As an artist I relate to Ena so much. There are so many times where I'll think my art improved a lot, but then I'll look at other's pieces and then realize that I didn't improve one bit. Watching this makes me want to get a paper and keep practicing.
i remember a teacher once held up something i drew and told the class "this is how NOT to draw this" and this reminded me of it, criticism is good but some of this is just plain harsh 😭 enanan too relatable
ena's eyes turning Mafuyu-like gave me the chills... she n all of 25ji needs all the hugs I wonder if we'll ever see Kanade's eyes mafuyufied in the future?
We actually saw Kanade with Mafuyufied eyes!! It was in the main story, when Kanade was in middle school. I don't really remember, but it was either 10 or 11 chapter
As an artist, Ena has always felt relatable to me, but this time she felt the most relatable. My art teacher would always shower other students with praise but for me she would only point out the mistakes. Criticism is very important but at the same time only getting the mistakes point it out made me feel less talented, so yeah, relatable
This is actually so sad :( I understand this kind of treatment very well, so I really feel sorry for you. But even so, that doesn't make you less talented. It only makes your teacher less kind and understanding.
@@jaycy7024 thanks, it's fine now! That was 4 years ago and since then I've made so much progress and decided to go to art uni, so I needed to get help from the same teacher again. I do anime art, but I assumed she disliked that so I tried to do different styles. She said that something was missing from those pieces and supricingly when I showed her my anime art, she liked it a lot more :)
as someone with rsd (rejection sensitive dysphoria) i really felt this, not gonna lie. getting criticized and feeling like it's a death sentence? yeah, BIG mood but also good GRIEF she lost the lights in her eyes, ena buddy you good? you need a hug??
@@yuni3124 that's a good way of putting it, but also rather surface level. it also applies to even *perceived* rejection, criticism, etc. for people with rsd, even a chance at someone being upset at you feels kind of like the end of the world, causing you to jump to worst case scenarios (for example "nobody laughed at my joke, i must have not read the room correctly and now they all hate me for being insensitive!" not exaggeration- a very common conclusion someone with rsd might come to)
Yoooo it's literally Blue Period,but more seriously poor Ena the girl doesn't have any adults's (her teacher and father) support,I know that to be an artist is hard but to discourage someone's dream is heartbreaking
Didn't know about Blue Period, but now want to check it out 😳 I also know that any job/work that has to do with creativity is hard and REALLY competitive, because perception of "beautiful" and "interesting" differs from person to person, but this story and how little support Ena gets was just... CRUSHING to see ngl 💀
kinda spoiler : in the last chapter, yukihira-sensei calling this scene back (which is 2 years ago in Proseka timeline), you know what? she still remembers Ena's painting. And say something along the line "your painting expressing that you want to know yourself" I think she cares about Ena after all. p.s. English isn't my first language, sorry
@@NJackie tbh I have had art teachers that were incredibly skilled and harsh (one even graded us through an excel spreadsheet) and I have had other ones that were very nice and really mindful of our feelings. Tbh I took very important lessons from both types of teachers but I do appreciate the first type for being so direct about my shortcomings even if it did hurt my feelings. It really depends what works best for each artist I think? Ideally a balance between both types would be best imo, since art is a passion for so many of us (kinda like nurturing the passion vs the skills)
this is...exactly why I avoided art school. It seems like professional art is focused on improvement above all else, like it's the only thing that matters, wether you hate drawing because nothing you make feels meaningful be damned, it doesn't matter progress above all else. You have to force yourself to push through and put yourself through the ringer to improve even if that makes you regret ever drawing in the first place. It's...disgusting demoralizing filthy stupid meaningless, why do a thing you hate? Why make yourself hate a hobby you love just cuz some old fart says it's not good enough? Why do they think people have to be broken first to improve? Why don't they realize that if a person has no support, no one who says they're good no one who says they're enough, they can't handle criticism? People weren't meant to have their confidence torn to shreds with no one vouching for them, people can't brush off rude comments if no one ever tells them they did a good job. Are there really this many "professionals" that suck at giving good feedback and critique. Do they really hate their jobs this much, they love talking about how hard and terrible and lonely the art world is, why the hell are you still in it then? Get out if you hate it so much, it's not your damn right to make other people hate it as much as you do. Sorry for the rant but damn this is a sore spot, i hate these people so much, i hate these people that ruthlessly bully kids cuz they think they're too stupid to understand "some people will be harsh, be ready for that" instead they test how much abuse it takes them to break like some fucking car crash dummy. Doesn't matter how many break cuz the good ones will make it right? I...hate, i hate hate hate these people so damn much and thank god i have a sense of guilt stopping me cuz i want to punch them and insult them just as much as they did those kids, make them feel like the failures they made so many people believe they were. Can't people just stop bullying children is it really that hard...eugh
I understand your feelings. I was in art school myself and dropped out after a year exactly because of this reason. It started off pretty fine to me and I liked it, but then noticed that my art wasn't getting better compared to other students. And so my teacher began to push me more and more, sometimes even bully me. I waited until the school year ended through a lot of mental pain (I was a very young child at the moment that's why any critique + my own self-hate really were messing me up) and then finally stopped attending classes. Dropping out of the art school was probably the only truly wise decision I'ver ever made in my life 💀 Also, yeah, I hate people, who bully children just to assert themselves and feel better about themselves; or to "prepare kids for harsh reality". A lot of teachers in my ordinary school are like this and I honestly can't wait to graduate and leave them already 😭🙏
@@jaycy7024 God that sounds so painful- I'm glad you're out of there at least! And yea even in ordinary schools teachers can still be so hurtful, my friend's geography teacher loves to call them dissapointments for anything they do but they won't fire her cuz they don't have a replacement, even if multiple parents have tried to sue her for throwing away kids' phones. It's all just so messed up and tiring, teachers bully as much as they like and schools don't bother dealing with it. I hope the time you've got left at school won't be too bad fr, I'm graduating soon too and I can't wait for it
@@babann_57 the case with geography teacher reminded me of our physics teacher. Like I literally thought I was reading the description of her rn 💀 Also thank you for your concern. I'm myself glad that I dropped out out art school ☺️ and thank you for wishing me luck. Hope you'll spend your time until graduation well too :D
When you are young they praise you for drawing shapes prettily When you get older they want you to utilise the shapes to express inner emotion. The thing is not everyone does art to relay emotion. Some draw to see an image, and it’s hard to consistently make something ‘worth it’ just because I can’t think deeply or be an emotional poet all the time.
i relate to ena very strongly, i'm also an artist who has gotten a lot of praise in the past but has lately had a hard time and hearing less positive comments about my art, it's a horrible feeling and then you start to subconsciously compare yourself to others and it just makes it worse, i almost even quit at art entirely but luckily i have a good support system that helped me push through, i feel like i've lived in this exact 5 minutes of ena's storyline and its so strange to relate to a character's story so much (also i couldn't help but think of the song "Average" by Sushi Soucy because it fits too well here)
@@jaycy7024 thank you, things have been getting a bit better, and honestly i watch your videos for distraction so you've been unknownly helping me too!
Why do i feel like ena isn’t doing it just for the sake of the compliments existing but because the compliments make her feel better about her art yk what i mean?
Oh, I understand!! I kinda thought about it too. It's like she indeed does it for compliments, but only because she's lacking support in general. She doesn't receive it from anyone, so she believes that, if she draws, people are gonna give her the love she needs and longs for
the more Niigo got more story, the more i kinda feel happy for Kanade and the other Niigo to cover for each other. Kanade appreciates Ena's Arts, Mafuyu helped ease Kanade's burdened of overworking herself before Ena and Mizuki joined, Ena waiting for Mizuki to finally open up and Mizuki for always being there to ease up any tension any the them has. they're all troubled to an extreme degree but they stood up for each other. i knew it was the right decision to pick them as my starting group
Reading all these comments about peoples experiences in art classes from around the world really got me thinking, art classes here in Australia are really weird. You don't get overly harsh criticism from teachers trying to shove you into a box, instead they don't really do anything at all. They don't critique, they don't assign, they don't help. It's all "self-directed" which means that the student has to chose and plan what you're doing themselves, and even if the teacher wanted to give criticism or help you, they can't cuz they dont know what you're doing. This sounds good, but in practice it means that you feel like you havn't learned or achieved anything, because there's no one guiding you; the teacher is just there to make sure you don't shove a crayon up your nose. It really is the bad opposite to what I've seen in most parts of the world.
My art teacher (not in art school, but in ordinary school) was the same, honestly. She never really,,, praised anyone. Only would point out that we were talentless and... well, she was mostly in the classroom just to make sure we don't kill each other. It was disappointing and made me lose interest in art for a long time. By the way, I live in Russia, so yeah-
In Italy we have different types of High Schools depending on what you want to study, for example there are scientific High schools, and also Artistic High schools. (There are many types of school but I’ll focus on my experience) I went to an Artistic one, and I relate soooo much with Ena, because our professors always pressured us students to do things a certain way, and I found myself thinking I wasn’t good enough because of that, I couldn’t see any improvement in what I did and when I did improve, no one acknowledged it. Now that I graduated from High School I feel much better about my art luckily
Damn, that's actually insane. I study in ordinary school, but have emphasis on the humanities. And our teachers are pressuring us literally into dropping out from 10th grade and go into college already, because they "don't have faith in us" 💀 That can really shatter anyone's self-esteem. And I can imagine how hard it was for you... Glad you already graduated and are feeling better now :3
no cus like ena is so relatable for me a bit TOO relatable. ena is one of the reasons i started crying at the 25ji main story and just this 5min video made me cry as well☹️☹️☹️
I've just started practicing drawing last year and... I can literally say that I was Ena some months ago, even got to the point where I would get panic attacks every night because of the frustration that other artists could draw much better than me. I just want to give her a hug rn and tell her that everything will be alright. I really love her, and it breaks my heart to see her like that
Oh, I get the feeling a lot. Tho my problem isn't about art, but about writing. Some years ago I remember myself tearing my stories apart and deleting some stuff I posted online because of panic attacks and constant fear of not being good enough. So seeing this made me wanna hug Ena so much 😭 25ji stories indeed trigger the worst and most depressed parts of ourselves huh,,,,,,
Saaame I'm like Ena too !😭I always tell myself that my drawings suck and that I don't draw enough, that my art is empty compared to others😅Thanks for this translation !
I hope you can feel better about your art right now. I had those panic attacks and self loathe quite some years ago cause I want people in social media to notice me. Now that I am learning anatomy , color values, composition more, I feel more like a real artist nowadays and doesn't need other people's praises and stuff that much. Praises are basically icing on the cake nowadays. I just feel right at home, now that I feel, 'enough'
Something I like about Puroseka is how every character has their own backstory that each and every different person can relate too. It’s not just some ✨ give Oc tragic background ✨. It’s like a lot of struggles people deal with on the daily
I'm hoping you guys will be able to finish this event's last chapter. It makes me cry like a baby. For those who hate her teacher, I'll just drop some spoilers here. . . . . . . . “If you only want praise, I will not critique your drawing anymore But that would stop you from growing. As an instructor and a painter, I will continue to critique." Young Ena was ‘overconfident’ in her skills because she was always complimented by others around her. You can clearly see from the previous chapter and this chapter that she was too obsessed(? sry not sure about the word since English is not my language…)with the teacher's compliments. She is too young to understand how cruel this path is, so her dad chooses to says those heartbreaking words to her. Even though I disagree with the way her dad did, I still understand her teacher. Parenting is not the same as teaching. His words are harsh, and he is strict, but everything he said about Ena’s drawing is true, she accepted it and she always respect him; unfortunately, she was not ready to handle that critique at the time, thanks to papa. He's doing his job as a teacher, and in Asia there're a lot of this type of teacher, so I'd say he's fine because he's doing a hard critique rather than a hard criticism. Even the words are harsh, he says it in a polite way (Japanese culture), and he isn’t just critiquing her works, He’s actually TEACHING and GUIDE her after the class ended. (He always do but SEGA just only show it in the last chapter ;( )
I did finish the event as was glad that Ena got both the critique and support she needed from her teacher. Still, I can't get rid of this awful feeling in the gut, like something just wasn't right there. Maybe that's just me though?
@@jaycy7024 I believe you are not the only one who feels like that. I also have complicated feelings after finishing this event. Even I understand the reason behind their act, and I also believe they don't have bad intentions but meh......why can't everyone be more kind to this young girl? She was just 14-15 when all of this happen, so YES it's awful and the fact that her dad immediately destroyed her dream right after she start talking about her future just makes my blood boiled. . As for her teacher, even I didn't hate him but if I can choose between him and other teachers with comparable skills and experience but who were kinder, I would go with the latter. LOL Btw, I'm glad Ena is finally able to confront and move on from her painful memories of drawings. I hope my baby will be happy from now on v--v
I relate to Ena too. I had a huge passion for drawing since i was a child. Many people in my sight didn`t wanted to see me as an artist. When i wanted to go to art school, the teachers refused to accept me. Under te pretext "you`re not talented enough to study in our art school". This knocked me out of the rut, and I didn't want to practice drawing, or even study fine art in general.. .... (Благодарю Вас за перевод этой главы. ☺ Удивительно, что многие комментаторы здесь видят в Эне самих себя. Да и в принципе, видят в членах "25-ji Nightcord" схожие черты с самими собой)
Боже,,, если бы мне такое сказали в художественной школе, я бы, наверное, навсегда потеряла желание рисовать. Мне очень жаль, что с Вами это случилось :( (Найткорды - это одна большая жиза для людей. Но Эна уже просто на новом уровне, честное слово)
I don't exactly relate to Ena. Mostly because since young i was always told to "not get cocky" when getting praised for my art. Maybe it helped me not get into situations like Ena did, but it did make me scared of receiving praises But really, no artist deserves to go through what Ena went through. For artists, writers and performers, our work is something so personal and so nuanced that no singular person should make a definitive judgement for them. There will be people who love and people who hate our work, but most importantly you as the creator have to love your own work. I wish for everyone in the comments (and myself!) to stay strong in our paths of self-love :)
I can empathize with Ena on an expertise perspective. There's this feeling of envy and jealousy of introducing someone to a hobby/medium you love and then you see them do much better than you no matter how much work you put in. Ena constantly is troubled by the fact that she essentially has to work her way up against those who already have talent. It eats her up inside. In all honesty, I don't understand why people ship her with Mizuki when Kanade is a far more interesting pairing. Ena doesn't have talent so she's constantly envious of people who have it, but then there's Kanade who blames her talent for her father's current state, so she's constantly envious of people who don't. The fact that they hardly have interaction is utterly criminal.
Mafuyufied indeed Also, I feel sorry for you. That's me right now, in this exact point of my life, so I understand the feeling x'D I really hope you're feeling better now, in this moment of your life 🥺🙏
Poor Ena...I can feel her pain... I know how crushing it feels when you've been known as this "talented artist/writer/or anything" but now you can't feel that you're good enough anymore. And feeling more inferior when you can't get the support and praises, yep. Both as an art enthusiast and student this feels sad.
I relate to Ena. I had a moment in my 4th year of HS where my art teacher was giving critics to our class and she said some very blunt things towards the class. I completely broke that day, I ended up not attending that class for a week because my art had no menaing. I had to go back though because I needed the credit.
Of all N25 characters, Ena is probably the most tragic. Mafuyu fans can come after me all they want about this But Mafuyu gains some support from N25 plus some of her classmates (Emu getting nightmares) and sometimes even Ena herself (in the tsundere way we see run through the Shinonome family.) Ena’s artwork has been so hated on that she thinks rude comments are something to build up on. She doesn’t realize she can paint how she feels or what she wants to paint. Artists strive to make an impression. They shouldn’t have to follow another person’s ideals Let’s hope she doesn’t move to Germany after being rejected from art school 🤞
Y'know it's interesting because the teacher points out the same mistake in Ena's drawing and the next student's (the composition making it hard to figure out what you should be looking at), but still praise them, while giving Ena 0 points. I feel like this is mostly because Ena was overconfident before, but... I don't think destroying your student's moral is a good thing to do regardless.
Ena is really relatable ngl I have a group of friends, all of us like to draw, and holy shit everytime i feel like i'm improving my confidence and hopes would be always get destroyed by my friends' godlike art, i feel like my art is the ugliest and have the slowest improvement Tho i started to look more on my old art bc i never realised the huge improvement jump from my art 2 years ago because i'm too busy on looking at other people's art LMAOO But yeah i still need to improve a lot of things esp anatomy, cloth folds, and hands that three thing is a literal hell for me
It's bad that you feel like your art is awful just because of this :( Tho, I'm glad you understand that you shouldn't compare your art to others, but instead your present one to past ones. It helps much better!! Anyway, wish you luck in improving with your art even more
There is no point comparing to ur friends or whatever at any point in time however good ur art is theres always gonna be someone with better art than you, and also theres always gonna be someone with worse art than you. If you feel in doubt redraw old art. If it looks the same then yes maybe you should work on improving yourself. If it looks better then well, congrats!
ena is a really good portrayal of an artist, and the struggles artists face. art is not easy. it never has been, and never will be. confidence in your art is difficult to find sometimes, but when you get that confidence, oftentimes you'll just find it crushed. and after confidence in your art is crushed, it's even harder to find it again. that's what being an artist is: struggling. and the process of making the art... there's a lot of erasing and redrawing it over and over because it just _doesn't look right._ ena is a perfect portrayal of the struggles of an artist, and i love her for that
Thank you for translating this~ I'd like to enter in this story and beat the s- *cough* and beat this teacher, yeah. Ena, dear.. She needs the biggest warmest hug right now тт_тт
You're welcome! Also, yeah, I agree. I was translating this, while my besties were chilling with me. And, as soon as they saw the translation of teacher's lines, they immediately went like, "THAT BIT-" Ena indeed deserves hugs 😭
Poor Ena, I can relate to this. I do get a tad bit jealous when I see people's realistic drawing and look down on the cartoons I draw. But I learned to accept my style. Because not every style is realistic. I hope Ena feels the same eventually.
I’ve drawn all my life and used to do well in art classes at school, even for my essay writing ability. Then suddenly the attitude of our art teacher at school changed and I was no longer considered to be a top student. Drawing-wise I could understand, my art is okay, sometimes good, but not amazing-I can recognise I have a long way to go. But my essay writing is what has carried me through all my subjects, including my extension English classes which I topped. To realise a teacher would blatantly lie to me that my writing was bad made it difficult to trust anything she said to me about my drawings. But she still made me feel very bad about myself when I put hours into drawings and she would only have criticisms, hardly any of them constructive. Any time I tried to take her suggestions on board, it ended up backfiring and I would regret it, so I stopped listening to her which made her hate me more. Usually our final major works are marked by external markers only, but due to covid restrictions last year, our artworks were partially marked by our own teachers. I cried when I found out that would be the case, knowing that no matter how much of myself I poured into my art and writing, I would receive lower marks than my peers due to the irrational biases of someone above me. No matter how much I tried to sort things out with the other teaching staff, nothing changed and despite art being one of my only passions in life, my art marks did not appear in my final score for school. I’m still bitter about it. I felt hopeless at the time because I didn’t understand what I was doing wrong to make her hate me and my art and writing so much. I relate to Ena a little in this sense.
I'm not a sensible person towards criticism, so I didn't feel identified with the card, yet at that parte where she sais everyone always told her she was good at drawing, but there's this person who really knows about art and tells her she isn't growing at all, at that part everything felt relatable
as an artist, i relate to ena so much it hurts. i usually got praised a lot when i was younger for my art and often that was also the only remarkable thing about me for my family or friends, i was just known to be the kid who draws a lot. at some point i had a friend who also painted a lot and the moment we got into art class, i felt like there was a chasm right between us. not in skill even, but emotions when it came to art. even worse my art teacher always disliked my drawings and gave them bad grades, sometimes he even ripped them apart and just said he would have thrown it in the trash anyways. on the other hand, he praised my friend, who often did the exact same thing as i did the entire time, gabe her special permissions to use special paints and always was extremely nice to her and gave her tips how to improve, but when i asked for tips on how to improve he just told me to become more like a friend. like, yes, i was jealous of her, i wanted the same attention for my art, but at the same time i just had an inner conflict over why my art couldn't compare to hers and why everything i did seemed so unimportant. i never wanted to surpass anyone, i just wanted to be recognized as well long story short, i haven't touched a paint brush since middle school and every time i want to draw i either have no idea what to do bc everything i do feels bad or i refuse to show my art to my family bc i'm scared of them saying it's bad as well.
hhhhh this event really punched me in the heart yep I definitely understand Ena's pain on some levels - the feeling of not being able to "catch up" to other people's work even when you try your absolute best is a crushing feeling, especially when you're someone like her who is given so little support for her work. I'm lucky to have people supporting what I do, but there's still that feeling of seeing others and wondering how I could ever compare. It really makes you want to stop trying at all. It's also sad for Ena because something I noticed is that I think she tends to associate her art/the idea of having talent with her worth as like, a person? She thinks people with talent have worth, so when she fails to do well on her art, she feels like she has no worth - and it's also why she lashes out at other people like Mafuyu (because why should a talented person like Mafuyu want to disappear when people who TRULY don't have worth like Ena exist? is what I feel she'd think). It's a pretty unhealthy mindset and I hope Niigo's encouragement will help her break out of it, even if only a little. sorry for the random chara analysis I just love Ena a lot and think she's so interesting ahah
Ena is too relatable and as an artist I’ve experienced this when I was younger. There’s many times that I think that I’ve improved in my art but I always felt like it wasn’t good enough also felt like there is always someone better than me
I don't really relate of her being criticized since i'm the one of few person who have a decent art (or sketch) in my family and class. But when i compare myself to other artists on twitter and youtube, especially with their insane quick speedpaint (the one with real time without sped up), good folds, good shading, good coloring, etc.. is perishing my confidence on my drawing and my progress tbh...
My advice here is don't watch these videos. They indeed make artists give up on their art. You'll be better off comparing your old art to your present. That way you're going to see how much you grew and that your art is awesome 🥰
Same here, whenever I look at my drawings I’m like ‘oh it’s nice’ but then I look at other artists drawings, some aren’t even older than me and are self taught and I look at mine and decide it’s trash
Jesus. UA-cam just had to recommend me this at the perfect time huh? I’m pretty sure nearly everyone here is an artist. It just so happens that I did art today. And I’m stressing about analyzing my final piece because I’m struggling to evaluate due to me not being very expressive. The feeling of knowing that you have possibly peaked in the past, where everyone gave you complements and rewards is a horrible feeling in the present.
I'm likely in the minority here and while I would never discourage someone from pursuing art, it's important to understand that if you're doing art for compliments then that's an extrinsic dependency on which your desire or motivation to do artwork lies upon, which is unreliable and difficult to overcome. I won't go too deep into it, but if you're doing art because you want a career out of it, you're going to be miserable because you'll develop a propensity to compare yourself to others and that reliance on what other people say about your art is never going to be something you'll ever get enough of, at that point the art isn't for yourself, it's for an invisible, unpredictable audience you have no control over, this is stressful, messy, and ultimately can make you feel powerless. Love art for the sake of art, for the process and making it and being better than yourself, not anyone else or to compete against anybody else. This mindset is poison for artists. I want to make it clear that I don't blame anyone for having this sort of dependency, especially in a world that promotes meritocracy and praise as something to be sought after. The hardest part about picking up any sort of creative hobby as an adult isn't that it's difficult or that there's a lot to learn, it's that you'll have to unlearn a lifetime of conditioning and schooling that has taught you to seek these things that are ultimately going to be obstacles to creating art. The most important thing is to create it for yourself, and in that, ironically, you'll grow much much more and develop your own goals instead of comparing yourself to others or comparing yourself at a level that's completely different to yours, if your reason to create art is intrinsic then you will always be able to draw from that, but if it is dependent on others, then your motivation is going to be dependent upon others. I've been working as a freelance artist for years now, and if you were to ask me if my career or hobby were more important, then I would 100% say it's the hobby. If you want to do art, please do it for yourself. Love art first before you turn it into a career, because the career will make you miserable if you are not prepared for it. I like this video because it shows what this kind of thinking can do to you as an artist, and it will destroy your motivation if you let it, so please. If you are an artist, remember the things you want to draw. I post my art not because I know people will like it, but because I'm sharing it so that maybe someone else might, but I do not expect it. Anything extra is a bonus, but ultimately, the real joy is in having made something for myself in the first place. If you can create for yourself, then you can sustain your own motivation, because you're making exactly the things that you like, not in the hopes that it might impress somebody else because you might never know the answer to that. I've been through this sort of thing too in the past, it is only after you let go of that external dependency that you will be able to become independent of these fears holding you back. Again, you're going against a lifetime of these expectations, so it's going to be difficult to overcome, and it's definitely not going to happen overnight, but as long as you keep this in mind, it's possible to eventually come out of it understanding what you actually want out of art.
To Mr.Yukihira(or Ms.Yukihira):CAN YOU JUST COOK DELICIOUS MEALS INSTEAD OF INSULTING ENA'S DRAWINGS? SHE DRAWS WITH ALL SHE GOT AND YOU GIVE HER 0,0 POINTS?! YOU JUST GOT YOUR STUDENT TO AN ENDLESS DEPRESSION And to Futaba:You look like Megumi
I AGREE WITH THE YUKIHIRA ONE! but she wasn’t really insulting her work she was criticizing her, but she could’ve said it in a nicer way so she would feel as bad.
I haven't been able to play proseki just yet but 25ji has more or less convinced me to play when I can and tell them that everything will be alright T_T Also, It feels wild and gross that the teacher alone is giving critiques and making them public. While I had issues with my 2D art classes and teachers in collage, at least they would make critique like this private. Any public ones would be from other students as part of a sessions. It's also gross that the teacher just say assumptions they made about their attitude to her face like that. Also, her dad can kick rocks. These two need to take a class on giving critique.
Yukihira is said to be not just strict, but very cruel teacher. Even Ena's dad warned his daughter about that fact. Students were literally afraid in Yukihira's class, and as Ena said, were literally "shaking in fear" or something like that. But yeah, I agree, public critique is always bad. It almost feels that Yukihira isn't just criticising, but also trying to assert themselves by putting kids down and making them feel bad about their art by shitting it in front of others. It's also a psychological trick: kids in Ena's class might've actually thought that her work was good, but, after teacher who's very respected in their eyes, tells them it worths 0 points, they start to rethink. They start to believe that this piece of art is indeed trash. That's why public critique like this sucks, and I really hate Yukihira for it :(
I also related to this but not in the ‘reverse’ way. Since I was small my teachers always said that I had a talent in writing (not in english tho lol) and I would get different assignments than my classmates to fit my level. But at some point I realized that yes I was good for the people in my school, but when compared to genius I come in as a below-average. I don’t know how much the telling of « as a child you overflow with talent but once you become an adult, all your talents disappears » is true but it was the case for me. Starting from the day I turned 18, slowly and slowly I just couldn’t write anything. Before that I had so many stuff I wanted to write that just staring at my desk for 30 seconds was enough, yet now I don’t have anything left to write. Ena struggled because others did not support her in something she thought she was good at while for me, all adults supported me yet when I realized that I was a nobody in the end, I lost all imaginations.
As a writer myself, I understand this SO much. I used to be such a creative kid. I basically overflowed with ideas, I remember myself always writing in notebooks and typing stories on my laptop even during the night. I used to write non-stop. But, as I grew, I never got support for it. I started feel so bad about my writing that I began to judge it. Began to hate it. To the point where I couldn't even find out why was I writing in the first place, like "what's the point of it?" I understood that I lack imagination and can't think of a completely original story from the start till the end - though, it was actually my number one dream. I abandoned writing stories, so all I do now is fanfiction, but I feel like I'm gonna throw that "hobby" away soon as well. (sorry if I vented here a lot) So I get your feelings a lot!! It's sad that you had to go through this though. I hope you'll feel better soon :( 💞
I already loved Ena's and Akito's event stories and now I think the Shinonome siblings have the most interesting event stories. I can't wait for the next Akito focus event.
the fact that i love all of the members of 25-ji 😭- i relate to ena and kanade a lot and i just like mizuki’s fashion sense and other and mafuyu being so cool prob a lot of people can relate to this team like really
I'm an artist (and a writer ig) who wanted to keep their "talent" as a hobby, and got forced into an art program, this is exactly how I feel. Some students are better than me and I know it, they achieved things I wanted to achieve years ago. I'm also a massive perfectionist, haha I'm cramming two quarters worth of artwork this month and it's all because I was scared to make a single mistake on the canvas, I've been drawing on the daily though but it's just mere sketches, I've seen old drawings I've had where I'm like "wow she (my past self) was so confident in drawing poses, not even the anatomy is right but it looks so natural" or "this character is not written that well but it feels so realistic" (I write too) and now I just tend to worry over the minor stuff of everything. My recent drawings have been more focused on around my mental breakdowns, mere messy sketches with barely any form, concerns me sometimes when I look back at it. Seeing how complicated my family situation is too, art and writing is kind of my sekai, just to escape but even with that, how can I escape to my sekai when even my sekai is having problems. Come to think of it, my book has been on hiatus for 3 months and I still haven't gotten back to it. Writers block amiright? A big part of me says I can take criticism well, but every time I receive some my stomach just sinks, even when most of the criticism are constructive, I'd get annoyed and wish I never heard it. Ahh bad thing to have honestly, it applies heavily to my writing too. I really tend to wish that I was like her (my past self again), where she's carefree and could care less about problems and just write, just draw, do things so freely.
Oh, I understand the perfectionism and critism parts very well!! I suffer from the same things you mentioned, but it's not really with art, it's with my writing. Though, unlike you, I wanted to make something more of my work, like become a famous writer or smth. Yet I bullied and gaslighted myself into thinking I should keep it as a "hobby" instead. Still, I'm very sorry that this is happening to you. I hope you'll be able to gain confidence in your work!!
This hits really hard. Im an amateur artist who only uses bases since Im terrible at anatomy. But usually I edit the base to make it look at least a bit more original, and in my style. Sometimes I think my art is getting better, but then I look around and notice how other people's art is better. A prime example of this is when I entered a fanart contest from one of my favorite games, only not to make it at all. I spent so much time in my entry, I couldnt help but compare myself. I've come to learn that everyone has their own style, and the only thing I can do to move forward is to continue drawing and improving myself. I think out of all the girls in N25, I can relate to Ena the most. Especially when her father told her she isnt talented enough for drawing. Sometimes I think thats what people want to say to my face, but just cover it up with smiles and praises. I want that praise, but when its genuine and not something to make me feel better.
Relating to this waayyyyyy too hard right now. For most of high school, I'd do mostly realism with colored pencil or graphite, because it was what I was good at doing. My senior year, I decided to switch to watercolors the whole year and focus on being looser and using more color. Obviously, I wasn't as good with the medium, but I thought it was really fun and my stuff wasn't half bad. My teacher disagreed. I think the highest grade I'd gotten on an assignment that year was an 80%. Any time I messed up, he would say I was a waste of his time. And then, I would keep making more stupid mistakes because I l felt so shitty. It fucked me up really, *really* badly. At the beginning of the year, I loved working with watercolor. It was what I enjoyed doing, even if it wasn't what I was best at. I felt like I could better express myself. Hearing him say I was a waste of his time not once, but *twice* killed me. I can't properly express the overwhelming dread I felt whenever I walked into that classroom. I couldn't switch out either, it was too late into the year and I had already committed to the end-of-year test. I can't stand even thinking about that class, and I'm still working on trying to build my self worth back up.
I'm so sorry that this happened to you!! Adults and especially can really mess up you psychologically,,, (I had so many shitty teachers in one of my schools (not art one) that I literally had to transfer to another one 💀) Anyway, if watercolor is what you like, then, I believe, you should just continue. And I also really hope you'll feel better soon 💞
These stories, the ones of Nigo, are greatly relatable to me, and I realize they are to others to. The struggle’s not ours alone, we know that, yet in these situations it can’t be helped to harbor these insidious feelings of loneliness and hopelessness. I sometimes feel an utter distaste for my uselessness, yet at the same time feel like to try is a lie, is fake, unauthentic, that I’m going against “my true nature”, which is uselessness. Idk why I have that feeling at times, weird. It’s a good thing to still have the desire to move forward and do it, which is the thing I envy people who have it in the times I feel like doing nothing. So Ena’s will makes me envy and admire too. Therefore ones with words like Ena’s teacher nauseate me, fills me with the urge to punch them in the face. Even if that’s myself, if I hurt others efforts, I immediately punch myself in the face. At these times punisments feel deserving and ease my guilts. Eek, what a comment. Awkward. Now I just hope everyone is having an ok day :D
Oh, I get this kind of feeling. I get it a lot nowadays, so that's... fun 💀 ALSO I AGREE I WANT TO PUNCH YUKIHIRA SO MUCH, LIKE BITCH- But, as for you, I hope you're doing well now ☺️
It really does hurt like that…at one point I wanted to quit art all together because I was so hard on myself, I never thought I was any good because I looked at other artists pieces which were obviously much better than mine. In a way…Ena felt like a reflection of myself. Even the feeling of the light leaving my eyes….is something I’m all too familiar with.
I'm sorry that this happened to you. I hope you won't actually give up on drawing!! Please, keep pushing, even if you think that your work is not enough.
I relate to Ena so much. I have always loved to draw, but I wasn't born with natural talent. I was always trying draw well throughout my entire childhood, but all I heard from my parents was, "what is that? oh I couldn't tell", "stop drawing all the time", "drawing is a talent people are born with, and you weren't born with it", "stop drawing bad princesses", "stop wasting time drawing", "you are never going to be able to draw as well as a professional". And all I ever heard from other people was "that's nice dear". It kinda messed up my self-confidence tbh. But one summer I found an anime comic book that came with a toy I had. I stayed up late, night after night, perfecting the technique of copying the drawings, and eventually I was able to do it without even looking at the pictures. Then I edited the technique to draw more diverse characters. Then one day, I showed one of my drawings to my father, and I couldn't help but smile as I watched him try to find something wrong with the drawing, but he couldn't. It felt so damn good I swear.
As someone who draws as a hobby and gets told that my art is good and I have talent, I do appreciate it and I am genuinely grateful for the things that people say about my art but for me the downsides of being an artist is that whenever I'm on Instagram or really any social media platform, I see people whom are younger than me and their art is much better than mine. From the coloring to the attention to detail and even their art style just makes me envious and also ashamed of myself for not being as good as those younger artists. I'm in middle school right now and yes I am proud of what I do but how I relate to Ena in this event story is a different kind of situation but also the same in some ways.
New to prsk stories and i didn't expect ena to be this relatable... While I'm all for constructive crits, it just seems like her teacher only knew how to crit without properly teaching her. Same with her artist father. I always hate these "talent" types who expect kids to be able to just naturally pick up all the basics by instinct alone. Like no, there's theory for a reason, and when someone doesn't have a supportive learning environment where they can receive feedback, how would u expect them to improve as well as the others? Maybe people like Futaba have a better grasp on the basics, so she immediately knows what to do when she's given crit, but i guess Ena wasn't ever taught, so when she couldn't implement it properly it's perfectly understandable imo. It's not a show of a lack of effort. And a good teacher shouldn't just accuse a student of "only wanting praise" when she's just looking for some damn guidance dammit!! Her father too!! Who's to say she "doesn't have the talent" to be an artist!! She just wasn't able to learn properly. Anyone could be an artist and focusing too much on praising innate talent and sense instead of someone's ability to learn is so counterproductive. Her teacher doesn't know how to be a teacher and her father doesn't know how to be a father. If only she had a better and more supportive environment...
Ahhh yes every 25-ji is relatable in one way or another this is why I love them so much especially Mafuyu which her story hits close to home and am happy she has friends around her while I didn't at least anime exists if it weren't for it I'd have a bullet in my head and is 6 feet under Edit: Also to add I've been praised as a musical genius as a child well things happened so... Yeah I've lost everything I have no clue what will happen to me from now on that I've chosen to live since I already lost what I loved before
That's sad that you lost something that you loved :( Though, I hope you'll be able to figure out your dreams. Maybe you should try yourself in different hobbies. Wish you luck!! ☺️
I think this applies to every competitive scenario, not just art Like you're by yourself thinking that what you've made is good, then you look at others and realize how low effort it looks like by comparison, even if it was done with every bit of effort. And it doesn't help getting such blunt judgements, it's more discouraging than anything, like you can see that others have made something objectively better
The fact I relate to her so much just hurts as an artist seeing everyone be better then you in your class, even if they’ve just started, or just improving so fast, I can’t keep up. Ena is a character I love because I can relate to her on a personal level and I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.
i dont relate to ena exactly but still somehow so much. when i was in the 2nd grade, i saw a pic of hatsune miku, and it made me so amazed someone drew her. like, with their own hands, from scratch. it was something that i couldnt even imagine and i wanted to draw just like that. ever since then, i drew. i never took any art classes other than the basic school ones, but at school, once someone catches on you like art, your the art kid. and i loved that! i loved the compliments, and the praise. now, im going to 11th grade. i still draw, and im sure ive reached the point where if i showed younger me my art i'd be jumping for joy. but ive been going through something with my art lately, its hard to describe in just one word. i draw almost everyday, i draw all the time, its a part of me. recently my mental health has been horrible, and just drawing anime characters all colorful and happy seemed just...not right. i wanted to put my emotions into art, my anger and sadness, but i cant. i never drew out of feeling, and recently i saw some of an old artists work i love. his art is so emotional and invokes so much feeling, though still simple, and im sure its something i could do if i knew the emotional side of it. but i cant. i wonder, did i ever just draw as a superficial trait, just because im terrible at everything else? my art is so worthless, it has no meaning and its obv anime style so probably wont get me far in an actual career. i started cus i saw a pic of hatsune miku ffs. the one thing i thought i could do, maybe was just a stupid way to pass time. sorry for the essay :D i guess tons of people feel unsure about out art, but maybe we should all just embrace it and know that its all worthy, and you will never reach a point where youre truly satisfied, so keep practicing and know your art means something!
It's not about how good your drawing is compared to others'. It's about how much you're growing compared to where you started, versus how much they're growing compared to where THEY started. Everything that happened in this scene was absolutely justified and with a good, honest teacher.
Omg I actually kind of relate to her. Seeing other people’s art that’s much better than mine makes me upset. Another thing is that , I don’t wanna sound narcissistic or anything, but I want compliments on my art! I like knowing that people think it’s good!!
I am not really an artist but I still relate to Ena in this video. I always feel down when I look at my friend's drawings because they are so much prettier. I try the whole time to get better but even if I use another drawing style or when I try to practise drawing in the style I currently have I notice that I am still as bad as I was before. And my art teacher in school doesn't help. They always praise the other students in class (especially my friend) while they always seem to find something in my pictures that they can criticise. I don't draw for attention but it just feels horrible
(sorry for bad English) When i was i child i didn't really recived prices, they just ignored it, so i never stop drawing, to see if someone (my family) says something nice, but they just don't care, and that hurts me, so i decided that if I'm gonna draw i will do it for myself and my future, The 0 prices that my family "gave" to me hurts, i can start crying right now, but in the last year (2021) after a rough 2020 i started to be more positive with myself, even if it's still hard being with my family i still want to do it, maybe it's not really that related with this or with others people experience but i wanted to let this out
These type of people who think arts can only go one way... I just wanna shove them into a room full of Avant-Garde paintings and force them to listen to Avant-Garde music.
this scene was HEARTBREAKING TO WATCH.. I really relate to Ena, you know? I love drawing, I get mad easily, my emotions run rampant, and I cannot handle a crass remark when I'm already in a bad mood.. Seeing her dreams get crushed by her father, only to then see Ena be criticized by her teacher, then seeing that she noticed everyone else got a compliment.. I myself have a very hard time with my self esteem in art. No one really pays attention to it. I have it a lot easier than most people, I think, and so I really feel for her.. It made my stomach turn. It was heartwrenching, awful, terrible.. My heart goes out to Ena.
I'm an artist and I've felt this way before, but honestly nowadays I take the criticism very well. Instead of attaching my self worth to how well I draw in comparison to others, I'm excited to take the criticism so I can improve my craft. I never make excuses or defend my artwork anymore, and I filter criticism from subjective opinion pretty easily now.
As a oc creator and a painter I feel this from friends, family and teachers… it sucks by all means but it’s hard to not think on the bad things about it. I just moved to Tennessee and already have the people giving me criticism because they say my personality switches so much that they think I have something wrong mentally or I just lash out because I’m overwhelmed to the point I shut up. Honestly ena is just a total way to show what happens to people who get into art, etc.
Growing up is scary and I get how she felt, there will be people who always praise you because they believe in you and made you believe in yourself that whatever ure doing, ure doing good. But it made us look over our mistakes and flaws, it blinded us until it was too late then we got reality check in our faces. Then the rejections and hates will be very hard to swallow..
The thing about Ena is she need support. Before she join N25, she desperately need praise from other because she need a validation from other since the adult in her life do nothing but bringing her down everytime. But that wasnt what she need. What ena trully need was someone who genuinely like her art and willing to support her through thick and thin and also motivate her to move forward, and thats Niigo is to Ena. I really love this story 😢 Ena became one of my fav character on proseka because of this very story.
I feel like there’s quite a few people misinterpreting the meaning here. Yukihara is trying to tell her- “draw from the heart”. Draw what makes her happy, not what she thinks will make others happy. Its the same notion we get caught up in with twitter and youtube algorithms- she puts too much stock into the opinions of others without considering what she wants from art itself. Drawing to appease, not because she enjoys the process. Because she doesn’t draw with passion, her work doesn’t stand out compared to her peers (which isn’t always the case, but it can sometimes be). Growth as an artist doesn’t just involve technique. It’s exploring and finding the language of art that can speak the words of your soul. Art teachers often focus on this because down the line they will instead be expected to appease, and not having any kind of passion toward art itself will burn them out quickly. It is not a short or easy path, but its worth walking, I think. Develop technique in the same vein as you would work on your vocabulary- to express yourself better, not for the sake of praise.
Why didn’t she say “Draw from the hear” in the first place then? Like she could have said that instead of making Ena feel like her art isn’t good enough.
I really relate to this. Ahh I kinda regret not reading the event stories. As an artist who got praised a lot by grade 2-3, It started with art projects,Got complimented and I felt so good about myself. I even entered art competitions for school. By Grade 4, My mental health was declining. Top of that, I started to feel insecure because the New students had better art, By then I started to compare my art to others. I made myself believe that “I cant draw”, Cause even people started to tell me my drawings were really bad, It made me feel worse. Grade 5, I “fully” given up on art, I transferred, I started to become ok because I didnt get bullied much. Grade 6, I started to do art again, and I received many bad criticism.Yes I am very sensitive. It just feels like a terrible loop. By Highschool my art is stable but I cant help but give in to the toxic habit of comparing to other people.
i always get jealous whenever i see someones art that is so much better than mine seeing this made me want to practice more and keep improving my art!!(sorry if i say anything wrong english isn't first language)
That's actually a healthy mindset! Sometimes people just can't help but get jealous, but it's completely fine as long as you're improving. Keep up in this spirit
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wow this blew up 💀 anyway me and y'all need therapy like asap
Cant afford it it 💀
Therapy’s too expensive.
25ji is free.
I’ll pay for everyone’s (including mine) therapy
Been in therapy for years it don’t help though 💀
Nuh uh
As an artist I relate to Ena so much. There are so many times where I'll think my art improved a lot, but then I'll look at other's pieces and then realize that I didn't improve one bit. Watching this makes me want to get a paper and keep practicing.
I'm glad you wanna keep going! :D it's a good thing, really, so I wish you luck!! 💞💞
she's fr so relatable
I sincerely believe that this happens to all of us in a way in general, but much encouragement in the profession x)
Same
Iam an artist I literally kin her kanade and mafuyu
i remember a teacher once held up something i drew and told the class "this is how NOT to draw this" and this reminded me of it, criticism is good but some of this is just plain harsh 😭 enanan too relatable
Jesus freaking Christ- I would've straight up cried if I were you...
I'm sorry that this happened to you :(
That’s so cruel, I’m sorry that happened to you
at that point thats just humiliation
My teacher showed my drawing to the class and then tore it and flung the pieces at me. Everyone laughed, and it still makes me sick thinking about it
That’s so fricking cruel.
ena's eyes turning Mafuyu-like gave me the chills... she n all of 25ji needs all the hugs
I wonder if we'll ever see Kanade's eyes mafuyufied in the future?
We actually saw Kanade with Mafuyufied eyes!! It was in the main story, when Kanade was in middle school. I don't really remember, but it was either 10 or 11 chapter
I just checked, its chapter 11!
now all we need is mizuki to be mafuyufied and then it’ll be done
now all we need is mizuki to be mafuyufied and then it’ll be done.
@@stix-pixie oh do I have news for you!
As an artist, Ena has always felt relatable to me, but this time she felt the most relatable. My art teacher would always shower other students with praise but for me she would only point out the mistakes. Criticism is very important but at the same time only getting the mistakes point it out made me feel less talented, so yeah, relatable
This is actually so sad :(
I understand this kind of treatment very well, so I really feel sorry for you. But even so, that doesn't make you less talented. It only makes your teacher less kind and understanding.
@@jaycy7024 thanks, it's fine now! That was 4 years ago and since then I've made so much progress and decided to go to art uni, so I needed to get help from the same teacher again. I do anime art, but I assumed she disliked that so I tried to do different styles. She said that something was missing from those pieces and supricingly when I showed her my anime art, she liked it a lot more :)
I feel this and i STILL DO
My mother does that.
Maybe it good for you because you teacher is pay more intention to you?
Off topic, but Empty Sekai is like free therapy for the Nightcore members
indeed it is,,
@@jaycy7024 yes, including every Sekai made too
@@jaycy7024 Every Sekai is like miku trying to give a group of people therapy
@@-liittle-_MOVEDlikemonthsagoAnd their only teenagers!
“oh my god look at that face”
“If you’re feeling suicidal you’ve come to the right place”
Shinonome's stories are fascinating to read.
I agree!!!
Real
as someone with rsd (rejection sensitive dysphoria) i really felt this, not gonna lie. getting criticized and feeling like it's a death sentence? yeah, BIG mood
but also good GRIEF she lost the lights in her eyes, ena buddy you good? you need a hug??
I don't think Ena's good......
Rejection sensitive dysphoria ? People nowadays are making mental illness from anything
so.. if some1 rejects you youll be super sad????
@@yuni3124 that's a good way of putting it, but also rather surface level. it also applies to even *perceived* rejection, criticism, etc. for people with rsd, even a chance at someone being upset at you feels kind of like the end of the world, causing you to jump to worst case scenarios (for example "nobody laughed at my joke, i must have not read the room correctly and now they all hate me for being insensitive!" not exaggeration- a very common conclusion someone with rsd might come to)
@@radiozap2717 i wanted a yes or no but works
Yoooo it's literally Blue Period,but more seriously poor Ena the girl doesn't have any adults's (her teacher and father) support,I know that to be an artist is hard but to discourage someone's dream is heartbreaking
Didn't know about Blue Period, but now want to check it out 😳
I also know that any job/work that has to do with creativity is hard and REALLY competitive, because perception of "beautiful" and "interesting" differs from person to person, but this story and how little support Ena gets was just... CRUSHING to see ngl 💀
Now i really want Ena sing Gunjou from YOASOBI.
@@theodorech20 I love this song!!!And it's really fit with Ena's character
kinda spoiler :
in the last chapter, yukihira-sensei calling this scene back (which is 2 years ago in Proseka timeline), you know what? she still remembers Ena's painting.
And say something along the line "your painting expressing that you want to know yourself"
I think she cares about Ena after all.
p.s. English isn't my first language, sorry
@@NJackie tbh I have had art teachers that were incredibly skilled and harsh (one even graded us through an excel spreadsheet) and I have had other ones that were very nice and really mindful of our feelings. Tbh I took very important lessons from both types of teachers but I do appreciate the first type for being so direct about my shortcomings even if it did hurt my feelings. It really depends what works best for each artist I think? Ideally a balance between both types would be best imo, since art is a passion for so many of us (kinda like nurturing the passion vs the skills)
this is...exactly why I avoided art school. It seems like professional art is focused on improvement above all else, like it's the only thing that matters, wether you hate drawing because nothing you make feels meaningful be damned, it doesn't matter progress above all else. You have to force yourself to push through and put yourself through the ringer to improve even if that makes you regret ever drawing in the first place. It's...disgusting demoralizing filthy stupid meaningless, why do a thing you hate? Why make yourself hate a hobby you love just cuz some old fart says it's not good enough? Why do they think people have to be broken first to improve? Why don't they realize that if a person has no support, no one who says they're good no one who says they're enough, they can't handle criticism? People weren't meant to have their confidence torn to shreds with no one vouching for them, people can't brush off rude comments if no one ever tells them they did a good job. Are there really this many "professionals" that suck at giving good feedback and critique. Do they really hate their jobs this much, they love talking about how hard and terrible and lonely the art world is, why the hell are you still in it then? Get out if you hate it so much, it's not your damn right to make other people hate it as much as you do.
Sorry for the rant but damn this is a sore spot, i hate these people so much, i hate these people that ruthlessly bully kids cuz they think they're too stupid to understand "some people will be harsh, be ready for that" instead they test how much abuse it takes them to break like some fucking car crash dummy. Doesn't matter how many break cuz the good ones will make it right? I...hate, i hate hate hate these people so damn much and thank god i have a sense of guilt stopping me cuz i want to punch them and insult them just as much as they did those kids, make them feel like the failures they made so many people believe they were. Can't people just stop bullying children is it really that hard...eugh
I understand your feelings. I was in art school myself and dropped out after a year exactly because of this reason. It started off pretty fine to me and I liked it, but then noticed that my art wasn't getting better compared to other students. And so my teacher began to push me more and more, sometimes even bully me. I waited until the school year ended through a lot of mental pain (I was a very young child at the moment that's why any critique + my own self-hate really were messing me up) and then finally stopped attending classes. Dropping out of the art school was probably the only truly wise decision I'ver ever made in my life 💀
Also, yeah, I hate people, who bully children just to assert themselves and feel better about themselves; or to "prepare kids for harsh reality". A lot of teachers in my ordinary school are like this and I honestly can't wait to graduate and leave them already 😭🙏
@@jaycy7024 God that sounds so painful- I'm glad you're out of there at least! And yea even in ordinary schools teachers can still be so hurtful, my friend's geography teacher loves to call them dissapointments for anything they do but they won't fire her cuz they don't have a replacement, even if multiple parents have tried to sue her for throwing away kids' phones. It's all just so messed up and tiring, teachers bully as much as they like and schools don't bother dealing with it.
I hope the time you've got left at school won't be too bad fr, I'm graduating soon too and I can't wait for it
@@babann_57 the case with geography teacher reminded me of our physics teacher. Like I literally thought I was reading the description of her rn 💀
Also thank you for your concern. I'm myself glad that I dropped out out art school ☺️ and thank you for wishing me luck. Hope you'll spend your time until graduation well too :D
@@jaycy7024 pfhfhf I guess it's full of teachers like that, they should get more creative/s
And thank you! I'll try ^^
Can i give y'all a virtual hug and a virtual snack?
When you are young they praise you for drawing shapes prettily
When you get older they want you to utilise the shapes to express inner emotion.
The thing is not everyone does art to relay emotion. Some draw to see an image, and it’s hard to consistently make something ‘worth it’ just because I can’t think deeply or be an emotional poet all the time.
Yup, I hate that bullshit. It's easier just to lie that it's something emotional and personal, even when you don't care about it
It's like forcing you to explain why you ate toast for breakfast, like, I like toast bro it ain't nunna yo business-
"What starts with the letter o, ends with nions and makes you cry?"
"Onions?"
"Opinions."
i relate to ena very strongly, i'm also an artist who has gotten a lot of praise in the past but has lately had a hard time and hearing less positive comments about my art, it's a horrible feeling and then you start to subconsciously compare yourself to others and it just makes it worse, i almost even quit at art entirely but luckily i have a good support system that helped me push through, i feel like i've lived in this exact 5 minutes of ena's storyline and its so strange to relate to a character's story so much
(also i couldn't help but think of the song "Average" by Sushi Soucy because it fits too well here)
Damn, that actually sounds rough. I hope you're doing better now :(
@@jaycy7024 thank you, things have been getting a bit better, and honestly i watch your videos for distraction so you've been unknownly helping me too!
@@electriii aww I'm happy to help
I bet your art is AWESOME!!
Why do i feel like ena isn’t doing it just for the sake of the compliments existing but because the compliments make her feel better about her art
yk what i mean?
Oh, I understand!! I kinda thought about it too. It's like she indeed does it for compliments, but only because she's lacking support in general. She doesn't receive it from anyone, so she believes that, if she draws, people are gonna give her the love she needs and longs for
@@jaycy7024 that is literally me :")
this is me.. i havent recieved compliments in a damn while lmao
@@id10cyy If you want, I can set you up an appointment with Emu :)
True getting compliments feels like an award and plus she's relatable no matter what I draw I don't get compliments but I think my art is good tho.
I swear, Niigo has the most relatable stories sometimes. I felt this all too hard-
the more Niigo got more story, the more i kinda feel happy for Kanade and the other Niigo to cover for each other. Kanade appreciates Ena's Arts, Mafuyu helped ease Kanade's burdened of overworking herself before Ena and Mizuki joined, Ena waiting for Mizuki to finally open up and Mizuki for always being there to ease up any tension any the them has. they're all troubled to an extreme degree but they stood up for each other. i knew it was the right decision to pick them as my starting group
3:05 that soundtrack just hit real different. Matches the intensity of Ena's suffering.
do u know what the bgm’s called?
what is it called 😭😭 i need to know
it sounds like something that would play in YTTD
@@zenchi.zennouIT DOES OMG
@@zenchi.zennouREAL
Reading all these comments about peoples experiences in art classes from around the world really got me thinking, art classes here in Australia are really weird. You don't get overly harsh criticism from teachers trying to shove you into a box, instead they don't really do anything at all. They don't critique, they don't assign, they don't help. It's all "self-directed" which means that the student has to chose and plan what you're doing themselves, and even if the teacher wanted to give criticism or help you, they can't cuz they dont know what you're doing. This sounds good, but in practice it means that you feel like you havn't learned or achieved anything, because there's no one guiding you; the teacher is just there to make sure you don't shove a crayon up your nose. It really is the bad opposite to what I've seen in most parts of the world.
My art teacher (not in art school, but in ordinary school) was the same, honestly. She never really,,, praised anyone. Only would point out that we were talentless and... well, she was mostly in the classroom just to make sure we don't kill each other. It was disappointing and made me lose interest in art for a long time.
By the way, I live in Russia, so yeah-
In Italy we have different types of High Schools depending on what you want to study, for example there are scientific High schools, and also Artistic High schools. (There are many types of school but I’ll focus on my experience) I went to an Artistic one, and I relate soooo much with Ena, because our professors always pressured us students to do things a certain way, and I found myself thinking I wasn’t good enough because of that, I couldn’t see any improvement in what I did and when I did improve, no one acknowledged it. Now that I graduated from High School I feel much better about my art luckily
Damn, that's actually insane. I study in ordinary school, but have emphasis on the humanities. And our teachers are pressuring us literally into dropping out from 10th grade and go into college already, because they "don't have faith in us" 💀
That can really shatter anyone's self-esteem. And I can imagine how hard it was for you... Glad you already graduated and are feeling better now :3
If you test a fish on being able to climb it will believe for all of its life that it is stupid.
Io vado all'artistico e quando vedo i disegni dei miei compagni mi sento inferiore a loro
Bello vedere italiani nei commenti
@@kenjimuraca5668 vero!
no cus like ena is so relatable for me a bit TOO relatable. ena is one of the reasons i started crying at the 25ji main story and just this 5min video made me cry as well☹️☹️☹️
I get the feeling,,, Ena is one of the most relatable characters in the game 😭
I've just started practicing drawing last year and... I can literally say that I was Ena some months ago, even got to the point where I would get panic attacks every night because of the frustration that other artists could draw much better than me.
I just want to give her a hug rn and tell her that everything will be alright. I really love her, and it breaks my heart to see her like that
Oh, I get the feeling a lot. Tho my problem isn't about art, but about writing. Some years ago I remember myself tearing my stories apart and deleting some stuff I posted online because of panic attacks and constant fear of not being good enough.
So seeing this made me wanna hug Ena so much 😭
25ji stories indeed trigger the worst and most depressed parts of ourselves huh,,,,,,
Saaame I'm like Ena too !😭I always tell myself that my drawings suck and that I don't draw enough, that my art is empty compared to others😅Thanks for this translation !
I hope you can feel better about your art right now. I had those panic attacks and self loathe quite some years ago cause I want people in social media to notice me.
Now that I am learning anatomy , color values, composition more, I feel more like a real artist nowadays and doesn't need other people's praises and stuff that much. Praises are basically icing on the cake nowadays.
I just feel right at home, now that I feel, 'enough'
Something I like about Puroseka is how every character has their own backstory that each and every different person can relate too. It’s not just some ✨ give Oc tragic background ✨. It’s like a lot of struggles people deal with on the daily
I'm hoping you guys will be able to finish this event's last chapter. It makes me cry like a baby.
For those who hate her teacher, I'll just drop some spoilers here.
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“If you only want praise, I will not critique your drawing anymore
But that would stop you from growing. As an instructor and a painter, I will continue to critique."
Young Ena was ‘overconfident’ in her skills because she was always complimented by others around her. You can clearly see from the previous chapter and this chapter that she was too obsessed(? sry not sure about the word since English is not my language…)with the teacher's compliments.
She is too young to understand how cruel this path is, so her dad chooses to says those heartbreaking words to her. Even though I disagree with the way her dad did, I still understand her teacher.
Parenting is not the same as teaching. His words are harsh, and he is strict, but everything he said about Ena’s drawing is true, she accepted it and she always respect him; unfortunately, she was not ready to handle that critique at the time, thanks to papa. He's doing his job as a teacher, and in Asia there're a lot of this type of teacher, so I'd say he's fine because he's doing a hard critique rather than a hard criticism.
Even the words are harsh, he says it in a polite way (Japanese culture), and he isn’t just critiquing her works, He’s actually TEACHING and GUIDE her after the class ended. (He always do but SEGA just only show it in the last chapter ;( )
I did finish the event as was glad that Ena got both the critique and support she needed from her teacher.
Still, I can't get rid of this awful feeling in the gut, like something just wasn't right there. Maybe that's just me though?
@@jaycy7024 I believe you are not the only one who feels like that. I also have complicated feelings after finishing this event.
Even I understand the reason behind their act, and I also believe they don't have bad intentions but meh......why can't everyone be more kind to this young girl?
She was just 14-15 when all of this happen, so YES it's awful and the fact that her dad immediately destroyed her dream right after she start talking about her future just makes my blood boiled.
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As for her teacher, even I didn't hate him but if I can choose between him and other teachers with comparable skills and experience but who were kinder, I would go with the latter. LOL
Btw, I'm glad Ena is finally able to confront and move on from her painful memories of drawings. I hope my baby will be happy from now on v--v
I relate to Ena too.
I had a huge passion for drawing since i was a child. Many people in my sight didn`t wanted to see me as an artist. When i wanted to go to art school, the teachers refused to accept me. Under te pretext "you`re not talented enough to study in our art school". This knocked me out of the rut, and I didn't want to practice drawing, or even study fine art in general..
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(Благодарю Вас за перевод этой главы. ☺
Удивительно, что многие комментаторы здесь видят в Эне самих себя. Да и в принципе, видят в членах "25-ji Nightcord" схожие черты с самими собой)
Боже,,, если бы мне такое сказали в художественной школе, я бы, наверное, навсегда потеряла желание рисовать. Мне очень жаль, что с Вами это случилось :(
(Найткорды - это одна большая жиза для людей. Но Эна уже просто на новом уровне, честное слово)
I don't exactly relate to Ena. Mostly because since young i was always told to "not get cocky" when getting praised for my art. Maybe it helped me not get into situations like Ena did, but it did make me scared of receiving praises
But really, no artist deserves to go through what Ena went through. For artists, writers and performers, our work is something so personal and so nuanced that no singular person should make a definitive judgement for them. There will be people who love and people who hate our work, but most importantly you as the creator have to love your own work. I wish for everyone in the comments (and myself!) to stay strong in our paths of self-love :)
I can empathize with Ena on an expertise perspective. There's this feeling of envy and jealousy of introducing someone to a hobby/medium you love and then you see them do much better than you no matter how much work you put in. Ena constantly is troubled by the fact that she essentially has to work her way up against those who already have talent. It eats her up inside.
In all honesty, I don't understand why people ship her with Mizuki when Kanade is a far more interesting pairing. Ena doesn't have talent so she's constantly envious of people who have it, but then there's Kanade who blames her talent for her father's current state, so she's constantly envious of people who don't. The fact that they hardly have interaction is utterly criminal.
Do you relate to Reki Kyan from sk8 too? Your comment makes me think of him
@@heartsfirstaidkit TRUEEEE
Fr. In the recent events they even hang out more. Also in the main story ena was the nicest to kanade and it seems she has a soft spot for her.
Ena's dad looks so out of place style-wise.
Mafuyufied
The worst thing is that that's literally me a few years ago ahahah (:
Mafuyufied indeed
Also, I feel sorry for you. That's me right now, in this exact point of my life, so I understand the feeling x'D
I really hope you're feeling better now, in this moment of your life 🥺🙏
@@jaycy7024 ty!! i grew out from that phase luckily ehe going to an art school was a mistake don't do this friends
@@yuzuleaftea I agree,,,, I went to art school as well in some point of my life and, DAMN, that was a MISTAKE
@@jaycy7024 i swear everyone is going to be mafuyufied
@@yuko_chibana with everything that's going on in the world? sure we will
Poor Ena...I can feel her pain...
I know how crushing it feels when you've been known as this "talented artist/writer/or anything" but now you can't feel that you're good enough anymore. And feeling more inferior when you can't get the support and praises, yep. Both as an art enthusiast and student this feels sad.
I relate to Ena. I had a moment in my 4th year of HS where my art teacher was giving critics to our class and she said some very blunt things towards the class. I completely broke that day, I ended up not attending that class for a week because my art had no menaing. I had to go back though because I needed the credit.
JESUS CHRIST 0_0 this is rough, ngl. So sorry you had to go through this :(
Art schools suck, I know from my own experience,,,
Of all N25 characters, Ena is probably the most tragic.
Mafuyu fans can come after me all they want about this
But Mafuyu gains some support from N25 plus some of her classmates (Emu getting nightmares) and sometimes even Ena herself (in the tsundere way we see run through the Shinonome family.)
Ena’s artwork has been so hated on that she thinks rude comments are something to build up on. She doesn’t realize she can paint how she feels or what she wants to paint. Artists strive to make an impression. They shouldn’t have to follow another person’s ideals
Let’s hope she doesn’t move to Germany after being rejected from art school 🤞
There’s honestly a fine line between verbal abuse and constructive criticism, especially when someone is as young as Ena was (middle school)
Y'know it's interesting because the teacher points out the same mistake in Ena's drawing and the next student's (the composition making it hard to figure out what you should be looking at), but still praise them, while giving Ena 0 points.
I feel like this is mostly because Ena was overconfident before, but... I don't think destroying your student's moral is a good thing to do regardless.
Ena is really relatable ngl
I have a group of friends, all of us like to draw, and holy shit everytime i feel like i'm improving my confidence and hopes would be always get destroyed by my friends' godlike art, i feel like my art is the ugliest and have the slowest improvement
Tho i started to look more on my old art bc i never realised the huge improvement jump from my art 2 years ago because i'm too busy on looking at other people's art LMAOO
But yeah i still need to improve a lot of things esp anatomy, cloth folds, and hands that three thing is a literal hell for me
It's bad that you feel like your art is awful just because of this :( Tho, I'm glad you understand that you shouldn't compare your art to others, but instead your present one to past ones. It helps much better!!
Anyway, wish you luck in improving with your art even more
Ty!!
There is no point comparing to ur friends or whatever at any point in time however good ur art is theres always gonna be someone with better art than you, and also theres always gonna be someone with worse art than you. If you feel in doubt redraw old art. If it looks the same then yes maybe you should work on improving yourself. If it looks better then well, congrats!
ena is a really good portrayal of an artist, and the struggles artists face.
art is not easy. it never has been, and never will be. confidence in your art is difficult to find sometimes, but when you get that confidence, oftentimes you'll just find it crushed. and after confidence in your art is crushed, it's even harder to find it again. that's what being an artist is: struggling. and the process of making the art... there's a lot of erasing and redrawing it over and over because it just _doesn't look right._ ena is a perfect portrayal of the struggles of an artist, and i love her for that
Thank you for translating this~
I'd like to enter in this story and beat the s- *cough* and beat this teacher, yeah.
Ena, dear.. She needs the biggest warmest hug right now тт_тт
You're welcome!
Also, yeah, I agree. I was translating this, while my besties were chilling with me. And, as soon as they saw the translation of teacher's lines, they immediately went like, "THAT BIT-"
Ena indeed deserves hugs 😭
Poor Ena, I can relate to this. I do get a tad bit jealous when I see people's realistic drawing and look down on the cartoons I draw. But I learned to accept my style. Because not every style is realistic. I hope Ena feels the same eventually.
That's so good that you accepted your style! Each person's style is unique so I see no real point in comparing styles ☺️
Thanks!
I feel the same way about my art :')
Did you draw your pfp?
@@hazeofspiral6951 Yeah I did
I’ve drawn all my life and used to do well in art classes at school, even for my essay writing ability. Then suddenly the attitude of our art teacher at school changed and I was no longer considered to be a top student. Drawing-wise I could understand, my art is okay, sometimes good, but not amazing-I can recognise I have a long way to go. But my essay writing is what has carried me through all my subjects, including my extension English classes which I topped. To realise a teacher would blatantly lie to me that my writing was bad made it difficult to trust anything she said to me about my drawings. But she still made me feel very bad about myself when I put hours into drawings and she would only have criticisms, hardly any of them constructive. Any time I tried to take her suggestions on board, it ended up backfiring and I would regret it, so I stopped listening to her which made her hate me more. Usually our final major works are marked by external markers only, but due to covid restrictions last year, our artworks were partially marked by our own teachers. I cried when I found out that would be the case, knowing that no matter how much of myself I poured into my art and writing, I would receive lower marks than my peers due to the irrational biases of someone above me. No matter how much I tried to sort things out with the other teaching staff, nothing changed and despite art being one of my only passions in life, my art marks did not appear in my final score for school. I’m still bitter about it. I felt hopeless at the time because I didn’t understand what I was doing wrong to make her hate me and my art and writing so much. I relate to Ena a little in this sense.
I'm not a sensible person towards criticism, so I didn't feel identified with the card, yet at that parte where she sais everyone always told her she was good at drawing, but there's this person who really knows about art and tells her she isn't growing at all, at that part everything felt relatable
That was literally like a punch in the gut. Poor Ena
as an artist, i relate to ena so much it hurts. i usually got praised a lot when i was younger for my art and often that was also the only remarkable thing about me for my family or friends, i was just known to be the kid who draws a lot. at some point i had a friend who also painted a lot and the moment we got into art class, i felt like there was a chasm right between us. not in skill even, but emotions when it came to art. even worse my art teacher always disliked my drawings and gave them bad grades, sometimes he even ripped them apart and just said he would have thrown it in the trash anyways. on the other hand, he praised my friend, who often did the exact same thing as i did the entire time, gabe her special permissions to use special paints and always was extremely nice to her and gave her tips how to improve, but when i asked for tips on how to improve he just told me to become more like a friend. like, yes, i was jealous of her, i wanted the same attention for my art, but at the same time i just had an inner conflict over why my art couldn't compare to hers and why everything i did seemed so unimportant. i never wanted to surpass anyone, i just wanted to be recognized as well
long story short, i haven't touched a paint brush since middle school and every time i want to draw i either have no idea what to do bc everything i do feels bad or i refuse to show my art to my family bc i'm scared of them saying it's bad as well.
That's such a bad teacher whattt how was that even allowed 😭
hhhhh this event really punched me in the heart yep
I definitely understand Ena's pain on some levels - the feeling of not being able to "catch up" to other people's work even when you try your absolute best is a crushing feeling, especially when you're someone like her who is given so little support for her work. I'm lucky to have people supporting what I do, but there's still that feeling of seeing others and wondering how I could ever compare. It really makes you want to stop trying at all.
It's also sad for Ena because something I noticed is that I think she tends to associate her art/the idea of having talent with her worth as like, a person? She thinks people with talent have worth, so when she fails to do well on her art, she feels like she has no worth - and it's also why she lashes out at other people like Mafuyu (because why should a talented person like Mafuyu want to disappear when people who TRULY don't have worth like Ena exist? is what I feel she'd think). It's a pretty unhealthy mindset and I hope Niigo's encouragement will help her break out of it, even if only a little. sorry for the random chara analysis I just love Ena a lot and think she's so interesting ahah
Oh I understand what you mean at the end!! I have the same feelings, it really feels like Ena have been thinking along such lines all this time
Ena is too relatable and as an artist I’ve experienced this when I was younger. There’s many times that I think that I’ve improved in my art but I always felt like it wasn’t good enough also felt like there is always someone better than me
I don't really relate of her being criticized since i'm the one of few person who have a decent art (or sketch) in my family and class.
But when i compare myself to other artists on twitter and youtube, especially with their insane quick speedpaint (the one with real time without sped up), good folds, good shading, good coloring, etc.. is perishing my confidence on my drawing and my progress tbh...
My advice here is don't watch these videos. They indeed make artists give up on their art. You'll be better off comparing your old art to your present. That way you're going to see how much you grew and that your art is awesome 🥰
Same here, whenever I look at my drawings I’m like ‘oh it’s nice’ but then I look at other artists drawings, some aren’t even older than me and are self taught and I look at mine and decide it’s trash
Jesus. UA-cam just had to recommend me this at the perfect time huh? I’m pretty sure nearly everyone here is an artist. It just so happens that I did art today. And I’m stressing about analyzing my final piece because I’m struggling to evaluate due to me not being very expressive. The feeling of knowing that you have possibly peaked in the past, where everyone gave you complements and rewards is a horrible feeling in the present.
UA-cam is a monster sometimes.
I hope you feel better now tho :(
ena's experience fully explained why i lost faith on humanity, even my friends
I'm likely in the minority here and while I would never discourage someone from pursuing art, it's important to understand that if you're doing art for compliments then that's an extrinsic dependency on which your desire or motivation to do artwork lies upon, which is unreliable and difficult to overcome.
I won't go too deep into it, but if you're doing art because you want a career out of it, you're going to be miserable because you'll develop a propensity to compare yourself to others and that reliance on what other people say about your art is never going to be something you'll ever get enough of, at that point the art isn't for yourself, it's for an invisible, unpredictable audience you have no control over, this is stressful, messy, and ultimately can make you feel powerless.
Love art for the sake of art, for the process and making it and being better than yourself, not anyone else or to compete against anybody else. This mindset is poison for artists. I want to make it clear that I don't blame anyone for having this sort of dependency, especially in a world that promotes meritocracy and praise as something to be sought after. The hardest part about picking up any sort of creative hobby as an adult isn't that it's difficult or that there's a lot to learn, it's that you'll have to unlearn a lifetime of conditioning and schooling that has taught you to seek these things that are ultimately going to be obstacles to creating art.
The most important thing is to create it for yourself, and in that, ironically, you'll grow much much more and develop your own goals instead of comparing yourself to others or comparing yourself at a level that's completely different to yours, if your reason to create art is intrinsic then you will always be able to draw from that, but if it is dependent on others, then your motivation is going to be dependent upon others.
I've been working as a freelance artist for years now, and if you were to ask me if my career or hobby were more important, then I would 100% say it's the hobby. If you want to do art, please do it for yourself. Love art first before you turn it into a career, because the career will make you miserable if you are not prepared for it. I like this video because it shows what this kind of thinking can do to you as an artist, and it will destroy your motivation if you let it, so please. If you are an artist, remember the things you want to draw. I post my art not because I know people will like it, but because I'm sharing it so that maybe someone else might, but I do not expect it. Anything extra is a bonus, but ultimately, the real joy is in having made something for myself in the first place.
If you can create for yourself, then you can sustain your own motivation, because you're making exactly the things that you like, not in the hopes that it might impress somebody else because you might never know the answer to that. I've been through this sort of thing too in the past, it is only after you let go of that external dependency that you will be able to become independent of these fears holding you back. Again, you're going against a lifetime of these expectations, so it's going to be difficult to overcome, and it's definitely not going to happen overnight, but as long as you keep this in mind, it's possible to eventually come out of it understanding what you actually want out of art.
i completely agree and i'm an aspiring artist too.
To Mr.Yukihira(or Ms.Yukihira):CAN YOU JUST COOK DELICIOUS MEALS INSTEAD OF INSULTING ENA'S DRAWINGS? SHE DRAWS WITH ALL SHE GOT AND YOU GIVE HER 0,0 POINTS?! YOU JUST GOT YOUR STUDENT TO AN ENDLESS DEPRESSION
And to Futaba:You look like Megumi
I AGREE WITH THE YUKIHIRA ONE! but she wasn’t really insulting her work she was criticizing her, but she could’ve said it in a nicer way so she would feel as bad.
I haven't been able to play proseki just yet but 25ji has more or less convinced me to play when I can and tell them that everything will be alright T_T
Also, It feels wild and gross that the teacher alone is giving critiques and making them public. While I had issues with my 2D art classes and teachers in collage, at least they would make critique like this private. Any public ones would be from other students as part of a sessions.
It's also gross that the teacher just say assumptions they made about their attitude to her face like that. Also, her dad can kick rocks. These two need to take a class on giving critique.
Yukihira is said to be not just strict, but very cruel teacher. Even Ena's dad warned his daughter about that fact. Students were literally afraid in Yukihira's class, and as Ena said, were literally "shaking in fear" or something like that.
But yeah, I agree, public critique is always bad. It almost feels that Yukihira isn't just criticising, but also trying to assert themselves by putting kids down and making them feel bad about their art by shitting it in front of others. It's also a psychological trick: kids in Ena's class might've actually thought that her work was good, but, after teacher who's very respected in their eyes, tells them it worths 0 points, they start to rethink. They start to believe that this piece of art is indeed trash. That's why public critique like this sucks, and I really hate Yukihira for it :(
Some People don’t understand that artists do try to do their best and that they have feelings too
I also related to this but not in the ‘reverse’ way. Since I was small my teachers always said that I had a talent in writing (not in english tho lol) and I would get different assignments than my classmates to fit my level. But at some point I realized that yes I was good for the people in my school, but when compared to genius I come in as a below-average. I don’t know how much the telling of « as a child you overflow with talent but once you become an adult, all your talents disappears » is true but it was the case for me. Starting from the day I turned 18, slowly and slowly I just couldn’t write anything. Before that I had so many stuff I wanted to write that just staring at my desk for 30 seconds was enough, yet now I don’t have anything left to write. Ena struggled because others did not support her in something she thought she was good at while for me, all adults supported me yet when I realized that I was a nobody in the end, I lost all imaginations.
As a writer myself, I understand this SO much.
I used to be such a creative kid. I basically overflowed with ideas, I remember myself always writing in notebooks and typing stories on my laptop even during the night. I used to write non-stop. But, as I grew, I never got support for it. I started feel so bad about my writing that I began to judge it. Began to hate it. To the point where I couldn't even find out why was I writing in the first place, like "what's the point of it?" I understood that I lack imagination and can't think of a completely original story from the start till the end - though, it was actually my number one dream. I abandoned writing stories, so all I do now is fanfiction, but I feel like I'm gonna throw that "hobby" away soon as well.
(sorry if I vented here a lot)
So I get your feelings a lot!! It's sad that you had to go through this though. I hope you'll feel better soon :( 💞
I already loved Ena's and Akito's event stories and now I think the Shinonome siblings have the most interesting event stories. I can't wait for the next Akito focus event.
the fact that i love all of the members of 25-ji 😭-
i relate to ena and kanade a lot
and i just like mizuki’s fashion sense and other
and mafuyu being so cool
prob a lot of people can relate to this team like really
I'm an artist (and a writer ig) who wanted to keep their "talent" as a hobby, and got forced into an art program, this is exactly how I feel. Some students are better than me and I know it, they achieved things I wanted to achieve years ago. I'm also a massive perfectionist, haha I'm cramming two quarters worth of artwork this month and it's all because I was scared to make a single mistake on the canvas, I've been drawing on the daily though but it's just mere sketches, I've seen old drawings I've had where I'm like "wow she (my past self) was so confident in drawing poses, not even the anatomy is right but it looks so natural" or "this character is not written that well but it feels so realistic" (I write too) and now I just tend to worry over the minor stuff of everything. My recent drawings have been more focused on around my mental breakdowns, mere messy sketches with barely any form, concerns me sometimes when I look back at it.
Seeing how complicated my family situation is too, art and writing is kind of my sekai, just to escape but even with that, how can I escape to my sekai when even my sekai is having problems. Come to think of it, my book has been on hiatus for 3 months and I still haven't gotten back to it. Writers block amiright?
A big part of me says I can take criticism well, but every time I receive some my stomach just sinks, even when most of the criticism are constructive, I'd get annoyed and wish I never heard it. Ahh bad thing to have honestly, it applies heavily to my writing too.
I really tend to wish that I was like her (my past self again), where she's carefree and could care less about problems and just write, just draw, do things so freely.
Oh, I understand the perfectionism and critism parts very well!! I suffer from the same things you mentioned, but it's not really with art, it's with my writing. Though, unlike you, I wanted to make something more of my work, like become a famous writer or smth. Yet I bullied and gaslighted myself into thinking I should keep it as a "hobby" instead.
Still, I'm very sorry that this is happening to you. I hope you'll be able to gain confidence in your work!!
This hits really hard. Im an amateur artist who only uses bases since Im terrible at anatomy. But usually I edit the base to make it look at least a bit more original, and in my style. Sometimes I think my art is getting better, but then I look around and notice how other people's art is better. A prime example of this is when I entered a fanart contest from one of my favorite games, only not to make it at all. I spent so much time in my entry, I couldnt help but compare myself. I've come to learn that everyone has their own style, and the only thing I can do to move forward is to continue drawing and improving myself. I think out of all the girls in N25, I can relate to Ena the most. Especially when her father told her she isnt talented enough for drawing. Sometimes I think thats what people want to say to my face, but just cover it up with smiles and praises. I want that praise, but when its genuine and not something to make me feel better.
Relating to this waayyyyyy too hard right now. For most of high school, I'd do mostly realism with colored pencil or graphite, because it was what I was good at doing. My senior year, I decided to switch to watercolors the whole year and focus on being looser and using more color. Obviously, I wasn't as good with the medium, but I thought it was really fun and my stuff wasn't half bad.
My teacher disagreed. I think the highest grade I'd gotten on an assignment that year was an 80%. Any time I messed up, he would say I was a waste of his time. And then, I would keep making more stupid mistakes because I l felt so shitty. It fucked me up really, *really* badly. At the beginning of the year, I loved working with watercolor. It was what I enjoyed doing, even if it wasn't what I was best at. I felt like I could better express myself.
Hearing him say I was a waste of his time not once, but *twice* killed me. I can't properly express the overwhelming dread I felt whenever I walked into that classroom. I couldn't switch out either, it was too late into the year and I had already committed to the end-of-year test. I can't stand even thinking about that class, and I'm still working on trying to build my self worth back up.
I'm so sorry that this happened to you!! Adults and especially can really mess up you psychologically,,, (I had so many shitty teachers in one of my schools (not art one) that I literally had to transfer to another one 💀)
Anyway, if watercolor is what you like, then, I believe, you should just continue. And I also really hope you'll feel better soon 💞
its the mafuyufication of nightcord
when she lost her eye shine its like shes soulless
These stories, the ones of Nigo, are greatly relatable to me, and I realize they are to others to. The struggle’s not ours alone, we know that, yet in these situations it can’t be helped to harbor these insidious feelings of loneliness and hopelessness. I sometimes feel an utter distaste for my uselessness, yet at the same time feel like to try is a lie, is fake, unauthentic, that I’m going against “my true nature”, which is uselessness. Idk why I have that feeling at times, weird. It’s a good thing to still have the desire to move forward and do it, which is the thing I envy people who have it in the times I feel like doing nothing. So Ena’s will makes me envy and admire too. Therefore ones with words like Ena’s teacher nauseate me, fills me with the urge to punch them in the face. Even if that’s myself, if I hurt others efforts, I immediately punch myself in the face. At these times punisments feel deserving and ease my guilts.
Eek, what a comment. Awkward. Now I just hope everyone is having an ok day :D
Oh, I get this kind of feeling. I get it a lot nowadays, so that's... fun 💀
ALSO I AGREE I WANT TO PUNCH YUKIHIRA SO MUCH, LIKE BITCH-
But, as for you, I hope you're doing well now ☺️
It really does hurt like that…at one point I wanted to quit art all together because I was so hard on myself, I never thought I was any good because I looked at other artists pieces which were obviously much better than mine. In a way…Ena felt like a reflection of myself. Even the feeling of the light leaving my eyes….is something I’m all too familiar with.
I'm sorry that this happened to you. I hope you won't actually give up on drawing!! Please, keep pushing, even if you think that your work is not enough.
I relate to Ena so much. A sudden drop after a stage of complements can be painful.
I relate to Ena so much. I have always loved to draw, but I wasn't born with natural talent. I was always trying draw well throughout my entire childhood, but all I heard from my parents was, "what is that? oh I couldn't tell", "stop drawing all the time", "drawing is a talent people are born with, and you weren't born with it", "stop drawing bad princesses", "stop wasting time drawing", "you are never going to be able to draw as well as a professional". And all I ever heard from other people was "that's nice dear". It kinda messed up my self-confidence tbh. But one summer I found an anime comic book that came with a toy I had. I stayed up late, night after night, perfecting the technique of copying the drawings, and eventually I was able to do it without even looking at the pictures. Then I edited the technique to draw more diverse characters. Then one day, I showed one of my drawings to my father, and I couldn't help but smile as I watched him try to find something wrong with the drawing, but he couldn't. It felt so damn good I swear.
As someone who draws as a hobby and gets told that my art is good and I have talent, I do appreciate it and I am genuinely grateful for the things that people say about my art but for me the downsides of being an artist is that whenever I'm on Instagram or really any social media platform, I see people whom are younger than me and their art is much better than mine. From the coloring to the attention to detail and even their art style just makes me envious and also ashamed of myself for not being as good as those younger artists. I'm in middle school right now and yes I am proud of what I do but how I relate to Ena in this event story is a different kind of situation but also the same in some ways.
New to prsk stories and i didn't expect ena to be this relatable... While I'm all for constructive crits, it just seems like her teacher only knew how to crit without properly teaching her. Same with her artist father. I always hate these "talent" types who expect kids to be able to just naturally pick up all the basics by instinct alone. Like no, there's theory for a reason, and when someone doesn't have a supportive learning environment where they can receive feedback, how would u expect them to improve as well as the others? Maybe people like Futaba have a better grasp on the basics, so she immediately knows what to do when she's given crit, but i guess Ena wasn't ever taught, so when she couldn't implement it properly it's perfectly understandable imo. It's not a show of a lack of effort. And a good teacher shouldn't just accuse a student of "only wanting praise" when she's just looking for some damn guidance dammit!! Her father too!! Who's to say she "doesn't have the talent" to be an artist!! She just wasn't able to learn properly. Anyone could be an artist and focusing too much on praising innate talent and sense instead of someone's ability to learn is so counterproductive. Her teacher doesn't know how to be a teacher and her father doesn't know how to be a father. If only she had a better and more supportive environment...
Ahhh yes every 25-ji is relatable in one way or another this is why I love them so much especially Mafuyu which her story hits close to home and am happy she has friends around her while I didn't at least anime exists if it weren't for it I'd have a bullet in my head and is 6 feet under
Edit: Also to add I've been praised as a musical genius as a child well things happened so... Yeah I've lost everything I have no clue what will happen to me from now on that I've chosen to live since I already lost what I loved before
That's sad that you lost something that you loved :( Though, I hope you'll be able to figure out your dreams. Maybe you should try yourself in different hobbies. Wish you luck!! ☺️
Why is it that the Shinonome stories are relatable, everyone in 25ji needs a huge big hug
The entire N25 needs some wonderhoy ASAP
I AGREE
This feels like every artist at one moment of their life
I think this applies to every competitive scenario, not just art
Like you're by yourself thinking that what you've made is good, then you look at others and realize how low effort it looks like by comparison, even if it was done with every bit of effort.
And it doesn't help getting such blunt judgements, it's more discouraging than anything, like you can see that others have made something objectively better
The fact I relate to her so much just hurts as an artist seeing everyone be better then you in your class, even if they’ve just started, or just improving so fast, I can’t keep up. Ena is a character I love because I can relate to her on a personal level and I’m not sure if that’s a good or bad thing.
art school was a villain arc to some person i studied about
Painful I couldn’t take that many punches like that😭💔For a teacher to be continuously harsh it messes with your self esteem a LOT
as someone with a dissociative disorder to me it seems like she dissociated *hard*
i dont relate to ena exactly but still somehow so much.
when i was in the 2nd grade, i saw a pic of hatsune miku, and it made me so amazed someone drew her. like, with their own hands, from scratch. it was something that i couldnt even imagine and i wanted to draw just like that. ever since then, i drew. i never took any art classes other than the basic school ones, but at school, once someone catches on you like art, your the art kid. and i loved that! i loved the compliments, and the praise. now, im going to 11th grade. i still draw, and im sure ive reached the point where if i showed younger me my art i'd be jumping for joy. but ive been going through something with my art lately, its hard to describe in just one word. i draw almost everyday, i draw all the time, its a part of me. recently my mental health has been horrible, and just drawing anime characters all colorful and happy seemed just...not right. i wanted to put my emotions into art, my anger and sadness, but i cant. i never drew out of feeling, and recently i saw some of an old artists work i love. his art is so emotional and invokes so much feeling, though still simple, and im sure its something i could do if i knew the emotional side of it. but i cant. i wonder, did i ever just draw as a superficial trait, just because im terrible at everything else? my art is so worthless, it has no meaning and its obv anime style so probably wont get me far in an actual career. i started cus i saw a pic of hatsune miku ffs. the one thing i thought i could do, maybe was just a stupid way to pass time.
sorry for the essay :D i guess tons of people feel unsure about out art, but maybe we should all just embrace it and know that its all worthy, and you will never reach a point where youre truly satisfied, so keep practicing and know your art means something!
It's not about how good your drawing is compared to others'. It's about how much you're growing compared to where you started, versus how much they're growing compared to where THEY started. Everything that happened in this scene was absolutely justified and with a good, honest teacher.
I swear every single Project Sekai character has PTSD…they got so many flashbacks of these bad times 😭😭
Niigo get them the most often
this story actually made me cry like tears
Omg I actually kind of relate to her. Seeing other people’s art that’s much better than mine makes me upset. Another thing is that , I don’t wanna sound narcissistic or anything, but I want compliments on my art! I like knowing that people think it’s good!!
I am not really an artist but I still relate to Ena in this video. I always feel down when I look at my friend's drawings because they are so much prettier. I try the whole time to get better but even if I use another drawing style or when I try to practise drawing in the style I currently have I notice that I am still as bad as I was before. And my art teacher in school doesn't help. They always praise the other students in class (especially my friend) while they always seem to find something in my pictures that they can criticise. I don't draw for attention but it just feels horrible
The adults in Ena's life really did her dirty.
Thank u for translating!!
ngl you're right
THIS WAS THE VIDEO THAT DREW ME TO PROJECT SEKAI!!! THANK YOU JAY
(sorry for bad English)
When i was i child i didn't really recived prices, they just ignored it, so i never stop drawing, to see if someone (my family) says something nice, but they just don't care, and that hurts me, so i decided that if I'm gonna draw i will do it for myself and my future,
The 0 prices that my family "gave" to me hurts, i can start crying right now, but in the last year (2021) after a rough 2020 i started to be more positive with myself, even if it's still hard being with my family i still want to do it, maybe it's not really that related with this or with others people experience but i wanted to let this out
this made me cry becuase of how relatable it is :(
Literally 99% of the comments:
Everyone saying how Ena is relatable to them for how their art got criticized/isn't appreciated.
ENANAAAAANNNNNNNNNN NOOOOOOOO
SHE WAS MAFUYUFIED
@@jaycy7024 it was mafuyu who was enafied…. ENA was the OG!!
@@starlightparades omg you're right 😳
They were not joking when they said art school tries to make you fail😭
These type of people who think arts can only go one way...
I just wanna shove them into a room full of Avant-Garde paintings and force them to listen to Avant-Garde music.
this scene was HEARTBREAKING TO WATCH..
I really relate to Ena, you know? I love drawing, I get mad easily, my emotions run rampant, and I cannot handle a crass remark when I'm already in a bad mood.. Seeing her dreams get crushed by her father, only to then see Ena be criticized by her teacher, then seeing that she noticed everyone else got a compliment..
I myself have a very hard time with my self esteem in art. No one really pays attention to it. I have it a lot easier than most people, I think, and so I really feel for her..
It made my stomach turn. It was heartwrenching, awful, terrible.. My heart goes out to Ena.
When you feel defeated and stopped, maybe it's a proper time to take a break and pull yourself together before sunk deeper
5:05 ''ah!'' THAT WAS HER HEART SHATTERING ENAAA
I'm an artist and I've felt this way before, but honestly nowadays I take the criticism very well. Instead of attaching my self worth to how well I draw in comparison to others, I'm excited to take the criticism so I can improve my craft. I never make excuses or defend my artwork anymore, and I filter criticism from subjective opinion pretty easily now.
As a oc creator and a painter I feel this from friends, family and teachers… it sucks by all means but it’s hard to not think on the bad things about it. I just moved to Tennessee and already have the people giving me criticism because they say my personality switches so much that they think I have something wrong mentally or I just lash out because I’m overwhelmed to the point I shut up. Honestly ena is just a total way to show what happens to people who get into art, etc.
Growing up is scary and I get how she felt, there will be people who always praise you because they believe in you and made you believe in yourself that whatever ure doing, ure doing good. But it made us look over our mistakes and flaws, it blinded us until it was too late then we got reality check in our faces. Then the rejections and hates will be very hard to swallow..
The thing about Ena is she need support. Before she join N25, she desperately need praise from other because she need a validation from other since the adult in her life do nothing but bringing her down everytime. But that wasnt what she need. What ena trully need was someone who genuinely like her art and willing to support her through thick and thin and also motivate her to move forward, and thats Niigo is to Ena.
I really love this story 😢 Ena became one of my fav character on proseka because of this very story.
WHEN I SAW THAT THE VIDEO WAS ENDING I WAS LIKE NOO
PLS TELL ME WHAT THE TEACHER SAID
He said nothing lol, just kept that "......" and that's all
this video introduced me to project sekai 💀
I did not expect this to hit so hard. I can't even remember the last time I drew anything.
I feel like there’s quite a few people misinterpreting the meaning here.
Yukihara is trying to tell her- “draw from the heart”.
Draw what makes her happy, not what she thinks will make others happy. Its the same notion we get caught up in with twitter and youtube algorithms- she puts too much stock into the opinions of others without considering what she wants from art itself. Drawing to appease, not because she enjoys the process. Because she doesn’t draw with passion, her work doesn’t stand out compared to her peers (which isn’t always the case, but it can sometimes be).
Growth as an artist doesn’t just involve technique. It’s exploring and finding the language of art that can speak the words of your soul. Art teachers often focus on this because down the line they will instead be expected to appease, and not having any kind of passion toward art itself will burn them out quickly.
It is not a short or easy path, but its worth walking, I think.
Develop technique in the same vein as you would work on your vocabulary- to express yourself better, not for the sake of praise.
Why didn’t she say “Draw from the hear” in the first place then? Like she could have said that instead of making Ena feel like her art isn’t good enough.
Seeing shinonome-sans eyes go all dark like asahina-sans is so unsettling
I really relate to this. Ahh I kinda regret not reading the event stories. As an artist who got praised a lot by grade 2-3, It started with art projects,Got complimented and I felt so good about myself. I even entered art competitions for school. By Grade 4, My mental health was declining. Top of that, I started to feel insecure because the New students had better art, By then I started to compare my art to others. I made myself believe that “I cant draw”, Cause even people started to tell me my drawings were really bad, It made me feel worse. Grade 5, I “fully” given up on art, I transferred, I started to become ok because I didnt get bullied much. Grade 6, I started to do art again, and I received many bad criticism.Yes I am very sensitive. It just feels like a terrible loop. By Highschool my art is stable but I cant help but give in to the toxic habit of comparing to other people.
i always get jealous whenever i see someones art that is so much better than mine seeing this made me want to practice more and keep improving my art!!(sorry if i say anything wrong english isn't first language)
That's actually a healthy mindset! Sometimes people just can't help but get jealous, but it's completely fine as long as you're improving.
Keep up in this spirit