@@Legba85 i mean Jhon is right on this one, if u disrespect the wife u disrespect the man. fak the money, ralph aint jesus u can get another guy to do what he does. Carmine faked up
Carmine is the only real boss in the history of the show. Totally unemotional, all about what's best for business, while John (and Tony in other situations) act like pissed off teenagers that make business decisions based on emotion. Carmine is levels above both of them.
@@josephclarke557because he lied to Paulie about Carmine knowing him, when Paulie was considering joining the NY family. He was using Paulie for info and Paulie got nothing out of the deal, but high hopes.
Also it wouldn't be helpful for Johnny if he wants to get cozy with another Jersey mobster. Not only would Tony be watching like a hawk, the potential moles would know Johnny isn't going to keep them safe.
I think he also just doesn't really care to make small-talk with the has-been ex-boss of the glorified crew from Jersey. Wants to get to the fuckin point of the whole meeting
The way Tony turned it all back on Johnny by making him reveal his source was a masterstroke in negotiation. And he had every right to play that card. The beauty is,Tony is covering up for Ralph because he was right there laughing at the joke. So it's his ass out there on the line as well. But he knows Johnny can't play his Ace card. Brilliant writing!
@@gonesville6873 But he then adds his own joke when they are making fun of her again. "When she hauls ass, she's gotta make 2 trips." Or something like that. :D
Was John unable to mention he was talking to Paulie at all? Would that have been viewed as a violation to Carmine and Tony? Even if he presented as if they were casually talking?
Man it’s really easy to see how everything goes to shit when Carmine dies. He’s clearly got the respect of everyone, the second that’s gone they (New Jersey and New York) immediately start killing each other over anything.
Yep I compared him to Marcus Aurelius in Roman history. He was considered one of the last Caesar’s to rule in peace and unity. After his death there was infighting, corruption and eventual collapse. Carmine was Marcus Aurelius for the family. He brought stability and a level head and his death brought needless bloodshed and war.
I noticed that too. He was mostly a business man, cultured with manners. He loved his Jenny. If we could somehow place her at the Ukraine/Russia border, she would tilt Ukraine so that Russian troops would fall back into Russia.
@@tjanderson5892 In the first season when jr had a failed hit on Tony and they started taking out jr's crew they were planning on hitting junior too until he got arrested.
All about appearances and to not draw attention.. old school way of thinking.. you got a big ass house and ur a consultant in a garbage company, puts you in the cross hairs of the irs/feds
Tony usually is impulsive and insecure but in this scene he held his own and showed true leadership here. He could figure out Johns game, and you can see the fear in his eyes when he says “Alright fine, YOU tell me who said it we’ll bring him in hea.”
Every time I see Carmine on this show, he reminds me of being perhaps the only character on this show that could have been a mob boss during the Godfather era. Everyone else is Goodfellas, but Carmine is cut from a different cloth. His one that one boss you could not help but respect. Even when he was causing you grief.
He was the most practical because he'd seen the most and dealt with the most, but the biggest factor I think was beating his RICO trial. Thats a LOT of money to do that and at this point in his life he just wanted money to flow.
He pretty much *won* the sit down with that. What he suggested was reasonable and would solve all the problems at issue. Carmine knew it too, thats why he looked at Johnny. Johnny was screwed at that point. Rat out Pauly and admit to sticking your nose right in NJs business, or deal with it and STFU.
@@HighLordBlazeReborn I agree, Tony knew Johnny very well and knew he would never give up his source. He certainly wouldn't have shed any tears for Ralph but I don't think he wanted him dead at that point, Ralph was the best earner he had. Ralph sure had a way with people, though. I wonder if he had any idea how close he had come to getting whacked and on how many occasions, before he finally did push things too far.
Junior’s recommendation at the end was actually quite good. It would have hurt Ralph financially, but avoid the unseemliness of “naming a price” for his wife’s honour. Too bad Johnny walked out before hearing it.
@@SangreFriasBack Some people are better at being no.2 Silvio and Junior both have status but also a lack of charisma and authority. They're weirdos, even by mob standards. Tony basically treated his uncle like a windshield and the less said about Silvio's brief run the better
He was the only boss in the show who was competent. Tony was a headcase and tolerated too much bullshit from his men, Johnny was too emotional, the Shah of Iran was too stubborn and hotheaded. Carmine was always cool, calculatuing and thinking three steps ahead.
@@mastod0n1 Not a continuity error. It shows you how bad of a chain smoker he is, foreshadowing his cancer. But DAYUM does he look cool while doing it.
@@Mr._X84 i don’t think so. Lol I’m pretty sure he got dressed up specifically for his meeting of the bosses. He was getting cabin fever being on house arrest during his trial and started lookin forward to literally anything and everything to get through his dayd
@@hizkealbishaw3487 maybe but it would go both ways at that point. I wouldn’t even be surprised if John spilled the beans on paulie here that Carmine says to Tony “okay let’s just whack John and paulie and call it a day.” That’s probably the most likely thing to happen. And Tony would 100% agree on that because John is or can be unreasonable and paulie talks too much.
Johnny Sac knew he was stuck in between a rock (Carmine) and a hard place (Tony). Johnny couldn't give up Paulie because Paulie was feeding him too much valuable information and Paulie would probably be murdered by the Sopranos for talking family business. Tony knew he could press John as much as he wanted because Johnny didn't have a leg to stand on. Amazing writing, they thought of everything.
Bobby was the only decent one out of everyone that didn’t have an attitude and did what he was told. Fucking shame he got killed off. Would’ve preferred him over paulie to be standing last at the end
proves that, despite being exceptionally clever in some cases, Junior has no idea just how out-of-the-loop he really is. Well, at least until he gives up and takes his meds in season 6
I mean John is being unreasonable. You can't just clip somebody over hearsay. If you could then everybody would do it. I know Ralph did say it, but John didn't actually hear it.
I mean Tony’s right, the beef is really more in Tony’s corner considering Paulie (or in their eyes “somebody”) talking the way they are could mean bigger issues in regards to the feds. If they’re this loose lipped about a joke what are they liable to say when and if feds get ahold of him?
@@sergiomendoza4850 How is that John's problem? Tony has the rat in his family not John, John didn't ask for this information he was given it for free, so to catch the rat, you want ME to rat in front of my boss? That's the checkmate, Tony was not correct, he won this whole ordeal with a single sentence.
It was because Paulie was in prison at the time and only Heard about it from his nephew. Jonny sac knew if he named Paulie then they can say he wasn't at the dinner.
@@andrewbecker9062 I’m making point here... you gotta take traffic into account... now the other thing, apologize for what you said.... eating ice cream like some fucking king??
"If this were years ago, would I even have had to ask?" *To kill a made guy in another family because you heard a rumor? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you would have had to ask.*
@9SecondStreetMustang I came here from that video with Michael Franzese. Michael said that the cell would still be tapped. So the feds would still be able to listen in. He also said that 'allegedly' was the keyword to say, "Yeah, this is just a waste of all our time. Good day."
As an ex-smoker of cigarettes, I'm after many years finally free from phantom smells of cigarette smoke from watching people smoke in tv-shows and movies. Except for this scene, this scene fills my home with smoke.
Geez man after I stopped I understood why other people get disgusted because I get disgusted too and cannot believe I used to smoke... I look down on smokers now! What a hypocrite I am
I need to quit. I quit drinking 2 years ago, and the amount of money I save every weekend is amazing. If I can successfully quit smoking, I'll be golden.
Carmine has perfect poker face. And in real life, if anybody throws a temper tantrum about what a boss says and storms off like a 12-year-old girl, they tend to disappear.
Paulie was the luckiest guy in the world throughout the series. It is not so apparent the first time watching through, but when you sit back and look at all the various scenarios where he could've been killed - often due to his own ineptitude or poor choices - wow, man.
Taking his leave as soon as it was set up. I'm surprised Jr. wasn't very suspicious (even though we know Bobbi). I'm reminded of "Paulie" in the Godfather. His taking the day off was all it took for him to die over the steering wheel out in the country. We know why, but why wasn't Bobbi looked at similarly - especially when multiple high level targets were gathered in the same place.
@@dj3114 because there was zero implication that anyone wanted jr dead he was only boss by title. And the character bobby was the least violent of all the gangsters
@Hyper jones So was Paulie. Low level people can be more easily influenced. I'm not saying that Jr. would be suspicious, but I'm just commenting that Jr. was surprised he wasn't going to be there, even though I'm sure he had been told. Just making a comparison between the two that had different outcomes.
@@dj3114 I feel like the logic here the less people talking about a potential hit the better. Bobby was keeping himself out of the know on purpose here.
Ralph and Johnny really foreshowed the war between the families. It was mainly the quick temper of Johnny that started the war, and it’s shown here that Johnny wanted to whack the CAPTAIN of another family all because of a joke. Hell, even Carmine thought it was crazy and put a hit on Johnny.
There was always tension under the surface. Tony resented he needed to kick up money to NY even though he was boss of his “glorified crew”, and they in turn have little respect for NJ only letting them conduct business cuz it filled their pockets.
You know this scene is deeper than I thought. I just noticed something, out of watching this scene so many times. Carmine disrespected John here big time, and tony knew it also. He shut john down but also insulted him in front of another family. I think this may be one of the reasons John wanted to trade on him.
How did he disrespect him? I'm not saying he definatly didn't, but at some point a boss has to say "cut it out" if someone of his family is unreasonable, even if it's infront of others. But yeah, this def factored into Johns decision to have Carmine whacked.
Carmine was justified in doing that, his underboss is acting like a pissed off teenager in front of the boss of another family, and he wants to whack one of the mobs best earners all over a stupid fat joke, so he has to put him in his place
I just realized the only reason that Johnny made even more fuss is because Paulie being a rat to Johnny was way too valuable in the past so he elected not to have a huge asset killed.
Tony knew it was Paulie too, but he didn't KNOW it was Paulie. If he had proof, Paulie would have been keeping Big Pussy company. He very nearly ended up that way as it was.
@@brucetucker4847 don’t know if Tony would of necessarily killed him, it would of cost Pauli’s a lot though. He wasn’t a big earner like the others, a gangster more than businessman like Vito and Ralph
@@tapset He may have been on trial, but he was definitely dressed for the sitdown. Junior was a peacock and supposedly old school. This was a brief return to normalcy for him lol
The scene after John stares at Carmine where it’s silent and Tony looks down is f’n superb, brilliant acting - Tony was taken back and embarrassed for John after getting told off in front of everyone
I'm no expert at the series but it strikes me as John still playing the long con here. Paulie was formidable in many ways, but he wasn't necessarily the brightest. He was being played like a fiddle by John, and John saw him as a long-term asset.
“Who’s that, Tony?” It’s very telling that Junior’s opening contribution to the sit-down was a question of utter confusion. Afterward, he goes on to continue asking questions, most of them obvious. He is completely out of touch with all family business.
You say that, but he was right to ask how Sack knew about it if he wasn't there and was 100% correct in his conclusion that Tony was correct. Honestly, Junior was the best reader of people on the cast. (So long as a beautiful woman wasn't in the room.)
@@Delightfully_Witchy oh no doubt, you make a good point. Junior, up to a specific point before the dementia really settled in, continued to have genuine intuitive moments where he read a person or a situation perfectly (warning Richie about Janice’s true nature)…. but those moments were typically undercut with instances of him being a squirrelly old loon who gets his hand trapped in sinks for hours. After those embarrassing moments, whatever influence he had as a “semi-retired” don was essentially undermined. The way this scene ends also perfectly exemplifies that.
Carmine was a great Boss. There is no way he was going to order Ralphie clipped over an off color remark. Also, Johnny Sac lost the argument the minute he said "alleged" & then refused to name the witness who told him about the remark. Tony made a good point bringing up that fact. Carmine ruled the correct way. Ralphie was LUCKY Carmine was the Boss at that time.
Carmine was Alexander the Great compared to the stooges that followed, John, Phil, and even Butchie or whoever took the spot after Phil got his head squished.
Well that's because in real life the mafia refers to made men as "friends of ours." It's how introductions were made without having to come right out and say that you're in the mob. The Sopranos writers didn't invent it.
Small detail, but when Johnny says ‘put Pontecorvo on it,’ that would’ve maybe changed everything for Eugene. Instead his story plays out as one of the saddest on the show.
He still would have been stuck between the feds and the family, wouldn't he? Money wasn't his problem, he had that big inheritance, he just wanted out of the life.
@@brucetucker4847 but once he found out he couldn’t leave he wanted to make captain. Remember he said he was going to buy a new car to raise his profile.
Brilliant writing @ 1:51, when Tony proposes Johnny Sac give up his source (paulie), in exchange he can have Ralph: Johnny Sac looks over at Carmine, and Carmine is saying hell no dont give up our source in his crew, because we make a lot of money from Paulie's big mouth, and lastly they cut to Sil noticing this between Carmine and Johnny.
All jokes aside Carmine really showed his mettle and intelligence on this one. That stare down at the end before John got up and walked off... Oooo marone! IMO Carmine was the only real gangster on the entire show.
James Gandolfini said it in an interview with 60 minutes. The writing on this show was simply incredible. Too bad they killed Carmine off as well, he was excellent.
Funny how confident and cool Junior is talking to Carmine. Like even at the start asking Bobby where he is going. Tony and Johnny Sack always were a little more cautious or respectful. Junior too cool for that.
Dominic Chianese is a fucking master. Before the Sopranos he was living above a gas station sleeping on a lazy boy recliner. How in the world...Best actor in this entire series, hands down.
“I’ll give you Ralph on a platter.”
I wasn't to worried for Paulie because Carmine would have protected him. He thinks the world of him!
😂
Hahahah underrated comment
He asks about him
Your father got run over by a trolley right??
He wants paulie to switch families Asap
"Either name a price or get the fuck over it."
Carmine just bleeding boss energy.
His daughter is coming with the baby, no time for this
One of the best line readings of the show
wats wrawng cahmine ya barely touched ya egg salad
“It’s settled John! Now u either name a price or get tf over it” Carmine was even sick of John crying lol I love it 😂
That was also the cold fact John had to whack Carmine because of his “shit decisions.”
There were millions of dollars at stake
@MickeyMantle7 yeah again with the money now either name ya number of likes or get the fuck out of UA-cam.
@@Legba85 i mean Jhon is right on this one, if u disrespect the wife u disrespect the man. fak the money, ralph aint jesus u can get another guy to do what he does. Carmine faked up
@@brettpilkington9539 ralph only one who can run esplande put parte corvo over there
Carmine is the only real boss in the history of the show. Totally unemotional, all about what's best for business, while John (and Tony in other situations) act like pissed off teenagers that make business decisions based on emotion. Carmine is levels above both of them.
Tony was way to emotional. That’s why i love Avon on the wire he is a leader up there with carmine
Again with the money!
I like the idea of someone sticking up for his wife though. Ralphie would've ate cheese bullets if it were me.
@@tomace4898 Yeah, again with the money!
Johnny was a good boss until the whole 95 pound mole thing.
The Taliban AND The Sopranos are back this year. Must be a prophecy.. Quasimoto
Back this year? Oh you mean the movie
I hear Notre Dames got a good halfback this year lol
@@jimmydean2490 I thought he was a hunchback
Who did wat?!?
That was Notre Damus.
"It's settled John, so either name a price or get the f**k over it!"
-Carmine
“I ain’t sayin’ nothin’”
-Johnny tightlips
@@chasemcpot7789 "ok I'll call you"
-Carmine 'Fishlips' Lupertazzi
“Suck a lemon”
- also Johnny Tightlips
Thanks for putting “-carmine” at the end of it, we had no idea who said it
A Don doesn't wear shorts...Tony could've got taxed for that.
“Yeah, again with the money.” Character defining line.
mafia defining line.
Life defining line.
Line defining line.
Line defiling life.
Line line line.
He kept Paulie safe because he still wanted him for info.
Brilliant
Well, that and being a known rat would've followed him for the rest of his life and nobody would've trusted him.
Not brilliant. Johnny Sack went from 100% having Paulie’s back at the expense of his wife’s honor to completely screwing him over not long after.
@@machotorres856how did Johnny screw him over??
@@josephclarke557because he lied to Paulie about Carmine knowing him, when Paulie was considering joining the NY family. He was using Paulie for info and Paulie got nothing out of the deal, but high hopes.
Also it wouldn't be helpful for Johnny if he wants to get cozy with another Jersey mobster. Not only would Tony be watching like a hawk, the potential moles would know Johnny isn't going to keep them safe.
I love how careful carmine is throughout the show lmao, won’t even tell junior how much he paid for his trial 😂
A lot
Exactly lol
I think he also just doesn't really care to make small-talk with the has-been ex-boss of the glorified crew from Jersey. Wants to get to the fuckin point of the whole meeting
@@bumfricker2487 good point lol
@@bumfricker2487 of course he does. His daughter in-law was coming over with the baby
The way Tony turned it all back on Johnny by making him reveal his source was a masterstroke in negotiation. And he had every right to play that card.
The beauty is,Tony is covering up for Ralph because he was right there laughing at the joke. So it's his ass out there on the line as well.
But he knows Johnny can't play his Ace card.
Brilliant writing!
Tony immediately discouraged the joke in front of everyone. Technically, he did the right thing in the moment.
@@gonesville6873 But he then adds his own joke when they are making fun of her again. "When she hauls ass, she's gotta make 2 trips." Or something like that. :D
Yup. Tony plaid his hand perfectly, and once Johnny didn't agree to reveal his source. He folded his hand and tony won the pot. Excellent move.
@@walter2695tbf this happened in season 3 before ralph made the joke. That just shows their all hypocrites lol
Was John unable to mention he was talking to Paulie at all? Would that have been viewed as a violation to Carmine and Tony? Even if he presented as if they were casually talking?
Man it’s really easy to see how everything goes to shit when Carmine dies. He’s clearly got the respect of everyone, the second that’s gone they (New Jersey and New York) immediately start killing each other over anything.
Well said, jizzmopper, well said.
John didn’t respect him, he plotted to have him killed, but Tony backed out at the last minute.
@@JShady7620 that was only because of this scene right here. He didn’t back John
It only truly went to hell after Phil was in charge. Too emotional to be a boss.
Yep I compared him to Marcus Aurelius in Roman history. He was considered one of the last Caesar’s to rule in peace and unity. After his death there was infighting, corruption and eventual collapse. Carmine was Marcus Aurelius for the family. He brought stability and a level head and his death brought needless bloodshed and war.
Tony's shoulder adjustment when Jr. says, "my nephews right." 😂
J.P. Fox Stellar observation. I didn't pick it up till you pointed it out
I use it all the time haha
It's a micro-aggression.
The big uncle gave the little nephew a confidence boost in the conversational warfare.
Like when a kid gets their mum to back em up against another sibling lol
I loved Carmine. He was old school. "Name a price, or get the fuck over it!".
Had someone like Johnny walked out of a sit down like that with someone like Carmine, it would've been Johnny getting clipped
@@unclececil or the time he almost clipped Ralph in Miami without approval from Carmine
@@dannybranch9865 100%, I totally forgot about that, when he called it off while they were in the elevator! LOL
Tony Lip (Carmine) hung around wise guys.His life was portrayed by Viggo Mortenson in the Oscar Winning movie The Green Book.
@@unclececil Good thing Johnny forgot the sweater or we wouldn't of seen that epic fight with Tony and Ralph lol
I like how for a brief moment Bobby jr was at a major sitdown between bosses, playing a gameboy lol
Lmao yeah, bobby jr was always so sweet and innocent
Hahaha, worlds collide
Bosses? The Sopranos are a glorified crew.
I do love the fact that Johnny never cheated on his wife. His devotion to his wife definitely set his character apart from everyone else. Excellent!
It also led to stupid decisions, like not taking the $ deal which ultimately would have helped him out.
mr.broomstickuphisass!
I noticed that too. He was mostly a business man, cultured with manners. He loved his Jenny. If we could somehow place her at the Ukraine/Russia border, she would tilt Ukraine so that Russian troops would fall back into Russia.
He was ready to risk it that one night they ran into melfi and her friends at the restaurant 😂💯
@@jerseywalcott6408 be careful. Some body in here might rat you out to Johnny Sack for that unkind remark.
Tony was always at his best when he and his uncle were on the same page. They made a good team.
A varsity team?
@Saul Goodman did Tony ever make a move of Corrado? I don’t remember him ever actually ordering or even planning a hit on him. Same w/ Livia
@@tjanderson5892 In the first season when jr had a failed hit on Tony and they started taking out jr's crew they were planning on hitting junior too until he got arrested.
@@ciaranm8817 Self-defense I guess.
Junior all dressed up for the sit-down. In his depressing little house. LMAO
The contradictions just show the ultimate absurdity of life
All about appearances and to not draw attention.. old school way of thinking.. you got a big ass house and ur a consultant in a garbage company, puts you in the cross hairs of the irs/feds
He was just back from court.
It’s not that depressing, but it could use a renovation. That wood paneling in the living room was out of date even in 2006
yea why did i not get a nicer place?
Junior is like taking a zoom call meeting.
All dressed up for it.
Boxers or sweats on the bottom half 😂
@@zZzPoPTaRTzZz Old man briefs.
But he wasnt jacking off...clearly not a varsity new york times employee
Pilot for Zoom. 😂
And eating olives.
Tony usually is impulsive and insecure but in this scene he held his own and showed true leadership here. He could figure out Johns game, and you can see the fear in his eyes when he says “Alright fine, YOU tell me who said it we’ll bring him in hea.”
Put him in the perfect corner. "You give me the rat who talked I'll give you the guy you can't kill"
Helps that the threat isn’t against him personally, just Ralph and whoever he suspected was informing John.
I love the way carmine is always business and never feelings. Probably the most respectable character on the show
With Carmine it was always business and the bottom line money.
John had the right to be upset with Ralph but he was gonna fuck up business if he killed him….. I get it
Every time I see Carmine on this show, he reminds me of being perhaps the only character on this show that could have been a mob boss during the Godfather era. Everyone else is Goodfellas, but Carmine is cut from a different cloth. His one that one boss you could not help but respect. Even when he was causing you grief.
Gangster life was like breathing for Carmine.
He was the most practical because he'd seen the most and dealt with the most, but the biggest factor I think was beating his RICO trial. Thats a LOT of money to do that and at this point in his life he just wanted money to flow.
In real life the actor who plays carmine was the driver in the green book, no joke.
There was a reason he was the only high ranking guy to die a natural death a free man. He was the best.
@@r6854 tony lip
$200k and a piece of Ralph's company was a great deal.
For a joke to my wife fuck yeah. Im all ears 😂
@@avae5343 it's an off coloured remark, if you want I'll demand he's taxed. But clip him? My answers gotta be no.
@@avae5343 Ralph wants to fuck Ginny?
What if Ralph gave you his shine box? You there? Hello?
I know it was a great deal
“I’ll give you Ralph on a platter.”
I like that whatever happens Tony is clearly very OK killing Ralphie if he had to. 😄
I don't think Tony wanted Ralphie dead there. He just made the offer knowing Johnny would never say anything. Makes Johnny look like a jerkoff.
Tony...always thinking about food.
He pretty much *won* the sit down with that. What he suggested was reasonable and would solve all the problems at issue. Carmine knew it too, thats why he looked at Johnny. Johnny was screwed at that point. Rat out Pauly and admit to sticking your nose right in NJs business, or deal with it and STFU.
@@HighLordBlazeReborn I agree, Tony knew Johnny very well and knew he would never give up his source. He certainly wouldn't have shed any tears for Ralph but I don't think he wanted him dead at that point, Ralph was the best earner he had.
Ralph sure had a way with people, though. I wonder if he had any idea how close he had come to getting whacked and on how many occasions, before he finally did push things too far.
More importantly, he wants to find out who’s been talking.
I like how Carmine still acknowledges Junior as boss and brings him in over the phone.
Stellar observation. I didn't pick it up till you pointed it out
They still had to keep up the facade that Corrado was the real boss in front of Carmine so that if he did a decapitation, it was Jr's that would roll.
@@junkboxxxxxxAssuming he even bought that obvious charade
Junior was still technically the boss at this time
Junior’s recommendation at the end was actually quite good. It would have hurt Ralph financially, but avoid the unseemliness of “naming a price” for his wife’s honour. Too bad Johnny walked out before hearing it.
Junior was a great strategist and boss when he wasn't letting his ego ruin his decision making
@@ShakingAmericaPodcastHe was a great consigliere. Not even close to a decent boss
@@SangreFriasBack Some people are better at being no.2
Silvio and Junior both have status but also a lack of charisma and authority. They're weirdos, even by mob standards. Tony basically treated his uncle like a windshield and the less said about Silvio's brief run the better
Carmine just exudes everything that a real mob boss should be.
He was the only boss in the show who was competent. Tony was a headcase and tolerated too much bullshit from his men, Johnny was too emotional, the Shah of Iran was too stubborn and hotheaded. Carmine was always cool, calculatuing and thinking three steps ahead.
He told John sacks to get the fxck over it and everyone looked scared... even Tony
"Let's stick to the issue! A horrible insult was made against Ginny. END OF FUCKING STORY!" Cracks me up every single time!
a don doesn't wear shorts.
@@SittingBull99 "So either name your price or get the fuck over it". One of my favorites from that same scene.
he puts out his cig. stands up and he has another cig. Sac is an amazing man.
Gavin Romer so amazing he got cancer!
Continuity error lol
there's a million scenes where the glass fills itself midscene, or bread appears magically
and that is why he got cancer
@@mastod0n1 Not a continuity error. It shows you how bad of a chain smoker he is, foreshadowing his cancer. But DAYUM does he look cool while doing it.
"I'm not at liberty to say." What a brilliant lawyer like response by Johnny Sac.
😂 what a legend
I love that junior gets all dressed up in a suit to speak to Carmine even though it's only over the phone lol
He didn't get dressed up for the sitdown. He was in the middle of his RICO trial. Coming or going to court that day.
@@Mr._X84 i don’t think so. Lol I’m pretty sure he got dressed up specifically for his meeting of the bosses. He was getting cabin fever being on house arrest during his trial and started lookin forward to literally anything and everything to get through his dayd
I assumed he had just go back from court
@@tjanderson5892no, he came back from court. Watch the show
Tony’s shoulder shimmy was the most energetic moment of the series
It will never be that deep
"again with the money"
"Ma dude, wtf u think we here for."
for our social clubs obviously
some of them think it is more than that
@@wojciechjanek1215 it is. I'm with jhon here ur honor it sacred
@@zabban Nope, money over everything my friend. So either name a price or get the fuck over it!
@@johnselwitz5362 you just told all of us that you’re a fake and are for sale at amy time or situation given. Good for you.
1:40 Tony with the smug “yea bitch” shoulder shrug when junior says “my nephews right”
Not sure if that’s intentional but if it is that’s honestly incredible good spot!
Paulie got real lucky there.
Jesus tell me about it, doged a freakin bullet
You could see the temptation in Johnny's eyes of having Ralph on a silver platter.
I don’t think so. They would have looked down at John as giving up information too easily.
@@hizkealbishaw3487 maybe but it would go both ways at that point. I wouldn’t even be surprised if John spilled the beans on paulie here that Carmine says to Tony “okay let’s just whack John and paulie and call it a day.” That’s probably the most likely thing to happen. And Tony would 100% agree on that because John is or can be unreasonable and paulie talks too much.
yup... his wifes honor I guess was not worth all the inside info he was getting from that fuck Paulie...
Johnny Sac knew he was stuck in between a rock (Carmine) and a hard place (Tony). Johnny couldn't give up Paulie because Paulie was feeding him too much valuable information and Paulie would probably be murdered by the Sopranos for talking family business. Tony knew he could press John as much as he wanted because Johnny didn't have a leg to stand on. Amazing writing, they thought of everything.
Except for the cig in John's hand
That cold silence after Carmine told John to “Name a price or get the fuck over it.” 😳
"How many White Castle's did you have?"
"I didn't, I swear."
"I can smell them"
Let me tell you this, Burger Boy...you keep it up, they'll be crackin jokes about your ass next.
Bobby was the only decent one out of everyone that didn’t have an attitude and did what he was told. Fucking shame he got killed off. Would’ve preferred him over paulie to be standing last at the end
@@dantemariscal8679 Not so...you forgettin' that half tray of manicott he ate out of Junior's fridge? Whatever happened there?
@@AndyCigars “I was hungry!!”- Bobby baccala sr
In this business good guys don't finish last.
I love how Junior keeps talking after Johnny Sac leaves 😂
I love his smirk, he think's he's solved the problem
"john? John? Just think about it at least" and no one tells him he left 😂
It’s the brilliance of the show.
proves that, despite being exceptionally clever in some cases, Junior has no idea just how out-of-the-loop he really is. Well, at least until he gives up and takes his meds in season 6
"Name a price or get the f*ck over it"..Words to live by...
" yeah again with the money. It's settled John, so either name a price or get the fuck over it" Now that's a boss!
I mean John is being unreasonable. You can't just clip somebody over hearsay. If you could then everybody would do it. I know Ralph did say it, but John didn't actually hear it.
Yeah and that’s why John is fucked cuz he’d have to give up the rat.
Tony was brilliant here. He played John into a corner.
He wanted to know who was writing the family gossip column
I mean Tony’s right, the beef is really more in Tony’s corner considering Paulie (or in their eyes “somebody”) talking the way they are could mean bigger issues in regards to the feds. If they’re this loose lipped about a joke what are they liable to say when and if feds get ahold of him?
@@sergiomendoza4850 How is that John's problem? Tony has the rat in his family not John, John didn't ask for this information he was given it for free, so to catch the rat, you want ME to rat in front of my boss? That's the checkmate, Tony was not correct, he won this whole ordeal with a single sentence.
@@sergiomendoza4850 Tony is right but let’s not pretend like had John told him anything Paulie would’ve actually made it to that meeting lol
John cant do nothing here without giving up pualie lol
Gotta love how John never gave up paulie
It wasn't for Paulie's sake. He just didn't want to lose his Soprano family informant.
It also showed he was involved in Jersey’s internal and that was a no no.
It was because Paulie was in prison at the time and only Heard about it from his nephew. Jonny sac knew if he named Paulie then they can say he wasn't at the dinner.
Junior: “When you had that RICO trial what did that run ya? “
Carmine: “Alot”
old school Gangster shit
Carmine was the most underrated character of the show, he is the real mob boss, calm and collected, very cerebral
Allegorical.
there's no stigmata here.
I constantly come back to this scene! Carmine's unspoken disgust with Johnny Sack and Junior's "my nephew's right" still enthrall me again & again
Junior dresses up in a badass suit for a “sit-down” in his kitchen. Alone. 🤣🤣
He's the boss of this family. You forget.
For a meeting? Anywhere, Florida, timbuktu, I dress in a suit.
I think he was going through court as well.
@@br3ad420 You People???
@@andrewbecker9062 I’m making point here... you gotta take traffic into account... now the other thing, apologize for what you said.... eating ice cream like some fucking king??
"Again with the money!?"
"Yeah..again with the money." Best exchange. Sums up their thing nicely.
Love that too. Carmine is only about the money
"If this were years ago, would I even have had to ask?"
*To kill a made guy in another family because you heard a rumor? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you would have had to ask.*
Yeah he thinks he owns the world lol
Let’s ask Michael Franzese or Sammy The Bull what he thinks!
@9SecondStreetMustang I came here from that video with Michael Franzese.
Michael said that the cell would still be tapped. So the feds would still be able to listen in. He also said that 'allegedly' was the keyword to say, "Yeah, this is just a waste of all our time. Good day."
As an ex-smoker of cigarettes, I'm after many years finally free from phantom smells of cigarette smoke from watching people smoke in tv-shows and movies. Except for this scene, this scene fills my home with smoke.
Geez man after I stopped I understood why other people get disgusted because I get disgusted too and cannot believe I used to smoke... I look down on smokers now! What a hypocrite I am
You're weak
I need to quit.
I quit drinking 2 years ago, and the amount of money I save every weekend is amazing. If I can successfully quit smoking, I'll be golden.
Tony Lip as Carmine Lupertazzi is an absolute force.
Tony lip as carmine fish lips luppertazzi
When Carmine had that RICO trial, there was millions of dollars at stake.
Again with this money?
@@gargoyles9999 yeah! Again with the money!
It's a fucking miracle Paulie Gualtieri didn't get caught and whacked for telling secrets to John. It came very close.
Johnny Sack is no fucking snitch.
Carmine has perfect poker face. And in real life, if anybody throws a temper tantrum about what a boss says and storms off like a 12-year-old girl, they tend to disappear.
Paulie was the luckiest guy in the world throughout the series. It is not so apparent the first time watching through, but when you sit back and look at all the various scenarios where he could've been killed - often due to his own ineptitude or poor choices - wow, man.
He survived the 70's when the columbos were going at it for a reason
Love the little laugh from junior when johnny says "we bend more rules then the Catholic church" 😂😂
love Juniors little laugh on the "we bend more rules than the catholic church" like
Junior is incessantly annoyed with Bobby.
But he loves him.
Taking his leave as soon as it was set up. I'm surprised Jr. wasn't very suspicious (even though we know Bobbi). I'm reminded of "Paulie" in the Godfather. His taking the day off was all it took for him to die over the steering wheel out in the country. We know why, but why wasn't Bobbi looked at similarly - especially when multiple high level targets were gathered in the same place.
@@dj3114 because there was zero implication that anyone wanted jr dead he was only boss by title. And the character bobby was the least violent of all the gangsters
@Hyper jones So was Paulie. Low level people can be more easily influenced. I'm not saying that Jr. would be suspicious, but I'm just commenting that Jr. was surprised he wasn't going to be there, even though I'm sure he had been told. Just making a comparison between the two that had different outcomes.
@@dj3114 I feel like the logic here the less people talking about a potential hit the better. Bobby was keeping himself out of the know on purpose here.
Ralph and Johnny really foreshowed the war between the families. It was mainly the quick temper of Johnny that started the war, and it’s shown here that Johnny wanted to whack the CAPTAIN of another family all because of a joke. Hell, even Carmine thought it was crazy and put a hit on Johnny.
There was always tension under the surface. Tony resented he needed to kick up money to NY even though he was boss of his “glorified crew”, and they in turn have little respect for NJ only letting them conduct business cuz it filled their pockets.
@@matthewriley7826they shared the esplanade and zellman so NY is entitled
You know this scene is deeper than I thought. I just noticed something, out of watching this scene so many times. Carmine disrespected John here big time, and tony knew it also. He shut john down but also insulted him in front of another family. I think this may be one of the reasons John wanted to trade on him.
How did he disrespect him? I'm not saying he definatly didn't, but at some point a boss has to say "cut it out" if someone of his family is unreasonable, even if it's infront of others. But yeah, this def factored into Johns decision to have Carmine whacked.
The Look Tony and Silvio give John when Carmine says " get the fuck over it" ...and the shock on Johns face.
Carmine was justified in doing that, his underboss is acting like a pissed off teenager in front of the boss of another family, and he wants to whack one of the mobs best earners all over a stupid fat joke, so he has to put him in his place
They mention later how Johnny was unhappy carmine never backed him on this
I just realized the only reason that Johnny made even more fuss is because Paulie being a rat to Johnny was way too valuable in the past so he elected not to have a huge asset killed.
Jr was so happy to be at a sitdown
That look sil gave when tony said he’ll give Ralph on a platter if John tells him who told him about the joke is legendary . He KNEW it was Pauly.
Tony knew it was Paulie too, but he didn't KNOW it was Paulie. If he had proof, Paulie would have been keeping Big Pussy company. He very nearly ended up that way as it was.
😂😂
@@brucetucker4847 don’t know if Tony would of necessarily killed him, it would of cost Pauli’s a lot though. He wasn’t a big earner like the others, a gangster more than businessman like Vito and Ralph
No you didnt fuckin know, I just told ya! -Junior
That's not exact, Tony said bring the guy who told you AND if he backs your story THEN....
“It’s what the Taliban do”
Hmmm. Interesting comment given the current Foriegn affairs.
yea they don't need to do that anymore. Pretty sure Sil was mixing them up with Al Qaeda too
@@denverbritto5606 Yepp back thern 05 it was prolly al quada. But all them fuckers are the same really. Nuke them all! Lol
Quasimodo predicted this
@@YUNGDEEZE315 or just air drop 100000 gallons of pig blood and guts over their turfs 😂😂😂🐷🐷🐷🐷
Literally only interesting because you've heard Taliban a hundred times in the last month lol
2:46. Spoken like a true boss!
"Yeah again with the money !"
Favorite line of this scene
Gotta love how Jr's dressed up for the sitdown, even over the phone.
He was on trial at the time, he didn't just dress up for a phone call
@@tapset He may have been on trial, but he was definitely dressed for the sitdown. Junior was a peacock and supposedly old school. This was a brief return to normalcy for him lol
@@lrvd7887 Nice way of trying to cover for your comment. He was coming or going to court. He didn't dress up for a sit-down, where no one can see him.
@@Mr._X84 and yet you don't see him coming or going to court in that scene. Also, me thinks you are taking this just a tad seriously... lol
@@lrvd7887 mr x is correct. Go watch the entire show moron.
Carmine never made that right with John. I knew back then that was a mistake.
So that's what caused their rift then??
Marissa Sue nope. I think Tone only said that in hindsight. John wanted the throne and that was his sole motivation
@@Akuma240 Ok, but I'm confused.
I was asking if this is what caused the rift between Carmine & Sac.
Marissa Sue my opinion: no
What john says : it was the esplanade
What Tony says : yes
@@Akuma240 Ok, cool
The scene after John stares at Carmine where it’s silent and Tony looks down is f’n superb, brilliant acting - Tony was taken back and embarrassed for John after getting told off in front of everyone
I love the way carmine looks at Johnny sack like “I can’t believe your even wasting my life with this BS.” LOL
Even though Johnny had his own face to cover and used Paulie
He didnt give him up.
I'm no expert at the series but it strikes me as John still playing the long con here. Paulie was formidable in many ways, but he wasn't necessarily the brightest. He was being played like a fiddle by John, and John saw him as a long-term asset.
bruh if he would've given Paulie up Johny boy would be clipped along with Paulie lol
I love how Junior can't stop eating during the meeting, all dressed up and shit.
The man has his priorities
He's eating his favourite Santa Barbara olives.
Boca Raton olives
"We bend more rules than the Catholic Church" the great Johnny Sack!
Carmine Sr is one of my favourite characters. His reactions were often very funny.
Agreed
00:27 Junior's eyes initially -- he's like ""Bobby, don't leave me alone with this alien technology""
1:16 Carmine sensed that passive aggressive tone in Johnny’s voice and quickly tries to calm him.
He made a very hurtful remark that's not worth repeating
Let's just agree it was unkind...
it's an off color remark
Do I have to repeat it?
@@dd.4910 Ginny Sack is so fat you have to tell the joke twice to get all of her in it.
Absolute classic
Junior puts on a suit to take a meeting remotely
“Who’s that, Tony?”
It’s very telling that Junior’s opening contribution to the sit-down was a question of utter confusion. Afterward, he goes on to continue asking questions, most of them obvious. He is completely out of touch with all family business.
You say that, but he was right to ask how Sack knew about it if he wasn't there and was 100% correct in his conclusion that Tony was correct.
Honestly, Junior was the best reader of people on the cast. (So long as a beautiful woman wasn't in the room.)
@@Delightfully_Witchy oh no doubt, you make a good point. Junior, up to a specific point before the dementia really settled in, continued to have genuine intuitive moments where he read a person or a situation perfectly (warning Richie about Janice’s true nature)…. but those moments were typically undercut with instances of him being a squirrelly old loon who gets his hand trapped in sinks for hours. After those embarrassing moments, whatever influence he had as a “semi-retired” don was essentially undermined. The way this scene ends also perfectly exemplifies that.
That damn Paulie!"What's your name again "
Carmine was a great Boss. There is no way he was going to order Ralphie clipped over an off color remark. Also, Johnny Sac lost the argument the minute he said "alleged" & then refused to name the witness who told him about the remark. Tony made a good point bringing up that fact. Carmine ruled the correct way. Ralphie was LUCKY Carmine was the Boss at that time.
Carmine was Alexander the Great compared to the stooges that followed, John, Phil, and even Butchie or whoever took the spot after Phil got his head squished.
I love how the expression "friends of ours" through the whole series is an euphemism for mob guys
Well that's because in real life the mafia refers to made men as "friends of ours."
It's how introductions were made without having to come right out and say that you're in the mob. The Sopranos writers didn't invent it.
Small detail, but when Johnny says ‘put Pontecorvo on it,’ that would’ve maybe changed everything for Eugene. Instead his story plays out as one of the saddest on the show.
But not too sad, the guy was a thug and a killer.
OMG soooo true! Great catch!
He still would have been stuck between the feds and the family, wouldn't he? Money wasn't his problem, he had that big inheritance, he just wanted out of the life.
@@brucetucker4847 but once he found out he couldn’t leave he wanted to make captain. Remember he said he was going to buy a new car to raise his profile.
"I want to avenge her honor. It is my right to do." While she's at home hiding on her knees eating Kit Kats and Ho Ho's. lmao
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Brilliant writing @ 1:51, when Tony proposes Johnny Sac give up his source (paulie), in exchange he can have Ralph: Johnny Sac looks over at Carmine, and Carmine is saying hell no dont give up our source in his crew, because we make a lot of money from Paulie's big mouth, and lastly they cut to Sil noticing this between Carmine and Johnny.
Amazing
Would've been a complete win-win for Tony too considering how he felt about Ralph.
No shit sherlock, I swear the sopranos fans are the most intelligent people in this universe.
Yea
lol imagine paulie trying to explain himself in front of carmine if they actually brought him in lol
2:00 the sheer suspense and tension of this moment... imagine how different the timeline might've turned out if johnny said it was paulie
All jokes aside Carmine really showed his mettle and intelligence on this one. That stare down at the end before John got up and walked off... Oooo marone! IMO Carmine was the only real gangster on the entire show.
Again with the money? Yeah, again with the money!
The look and shoulder shrug Tony gives John after Junior says “my nephew is right” makes me laugh every time
James Gandolfini said it in an interview with 60 minutes.
The writing on this show was simply incredible.
Too bad they killed Carmine off as well, he was excellent.
The writing in the show was second to none which is why it is standing out from the bullshit that's on t.v(Netflix, Stan) these days
When Tony said you bring in the person who told you, that was checkmate
"My nephew's right" Junior always loved Tony even though he didn't always show it
Small hands and all.
Funny how confident and cool Junior is talking to Carmine. Like even at the start asking Bobby where he is going. Tony and Johnny Sack always were a little more cautious or respectful. Junior too cool for that.
"My nephew's right." Tony's like I know I'm right.
2:15 "We bend more rules than the Catholic church!"
I love how he's completely in the wrong, but *entirely correct* in this assessment.
Masterful scene... These actors left us with a masterpeice of a show
Dominic Chianese is a fucking master. Before the Sopranos he was living above a gas station sleeping on a lazy boy recliner. How in the world...Best actor in this entire series, hands down.
And as far as I’m concerned you should still be there!
@@lastEvergreen That was Vince Curatola (Johnny Sack) lol
Junior: no you can’t kill a man for laughing at his wife
Also junior: that dickie molasanti gotta go for laughin at me for slipping in the rain
Carmine is modelled on Paul "Big Paul" Castellano 1915-1985. Gunned down in New York. He was more businessman than mobster.
That shoulder shrug from tony after junior said my nephews right, is the type of love he wanted from his uncle
"Either name a price or get the f over it", that's how every problem in the world should be solved lol 😂