What does it cost to race a legend car in 2023?
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Today we talk about the cost of legend car racing in Michigan in 2023 and how affordable it really is. - Спорт
Good vid. pit passes, entry fees and sanction fees really add up over the year.
As a former midget team co-owner the first thing you learn is that buying the racecar is the cheapest part of the deal. In addition to the car and spare parts you need a place and a whole set of tools to work on it, a trailer to tow it, a rig big enough to tow it and the crew and tools to work on it at the track and, of course, fuel for the rig and maintenance on the tow rig as needed. If you have a day job, like we did, sometimes we needed to take time off without pay to go racing. Was it worth it? Hell Yeah! Did we make money? Hell No!
Couldn’t agree more with this!
Wow that's crazy cheap compared to my template car that's been sitting in my garage the past two years, because I cant afford tires! I'm gonna take a serious look into these cars. Thanks for the video!
Thank you for this info. You explained it very well.
Great video!!!! Please keep them coming. Unfortunately were in Texas but I’m looking to get my son into it soon and this type of information really helps.
Glad I can help
Great video man! Looking forward to seeing you run
Thank you! Hoping to be on track at least once before the first race weekend
Good job on the video. Thank you. I’m looking for more from you.
Thank you for posting this! I am way down here in central Florida but I am desperately trying to get into racing any way that I can and these cars seem cool to me. I wish I were up there id ask to crew for you! But thanks for posting like I said and I made sure to subscribe
Hope you can get into one! They seem to have a pretty decent car count down there in Florida
Thanks for this video. I recently purchased a used car and there isn't much information about them on UA-cam. I also agree with spears3667's comment, would love to see a video about things you wished that you knew when you started. Best of luck this year!
No problem! I will try and come up with a way to incorporate that into a video.
Good information thanks for the feedback
No problem!
Great informational video. Thanks
Thanks for the feedback!
Thanks for posting this! Looking to get into racing here in NY.
Awesome! They have a solid group of cars out there
we got nothing but a ton of rain in the south so i feel you on the weather delays
Hopefully it clears up soon for everyone.
I'm from ks and unfortunately we don't have those down here. But my fiancé and I were in Pennsylvania 3 yrs ago and we got to watch them for the first time. They looked like a lot of fun and everyone was competitive in them. Hearing this I honestly think a lot of tracks around here could run those since they're not omg expensive. Love the video. Very informative.
Sorry to hear you don’t have these out there. Hopefully you can find someone to start them out there!
We use to run these out in Dodge City but once the track went to dirt we lost the series.
@@matthewtuxhorn9117 that would have been fun to watch. I love going out west to watch races at DCRP
Great Video Aj!
Thanks buddy!
Thanks for posting this. I first saw Legends race at Whittemore Speedway 2 weeks ago and I was mesmerized. Very cool cars, amd exciting racing. I'm not young anymore but man I want to figure out how to get into this.
They are very fun to drive that’s for sure. I believe there are a few other guys selling cars up your way.
We're actually a couple hours south of Whittemore but we have a place about 40 min from that track. Looking forward to seeing you on the track again 👍
Don’t do it…too many rules and only one supplier. $$$$
Dwarf racing check it out first!
i ran a pair of 240 sx back in 06-09 the non wear items were the cheapest part... the more expensive the cars get/ the more publicity the event gets the more hands are involved at each track collecting fees
Great informative video. Really good breakdown and perfect for me to plan ahead as I'm starting to get big into karts and looking at national events and next steps.
Great thumbnail too, that's what really got me here!
Thanks man! We are going to start aiming at trying to hit at least 1 national event a year weather it’s spring series, winter nationals, or fall nationals
Good informative video, thank you. If I was 10 or 20 years younger I'd jump in.
That’s why there is a masters class!
@@AJBunch6 a gray haired league. Never heard of the Masters , I'm going to look into that. Thanks.
Great video .. Keep it up.
Thank you
awesome thank you very much!!!
Hey great video. Can you make a video about the things you wish you knew when you started running legends cars? Another idea is how to find a set up for a new track. Thank you😊
I can try and think of something along those lines.
Who would have thought this would be cheaper than motorcycle racing.... jeeeez...... that's awesome! big bikes are 18k new now, you can get used for about 9k, plus 500 bucks for tires each day or sometimes twice a day. 10 gallons of fuel should get you through the weekend. Track prices are 200-300 a day. Transponders are about 500, crash fairings are about 1k, exhaust and tune to be competitive about 2k. 3k for suspension, Gear is about 2k average.... so to get into Motorcycles lets call it 12-14k average for liter bikes maybe 8-10k for 600 class.
How far apart are the reces? What time of year does this series race? Awesome video. You answered most of my questions about it.
It all depends on what state you are in. Up here the races are every other week for the most part. They race feb thru October if you want to travel for the national events.
We got a rain, snow, and cold delay to our start in Wisconsin too. Not looking promising for this weekend either
Weather will break in a few weeks more then likely here.
instead of a gop[ro you could use a 360 camera so you dont have to worry about the angles and can reframe after the shot
buying a used car is the way 100%...you get something proven and already built and most come with a ton of spares and usually extra tires/wheels
I would recommend going the used route for the first car because of that point.
Just watched a dirt race in the south. They ran these after a 50 lap modified main with 26 cars. That crap was obnoxiously slick and then the legends cars were on there. Poor guys. It was pretty much impossible to keep the cars straight. Luckily only 4 cars were in that so there were no big crashes but the short wheel base and pretty much driving on ice....
These cars look fun, I'm kind of considering getting one.
They are a blast to drive
That's not too bad at all. In fact, I was kindly expecting it to be more than that to be honest about it. I'd love to get into this but I'm too old and now permanently disabled. I'd like to get a street legal version of the sedan with a Harley Davidson motor and transmission. That would be cool too.
The costs of racing is why one definitely needs sponsors. I helped my nephew race a Pure 4 asphalt car about six or seven years ago. A lot of fun, but a lot of work, especially if your driver has a wreck every other week 😂. Even with sponsorship he had a lot out of pocket. Ya for sure don't get into it for the money! Thanks for the video.
Sponsors are a key part of racing that’s for sure.
@@AJBunch6 oh, without them there's no way we could have done it. Those people running LMS, Mod Street, etc, must have BIG bucks. He was blessed because I could build engines, fab up body panels, do suspension work, etc. And it helps to have a good garage with ALL the tools.
Also very true!
To save time to race one it costs about 3k for the body 6-8k for engine the rest ranges from 2-4k
Wow. I remember in 2005-2006 the cost for a brand new legends car was $25,000 used were going for as low as $12,000
That new price is with no upgrades. If you add upgrades on the low drag front you’ll get up to that number.
Great video. I live in Virginia and Langley speedway is only 30 mins from me. I've been wanting to get into racing for a while being an avid race fan, avid iRacer (asphalt oval with anything from legends to cup,) and regular Langley attendee. This video has given me some good insight into what I'll be looking at cost wise just to get started. Would it be of any benefit for me to start talking with the local guys? See about working with a race team for a bit? Just to get that insight before wanting to be a driver owner?
Awesome! Langley seems like a great facility. I absolutely think it would be beneficial to start talking with some teams there and seeing if you can start working with them to start learning.
@@AJBunch6 yeah it's a good track. Always great racing there. And that's my thought too. A good opportunity to network and get that mechanical experience and how race nights work from the team standpoint. And as a studying A&P I think it would be beneficial in that regard. Race teams like to hire aircraft Mechs for some reason 🤭
I race with EPI, a setup shop for iRacing and there's a couple legends guys in the shop who race at Langley. Been chatting with them so may reach out to one and see about working with the team for a bit 👍
Good luck man!
Do costs change much for different tracks like [road race, autocross, dirt, asphalt], in your experience/hearing? I'm an engineer in metro Detroit and eager for the challenge of setting a car up for those different types of tracks, but wary of expenses, lack of variety, etc. Two races a year at Waterford Hills would be THE DREAM, for example
This is so helpful, AJ, thank you for making time to explain!
I haven’t heard much of a difference between the different disciplines. With these being spec parts it’s not like the dirt stuff cost more then the asphalt stuff in my opinion.
That makes sense, @@AJBunch6! I'll see if I can come check out the class at Birch Run on the 12th
Awesome!
What a great video. Thank you. I am in Michigan what tracks do you race at?
This year we are racing at flat rock, birch run, and Whittemore
@@AJBunch6 Thank you for your reply. Do you know when you will be racing Flat rock? I didn't see Legends on the schedule. I see dwarf cars but not Legends.
June 3rd
How many cars have you been seeing at you races show up every week?Also what is the payout system and how much can you get if you win or place?Also what kind of safety equipment is required,type of helmet,fire suit ect.?
It all depends on the state you live in, Michigan gets around 10 cars but states like North Carolina get 25-30 each show. Payouts depend on the track and that determines the breakdown. You need a snell 2015 or newer helmet currently and and sfi rated fire protection for the rest of the safety equipment.
thanks@@AJBunch6
Don't forget tools and the equipment to pull the race car from track to track.
Yes that is definitely a cost that has to be factored in when you are starting up
Love the legends a lot, I wish they where on TV. I was thinking of getting one a making it driver for the rod and go to car shows. Can they be road reg. I from Ohio.
Yes there are a decent amount of street legal ones out there. There are a couple dealers in Ohio you could talk to about getting one.
@@AJBunch6 Thanks for your reply. I'll look into it.
great video I love it! I am 14 and want to get into racing, you covered a lot of good things, but what about the question of how and how costly would a legends car be to transport. I live in san diego and there are some tracks around california but not by me so I would have to do a bit of traveling. If you could reply to my comment it would be well appreciated.
That is a fluid question with no real exact answer. It would be the cost of buying a trailer, fuel for your truck which is always changing and depends on how far you are going.
@@AJBunch6 do you have any trailer recommendations?
If you can afford an enclosed trailer that’s the way to go. But I have seen some really nice open trailers as well. So it all depends on what your budget allows.
@@AJBunch6 ok thanks a lot this is very helpful.
Glad to hear
Thank you for the video, currently running Late model stuff but it is getting out of control expensive. Looking at Legend cars as an option, what track do you run in Michigan? I was on U.S. Legends website and they didn't have any scheduled for Michigan.
We run at birch run and Whittemore and had a race at flat rock
@@AJBunch6 I have been to Birch Run several times, is there a sanctioning body you run with or just bounce track to track?
I just try and support the legends. A lot of series will run by the inex rules even if they aren’t sanctioned which makes these cars come down to driver
All sounds very similar to spec karting! Any racing in and around Southern Illinois/St. Louis (non-dirt)?
Not sure on that one. You can go to the us legends website and they have a link to who your local dealer would be.
@AJBunch6 I appreciate that! Definitely considering upgrading from karting in several years so this is all very useful. Good man and good luck!
Once you take the FZ out for a practice night you’ll understand it is the only way to go…. No rush for fans when you come in, no waiting for the engine to cool down, no chasing oil leaks etc.etc.. Just make your adjustments to set up and get back in line. Race nights are less stressful with the FZ also.
Nice videos by the way.
I’m excited for that. But honestly it wasn’t a huge deal with our 1250.
@@AJBunch6
I just found you could almost double your practice time depending on the car count. Plus the chances of the good ole boom are greatly reduced.
Well we want to avoid the good ol boom that’s for sure!
Can you please tell me the name of the font used for the race number. Thanks
I’m not exactly sure. I do know it’s similar to the one RFK uses
Are you aware of anyone with Afco's yet? How are they running?
We got similar weather over here in Northern Idaho
Most of the teams in North Carolina have them and I would expect to be getting a set soon. They were running pretty good at spring series from what I could tell but I don’t think it’s a make or break item.
Are you able to break these tires down by yourself or do you need a machine to do it? My dad used to be able to break down the tires on his mod by hand so just makes me curious
If you get a bead breaker for a 13” tire you should be able to
Is there a choice of tires, that's allowed? Like softer for cold/rain, harder for hot weather?
There is a spec tire for dirt, and a spec tire for asphalt. There is a rain tire that can be run on road courses
Thanks for the cost information. What kind of money can you earn from racing to offset some of the cost?
It really comes down to how often you are having to replace parts, sponsors, and the purse at your specific track.
I think the question was???? What does the tracks pay back after the race ,, do they pay or not regardless were you finish,, at the price you said that's for the year cost us more just in tires
It depends on the track. I raced in races that were 5k to win and ones that were $300 to win. There really isn’t a set pay scale for the class.
Sorry for the sarcastic comments that someone made. Do you know the best place to look for a legend car. I would like to try to get started with maybe someone wanting to sell Thank you
The just legends page on Facebook is a good place to start. That’s where a lot of guys are posting their stuff nowadays.
They are not cheap to run anymore. I ran with the BFG tires and even getting them cut they were cheap. I ran open fj motors.
The price has went up that’s for sure. But compared to some other forms of racing it is still pretty affordable in retrospect.
great video.....good to know how much it cost...........but.......how much do you win?????.........
That all varies on the track. It’s anywhere from $200 all the way up to $5000 for the bigger races
How often do frames get bent? What does a hard crash where the front end hits a wall at a 45 deg. angle cost to repair assuming the frame isn't bent but all the suspension has to be replaced?
That really depends on how often you wreck. If you take it to someone to do the clip you are looking at around $500-750 per clip after parts and labor. A lot of the suspension parts you can get in package deals that save you money as well. If you were to knock the whole front end off which rarely happens where you can’t salvage one side of the car you are looking at around 1-3k depending on if you buy all new stuff or get used deals.
@@AJBunch6 Thanks man. This is so tempting but our local 1/3 mi. clay track gets so rutted up on race day I don't think my ol' body could handle the abuse.
What kind of purses do you guys run for? Like compared to a hornet or street/hobby/pure stock
I can’t speak for those classes but up here we have a race that pays 5K to win along with several $600 to win shows and the other tracks vary on what it pays to win.
This is amazingly inexpensive compared to every other kind of racing I’ve seen
It has gone up slightly since I’ve made this video, but yes compared to other forms of racing it is still very reasonable.
@@AJBunch6 back in my NASA HPDE days, the Corvette guys would burn through a set of massively wide tires in a weekend and I was always shocked at their consumable rate
Do you have to travel to every track across the country or do you just go regular to the same track? That may be the difference between it being doable or not for me
They race at so many tracks you can normally find a place that runs them a decent amount per year.
@AJBunch6 I'm planning to move closer to a track. I'm thinking Springfield because it's only 3 hrs away. Thank you for the info. I still don't understand how the series is run. At first I thought it was like nascar where you would have to travel to a different state every weekend.
Where do you go to buy these cars? Want to convert one to run in SCCA Auto X
I would start on the Just Legends Facebook page. There are a ton of cars up for sale right now with it being the offseason.
My dad had 1 in 1999 and cost was probably 8000
You could be competitive with a car around that number if you are willing to put the time and effort into it.
I live in Plymouth Indiana and looking at get in this class. I've seen used cars for like 7,000 complete. And where are you racing at
We race up in Michigan but there are 4-5 tracks down in Indiana that race legends pretty regularly. Those are a great group of guys.
Today I just found a place down in Indy called third turn and they are right next to one of the tracks that race the Legends all the time so I'm going to give them a call next week after the holiday and I am following you but just to let you know
@jerryjohanan1940 good deal man! I would say give Edsall Racing Development a call as well. They are in that area and are super friendly and knowledgeable.
Where do y’all race up here never seen this class at any track in west Michigan dirt/pavement
Birch Run, Corrigan Oil, Whittemore, Flat Rock, Onaway those are just some of the tracks we have raced the past few years.
Engine rebuilds? How frequent? How much?
For 1250 engines you are looking at $4500 or so every 25-30 races as long as you take care of them. With the FZ motors you can go a lot longer from what we all have been told.
I want to get started racing but still trying to see how to started up
If you want to get started you should go to your local track and talk to some of the drivers. They will be able to help guide you in the direction of cars for sale.
Thank you
Hi, I’m 13 and I want to get into legends racing, but I don’t know if I need any past experience in racing. Do you know?
Also how do I convince my parents to help me out with buying a legends car??
If you are 13 I would suggest running a year in bandos and then moving to legends. As far as convincing your parents I would say sit down and have a conversation with them and tell them how much you really want to do it and see if you can work out a deal with them.
Ok, thanks for the advice.
@kalebkerr3965 no problem!
Dude is there a publication or website I can find for these items for sale??
The us legends website has a list of dealers. If you are wanting new you can call your local dealer. If you are looking for used you can find a lot of listings on the just legends Facebook page.
Just curious, is there any specific website or place to go find those cars to buy??
On Facebook there are pages like Just Legends and Legends cars and parts for sale that a lot of cars will get posted on.
Thank you!! I appreciate it, and I thought your video was very informative!! I live in Grand rapids mi. I use to run mini stocks on dirt here in Michigan and one of the tracks I grew up going to would run legends like once a season. I always liked and wondered about those legends. If you get a minute, what tracks run them on an every week schedule here in Michigan?? I am curious to know how far I'd drive to the tracks. Again, thanks a bunch!!!
@rogerthacker7515 in Michigan, Whittemore Speedway runs them 6 times a year, Birch run is running them 4 times this year, and Flat Rock ran them once this year when the Canadian series came over.
I would like to do this but it just seems like a really expensive hobby. For the investment I’d need to make a little. Just a little
You can come close to even but I don’t know that you will ever truly make a profit
I know a guy who won the lottery and bought a $200,000 drag car and close to another million on the hauler. He travels the country drag racing, sightseeing and pissing cash.
You didnt touch on how many nights you go on a motor. I know the 09 is supposedly more durable than 1250s were
The 1250 we had good luck with and went 30 or so nights on it and that motor is still running strong for the guy who bought it. With the 09 I have seen guys do a rebuild after 30 nights and have heard there are still some out there in the 70-80 range. It all depends on how you take care of it.
@@AJBunch6 very true rpm is also a factor
How about room inside car? Very kool video
What more specifically?
@AJ Bunch I'm 6'1 265. Would I have room to drive with full equipment on?
I think so. You can get a 17-18” seat in these. It may be a little snug but if you went to your local track and asked to sit in one you may get a better idea.
What about association fees?
There is an inex sanction fee at the beginning of the year that is $175 currently
Any suggestions for sedan spring rates for road courses?
I’m not super familiar with the road course stuff but I would assume you would want a balanced setup to help stabilize cornering weights turning both left and right.
Not gonna lie, when I first saw the thumbnail I thought an old family friend (Rick Carelli) had gotten back in a car as that was his old number and looked to be styled almost Identically to his. He never raced in a legend though. Racing is a very expensive hobby/career to get into. But aren't all the best toys?
They are definitely the best toys!
where do you buy this at in michigan
The actual dealer now would be Jim Leasure at corrigan oil speedway, but if you are looking for used the just legends Facebook page always has cars that are for sale.
What engine are in these cars????
Either a Yamaha 1200, sealed Yamaha 1250, Yamaha FZ09, or the newest motor the MT09
Where do you race in Michigan?
The only track racing in Michigan this year is Whittemore speedway
Hi
Where would you find a used legend car?
You can find a lot of them on either Racingjunk.com or the Just Legends Facebook page
@@AJBunch6 are they able to fit a 6ft tall dude comfortably?
A sedan should be able to. Or a big boy coupe. Go to your local track and ask to sit in one from a racer. A lot of guys are more then willing to help people out at the track.
@@AJBunch6 okay, thanks for the info!! 100% subscribed to ya and I’ll keep ya updated on how it goes!
Awesome!
Are the 8-10 races all local?
For us it was a little bit of both.
How about the purses you are receiving?
Up here in Michigan we race for anywhere between $350 to win, to $600 to win, to $5000 to win at our big race.
Chances are Ross Chastain is at fault for something in this video!
😂😂
Another vanity video. Title should be "Watch me talk about a Legend Car"
If you don’t want to be a field filler you have to go big or go home.
That’s not true. Guys up here have won in cars from 2000 and new cars. It all depends on how you set them up and your driving capability.
You forgot the "purse" variable. What's it pay for each position from 1st to 5th?
That all depends on the track or series you race with. Up here it could be $350 to win all the way up to $5k to win on our big race night.
@@AJBunch6 Thank you.
Thanks for the info ! Im 6'4 How much room is in that thing ? Can tall guys run them ?
If you got a big boy chassis it gives you a little bit more room. You could probably fit but I would go to your local track and ask someone if you could sit in their car first.
@@AJBunch6 Thanks !
Charging the crew tickets is lame as F.
Racing is gone with the wind. No money in it, if you want a trophy go buy it at flea market.
To save time to race one it costs about 3k for the body 6-8k for engine the rest ranges from 2-4k