Super cool. Between the stuff you have been putting out and the stuff that mannfish has been doing, this style of video is starting to feel more like microtonal research, spending time honing in on a small corner of the microtonal universe and seeing what its about. Love mannfishs interval studies. I hope more people jump on this style, myself included.
Thank you! I think we are both microtonal-pilling a lot of people at the moment. His work is awesome and I hope to see more sound and music focused creators sharing microtonal beauty.
@@smurphas6119 i am actually writing pieces i find musically fulfilling and using them to exemplify harmony to share beauty i find with others. this is a study but that doesnt mean its not a serious composition or consideration.
It really doesn’t. It’s very dissonant, it sounds like a noise a printer makes when it’s breaking. It does sound kinda COOL, yeah, but it’s not “nice.” It’s harsh and abrasive
I am shocked at how easy to grasp this sounds. (Sounds, mind you, lol. Doubt it's easy to grasp conceptually) Despite being so experimental and alien, there is a real musicality to it. Kinda showcases how far our brains can go in identifying and resonating with patterns I guess.
Sethares describes a period of time in his book where he just kept stretching the octave and got used to it quickly, much to the dismay of a close friend upon hearing his experiments.
I love finding stuff like this due to the sheer absurdity of the sounds. When you listen to more mainstream music, chances are you can pinpoint who they take inspiration from because their music shares similarities. but when it comes to pieces like this, it's so beautifully unique to the artist, expressing what they wish through their knowledge of music theory and unrestrained by what others may think. I'll definitely give your other stuff a look, just maybe not while I'm supposed to be working lmao
Holy crap! I had no idea you were the same person from transvoicelessons! This makes me so happy because I love experimenting with microtonal music. This is such a great coincidence that the two channels you have have stuff I love!
There's something really otherworldly and intense about microtonal music. Like staring into an infinitely powerful deep space reactor, and this is the only sound that erupts from within.
your knack for finding such beautiful microtonal chords and showing people like me just what’s possible in different tunings is so lovely. thank you so much for sharing it
This is insanely beautiful and im out of words. I know this will sound exaggerated but my face is literally covered by tears of sheer happiness and serenity some of the chord movements gave me.
How is this actually being played? Can't imagine being able to read such music quickly enough and having enough fingers and brain power to process it all in real time. Or being able to memorise it all. Interesting for me as an experiment using computers and pre programming though, but imho half or more of the beauty of music is in the real-time playing of a person plus instrument and their input to it. My personal enjoyment of sitting down at the piano and playing something that really moves and transports me, as well as listening to others play. For me it's what sends shivers down my spine and puts tears in my eyes. But each to their own. I do admire the skill of being able to produce this sort of music and the dedication of people who do it and work out all the harmony though. But I think 12 edo became popular for good and practical reasons as well as being able to produce truely beautiful music. As a piano tuner, I am also thinking of the nightmare of how to tune such an instument if it were an acoustic one!
I think this one is played back through the notation software, but Zhea plays the Lumatone in many of her videos. This would be revelatory to hear played by a human, it would lose a lot of rhythmic precision which might be something it needs as an etude to convey intent strongly (considering the wildly xenharmonic upper structures!). Like you, I also prefer a human touch to songwriter-type music, and find this to be a fundamentally different type (which I enjoy for other reasons)
Yes, tuning the piano is what went through my head, as well! 😆 I can do 24tet with my Korg, and actually playing with hands produces such a different perspective on music.
I have perfect pitch, and I understand 12 tone at an extremely deep level. I can always just understand what's going on musically in many ways, whether by hearing it and understanding chord progression, interesting voicing, etc etc. There's something absolutely wonderful about the feeling of hearing something entirely new to the way I process music. I've been obsessed with your content for the last couple days, and I don't see this obsession going away very soon.
I really like this. The expanded palette of notes and intervals seems to beckon me from a preoccupation with the past, and instead point me toward the uncharted future where self expression and creativity are all you have to go on.
It's completely different system but it sounds so beautiful. It's obvious you've put many effort in this and found the intervals thats fits nicely. I hope more people would jump into this music because it can open so many ways to how we perceive music.
I find the harmony fascinating though I imagine the dimwits who dislike this are probably thrown off by the impressionistic rhythms. I think a genuine composition composed like a ballad with consistent rhythms, ostinatos and a lyrical melody using the 32 edo would be awesome and more accessable, even mind expanding, to the average listener.
Oh wow. I’m experiencing music I never thought possible. Do you have a glossary of terms / chord names you used? I’ve not seen “nem,” “jira,” or “rosechord” before!
no glossary on hand but working on a 31 book :) the xenwiki is a place to get started. but id recommend playing with different sounds first. learn the basics of just intonation and harmonics - overtones first imo. effect of tuning is ultimately subordinate to spectra as a whole.
its a vertical version chord of extended mohajira-type structures. this is a very deep “branch“ so there is a lot of subclasses. for example a “true” superjira structure will see 2, t4, and t7 in the base layer but in this piece i used t2 - 4 - b7 in the base layer. this is my favorite neutral sound and it doesnt come from mohajira extension till 24 or 31. superjira to me is when you have a 12-17 note neutral structure. basically like super lydian extended but via the mohajira tree. the voicing in the thumbnail is a quintessential superjira cluster. this piece is more about R - n3 - 4 - b7 though
One day i'll come back to this and understand the harmony, for me right now it's just some weird random piano smashing, many people are saying it sounds aqesome but i don't understand. If one day I come back and am able to understand it, it would be so magical
Not only is it reminiscent of modern pianists, like M. Finnissy (which I love), but it is more concordant/consonant than their "atonal" (more precisely: extreme Romantic chromatic) sound. The piano is sounding a bit tinny, muffled, suffocated even, it seems to me, I'd suggest brightening it up, especially in the lower register, making it sharper, less like a hammer hitting a towel, more like a hammer hitting a blade. It's just a suggestion. Compositionally, this is marvellous, and we need more harmony studies like this one. (Voice-leading studies too.) Simply outstanding study. I applaud thee. P.S.: consider less block chords on the bass clef, and more spaced out voicing. Consider even a _suggestive_ voicing (just the root + the "characteristic intervals" of that chord, say a half-flat third, or something).
thanks for the great feedback! i actually hate bright piano sounds and almost always use piano with mutes + una corda in many cases. i like the tone a lot on this piece except how it sounds on my mobile device. i will explore some brighter timbres for everyone next time. different timbres demand different harmony. ill see what comes out brighter. :) as for the block chords, these short pieces are harmony etudes so i wanted to focus on presenting the object at hand in its most concordant form. the direct object in this piece is a specific voicing and quality: R - 8 - t2 - d3 - P4 - 5 - b7 - t8 - 9 - t11 - t12 its fairly resistant to extra information coming in the low end and i didnt want to invert it much to lose or diminish its “core neutral “ quality for the sake of etude / education. :) thanks so much for your thoughtful engagement. i really appreciate it. looking forward to exploring some brighter piano to get outside my comfy zone ♥️🌸 suggestive voicing is a good way to express it. i tend to think more about voicings than scales or chords anyway
@@ZheannaErose thank you for your detailed response. I will keep engaging as long as I can. You seem to me one of the promises of new music, one of the most invested people in composing actually good sounding xenmusic. And it is the most interesting endeavour, also because it is needed, since xenmusic is so alien to everyone (even me, a theoretician and experimenter of it), we need stuff like what you do. I would even support financially if I wasn't myself in such dire economical circumstances (just a third world school teacher - aka more broke than broke).
@@EmptyKingdomson second listen freshly today i definitely hear what u mean btw. far too dark and muffled - even for my muffled tastes lol. i also greatly appreciate the support!
Can anyone explain to me (or link a source to me about) what a superjira chord is? I'd love to learn more about the world of complex microtonal chords!
support my work and learn more about harmony here: patreon.com/Zheanna
You should try playing D, F and A at the same time. It sounds nice but sad. Like a widower helping out in a charity shop.
this is what sheet music looks like when you first start learning it
i felt similarly when starting to notate 31. it’s intuitive if you play with it!
@@ZheannaErose What do you make your music with?
I actually started learning today. Good lord 😭
This G dorian db7 chord at 0:22-0:24 is unironically sick asf, even with the microtones it’s super pleasant and listenable
Yesss, this was my favorite part. There and 0:41
"Even with the microtones"
*no, because of the microtones*
sounds like something out of zelda
@@pluspenguin bro I was literally thinking that
It just sounds like a dorian arp with a fat chorus effect on one note tbh
you know, sometimes I'm glad 31TET is a thing mostly because you get to bring the joy of listening to it to us!
What's that
@@catsupempire3920 octave is divided into 31 notes instead of 12
@@gp3874 ”octave” 😂
@@anniephylactic octa means 8, which is based off of the 12TET system
@@anniephylactic what? No, I was just bullshitting, being a goofy goober, a stickler for reason. You just said a little mistake and I was being a “🤓”
How can something sounds so chromatic and so harmonic at the same time
Edit: microtones
mmmmmmicrotones
Rhythm.
@@Paby39 i don’t think the tones have to do with rhythm
The chromatic stuff is the most harmonic in my opinion.
Harmony and rhythm
Aw yeah starting my day off with some Unhinged Mega-Jazz, as the gods surely intended
Super cool. Between the stuff you have been putting out and the stuff that mannfish has been doing, this style of video is starting to feel more like microtonal research, spending time honing in on a small corner of the microtonal universe and seeing what its about. Love mannfishs interval studies. I hope more people jump on this style, myself included.
Thank you! I think we are both microtonal-pilling a lot of people at the moment. His work is awesome and I hope to see more sound and music focused creators sharing microtonal beauty.
I will not stop micmaxxing
This is my first introduction to your channel and what a blast it is, never heard anything outside of 12-tet sound so good
literally same here, sooooo enchantingly pleasant!!!!!
x3
I don't know NEARLY enough about music theory to understand what the heck is going on here, but this is a beautiful piece of music.
this sounds so goofy, is just llike overcomplicating music for the sake of doing it 💀
@@aa-nh4gg it’s not a song, it’s more like a study of tones, just showing off chords based around quarter tones and stuff
@@aa-nh4gg music is all preference there is no good or bad music please grow as a person
@@uplay8796 yup, it´s a study not a song, the guy below me is actually right lmao
@@smurphas6119 i am actually writing pieces i find musically fulfilling and using them to exemplify harmony to share beauty i find with others. this is a study but that doesnt mean its not a serious composition or consideration.
0:12 This chord sounds SO NICE
It really doesn’t. It’s very dissonant, it sounds like a noise a printer makes when it’s breaking. It does sound kinda COOL, yeah, but it’s not “nice.” It’s harsh and abrasive
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@@martinvannostrand8488no
this is the first microtonal song ive heard that is actually pleasing to the ears i love this so much
Check out Honey by King Gizzard it’s oddly beautiful
genuinely beautiful harmonies what the fuckk
thank you!
as a whole, it's incredible, but some parts of this really really make my heart sing 😊
I am shocked at how easy to grasp this sounds. (Sounds, mind you, lol. Doubt it's easy to grasp conceptually)
Despite being so experimental and alien, there is a real musicality to it. Kinda showcases how far our brains can go in identifying and resonating with patterns I guess.
Sethares describes a period of time in his book where he just kept stretching the octave and got used to it quickly, much to the dismay of a close friend upon hearing his experiments.
my lord. so beautiful unhappy right now. glad this relieved some of my stress
Absolutely luscious! You're reawakening a fire in this long-lapsed composer. Going to listen to more of your work. With joy and thanks!
not often do i hear something that takes my mind to a new place
I love this because no one would ever know you played a bum note. Perfect for me…
i would know
@@ZheannaErose if that’s true then I’m never playing in-front of you as I’m a rubbish musician.
Man I go crazy thinking about the studies you are coming up with, magnificent!
Gado dms
This is some of the most fresh stuff I’ve heard in a long time. Thank you for sharing with us!
I love finding stuff like this due to the sheer absurdity of the sounds. When you listen to more mainstream music, chances are you can pinpoint who they take inspiration from because their music shares similarities. but when it comes to pieces like this, it's so beautifully unique to the artist, expressing what they wish through their knowledge of music theory and unrestrained by what others may think. I'll definitely give your other stuff a look, just maybe not while I'm supposed to be working lmao
the cadence at 0:39 through 0:45 is so pretty. Tf even is that
I cant stop replaying it
Reminds me of Nahre Sol’s playing ❤
Stunning! This is the kind of music where it feels so right you feel like it was simply discovered
Holy crap! I had no idea you were the same person from transvoicelessons! This makes me so happy because I love experimenting with microtonal music. This is such a great coincidence that the two channels you have have stuff I love!
@@mikesmith6422 shush
Gross
this tickles a veeeery specific itch in my brain. Love it!
Can't stop listening to it, amazing work
I really liked it. It is so interesting and gets to you in the pit of the stomach. Good stuff.
catch me sampling 0:09
Thanks for the genera thoughts in the description, very helpful 🐬
idk how to put it but this sounds like what a giant isopod thinks of
👍👍
I like giant isopod I agree
ohms from nausicaa
Fascinating! I am enthralled by the structure of these sounds.
There's something really otherworldly and intense about microtonal music. Like staring into an infinitely powerful deep space reactor, and this is the only sound that erupts from within.
31 TET is so sparkling and beautiful. I'm glad it's a thing and I'm glad I know about it! 🙂
your knack for finding such beautiful microtonal chords and showing people like me just what’s possible in different tunings is so lovely. thank you so much for sharing it
That one chord smash at 0:18 sounds bhad af. Definitely smashed
Me, without any understanding of music theory whatsoever:
"Ah, yes, the music is made out of notes, of course."
The quick movements surrounding the strikingly clear bell like chords are simply gorgeous. Good stuff!
This thing is weirdly beautiful
This is insanely beautiful and im out of words. I know this will sound exaggerated but my face is literally covered by tears of sheer happiness and serenity some of the chord movements gave me.
How is this actually being played? Can't imagine being able to read such music quickly enough and having enough fingers and brain power to process it all in real time. Or being able to memorise it all. Interesting for me as an experiment using computers and pre programming though, but imho half or more of the beauty of music is in the real-time playing of a person plus instrument and their input to it. My personal enjoyment of sitting down at the piano and playing something that really moves and transports me, as well as listening to others play. For me it's what sends shivers down my spine and puts tears in my eyes. But each to their own. I do admire the skill of being able to produce this sort of music and the dedication of people who do it and work out all the harmony though. But I think 12 edo became popular for good and practical reasons as well as being able to produce truely beautiful music. As a piano tuner, I am also thinking of the nightmare of how to tune such an instument if it were an acoustic one!
I think this one is played back through the notation software, but Zhea plays the Lumatone in many of her videos. This would be revelatory to hear played by a human, it would lose a lot of rhythmic precision which might be something it needs as an etude to convey intent strongly (considering the wildly xenharmonic upper structures!). Like you, I also prefer a human touch to songwriter-type music, and find this to be a fundamentally different type (which I enjoy for other reasons)
@@nowandxenpodcast - so it's just painting on computer
Yes, tuning the piano is what went through my head, as well! 😆 I can do 24tet with my Korg, and actually playing with hands produces such a different perspective on music.
This was so pretty. Thanks for the colors and chaos.
I have perfect pitch, and I understand 12 tone at an extremely deep level. I can always just understand what's going on musically in many ways, whether by hearing it and understanding chord progression, interesting voicing, etc etc.
There's something absolutely wonderful about the feeling of hearing something entirely new to the way I process music. I've been obsessed with your content for the last couple days, and I don't see this obsession going away very soon.
A truly intellectual exercise. I always put this one on to get in the right headspace for my babysitting gig.
Love the microtonal notes!
Thanks! Every pitch in this piece is technically microtonal. This is written in 31-notes per octave. ♥️
The work of this lady is something really unique. Amazing.
This was mesmerizing
I really like this. The expanded palette of notes and intervals seems to beckon me from a preoccupation with the past, and instead point me toward the uncharted future where self expression and creativity are all you have to go on.
sounds amazing
I know this is not 12 tone music, but Arnold Schoenberg would be delighted. I certainly am! Astonishing work. Bravo!
I thought I knew most music theory... now I'm not sure)
Really cool stuff. Sounds 🤯-ing. Espetially if you have perfect pitch
what the holy frigging hamburders, how does one become as amazing at this as you are?
is this a bill wurtz video
It's completely different system but it sounds so beautiful. It's obvious you've put many effort in this and found the intervals thats fits nicely. I hope more people would jump into this music because it can open so many ways to how we perceive music.
Bdb superjira is so beautiful I want to weep 0:25
one of the most instant subscribes for me yet, great stuff
I find the harmony fascinating though I imagine the dimwits who dislike this are probably thrown off by the impressionistic rhythms. I think a genuine composition composed like a ballad with consistent rhythms, ostinatos and a lyrical melody using the 32 edo would be awesome and more accessable, even mind expanding, to the average listener.
Impressionistic rhythms? Lmfao
@@sneeds These people are sniffing their own farts...
For some reason, that chords makes me feel something i have never felt before
What an incredible sound! Could you explain what Superjira means?
Maybe.... The name Jira comes from Godjira or Japanese for Godzilla
a chord with more than 10 notes in it i think
this is honestly so beautiful
can someone smarter than me explain how i can re-create the Bdb superjira @0:26?
C#maj7 left hand
Right hand tumbles down starting with F, C and then from A you descend chromatically. That's as close as you can get
31 holy cow very impressive sounds nice
Your music has ruined 12tet for me, I demand you make more.
peculiar harmonies made captivating composition 👌
Very nice exploration! I'll steal some of the ideas if you'd forgive me!
Absolutely enthralling! Evocative of Wurtz.
Micro tonality is a serious thing in music theory just like avocado toasts are to gastronomy
so many ideas in one minute that i cant stop replaying
This is so beautiful i wish all music sounded like this
Sounds like when you fumble with all your PC error alerts at the same time
0:49 I refuse to believe that number string is a chord name /s. That is a MAC address.
Wow, it feels so ethereal!
Anyone else think they got a Windows alert at 0:36? 🤣
love it
Whoa-this was awesome!!
excellent
its not even that like bad sounding, I kinda like it, its mysterious
Oh wow. I’m experiencing music I never thought possible. Do you have a glossary of terms / chord names you used? I’ve not seen “nem,” “jira,” or “rosechord” before!
no glossary on hand but working on a 31 book :)
the xenwiki is a place to get started. but id recommend playing with different sounds first. learn the basics of just intonation and harmonics - overtones first imo. effect of tuning is ultimately subordinate to spectra as a whole.
So beautiful and interesting!!!
Gorgeous! May I ask what superjira is, though?
its a vertical version chord of extended mohajira-type structures. this is a very deep “branch“ so there is a lot of subclasses. for example a “true” superjira structure will see 2, t4, and t7 in the base layer but in this piece i used t2 - 4 - b7 in the base layer. this is my favorite neutral sound and it doesnt come from mohajira extension till 24 or 31.
superjira to me is when you have a 12-17 note neutral structure. basically like super lydian extended but via the mohajira tree. the voicing in the thumbnail is a quintessential superjira cluster.
this piece is more about R - n3 - 4 - b7 though
@@ZheannaErose that's a whole set of glossary terms for your class.
@@ZheannaErose Oh, of course. Totally get it now. 😂
pure inspiration for microtonal music
This goes hardddd 🔥🔥🔥
Piano be sending us to another plane of existence with forbidden music theory (microtonal)
STUNNING, i almost feel ashamed going back to my humble twelve tones now
just permanently switch to more!
Microcromatocal wonder. Love it. A lot of interesting ideas in one video.
Can I ask what VST you're using to get such nice piano sounds?
pianoteq. its a physically modeled instrument
@@ZheannaErose I see! Thank you for the info; I love your work and have just started working a little in microtonal myself because you inspired me. :)
Finally! I found the Sheet of that Spongebo Episode in which Squidward wakes up in chrome Bikini Bottom. Awesome!
0:36 crunchyyyyyyy
This was a unique experience
0:22 why does that chord actually sound so good wtf
One day i'll come back to this and understand the harmony, for me right now it's just some weird random piano smashing, many people are saying it sounds aqesome but i don't understand.
If one day I come back and am able to understand it, it would be so magical
Not only is it reminiscent of modern pianists, like M. Finnissy (which I love), but it is more concordant/consonant than their "atonal" (more precisely: extreme Romantic chromatic) sound. The piano is sounding a bit tinny, muffled, suffocated even, it seems to me, I'd suggest brightening it up, especially in the lower register, making it sharper, less like a hammer hitting a towel, more like a hammer hitting a blade. It's just a suggestion. Compositionally, this is marvellous, and we need more harmony studies like this one. (Voice-leading studies too.) Simply outstanding study. I applaud thee.
P.S.: consider less block chords on the bass clef, and more spaced out voicing. Consider even a _suggestive_ voicing (just the root + the "characteristic intervals" of that chord, say a half-flat third, or something).
thanks for the great feedback! i actually hate bright piano sounds and almost always use piano with mutes + una corda in many cases. i like the tone a lot on this piece except how it sounds on my mobile device. i will explore some brighter timbres for everyone next time. different timbres demand different harmony. ill see what comes out brighter. :)
as for the block chords, these short pieces are harmony etudes so i wanted to focus on presenting the object at hand in its most concordant form.
the direct object in this piece is a specific voicing and quality:
R - 8 - t2 - d3 - P4 - 5 - b7 - t8 - 9 - t11 - t12
its fairly resistant to extra information coming in the low end and i didnt want to invert it much to lose or diminish its “core neutral “ quality for the sake of etude / education. :)
thanks so much for your thoughtful engagement. i really appreciate it. looking forward to exploring some brighter piano to get outside my comfy zone ♥️🌸
suggestive voicing is a good way to express it. i tend to think more about voicings than scales or chords anyway
@@ZheannaErose thank you for your detailed response. I will keep engaging as long as I can. You seem to me one of the promises of new music, one of the most invested people in composing actually good sounding xenmusic. And it is the most interesting endeavour, also because it is needed, since xenmusic is so alien to everyone (even me, a theoretician and experimenter of it), we need stuff like what you do. I would even support financially if I wasn't myself in such dire economical circumstances (just a third world school teacher - aka more broke than broke).
@@EmptyKingdomson second listen freshly today i definitely hear what u mean btw. far too dark and muffled - even for my muffled tastes lol. i also greatly appreciate the support!
That final chord got such a deep stankface from me. This is amazing work.
Can I ask what tool you used? This isn't a performance, right, it's a computer playing it? What did you use to notate and play it?
Thank you for blessing my ears…
Music theory on steroids
You're collecting exotic chords like Yugioh cards, and they sound sick af
Can anyone explain to me (or link a source to me about) what a superjira chord is? I'd love to learn more about the world of complex microtonal chords!
0:41 that f flat superjira sounds nice
do you have any long videos like this? I love it so much please make more
yes. i have full pieces and also long form music theory content on my channel. :)
I needed to hear this so much
It reminds of those certain aphex twin tracks that are precious to me
so true