I was gonna wait until tomorrow to upload this video but eh, best to get it out there ASAP. The roasting was completely justified and I take full responsibility for the misread (and "not understanding the fundamentals of MtG", apparently).
I mean man… if you’ve only been playing a few months I might take a step back from criticizing rules and ban lists that are probably there for reasons you don’t quite have the knowledge of yet. Instead focus on your strong suites make videos from the perspective of a new player, showing off cool things you’re finding or asking and answering questions you have since as a new player you know what questions you and probably some other new players mist want answers to…
I'm going to offer that if you misread Yawgmoth's Bargain THAT dramatically then it's possible you don't fully comprehend any of these cards. Tinker and Academy are SO much worth than bargain. With Tinker you can turn ONE blightsteel. Or turn one One Ring. Or any of the INSANE artifacts in MTG. turn one God Pharaoah's Statue or other tax effects kills the game. Darksteel Forge. Cityscape Leveller. Akroma's Memorial. Portal To Phyrexia. Whatever you need... turn one. Academy is just an even more broken Gaea's Cradle. Every artifact land, treasure (or everything you have if you tutored mycosynth lattice) giving you a blue? I'd unban the others though. Recall is nuts, but it's also SO expensive I don't think you'd see it often.
"it's fine cause it's too expensive for people to afford" is a bad argument to unban something. Recall is the second strongest magic card ever printed.
@@seandun7083 Of course it isn't. It's not difference than me saying there's only one copy of a card out there, so it isn't an issue. Bans have always been justified by how common cards are in decks. We're currently seeing that the one ring is in 50% of all modern decks where it's a 4 of. That's more likely to see a ban than a card that's in one deck. Recall is strong, VERY strong, but it's three cards... in a format where it's just one of 99 cards, and there are many ways to draw multiple cards. This video literally talks about necropotence. Recall breaks a 60 card format where you're running 4 of them and have tons of ways to get to it. You want to run it in a commander game with me? Go for it. Can't wait to see it.
@@LeviClay in vintage you can only run one of them. It's still broken in half. In cube it's generally agreed to be a higher pick than Black Lotus. In other unofficial formats that are Singleton where it is legal, like Canadian Highlander, it's still broken and it's seen as stronger than cards like Time Walk, Time Vault, Black Lotus, or Flash. The card is not okay. There is a big difference between not seeing play because of it's price versus not seeing play because it's not strong. That's especially true because price doesn't always matter. While a Unlimited Ancestral Recall is a few thousand dollars, you can get a Vintage Masters one on Magic Online for about $4 and you can proxy one for free.
"nothing's stopping you from cheating an expensive artifact into play, but in order to cast it you need to sacrifice an artifact" I'm sure that is what the designers at the time though, but it turns out that that's a very small cost, especially as we have gotten many more expensive artifacts. There is a reason it's banned in every format other than Vintage, where it's restricted.
"Why not this, while this other thing is legal?" is not a argument, because commander bans are signposts. Having a tutor AND mana cheating in to the same card, is not the same as having one or the other. And even if it was, it's just a shows what broken cards are not align with the format, not to unban that one.
Many of the banned cards might not seem so bad at first glance (cards like Fastbond) but they are extremely powerful in the right decks. It's interesting and fun seeing someone's opinion on them that has just started into the game. And I don't mean that in a condescending way either, it's just nice to see people come across them for the first time :)
I probably don't need to say why I appreciate this comment, but I will anyway. Wish the rest of them were as respectful as this. You genuinely made my day - thank you.
Putting it into play stops it being in the same category as those other tutors. Look through expensive artifacts and see is they seem reasonable at 3 mana. That is the argument you have to make. Bolas's Citadel seems the go to in vintage currently.
So t1, Island, sol Ring. T2 Tinker (sac the sol Ring) into blightsteel colossus. Seems balanced. And thats just one possibility. Portal to phyrexia is a thing, and there are so many powerfull artifacts, and the fact that they come direct into play is what makes the difference to any other Tutor. And since you can sac a food/clue/treasure or any other artifact, the sac isn't a drawback at all.
I saw the card In the thumbnail and thought that’s just doing a normal draw except you pay 1 life. Then I thought about it and realized it’s just a 10x better nercopotence
My opinions on this, purely from a power level perspective and ignoring availability of cards: Ancesteral Recall is in my opinion in the top 3 best cards in the game, if not the best card outright. To the point that in Legacy, the most powerful format where nearly everything is legal, it is often tutored for since getting 3 more cards can win games. It is a different format though, since card advantage is very important, and every card is individually stronger than in commander. I do still think that Ancestral is stronger than most fast mana regardless, especially since there are a lot of cards that can approach the efficiency of moxxen, since rituals and mana rocks can fufill both of their uses respectively. Yet Ancestral has no competitors that get close in general efficiency. Rofellos sounds fine to unban, makes sense. Tinker is very, very strong, especially since mana rocks are very common, and there are 6-12 cost artifacts that near instantly win the game. It is not unreasonable to be able to tinker turn 2-3 for something that can easily snowball into a win. While powerful, assuming we are unbanning for power, and not the likes of sway the stars, something needs to be unbanned. Tolarian Acedemy though. When it comes to artifacts, they are basically free if you build your deck around them. A lot of your lands can be artifacts, and if you include a lot of 0 and 1 mana artifacts, Tolarian Academy can quite easily mana silly amounts of mana. It is probably on the strong side. Library of Alexandria is strong, I might have never seen it in action, however it sure is powerful. Imagine playing it turn 1, then, every turn, draw for your turn, draw for alexandria, and play a land and a card. You essentially get to draw a card every turn at the cost of a land drop. While that is silly good, I do think that the cost of it being hard to use later, when you draw it with a 4- card hand, and the fact that your are sacrificing a mana and color producer to do so makes it less powerful. I would think that Recall and Tinker go in every deck, yet library has some limits that might make it hard to use, and is probably fine to unban.
*Vintage is the one where recall is legal, not Legacy. That being said, it's also worth noting that the similar cards that are legal in Legacy (Brainstorm, Ponder, Lórien Revealed) see tons of play despite being orders of magnitude weaker.
dude tinker is crazy, there is a lot of unexpensive artifacts out there, especially in dedicated decks, that can be easily sacrificed to cheat out game winning cards very early into the game since it's so cheap. there is no way it's fine to be free
No. Tinker can get ultra broken artifacts IN TO PLAY at the cost of an artifact land or cheap/free artifact. Library of Alexandria is too expensive as is ancestral recall. Rofellos was already tried and the fact it essentially doubles your mana from the command zone makes it hard to interact with. Tolarian academy interacts with artifacts too well.
Tinker is a better natural order for artifacts in blue. If we think the RC wanted to slow down the rhythm of the games, I really doubt this would happen. The same argument for Tolarian Academy. Actually, I don't believe blue need more resources in artifacts decks or draw. Rofellos would be nice and Library too. I think Coalition Victory should be in your list.
@@magickfinngersThe big way to remember it is that activated abilities are "cost: effect", triggers use "when", "whenever", or "at" and anything else is generally static.
@@magickfinngers Looking back it was a knee-jerk reaction to "tinker is a fair and balanced card." It appears like you did read the card. I still disagree that tinker and fabricate are the same card. I know they both get expensive artifacts out of your library, but you are saying it is fine that you get to skip paying 8-12 mana because you had to sacrifice something.
HAHAHA "worst phyrexian arena". Phyrexian arena is a triggered ability, not a static ability. Tinker! No! Tinker put the artifact on the battlefield . Nothing like another tutor. I must say, you're not very good to judge a card's power.
I was gonna wait until tomorrow to upload this video but eh, best to get it out there ASAP. The roasting was completely justified and I take full responsibility for the misread (and "not understanding the fundamentals of MtG", apparently).
I mean man… if you’ve only been playing a few months I might take a step back from criticizing rules and ban lists that are probably there for reasons you don’t quite have the knowledge of yet. Instead focus on your strong suites make videos from the perspective of a new player, showing off cool things you’re finding or asking and answering questions you have since as a new player you know what questions you and probably some other new players mist want answers to…
@@tomscout5423 Tell you what, that's not a bad idea.
unbanning tinker would be idiotic with the amount of treasures, food, clues, etc "free" artifacts tacked onto card draw spells and ramp spells
I'm going to offer that if you misread Yawgmoth's Bargain THAT dramatically then it's possible you don't fully comprehend any of these cards. Tinker and Academy are SO much worth than bargain. With Tinker you can turn ONE blightsteel. Or turn one One Ring. Or any of the INSANE artifacts in MTG. turn one God Pharaoah's Statue or other tax effects kills the game. Darksteel Forge. Cityscape Leveller. Akroma's Memorial. Portal To Phyrexia. Whatever you need... turn one.
Academy is just an even more broken Gaea's Cradle. Every artifact land, treasure (or everything you have if you tutored mycosynth lattice) giving you a blue?
I'd unban the others though. Recall is nuts, but it's also SO expensive I don't think you'd see it often.
"it's fine cause it's too expensive for people to afford" is a bad argument to unban something. Recall is the second strongest magic card ever printed.
@@seandun7083 Of course it isn't. It's not difference than me saying there's only one copy of a card out there, so it isn't an issue. Bans have always been justified by how common cards are in decks. We're currently seeing that the one ring is in 50% of all modern decks where it's a 4 of. That's more likely to see a ban than a card that's in one deck.
Recall is strong, VERY strong, but it's three cards... in a format where it's just one of 99 cards, and there are many ways to draw multiple cards. This video literally talks about necropotence.
Recall breaks a 60 card format where you're running 4 of them and have tons of ways to get to it.
You want to run it in a commander game with me? Go for it. Can't wait to see it.
@@LeviClay in vintage you can only run one of them. It's still broken in half. In cube it's generally agreed to be a higher pick than Black Lotus. In other unofficial formats that are Singleton where it is legal, like Canadian Highlander, it's still broken and it's seen as stronger than cards like Time Walk, Time Vault, Black Lotus, or Flash. The card is not okay.
There is a big difference between not seeing play because of it's price versus not seeing play because it's not strong. That's especially true because price doesn't always matter. While a Unlimited Ancestral Recall is a few thousand dollars, you can get a Vintage Masters one on Magic Online for about $4 and you can proxy one for free.
"nothing's stopping you from cheating an expensive artifact into play, but in order to cast it you need to sacrifice an artifact"
I'm sure that is what the designers at the time though, but it turns out that that's a very small cost, especially as we have gotten many more expensive artifacts.
There is a reason it's banned in every format other than Vintage, where it's restricted.
"Why not this, while this other thing is legal?" is not a argument, because commander bans are signposts. Having a tutor AND mana cheating in to the same card, is not the same as having one or the other. And even if it was, it's just a shows what broken cards are not align with the format, not to unban that one.
Many of the banned cards might not seem so bad at first glance (cards like Fastbond) but they are extremely powerful in the right decks. It's interesting and fun seeing someone's opinion on them that has just started into the game. And I don't mean that in a condescending way either, it's just nice to see people come across them for the first time :)
I probably don't need to say why I appreciate this comment, but I will anyway. Wish the rest of them were as respectful as this. You genuinely made my day - thank you.
It puts it into play, 1 treasure for a blightsteel collosus lol
Putting it into play stops it being in the same category as those other tutors. Look through expensive artifacts and see is they seem reasonable at 3 mana. That is the argument you have to make. Bolas's Citadel seems the go to in vintage currently.
Yawgmoth's bargain was made to be a fixed necropotence that was actually far worse in terms of brokenness
So t1, Island, sol Ring. T2 Tinker (sac the sol Ring) into blightsteel colossus. Seems balanced. And thats just one possibility. Portal to phyrexia is a thing, and there are so many powerfull artifacts, and the fact that they come direct into play is what makes the difference to any other Tutor. And since you can sac a food/clue/treasure or any other artifact, the sac isn't a drawback at all.
I saw the card In the thumbnail and thought that’s just doing a normal draw except you pay 1 life. Then I thought about it and realized it’s just a 10x better nercopotence
My opinions on this, purely from a power level perspective and ignoring availability of cards:
Ancesteral Recall is in my opinion in the top 3 best cards in the game, if not the best card outright. To the point that in Legacy, the most powerful format where nearly everything is legal, it is often tutored for since getting 3 more cards can win games. It is a different format though, since card advantage is very important, and every card is individually stronger than in commander. I do still think that Ancestral is stronger than most fast mana regardless, especially since there are a lot of cards that can approach the efficiency of moxxen, since rituals and mana rocks can fufill both of their uses respectively. Yet Ancestral has no competitors that get close in general efficiency.
Rofellos sounds fine to unban, makes sense.
Tinker is very, very strong, especially since mana rocks are very common, and there are 6-12 cost artifacts that near instantly win the game. It is not unreasonable to be able to tinker turn 2-3 for something that can easily snowball into a win. While powerful, assuming we are unbanning for power, and not the likes of sway the stars, something needs to be unbanned.
Tolarian Acedemy though. When it comes to artifacts, they are basically free if you build your deck around them. A lot of your lands can be artifacts, and if you include a lot of 0 and 1 mana artifacts, Tolarian Academy can quite easily mana silly amounts of mana. It is probably on the strong side.
Library of Alexandria is strong, I might have never seen it in action, however it sure is powerful.
Imagine playing it turn 1, then, every turn, draw for your turn, draw for alexandria, and play a land and a card. You essentially get to draw a card every turn at the cost of a land drop. While that is silly good, I do think that the cost of it being hard to use later, when you draw it with a 4- card hand, and the fact that your are sacrificing a mana and color producer to do so makes it less powerful. I would think that Recall and Tinker go in every deck, yet library has some limits that might make it hard to use, and is probably fine to unban.
*Vintage is the one where recall is legal, not Legacy. That being said, it's also worth noting that the similar cards that are legal in Legacy (Brainstorm, Ponder, Lórien Revealed) see tons of play despite being orders of magnitude weaker.
dude tinker is crazy, there is a lot of unexpensive artifacts out there, especially in dedicated decks, that can be easily sacrificed to cheat out game winning cards very early into the game since it's so cheap. there is no way it's fine to be free
No. Tinker can get ultra broken artifacts IN TO PLAY at the cost of an artifact land or cheap/free artifact. Library of Alexandria is too expensive as is ancestral recall. Rofellos was already tried and the fact it essentially doubles your mana from the command zone makes it hard to interact with. Tolarian academy interacts with artifacts too well.
Tinker is a better natural order for artifacts in blue. If we think the RC wanted to slow down the rhythm of the games, I really doubt this would happen. The same argument for Tolarian Academy. Actually, I don't believe blue need more resources in artifacts decks or draw. Rofellos would be nice and Library too. I think Coalition Victory should be in your list.
Coalition Victory would admittedly have been a better choice than at least two cards I mentioned.
Yawgmoth Bargain = GriselBrand lol
Yawgmoth's Bargain is Mono Black Cocaine
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1:32 Wrong. it's a triggered ability.
Thank you for the correction. Still familiarizing myself with all of the rules terminology.
@@magickfinngersThe big way to remember it is that activated abilities are "cost: effect", triggers use "when", "whenever", or "at" and anything else is generally static.
Did you misread tinker also?
If you think I did, do feel free to point out where.
@@magickfinngers Looking back it was a knee-jerk reaction to "tinker is a fair and balanced card." It appears like you did read the card. I still disagree that tinker and fabricate are the same card. I know they both get expensive artifacts out of your library, but you are saying it is fine that you get to skip paying 8-12 mana because you had to sacrifice something.
@@RandonActs5 A completely fair assessment.
I think you also misread Tinker my friend...
Did I? Because I'm pretty sure I just left out the part where you shuffle, but then again, that's part of the action for more or less all tutors.
HAHAHA "worst phyrexian arena". Phyrexian arena is a triggered ability, not a static ability. Tinker! No! Tinker put the artifact on the battlefield . Nothing like another tutor. I must say, you're not very good to judge a card's power.
Bargain has been around a very long time. Why are you making videos if you don't know what you're doing?
"The reason I'm naming Tinker as a card I would unban..." tell me you're new to MTG without telling me you're new to MTG