gotta know how you use them
It's all about technique, something you would need to show someone, to see where you are going wrong if you've made all the adjustments and it's still happening. A nice In-between one, all fits one, would be the packer. But that's just my opinion.
@@TattooShopTalk mega fedt havde ikke engang luret det på din accent 😂 super fedt og gode videoer! jeg ejer forces of nature tattoo studio og hawk ink studio i Roskilde - sjælland. high five herfra
@@ExpeditionHawk I am from Latvia originally - I live and have my shop in Odense now but my danish language skill is still not there. I am glad that locals also follow channel. And Tusind Tak
I think the same, because just buy them and then not liking it and you realize that u spend all that money and the machine is not for you and that sucks.
In my personal opinion and experience I would go with Shader. If you have a very good control then maybe Packer. They claim that liner can do all lines but for me it would be too strong for small lines. Liner would also be good for dot shading because it's punchy and you can run it slow. That's my answer that doesn't answer anything
Overpriced ( they are 20 pens on the market wich are much cheaper and even better than Bishop products )….Mildly expressed….Shader, packer ,liner =all together over 3000€…..(((. Vlad Blad Ultron pen 2 ( universal machine )- 800€, Vlad Blad Avenger 2 pro ( you got 6 different strokes and much stronger motor than any Bishop machine ) - 700€……… For example…On the end of the day, it's a matter of taste, so this is my personal humble opinion….
I just got the packer and its awesome i do engraving tattoos and i vlad blad avenger 2 pro and the dan kubin sidewinder v3r and the bishop packer is better than the avenger 2 pro in every way
@@oghiphopwreka1938can you do both lining and shading with the packer? I’m starting out and looking for a good versatile gun I can use for different purposes
Both. I would say liner would be better because you can run it low and it still punches but it's a beast of its own. Packer is more of an all rounder and safer choice. It would be great if you could try them first
This liner improved my tattooing more than I'd like to admit.
It's a good investment
Are these the ones with 5mm+ throw? As far as I know rotaries absolutely have not been great for lining. I was thinking of investing in this but I need to be sure this thing can hammer lines fast on areas other than a calf for example. Can it line fast single pass on ribs etc ?
Dk sidewinder is my liner. I don’t know if I will ever swap it out but I love the shader. I may try a packer or liner from bishop
What voltage do you run for lining
Surprised you didn’t mention the newer ones. Where they teamed up with critical . Best machines and best battery. Magnetic connection. The shader is very different then the other two. The motor is weaker with a give of sorts. Really nice for smooth shading and fine lines.
I've seen a few comments on the bishop Facebook page complaining about the batteries
Complaining about what?
@@angusmcdeath8403 which battery?the critical or b battery
@@kimsirrs2641 the critical once, theres alot shit talk about the new powerwand setups :/
@@angusmcdeath8403
What exactly is wrong with them?
Telling that someone is talking shit about something is very abstract at this point…
I'm not a fan of how lines heal with the Bishop Liner. Used it for a few pieces at the lower end of 6 volts, pieces take longer to heal, lines become raised. Single pass lines, no blowouts/hazing at the time of tattooing as well, but just bad heals. Not everyone, but way more than I'm comfortable with. The only Liners I would recommend with this machine would be 9+, otherwise the thing just shreds. I swapped back to my Inkjecta for lining and haven't had any issues since.
Do you use saniderm?
@@patgrogg4586 same product different name, but yeah.
Can you please do an Acus M1 review. It's probably the most versdatile and complete machine ever made, specially with the stroke cams coming out. I'd love to know what do you think about it.
I wish I had a chance
Been eyeing up the wand for a couple of months now.. packer has been sold out since they arrived in my country lol
I think they might be focusing on pushing their new products by now
The only rotaries I have used are Dan Kubin sidewinders. Would you say the liner is more similar to those machines? Also how do you find the liner performs on more sensitive areas and the packer on harder areas?
Sidewinder is way more effective used with bar needles also way more wild. Liner Wand is closest thing to it. On sensitive areas you want to be careful with both. I would say on very elastic areas liner does better job.
@@TattooShopTalk Yeah what Inlike aboutbthe sidewinder is the option to use the clipcord polarity to get a passive hit on more sensitive areas. Would you say the liner is better then a coil on more elastic skin as well?
@@Relativechapter I would say coils or coil like machines like Dan Kubin are better and more efficient (if tuned right). Wand Liner with a good cartridge is not bad and it is way more comfortable. I don't think that someone who is all comfortable with their coils or Kubins will find liner as better option but it is close
@@TattooShopTalk my last and best tattoo was done with a side winder and non cartridge needles. he had 2 one for packing and one for lines. It hurt allot more than usual but healed great. It made me want the damn things.
Hi! Thanks for the review! I had somewhat the similar thoughts. I am using a kubin v3r atm and i am trying to get a reference point of which one of these is the most similar one, but what i see is that the liner is the most similar to a v3r? I do like bold traditional work.
Bishop alllllllll daaaay 🙏🙌
Agree
Yes
What bishop do you run
Hey bro thank you for the video, so I’ve seen people say you can’t pack black with the liner or aren’t supposed to, to me that doesn’t make sense lol, but have you done solid black with the liner and if so have you seen it healed? Cause I planned on using the liner for lining/solid blacks/stippling, any advice will help, thanks again for the video!!!!
I have attempted by accident to use it as packer and it is very strong and you have to be very careful not to chew up skin. Lining and stippling is what it is intended to used for
Have you tried the stainless steel grip? Looks like it will add some weight for better lining
No I have not. I have not seen it at any of suppliers that I order from.
What you recommend for polimesian (maori) lines and packing?
If we are talking Bishop Wands then - liner for lining and packer for packing and shading. Personally I would line with either Dan Kubin or Q Luna machine with bar needles unless it's easy placement then I would go Wand liner because it's more comfortable
Are the motors different. I’m wondering about the markings on the liner wand motor
From what I know - Packer and Liner should have same brushed motor and Shader have different one which was brushless. I might be wrong as well
@@TattooShopTalk yes yes. From what I’ve gathered the packer and liner have a bit bigger motor. 🫡
I don't get how you're supposed to do 3RL whip shading with the liner wand. I can sometimes do it with the packer but honestly I always go for my FK Irons Xion for 3RL dot shading stuff - the liner just chews the skin up so fast. I love the liner for everything else though! I haven't met the grouping it can't push.
turn it down....
Just put it on 4v smh
As you said, it's a liner. Whip SHADING, is shading. So if you do a lot of whip shading, it would be best to have the shader for that.
@@geemad4681 that’s not true….a liner and a shader can be interchanged with technique.
I use the liner for shading and packing all the time. I use the shader for lining too as well as the packer for lining.
I can tattoo with a doorbell if I need to, machines don’t make the tattoo, they just make something’s easier
Dot work is easier with a longer stroke, it’s that simple, slow the machine and your hand down for desired effect.
They are tools, just gotta know how you use them
It's all about technique, something you would need to show someone, to see where you are going wrong if you've made all the adjustments and it's still happening. A nice In-between one, all fits one, would be the packer. But that's just my opinion.
Yessss
Yes yes
Very much yes
Do I need to buy a power source when I buy bishop wand liner?
Yes you need either battery or power supply. If you buy Wand then you get machine and cable in the box (and lube, paperwork and sticker)
you can buy the power wands now
How is the packer on low volts? 4volts +
It's slow and on tighter cartridges you may need to use kickstart to get them moving. What would you use it for at low voltage?
are you from denmark. and if so whats ur shops name?
I'm located in Denmark and shop is - Tattoo Odense
@@TattooShopTalk mega fedt havde ikke engang luret det på din accent 😂 super fedt og gode videoer! jeg ejer forces of nature tattoo studio og hawk ink studio i Roskilde - sjælland.
high five herfra
@@ExpeditionHawk I am from Latvia originally - I live and have my shop in Odense now but my danish language skill is still not there. I am glad that locals also follow channel. And Tusind Tak
I wanna buy one but they said if I don’t work in shop I can’t buy one
That's such BS. I'll just say I work at a shop. There not gona check.
You're both smooth brains
Hey brother, did you ever get one? That's lame af. Not everybody wants to be a Droid working for someone else
Just tell them a shop in your area! They won't call!
I think the same, because just buy them and then not liking it and you realize that u spend all that money and the machine is not for you and that sucks.
compare the vad blad & inkjecta flite 1
I have fake one for 70 $ , and work's amazing, for over 8 mth's
What is it called?
@@TattooShopTalk You tube blokuje odpowiedz
@@TattooShopTalk UA-cam is blocking the answer. Check out the video on my channel.
They don’t work on low voltages, you should mention that
How low do you mean and what for?
@@TattooShopTalk 4v for working on textures as an example, dot shading
That's interesting I'll have to look into that
Yeah they do lolllll
So if i am doing fineline stuff with 1RL-3RL 0.25 which should i use ? Packer or liner ?
In my personal opinion and experience I would go with Shader. If you have a very good control then maybe Packer. They claim that liner can do all lines but for me it would be too strong for small lines. Liner would also be good for dot shading because it's punchy and you can run it slow. That's my answer that doesn't answer anything
Where you from?
From Latvia and located in Denmark
@@TattooShopTalk okay your English sounded like ours here in Finland 💪😁
Many say Dutch for some reason but I'll take Finland as well
Overpriced ( they are 20 pens on the market wich are much cheaper and even better than Bishop products )….Mildly expressed….Shader, packer ,liner =all together over 3000€…..(((. Vlad Blad Ultron pen 2 ( universal machine )- 800€, Vlad Blad Avenger 2 pro ( you got 6 different strokes and much stronger motor than any Bishop machine ) - 700€……… For example…On the end of the day, it's a matter of taste, so this is my personal humble opinion….
I just got the packer and its awesome i do engraving tattoos and i vlad blad avenger 2 pro and the dan kubin sidewinder v3r and the bishop packer is better than the avenger 2 pro in every way
@@oghiphopwreka1938can you do both lining and shading with the packer? I’m starting out and looking for a good versatile gun I can use for different purposes
Which machine I can use 3RL for shading?
Both. I would say liner would be better because you can run it low and it still punches but it's a beast of its own. Packer is more of an all rounder and safer choice.
It would be great if you could try them first