First, I always appreciate the ethos of the common magician and the pragmatic approach taken in all your material. I love your take on the Erdnase false deals in general. They're definitely the most practical, and probably the easiest to acquire to an acceptably fooling level. We take different approaches to the ACAAN you demonstrated. I tend to favor consecutive bottom deals up to the target number, allowing the important final card to be dealt honestly, but to each his own especially given that both approaches work. I can tentatively second deal, but generally find that I don't need to. However, I love your approach of treating a one off second like a double lift. Have you considered adding the Erdnase one handed bottom deal to your repertoire? It's almost easier than the two hand variant, and is completely disarming as no one expects a one handed false deal is even possible in the first place. Now, because I'm a nerd and a total move monkey, I have to completely step away from the ethos of the common magician and ask have you've looked at the material from Marlo, Darwin Ortiz, and Arthur Buckley on the bottom deal? Each of them have a different take and solve the problems presented by bottom dealing in different ways. Hugard also covers a strike bottom from mechanics grip in Expert Card Technique, but I find I have the same issues with strike false deals that you do, so we can leave that one aside. Buckley and Ortiz share similar ideas, and Marlo takes an approach that approximates how I normally handle cards. Marlo's analysis of false dealing is comprehensive, bordering on obsessive, if you look at Revolutionary Card Technique. Buckley spends maybe 3 pages on false deals in Card Control, and I've only seen a little bit of Darwin Ortiz's work on the subject from his book At the Card Table, but he was Jason Ladanye's mentor, so Ortiz's work speaks for itself.
Okeefs is great! I had purchased Jason Englands download on the bottom deal years ago and it’s what he uses also. Your bottom deal has a good rhythm to it, I feel like that’s what matters the most. The rhythm was the hardest part for me
This is fine video as for the strike deal from erdnase I’m pretty sure works fine considering Gene Maze wrote a great book on the strike bottom from erdnase grip
I see ya know but one of the biggest problems I ve found with the strike is how you see the bottom card come from the bottom in other words it’s really hard to get it to to look right but it is a fun deal so I’m torn between Jason Ladanye version of this deal and the push off bottom that Richard turner uses
@MagicJames58 Yeah, I still prefer the classic Erdnase push and say to heck with the knuckle 'flash' that only matters to magicians that know the deal.
Yes and know I think it matters to any one with knowledge of that kind of card artifice I will say at first I did not recognize it but when I started practicing more and more I realized it more and more
Your bottom deal is really good and natural looking, regardless of the naysayers. We're not typically performing for crowds filled with Jamy Ian Swisses, Penn and Tellers, and David Blaines.. we're performing for ordinary people who aren't familiar with advanced card mechanics and sleights. They're not looking for bottom deals, second deals, double lifts, passes, spread culls, false shuffles. The majority of lay people don't know what any of that shit even is or what it means lol. Any any 1 in a thousand person who DOES happen to know about those things.. if he/she respects the art at all, and respects the concept of keeping card magic techniques secret.. then they are not going to be a dick and blurt out "He's bottom dealing!".. and even on the off chance that would happen, then the rest of the spectators would just think that person was a douche wagon anyway lol. So there's no point in anyone worrying about any of these things. If magicians want to use these techniques, practice to where you can do the mechanics of the move with your eyes closed, without thinking, and without rushing. The more important thing though is being proficient at being able to read the room. If you sense that the spectators are going to bust your balls and simply try to "expose the trick" and ruin the experience for anyone else there, then simply don't perform for that crowd. You're under no obligation to be a performing seal for anyone. Save the art for people who appreciate it, as well as what goes into creating those unexplainable occurrences that they'll likely remember for test of their lives. Sorry for the Ted Talk lol.
Thank you and I agree completely with all of your points.
First, I always appreciate the ethos of the common magician and the pragmatic approach taken in all your material. I love your take on the Erdnase false deals in general. They're definitely the most practical, and probably the easiest to acquire to an acceptably fooling level. We take different approaches to the ACAAN you demonstrated. I tend to favor consecutive bottom deals up to the target number, allowing the important final card to be dealt honestly, but to each his own especially given that both approaches work. I can tentatively second deal, but generally find that I don't need to. However, I love your approach of treating a one off second like a double lift. Have you considered adding the Erdnase one handed bottom deal to your repertoire? It's almost easier than the two hand variant, and is completely disarming as no one expects a one handed false deal is even possible in the first place.
Now, because I'm a nerd and a total move monkey, I have to completely step away from the ethos of the common magician and ask have you've looked at the material from Marlo, Darwin Ortiz, and Arthur Buckley on the bottom deal? Each of them have a different take and solve the problems presented by bottom dealing in different ways. Hugard also covers a strike bottom from mechanics grip in Expert Card Technique, but I find I have the same issues with strike false deals that you do, so we can leave that one aside. Buckley and Ortiz share similar ideas, and Marlo takes an approach that approximates how I normally handle cards. Marlo's analysis of false dealing is comprehensive, bordering on obsessive, if you look at Revolutionary Card Technique. Buckley spends maybe 3 pages on false deals in Card Control, and I've only seen a little bit of Darwin Ortiz's work on the subject from his book At the Card Table, but he was Jason Ladanye's mentor, so Ortiz's work speaks for itself.
Okeefs is great! I had purchased Jason Englands download on the bottom deal years ago and it’s what he uses also. Your bottom deal has a good rhythm to it, I feel like that’s what matters the most. The rhythm was the hardest part for me
Couldn’t have said it better myself, great vid Carl!
Next you could "Bottoms Up on the Double Lift" 😜
Sounds like a double backer, double turnover discussion.
This is fine video as for the strike deal from erdnase I’m pretty sure works fine considering Gene Maze wrote a great book on the strike bottom from erdnase grip
Yeah, I got there pretty quickly:
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I see ya know but one of the biggest problems I ve found with the strike is how you see the bottom card come from the bottom in other words it’s really hard to get it to to look right but it is a fun deal so I’m torn between Jason Ladanye version of this deal and the push off bottom that Richard turner uses
@MagicJames58 Yeah, I still prefer the classic Erdnase push and say to heck with the knuckle 'flash' that only matters to magicians that know the deal.
Yes and know I think it matters to any one with knowledge of that kind of card artifice I will say at first I did not recognize it but when I started practicing more and more I realized it more and more
Your bottom deal is really good and natural looking, regardless of the naysayers. We're not typically performing for crowds filled with Jamy Ian Swisses, Penn and Tellers, and David Blaines.. we're performing for ordinary people who aren't familiar with advanced card mechanics and sleights. They're not looking for bottom deals, second deals, double lifts, passes, spread culls, false shuffles. The majority of lay people don't know what any of that shit even is or what it means lol. Any any 1 in a thousand person who DOES happen to know about those things.. if he/she respects the art at all, and respects the concept of keeping card magic techniques secret.. then they are not going to be a dick and blurt out "He's bottom dealing!".. and even on the off chance that would happen, then the rest of the spectators would just think that person was a douche wagon anyway lol. So there's no point in anyone worrying about any of these things. If magicians want to use these techniques, practice to where you can do the mechanics of the move with your eyes closed, without thinking, and without rushing. The more important thing though is being proficient at being able to read the room. If you sense that the spectators are going to bust your balls and simply try to "expose the trick" and ruin the experience for anyone else there, then simply don't perform for that crowd. You're under no obligation to be a performing seal for anyone. Save the art for people who appreciate it, as well as what goes into creating those unexplainable occurrences that they'll likely remember for test of their lives. Sorry for the Ted Talk lol.