Rieju MR300 Ranger Old Gas GAs Ranger) review︱Cross Training Enduro
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- www.crosstraini... tractionerag.com A review of the Rieju MR300 Ranger? There have been very few changes from the original Gas Gas Ranger so hopefully this will still help if looking for a Rieju MR300 review. It's the 2020 Gas Gas Ranger review, a bike we have been super keen to ride as several of us think this could be our next bike. It falls into what many call the hybrid class - it's not quite a full enduro bike due to a slight trials influence. The good news? We had five riders for our Gas Gas Ranger review 2020 (or Rieju MR300 review) over two days and we agree it certainly meets those expectations. A few things we did't like. But overall plenty to like about this neat package and it's certainly going to challenge its main competitor, the Beta Xtrainer. First up? Kayaba suspension. It's not the famously brilliant SSS setup of its big brother. It's slightly softer and works great for the Ranger's intended use. I upped the speed a few times and it still worked fine, but get too aggressive and you'll find its limits quickly though. I've had my Beta Xtrainer suspension completely revalved and resprung and it still can't match the Ranger's stock setup. I suspect this is why the Rieju MR300 Ranger still feels quite stable at speed, whereas the Xtrainer does become quite skittish once you are in third gear. The Gas Gas 2020 (Rieju MR300 Ranger) two stroke pipe is up nice and high and tucked in nicely. If you are into hard enduro you may want a carbon fibre guard. For some reason Gas Gas are claiming a dry weight of 108kg so it's good to know it's not that porky. What else is there to like? The price. In Australia the 2020 Gas Gas Ranger costs $11500 plus on roads making it one of the cheapest European dirt bikes on the market. So what don't we like about the Gas Gas Ranger? As mentioned, the Ranger is slightly heavier than the Beta Xtrainer although you only notice it when picking the bike up. I think most owners would happily pay a bit extra for a lithium battery which knocks another 1.5kg off the the weight. Irrelevant for most riders, but if you are into snotty rocky terrain then these 2020 Gas Gas Ranger frame rails are just like the Beta Xtrainer ones and can get bashed by rocks, unless protected by a suitable bashplate. In my experience the stock Michelin tyres work fine, but they were terrible in the mud and clay. The shorter knobs packed up with mud rapidly and turned into slicks. We are really spoiled for choice nowadays with this the new version, the Rieju MR300 Ranger. The clutch is incredibly light and perfect for all the slipping required in slow terrain. All clutches should be this good. Takasago rims from Japan have a great reputation. We were advised though to keep an eye on spoke tension more than normal just for the first few rides, they can loosen off easily before bedding in. Overall the handling was impressive. But it was quite at home in the faster flowing stuff too. The 2020 Gas Gas Ranger power delivery is very user-friendly and it's smoother than the Beta Xtrainer. It has less punch at low revs, something I missed due to our style of riding but It think most riders would actually find this better if they are less experienced or not aiming to ride snotty terrain all the time. Some claim that rejetting and changing the Gas Gas Ranger base gasket can increase the low end grunt substantially, I'll chase this up possibly do a Gas Gas 2020 = update vid later. Ergonomics? We had five different riders from short to tall, everyone was comfortable. Our shortest rider did notice that the 2020 Gas Gas Ranger is 2cm higher than his Beta Xtrainer, but pointed out the Gas Gas seat is quite thick and there's plenty of scope for cutting the seat down if needed. At the other end of the scale, I'm ridiculously tall but felt comfortable on the Ranger, especially as the rear panels flair out a lot so it's easy to grip the bike with your legs and feel quite stable. What else for the Gas Gas 2020 models?
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THE NEW RIEJU MODELS! The old Gas Gas models have continued under a new name - Rieju. For 2021, the models have only minor changes so this review will still applicable. As of 2021, Rieju still has only made minor changes. Unfortunately the heavy weight persists. They haven't changed the unreliable e-start, although we hear it's bathed in oil now which should help a bit. The engines are still soft at the lower revs. But if the price is cheap, we think it's still a good option in the two stroke market! Unfortunately they are priced not much less than the competition in Australia... so why pay so much for a six year old design? If you don't know about Rieju, read below...
Unfortunately KTM is becoming a huge multinational trying to buy up the competition, such as Gas Gas. The good news? Rieju in Spain has bought the intellectual and industrial property used to build GasGas enduro models which will continue under the RIEJU brand. And the Ranger will continue as the Rieju MR300 Ranger!
adbmag.com.au/editorial/rieju-to-manufacture-enduro-models-on-gasgas-platform/
The investment made by RIEJU will see the GasGas 300 two-stroke as we know it today manufactured under the RIEJU brand at its plant in Figueres, Spain. Distribution of new bikes will start in June. Rumours are circulating that suggest RIEJU is currently updating the platform to modernise a few key aspects including relocating the starter motor.
Jordi Riera, CEO of RIEJU, S.A. said “This agreement allows RIEJU an immediate presence in the off-road competition segment with larger capacity machines than usual for Rieju, as well as a significant expansion of our client portfolio, and important openings to new markets.
We are very excited for this new adventure and the enormous challenge that this entails. We have enormous experience in our design, manufacture and distribution structure, so we are convinced that this project will be a success for our company."
RIEJU was founded in 1934 and currently manufactures more than 12,000 motorcycles annually in its facilities in Figueres near Barcelona and exports 85% of its production to more than 40 countries. It’s known for producing small-to-mid capacity scooters, trailbikes and roadbikes.
Having bought a Ranger 300 after watching this vid, I am still impressed with it. 0 issues so far with 15 hours on the clock. The bike did loose a small amount of coolant in the first ride, however the level has subsequently settled at the top of the fins (seems normal radiator behavior in my experience). I have noticed the slight lack of ground clearance in very deep ruts, but not been a major nuisance. Thank you for the video.
Just bought a 2022 Ranger 300,it is awesome in tight single track.
Barry you pretty much need 2 bikes in case one breaks down to keep the vids going. You have my blessing to get a gasgas.
Glad to hear the reports on this particular KYB setup.
Another great video! I have been so happy with my X-Trainer for the last few years that I was not even aware of the Gas Gas Ranger. It is exciting to see this market growing as most of our riding buddies would benefit from getting off their fire breathers and on to bikes like these.
Great style of bike, hey Scott? I hope the new Rieju which bought all the Gas Gas plans will keep making the Ranger...
Hopefully this one has no issues. My 18 gasgas ec300 had that many issues I had to get rid of it.
Gas Gas has been getting excellent reviews, with their new generation of bikes, and this looks like the first real x trainer competitor.
i love how these hybrid bikes coming. These should have been out 20 years ago :(
They were. Gasgas pampers 250
Kdx200
Comparison on this and the 200RR. The Sausage has spoken.
Hmmm! Been looking at this ride! Thanks for the review! My wheels are spinning! KYB, I'm glad you liked it . I love the triple s.... but I'm old and slow!
I have a Rieju 300 pro with 135 hours of hard use. It’s been a great bike side from the starting system.
I didn’t realize you’re only supposed to use it once the bike is warmed up…. I ride year round, and it gets pretty cold I winter time. That poor starter i would crank on in some cold temps! Can’t fault it!
I have a tm 250 en, wonderfull enduro bike and in my mad scientist shop l'm building a 2002 RM 125 with a gas gas 270 trials engine, looking forward to see the final result
How's this project coming along? Do you have a site where you're documenting the progress so we can follow? Best thing about the RM is the chassis.
Nice! Another option. One note. This ranger is supposed to have the same height as the 2019 and earlier Beta 250/300 rr. Not sure about 2020 250/300 rr Beta. I heard those might be a little a hair taller?
Boy those tracks look absolutely epic.
Very lucky, Harley... we get to ride on some amazing private properties!
The problem with the KTMs starter style was the quality of bushings used to bear the bendix. If the gasgas uses better bushings and the bushings hold, perhaps we can expect a more reliable starter system
gas gas seems to be doing a better job of the old style starter so far... we covered a lot of issues with the kato's dodgy design in this vid: ua-cam.com/video/Spj8_hyt1xg/v-deo.html
UPDATE #2: The overheating problem was fixed by removing the thermostat and adding a heat dissipator to the cooling circuit. Last weekend was a great ride, no problems, just enjoying the trail. :D Now I´m going to test a new radiator fan with a new electrical current rectifier and lithium battery and I hope all the problems are gone! The bike has now 32h on the hourmeter and 500 km.
Got the rieju Ranger and had no overheating
Hello! Wanted to ask:
1) From watching your reviews on Beta Xtrainer and GasGas Ranger and comparing what I hear, I cannot find a lot of features in which the Beta is better than the Ranger. If not considering the engine and speedometer problems you've mentioned on Beta, the other thing I understood is that it's suspension is noticeably limited for aggressive/fast riding, whereas Ranger's suspensions seems to be way more capable in stock setting (I wouldn't want to invest more money into suspension as it add to the total investment). Also, for typical sized man the Rangers seems to be closer in its dimensions to a full on enduro bike, with may be a good thing. Ranger doesn't seem to have any big issues as well (not too sure how much of an issue is that starter thing). Anyways, my question is - would you agree that if the price is the same at this point in time it seems to be a almost a no-brainer to choose the Rieju MR300 Ranger over Beta Xtrainer 300? If you don't agree, please, tell me why.
2) If we take either Xtrainer 300 or Ranger 300 and compare it to SWM RS300R, how would you describe the difference in ability of those bikes to handle "hard enduro" type of terrain? I'm asking because I'm getting into off-road riding and I'm looking for my first off-road bike, and I would want it to have as long of a lifespan as possible between rebuild, as well as long service intervals, and it would be perfect if I could occasionally ride it on road, but at the same time I want to ride off-road on weekends and I want to do cross training (trial skills), so was wondering - how much worse the SWM RS300R handles these types of situations (all these bikes cost almost the same here in Latvia, Europe).
3) I'm not too sure about that starter problem on GasGas Ranger, but I was wondering, if anything happens, can you still ride and start the bike with the kickstarter, which as I understand, comes as standard?
Thanks for shedding light on to this matter! Keep up the good vids!
Sorry Reinis, for a pile of reasons we never make personal bike recommendations. We'll share our opinions of what each bike is like, but everyone's own situation is so different I never even begin to advise anyone on what might suit them.
The SWM starter? It shouldn't lock the engine up and prevent kickstarting unless something very serious went wrong perhaps. I'm no mechanic so I don't really know.
@@crosstrainingenduro Thanks for answering. I probably didn't express myself correctly, sorry, I'll try to be more specific and I hope you can find time and choose to try and provide an answer one more time to the question.
What I was asking in terms of comparison between Ranger and Xtrainer was more your view, if you compare your experiences with those bikes as well as your reviews about them. Basically, for me, watching both those reviews it really kind of seemed like a no brainer that Ranger seems to be a better all around price/performance option compared to Xtrainer, without needing any upgrades in near future, and I was just wondering - am I missing something of what you've said that I'm probably making an incorrect assessment on this.
With regards to the RS300R question - the main thing I hoped you'd answer is about your capability on RS300R compared to Ranger/Xtrainer, that is - how much have you found the RS300R being a limitation or rather a challenge to ride in gnarly terrain compared to the Ranger/Xtrainer and would you say that you yourself can do "so much better" on Ranger/Xtrainer that RS300R is no comparison at all (way less capable or energy draining, or whatever)?
P.S. I know you've told on many videos that you'll not provide specific bike recommendations for people. Maybe I don't fully understand the scope of that disclaimer, but in this (updated) question what I'm really interested is in your own comparison and view, as if for yourself, how you see it (basically, the view you're probably sharing/discussing with your riding buddies - if you cannot share it publicly here I can understand that). I understand that this may still be "the same" thing regarding specific bike recommendations, and if so, I'm sorry for "wasting" your time with these questions, cause if I would've better understood the scope of it, I wouldn't have bothered asking these questions. Best of luck and thank you for always trying to answer all questions, that is indeed rare for such a high profile channel as you have!
You've typed so much now I feel I have to answer a bit, Reinis. lol Re: personal recommendations. There are so many factors. Your height. Your upper v lower body height ratio. Level of experience. How you ride. What's the terrain like. How much do you value resale when you sell, or parts cost and availability. I worked out once that if I was to give personal advice I'd want answers to at least 30 questions and I STILL wouldn't be happy answering until I'd actually seen the person riding as well. All I can say is personally I valued the lighter weight and much better grunt at low revs of the Beta Xtrainer. For my sort of riding this far outweighed the Ranger's better suspension. And this could easily be irrelevant to you.
The SWM? I would hate to ride that in slow technical tracks, for all the reasons listed in our 'four strokes for hard enduro?' video. And it's much heavier than their claimed weight too.
@@crosstrainingenduro Oh, thanks for answering, this was exactly the kind of answer I was hoping for, as it provides a little bit more comparative perspective than what one can have sitting at a computer watching the vids! Keep up the good work!
Hi! I´m going to switch from a Husky FE 250 2016 to a 300 2 stoke and the GG ranger should be my first choice. Any issues in a long therm test? Thanks and keep the good work! :D
already did a video about the long term issues, nuno
@@crosstrainingenduro Thanks, silly me! xD Just one more question before I commit my finances into this beautiful bike: how does the GG low grunt compare to a TPI one?
I would recommend redo this review with 2022 rieju models.. starter is now almost flawless and with right jetting the "big" models has so much or even more bottom grunt than beta...
Only time will tell if the starter is 'flawless'. Instead of a re-design they have just lubricated it. It's still an antiquated system that will cause more problems in the long run... hopefully they lube mod will defer it for longer than usual. More grunt? Unless there's been some kind of engine re-design I can't imagine the Rieju will be much different to before. I did chat with the national marketing guy a few times but he didn't seem interested in arranging bikes for review.
Plenty of rumours on Facebook about Gas Gas going broke as they restructure their workforce. The 2020 models are still on the way (Rangers are already being delivered. The latest update from Gas Gas head office is here: facebook.com/groups/200259146778248/permalink/1519758501494966/
And this was an earlier post from Gas Gas USA:
"I just wanted to let all of you know if you haven't heard already of an article released in Spain about the "closure" of the GasGas company. This story is filled with incorrect statements and half truths, it doesn't appear the USA is only country that likes fake news or news altered for an objective. There is a MAJOR restructuring going on in Spain that should have been accomplished well over 8 months ago, but with the politics between the two major shareholders, it hasn't gone quickly or smoothly. Black Toro Capital (60% investors) are looking for investors to purchase the Contreras shares in GasGas so they may split the two companies apart and during the intermediate future, they have had to do a temporary layoff. There are three investment candidates right now, and one has had 4 meetings already with a 5th meeting coming, so things are looking positive.
In Spain, if you want to restructure or eliminate/terminate employees it is NOT very easy at all. Each employee must be given a severance of 1 month plus for every year they have been employed with a company. When trying to reduce employee/overhead of at least 35 employee?s that are mostly from the Torrot side, but on the same payroll as GasGas, this is not an easy task, nor is it inexpensive. The other real option is to do a temporary layoff as they call it ?put to the fridge?. This way the government must step in and pay unemployment but it isn't anywhere close to the employee salaries, and the effect would hope to be that the employee goes looking for other work. You can now see why that story is so one sided and from the union leaders trying to make a social media outcry.
In the meantime, Black Toro Capital is continuing the needed restructure and to undo all of what the previous management had done. In the last three years, the old management went from 70 employees to 135 employees. Created a GasGas Sales office in Barcelona away from factory in Girona. Created a Torrot Sales office in Madrid. Created a Torrot Flagship store in Madrid. Hired a 3rd party warehouse for parts distribution in between Madrid and Barcelona. Started construction on a new factory for Torrot in Cadiz, Spain. Along with purchasing or acquiring SEVERAL other entities. All of these costly overheads that bring no return of investment are closing and all is going back to Girona. Thankfully! GasGas will become just GasGas again!
The aftermarket support team will still be operational the entire time, as are some of the other major support teams needed for everyday operation, which the story left out of course. Also, there is limited production still going on based on Torrot Muvi (scooter) orders and some limited production of 2020 trials in July. Product release is still set for the end of July, with our order period being in August.
Mark Berg COO Gas Gas
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The unions aren't happy about it of course. You can translate this page to see their response and get another side to the story: www.diaridegirona.cat/economia/2019/06/20/comite-torrot-gas-gas-tem/987668.html?fbclid=IwAR2CW-tiqUyHxtnXXBfdpdDMOqgkezZnCltljQgovX5oZHW54aHzXh7A3MU
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stfuliberal 11 hours ago
Only if I weighed 150lbs. lmao
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far out there is some crazy stuff going on over there thanks barry
would have been sad to see gasgas go by the wind
The Ranger cost roughly $1000 more than X-trainer. If you spend $1000 on Xtrainer suspension do you reckon you can get the same level of the Ranger?
i answered this in the vid, michele
Absolutely and my vote is with the Beta 200RR
@@crosstrainingenduro but did you spend $1000 for the revalve n' resprung?
Michele Vasta Hell Yeah! My Xtrainer has 45mm Marzocchi forks from a Beta 450.
I’ve never even had problems with the stock set up, but now it’s just perfect.
@@Pint76 Thanks, this is excatly what I was asking...so I guess this solution would bring your suspensions at the same level of a Ranger
What are those gloves? Looking quite stylish
How long before you get your greasy mitts on the new 2020 Beta Xtrainer?
I had a gasgas ec300 which was a wonderful and reliable bike really want to get back on a bike soon as marriage didn't approve with my riding and I miss it dearly
Have you heard of any problems with the EC 300? I know of someone that has had a few issues like rear brake line burst, split fuel hose and some other bits and pieces falling off.
all reported on in detail eddy, check out the link at the end
I was just looking at the new bikes from Beta and found a nice story about KTM purchasing a part of Gas Gas so that could explain the old KTM style starter... However I am looking into this bike as it has peaked my interest a lot as I am not a racer anymore and would love to have a nice lighter 2 stroke trail bike but I'm being caught between the new Beta 200 rr and a 300cc grouping of bikes. Looks like it's going to have to take a few visits to some shops to figure out what I like but luckily I have one shop that has 4 of the brands that I'm looking into so that could be a very good thing!
Howdy Barry, any update on how to get more low end grunt?
Unfortunately not, Val. I'm not sure if there's any magic cure or they just need to overhaul the design... the engine hasn't changed much for a long time. Maybe check the forums though?
Have you had a chance to ride the Beta rr 200? I am looking for my next bike, coming from a freeride 250r, and since I am quite a short rider the X-Trainer, the Ranger and the rr 200 are the bikes I am most interested in. Would be nice to get some Input from people who rode at least two of those for the sake of comparrision.
Ace Ventura The GasGas is a more durable/reliable bike. It also has better suspension. Great power curve.. I do not know why people buy Beta or KTM
Science Militia1 Gas Gas has had real trouble winning the Dakar, the Worlds premier endurance race. Perhaps that is why KTM is the fastest growing and most popular manufacturer in Off Road.
@@sciencemilitia1853 Hi, I am not looking for general brand advice, but for these specific models. And for your advice about KTM, in my opinion a good and capable local dealer is the best quality a motorcycle can have. Our local KTM dealer isn't.
Update #3 - 150 hours on the clock of my Ranger. I´m 1,82m and 95kg, I think this bike suits better a smaller guy because of the ride height, it´s too low for me even with every possible bit of suspension raising. Maybe i´ll try some aftermarket lower pegs. Added a radiator fan, it´s a must have, like all bikes that do hard enduro. No troubles since my last update apart from the f#"$%$ electric starter... The bike is serviced every 30h so it´s a design flaw in the bike. I quit dealing with this stupid flaw so i´m getting a kickstarter installed. The Rieju Ranger already brings the kickstarter so i would still consider that bike over the x trainer. Cheers!
I"m quite a bit taller than you Nuno, I would definitely do bar risers and lower pegs for this bike.
Hi Barry, its not a Nissin brake, its a Braketec/AJP system ;-) Cheers Steve
Good review. Western Oregon is muddy 7 months a year. 65 years old, and having a hard time with the taller bikes. Electric start is in my near future. Had it on KTM350XC, but that bike sucked in tight conditions.
Beta Xtrainer might be worth looking at too... I think Rieju will continue this Ranger model in its lineup.
Great review Man, I reckon this bike would suit My riding in The slow gnarly stuff.
I always find it interesting that when I'm riding the dust bowl trails in California it is the same time you're riding in lush, wet forests. Simple things for simple minds I guess:)
Mate the irony is there are also people in Australia also riding in dust bowls -- half the country is usually in drought, half in flood and half in bush fires.
Is the Ranger or the Beta xtrainer the better bike?
This depends on at least 20 different criteria. Impossible to say.
Looking at the spectrum shown at 0:17 , looks like the Ranger would fit in right atop the XTrainer.
I hope you get your hands on an Ossa Explorer. Curious about how bikes at the trials end of the hybrid spectrum rides like.
i'd agree, rajkiran. i think the ranger would slot nicely between the xtrainer and the enduro bikes. the ossa explorer is essentially a trials bike so ride one of those, you'll know what the explorer is like. 😊
Will you guys review the exc150 tpi when it comes out?
no, small engines like that would be terrible for our sort of riding
We really are spoilt for choice these days, great vid as always 👍
Thanks!
Try the 2020 Sherco!!! Awesome package!!
If only the x ride was released here...
The KYB suspension I think has sold me on one of these over the XTrainer.
Might be worth getting a test ride, Rob. It's cheap KYB so doesn't behave like the best tuned version, the KYB SSS on the Yamahas... But I'm pretty sure you'll find it's more dirt-worthy than the Xtrainer which has a very strong trials influence.
@@crosstrainingenduro they are not here yet. Sounds like they are in the new year. But KYB sounds better to me over a brand I have not heard of.
Depending th e sort of riding you do, it could well be
Did you guys ever test/ride/review the Freeride 250R?
we kind of did an unofficial review in a supporters vid a few years back, bruce.
I love that Rieju took the terrific gasgas bikes over, but their pricing seems extremely optimistic. Here in Canada, their $8500 euro pricing puts the bike higher than every other manufacturer ($12,675 CAD EXCLUDING tax and importation fees etc).................
It's a real shame, Jeff. The pricing here just puts it on par with Beta and Sherco unfortunately. They should be priced at least $1500 cheaper and only bring the price up once they've brought it up to spec with the other bikes... ditch the primitive starter motor design, get some proper grunt at low revs, and make the bikes lighter.
Looks like a propper extreme enduro racer , the discipline is really taking off here in the US.
for us dirt muppets? i reckon so, mark. but the best riders would still be better off on the full enduro models as they can use all the extra power and stiffness of the enduro suspension.
@@crosstrainingenduro yeah, for us on the short side , aging, every other weekend if we are lucky kdx loving riders. Lol
Luckily in Spain they are not expensive I think I will buy one in the near future
Yesh, wish my YZ250 was this tame, or rather, easy to ride... anyone have some verified recommendations? I hear a lot of subjective things, but very few people have done it and really seem to know.
we did a whole series on that dave.... ua-cam.com/play/PLlur54ugvzNIqCjFHT0oBs6d5fuuKN50n.html
I was having a conversation about this bike yesterday.
The difference between the Ranger and the EC300 is minimal and the EC300 is able to be dialled down to produce a more linear output.
The service life is better than most other smokers at 70hrs inspection and 100hrs top-end rebuild and I have heard reports that some riders are out to 120hrs. A Kato/Husky is 40hrs before a rebuild.
Trying to get hold of a demo bike is proving to be difficult though. Something that Sherco do really well.
not sure about those rebuild times, michael. the 40 hours for kato/husky would probably be the factory recommendation for race bikes or aggressive riding, most manufacturers have similar figures for that. for us everyday hacks, 100 hours is easily obtainable on all the current two strokes... this isn't a public recommendation but i know plenty of guys do top ends between 150 and 200 hours on various brands with no problems because they don't ride hard and maintain them well.
40 hours before a KTM/Husky 2-stroke needs a rebuild? most owners do top ends at 120-160 hours & a full rebuild at maybe 3-400. but I've heard of KTM/Huskys going well over both of those numbers.
My 17’ 250xc manual says top end and bottom end bearings at 100 hours. I have 145 hours on the stock top and bottom.
yep my 14 TE300 hasn't had a rebuild from stock 160hours and still going fine.
200-300 hours on a KTM/ Husky 2T top end is common in recreational use here in the Pacific Northwest.
for the 2021 models are Husqvarna in red isn't it? :-)
I don't know Mark, I never really look at the new models for each brand
That ktm starter set up spoiled that GG for me.
Hermit mindset enlightment If the starter system is inspected every 6 months problems will be averted. It’s a bummer and an inherent flaw, but I find taking off the ignition cover every 6 months to be reasonable... considering how tightly wound up these bikes are, giving things regular lookovers is kind of justified.
I have freeride 250r so I have the worst experience on that starter because there is no kick start. Now I'm fitting one and taking that shitty starter off. Might lose some kg's in the process too.
you can remove e start and fit a kickstarter.
Is it road legal like Beta Xtrainer?
there are dealers in several dozen countries and i can't list the road legal status of the ranger in each country, i'd suggest asking your local dealer.
I got myself the full enduro version ec300 a few months back and now have about 25hrs in it. I love the bike and the suspension. The jetting was waaay too rich out of the box for me here in south east Queensland so spent a bit of time working through that and it runs really nicely now. I think it has the same tyres as the ranger too and I was thinking how good they are without the tubliss. I’m definitely no expert though as have only been properly enduro style riding for the last year and a bit. Ranger sounds awesome and considerably less money. I look forward to hopefully riding one so I can compare...
i ran the same michelins on my beta a few years back and with the TUbliss i found them fine, even in mud. i only ran about 2PSI so i think the carcass flexed enough so mud wouldn't stick between the knobs.
Man you have to stop with these videos. Your really selling me on these bikes and I can't afford them.
well that's a really good point. we are strong believers in loving the one you are with and focusing more on rider skill than thinking a new bike will make you a brilliant rider... we don't do a lot of reviews for that reason. AND because we are so unqualified to do reviews too. 😂
Sounds as though GG has missed the mark (yet again, continuously) with poor starter, a place where Beta has always stomped them all. But Beta really, really needs to get onboard with a better suspension package. Pretty sad when a reworked suspension isn't as good as what comes stock on everyone else's offering. All in all, great to see competition within classes.
agreed, in the early days a major plus with beta two strokes was the much better e-start until KTM finally lifted their game a few years back. and even though sherco had the right design i think they were having bendix issues, at least in the early years. hopefully gas gas will eventually redesign this part of the two strokes but it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me... the wet mod makes a big difference and at least fixing anything is very simple with that easy access. but man it's ugly lol.
Only drawback to the starter placement on the Beta is just wait until the starter fails. It happened on my 15 300 Race Edtion and it's expensive to replace because the engine has to be removed from the chassis. Then the new starter is very expensive. Total cost is just under $700.00 parts and labor..!!
ouch. i did hear one mechanic managed to do it with the engine in place but did swivel the engine within the frame to get the necessary space. very tight though...
Sounds like a nice rig.
What is the wet mod?
lmgtfy.com/?q=starter+motor+wet+mod
Beta than a _Beta_ ?
hard to say bill. as per the vid, i suspect for many it would be better asthe suspension is light years ahead of the xtrainer. it doesn't feel skittish at speed like the xtrainer. but then if you are seriously into the snotty terrain the xtrainer is a bit lighter and has more punch at low revs....
Gas Gas marca Española y Catalana. Una Gran Marca y Mejor Moto
Lol now is KTM the boss, because KTM is now the majority shareholder...
KTM is the majority shareholder
UPDATE: Bought one 3 months ago. The bike is great to ride, perfect to the weekend rider. BUT....5 times I ride the bike, 3 times with issues.. It has been a nightmare, to be honest. Gasgas dealer had tried to help but it´s too many problems for a new bike...
What sort of problems, Nuno? And which Gas Gas model and year? It could be useful for others thinking of buying a Gas Gas.
@@crosstrainingenduroI´ve bought a 2020 Gas Gas EC 300 Ranger. First and second ride (4 hours each) i´ve noticed the bike a litle bit hot with some coolant pouring out of the hose in a slow technical trail, but i thought it could be normal since the bike didn´t come with radiator fan (should buy one in next couple of months). Next ride, a full day intermediate trail, the refrigeration problem continued AND the starter sometimes didn´t work. Without a kickstarter, my day was awfull. Took it to the dealer, the radiator cap was replaced and the starter problem fixed with some lubrification (I think). Next ride, another full day intermediate trail, same two problems AGAIN...and the water pump seal was passing water to the clutch oil... To the dealer again, water pump seal replaced, starter fixed (the inside of the aluminium black cap in the left side of the motor below the starter had to be drilled and placed a bronze ring so the shaft of the starter doesn´t lock up), refrigeration problem treated with diferent radiator coolant. My pacience was running out fast.... Last ride, it was suposed to be a full day of riding. Starts with a dead battery (replaced by a friend´s AJP), and in a slow technical trail the bike starts to boil, and the thermostat cracks, ending my day in a cloud of cooling vapor. :( So, I´m not very happy with the reliability of this bike.
first, 2nd post will be two months from now :)
Awesome, thank you for this, I love the idea of these hybrid bikes!
Didn't gas gas just go under?
no, everyone's peddling these rumours lol
@@crosstrainingenduro ahh OK. That's great to hear they're still operating
statement from Gas Gas: www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showpost.php?p=190634&postcount=8
I’m glad they didn’t make Beta’s same stupid decision on suspension. I’d own an xtrainer if the Dingbats at beta didn’t put crap suspension on it. I’m praying for 2020 the xtrainer fixes its suspension problem. Otherwise, maybe I’ll look at the ranger.
two ways of looking at it though cannon. the local suspension crew put the xtrainer on the dyno and said it is sprung and valved with semi-trials specs, and that's what the bike is designed for. but of course many of us want the light weight of the xtrainer but then want to ride it more like a normal enduro bike so of course then the suspension doesn't suit. the ranger is probably a better option then.
Thanks for the reply. You make sense for sure. I just love beta and have a great local dealer, so I’ll probably either adapt an xtrainer or lower a 300rr. But I’ve been riding trials since young, so maybe the xtrainer suspension will make me feel at home:)
Seems like this might be a good bike for a well "seasoned " rider who's body is still pissed at him for the abuse it's endured. 🤔
Does anyone ride VOR’s in Oz ?
i know two guys with VORs
Has anyone ridden the 200 ranger?
Nice vid, but I stay with Beta :-)
but isn't gasgas dead in the water again and have stopped manufacturing ????
yes and no. they've stopped production for six months to restructure their workforce. but no they haven't gone broke. here's a statement from the CEO of Gas Gas: www.gasgasrider.org/forum/showpost.php?p=190634&postcount=8
Better off with a TPI for 1500 more..
What a cool machine.
Now THAT'S a bike I can eat some shit on!
Crappy old ktm starter is a deal breaker, especially since there's no kicker.
Why is it that manufacturers go all this distance and completely fall flat on their face on the last mile.
Same with the junk suspension on the xtrainer.
Just boggles my mind.
BoOopP boOopP....
I have a dog
Red pubic dog,I guess.
No kickstart *sigh* ... otherwise looks pretty good!
it's certainly an encouragement to keep that old style starter well maintained lol. the rest of the enduro range still has kickstarts but i wonder for how long as i think all the other brands have now ditched them to save weight and make a bit more money.
RIP GasGas, factory is off for 6 months 😫
No, it's not. Please don't spread misinformation. They've reduced hours and plan to eliminate some workers. That's it.
@@WildAzzRacing Keep cool, I am a GasGas owner 😁 They are producing previous orders, it's not totally off but you can't say that GasGas is in good health !
@@Amateurs2Roues Yes, but what you said was not correct, GG owner or not. False rumors hurt companies chances so please make sure your information is correct before posting it up.
yes it's been a pity to see rumors flying around on facebook because guys have started their posts with terms like 'looks like gas gas is going broke again'. and then when they are corrected they don't amend their original post so the rumors just keep going. 😢
@@crosstrainingenduro doesnt help that too many people believe everything they skim over on the net, haha.
Riding may be fine. But it looks cheap cosmetically. Long term use may prove the same mechanically.
$1000 more than the Beta.
not sure about international prices, but i think that's the price difference in australia at least. the 2019 models haven't sold well here so there are big discounts to try and move them before 2020.