The Premier League's Most Controversial Relegation
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When Sheffield United were relegated instead of West Ham.
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It really shouldn’t have been that complicated to even deal with. Since the transfers were illegal then Tevez and Mascherano were ineligible players and therefore any game they played in should’ve counted as West Ham fielding an illegible player, therefore forfeiting the result.
Except the penalty for fielding an illegible team is a fine and potentially points reductions. Absolutely nothing about foreiting already played games, and they’d never ever be fined enough points from what’s essentially an accounting error to take Sheffield’s spot in relegation. They reached a settlement because it’s likely the fines they would have been charged by the league would surmount Sheifflds shut up fee
@@Foxtrot6624 Actually the FA’s rules state the punishment is a fine and a points deduction up to 12 points. Not to mention it’s the standard across the continent, as far as I’m aware too, for example Celtic have benefitted from this twice in Europe when they would’ve been knocked out by FC Sion and Legia Warsaw as they fielded intelligible players on both occasions. It could be a case however that the rules only tightened after the West Ham debacle.
@@Foxtrot6624they only had three points more that Sheffield, so they definitely could have been docked enough points to make them go down instead mate.
@@Guns_Blazin Are any Celtic players intelligible? XD
@@Foxtrot6624Equatorial Guinea just had 2 games forfeited that the had already played due to playing Emilio Nsue. Because he turned out to be illegible to play for them
How about Middlesbrough's 3 point deduction that got them relegated because they couldn't field enough players for a game due to a virus in 96/97
Or Aston villa staying up in 2020 thanks to a var error
And the FA lying about the correspondence in the build-up to the game
@@JoshAston23Yes that's the key thing. The FA told them they could postpone itwith no punishment as they didn't have any fit players. Then they deducted 3 points instead.
@@Masterofham8another incident affecting united
Exactly what I said! Might be nearly 30 yrs ago but it still pisses me off! Corrupt FA 😂 UTB
Exactly what happened with Fluminense and Portuguesa here in Brazil a while ago, with the difference that Fluminense's relegation was reversed and Portuguesa went to Série B instead, because there was an illegal player on their bench that joined the game at the end.
Nah, Sheffield's ghost goal that sent Bournemouth down instead of Aston Villa, technology malfunction pretty much relegated Bournemouth.
No it didn't. They still had 8 games to save themselves. Plus there's no guarantee that sheff utd go on to win that match as there was loads of time left.
lets not forget the fact that if that happened, the premier league would be very different now
We seem to be at the forefront of all premier league controversy us blades 😂
Not really the 2nd half of th game and the rest of the season to be played. You can't blame it on that incident especially if you even it out with the Kevin Friend cancelling out a perfectly good goal by Lansbury no less at Palace
Tbf if Villa had gone down they wouldn't have been in the conversation to sigh Watkins in 20/21 and we likely would've signed him instead rather than having to sign Brewster as a plan B
West Ham needed a draw. The Blades also had it in their own hands and blew it spectacularly.
warnock rant during the controversy is the funniest but accurate rant of all time
Could be Cardiff City 2017/18, the season before VAR they conceded a goal to Chelsea which was obviously offside, but meant that Cardiff lost 1-0. If they drew 0-0, they would have stayed up and Brighton would have been relegated on goal difference.
Nope. They could have improved 37 other results and not needed that goal. They could have actually scored a goal in that match. Nothing illegal took place, just a mistake, which Cardiff made plenty of that season. Not even close.
@@B3BandSo the same could be said for this game then? Bias goes crazy😂
That would have changed football history
That was 18/19 not 17/18
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isn’t it just
I seem to recall Neil Warnock also complained about Man Utd fielding an under strength team in that game
They fielded a team composed of players good enough to sign contracts with Man United. It's not like they went around the pub looking for volunteers. He can cry all he wants.
United already won the league, so Fergie could put any team he wanted and not have to worry about not winning the league.
@@B3BandYet there's apparently now a rule against fielding weakened sides in the Premier League!
@@TheGrimmCommonerI'd have thought that managers could put out whatever combination of eligible players they wanted to anyway!
@@TheGrimmCommonerThat's not strictly true. There are rules around strength of line-ups.
That or utd's relegation in 21 when they scored at villa but goal line technology wasn't turned on.
I think you mean 20 and Bournemouth but there's nothing controversial about it. Bournemouth didn't do well enough over the course of the season so got relegated
Crystal Palace 04/05; when Portsmouth let West Brom win so Southampton would get relegated
I'm a Palace fan. We can't cry about that. We had our destiny in our own hands as the team in 17th. We failed to beat Charlton. We had an Inter Milan striker on loan who was out the entire season, came back with two games to go and immediately scored on his debut, and decided not to use him in the final game. We had Julian Speroni, who now has a cafe in the stadium named after him, who did not concede a single goal in 6 appearances that season, and we only used him 6 times. We needed a win and failed. No excuses.
@@B3Band I'm a Wolves fan, I'm just being petty 😁
@@B3Bandnorwich started the day in 17th you boys were 8 mins from safety jordan was the reason in my opinion palace went down
Sheffield had 38 games to get enough points. Blaming transfer technicalities from other teams isn't it.
Stamp and Robbie Mustoe dealing with them I'd of paid good money to watch! UTB
they reached a settlement meaning west ham technically knew Sheffield were right
In the Pre VAR era...
A goalkeeper in the sidenetting with the ball against the upright- yet no goal awarded and the agrieved club was relegated 😂kinda eclipses that controversy😂
You provide no details and we're supposed to just go along with you? Nope, Sheff Utd wins.
Cardiff city 18/19 season
Tevez what a player
When i read that Sean Bean was marching to parliament with a petition and a group of Sheffield United fans, i couldn't stop laughing. Ha ha cry more. 😂😂
20 mil out of court. Implied guilt. Fifa corrupt. Football ruined. Simple
Leeds United 2003/4
And yet, that relegation is basically trumped by the recent season's relegation, due to Sheffield's god awful performance all season long.
*Sheffield United
Bournemouth going down on the last day of the season due to Aston Villa ghost goal
Nothing to do with that incident
@@dennisgoatimer1079 but it is controversial
@@Xiope10 Not really people who don't know about football might think it so but there's not only the 2nd half of that game still to play but numerous games after that which will be affected by that result. Plus what about the Lansbury disallowed goal against Palace if we're being this stickler about it then it cancels it out right?
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Its worth noting that before tevez scored against man united. Sheffield and wigan were playing out the most boring draw to fix them both staying up assuming west ham would lose
Sheffield weren't playing Wigan. Sheffield United were.
Well it was 2-1 at half time. I think the game was level for something like 17 minutes before Wigan scored. Also, Wigan had to win. A draw wouldn't have been good enough, so your memory is way out
Funny how the two most controversial relegations are both sheffield united and are entirely down too terrible officiating, one because tevez shouldnt have been playing and one because despite scoring a goal it didnt count.
That second on isn't controversial Bournemouth didn't do well enough to stay up simple as
@@dennisgoatimer1079 I think you misinterpreted my comment mate, I'm not talking about Bournemouth in the slightest.
@@dennisgoatimer1079 without that ghost goal Sheffield united don't go down, bournemouth still do.
@@kahlebhowarth-jennings9688 Sheffield United didn't go down that season fella and even still that doesn't mean that everything else remains the same tell me you know nothing about football without telling my you know nothing about football.
@@dennisgoatimer1079 am I having a Mandela moment? I swear the ghost goal against villa was the season after COVID, In which we went down, these years have meshed together but I didnt think it was that bad
Please stop making videos that include West Ham. Only Talk Sport presenters care about them
Crybabys Sheffield United strike again
When West Ham signed Tevez & Mascherano, everyone I knew initially laughed at the rumors. But as they turned out to be true, everyone was shocked. Young kids suddenly wanted to play as West Ham in football games. This incident caused West Ham to receive one of the biggest fines for a club at that time & later be sued for something like 30 million. The fine was because Tevez & Mascherano were owned by a third party. The group owning their rights & moving them to West Ham was a money laundering front for oligarchs Boris Berezovsky & Badri Patarkatsishvili. The lawsuit happened because West Ham avoided a points deduction by falsely claiming they had taken full ownership of the duo. Despite all this, they got relegated 2 years later. Quite ironic. By the way, just to let everyone know, City only scored 29 goals that season, & now look at Haaland. How time flies...
Isn't it ironic that tevez went off to man united still on a 3rd party ownership? So the "crime" west ham were fined for was for what? Not disclosing the details of tevez and mascherano's ownership?
Tevez was on loan at UTD & they refused to pay over half the transfer fee to the two 3rd party owners of the players so CITY stepped in with their new money to take him from United & get the issue resolved with Tevez on their books. Such ownership of player rights is no longer legal in the EPL
They got way more from staying than the fine. Should have been relegated and fiend imo.
@@daxthaxeIt's banned by FIFA now
I don't understand why the footballing authorities refuse to revoke results once they've already happened. If Tevez' transfer was illegal then that would make him an ineligible player. If an ineligible player is fielded than the result is void.
This case is even worse because the result hadn’t already happened. Why was Tevez even allowed to play?
*then the
If a grassroots side fielded an ineligible player then they would be deducted points, why not in the professional game?
@@m1j1browningthe signing was made good in the January transfer window
This is exactly why f all will happen to man city.
Err no. Surely Middlesbrough 1996/97 for getting relegated after being deducted 3 points for not playing a match because we had no fit players. Yer joking aren't ya!!
Should have just sent Phil Stamp round to deal with the FA
It's the non-relegation of Man City after breaking every single rule in the book and bragging about it
Of cos there would always be that one ignorant clown
Hopefully they end up in the Conference League or National League after the trial is concluded.
@@TheGrimmCommoner keep hoping till you’re old and grey.
And then you woke up in a bowl of cornflakes...it was all a dream.
What about Hawkeye not being switched on in Villa vs Sheff Utd and that point relegated Bournemouth
The fact that villa are in the champions league now and they should have been relegated a few seasons ago makes wonder where they would be. Had Hawkeye actually done it's job.
With 10 games to go and a full half to play, you are just assuming that the rest of the season would have played out the same. If the goal had stood there is no guarantee the game would have ended 1-0, and even if it did, there is no guarantee the rest of the games would have played out the same, as Villa would have needed at least an extra point and have changed their approach and/or in-game tactics.
Not to mention, Villa was robbed of a ridiculous goal earlier on in the season (Lansbury Vs Palace)
@@alessandrovigano8149 that's a lot of assuming we won't ever know what would have happened had the goal been given correctly.
Yeah I would have said that was the most unfair relegation
@@alessandrovigano8149spot on
Remember that Cardiff city againts chelsea
So what was the difference between West Ham not actually owning Tevez and Man U doing the same?
Honestly thought this clip was gonna be Bournemouth when villa stayed up by a point, relegating Bournemouth. And in the covid restart had that ghost goal where goal line technology failed and villa “should have” lost (although impossible to say for sure)
Nothing controversial about it just people who don't know football think it's controversial
Its was Middlesbrough being deducted 3 points after the F.A. Advised them to postpone against Blackburn when they couldn’t field a team through injury and illness. Advised them to postpone, then deducted 3 pts. That relegated them.
As if I haven't endured enough following the Blades this season, and Tifo decide to remind me of this!
Middlesbrough?????
Corruption has always been around, it’s just more obvious now. Yet nothing is done about it
Blackburn Chicken Chasers ruining a mid-table prem team within a year.
So Carlos Tevez's "transfer fee" was effectively 20,000,000 pounds only Shiefield Utd got the bag.
How about don’t lose to Wigan. Where is Sheffield Utd now where is westham. Sheffield Utd are a championship club at best
Doesn't matter anyway. Even if WH had gone down and Sheffield Utd had stayed up, the two clubs would have settled as WH in the Prem and Sheffield Utd in the second of third tier a few years later.
The 1919 (The league mentioned before happened before the height of the war I believe 14-15)saga has got to be up there so basically after the war Blackpool proposed to expand to 22 teams which was agreed Preston and Derby got promoted as usual but what happened to the next two spots was anything but. For the 21st place was what would've been relegated Chelsea as people felt pity on them as they only got relegated as Manchester United match fixed with Liverpool of all teams on the final day to stay up. The 22nd spot well this is a kicker in what should really be between Tottenham a club that would've been relegated or Barnsley the team to finish 3rd in the Second Division ended up voting in Arsenal a team that finished 6th in the Second Division they had connections to a Conservative MP and mayor of Fulham which may have played a role in the ordeal.
CARLOS TEVEZ SENT YOU DOWN SENT YOU DOWN POOR OLD SHEFFIELD
This is BS.
WHU only needed a draw at Old Trafford on the final day.
WHU earned more points without Tevez than with Tevez in the team over the whole season.
Premier league are a bunch of bottlers . How can West Ham not be deducted points for playing ineligible players
Maybe biased but we only needed a draw so all this talk of removing results I think it’s a bit similar to other situations such as FFP violations with trophies ect. Sure they may have ‘cheated’ but the football was still there to get the result
The best great escapee ever 7 wins out of the last 9 and best Manchester United away to survive.
Don’t forget Bournemouth getting relegated in covid bc goal line tech did them dirty
$20 mil to avoid regulation……..worth it
not even accurate.west ham didn't need to win, a draw would have been fine
Prime Tevez was unplayable 💯
Middlesbrough due to point deduction
Lost final home game 2-1 to Wigan
it’s when arsenal paid the league to keep em in
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As a West ham fan, womp womp.
Oliver twist 😂😂
joe sounds like he had a cold
I remember this story
That Bournemouth relegation due to goal line tech error in the Villa game is surely up there.
Nothing controversial about it Bournemouth didn't do well enough to stay up simple as
Most non-controversial relegation : Sheffield United 2023/2024 season 🤣🤣🤣
The Premier League has never been serious with its transfer regulations. Basically, you can just do as you please, and there would be no serious repercussions. 🤷🏾♂️
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Middlesbrough 97 with the unjust points reduction
And if that hadn’t have happened, we might’ve never been in the 2013 FA Cup final and won it 🟦⬜️
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Bournemouth 2019-20
Nothing controversial about it Bournemouth didn't do well enough to stay up simple as
Doesnt add to this but the guy who scored a pen in the last match for wigan was a sheff united player at the start of the season
how about the aston villa and Sheffield United one that relegated Bournemouth
With 10 matches remaining in the season? Not a chance. There's a difference between making a mistake and something illegal taking place.
Bots are killing it now 😂
And then Man Utd signed Tevez next season...
I cannot think of one that comes close
lets all laugh sheffield
put it on their honours board
Tevez is a Wednesdayite
Ngl 20 million is quite a lot
Cardiff City 2019
They also got the least controversial relegation last season, they are awful
Didn’t Manchester city get relegated because the league wanted Arsenal to stay up and it was a choice between the two? It was that Tottenham?
I know that in 1919 Arsenal got promoted as patt of the 22nd club rule to the First Division ahead of Tottenham who got relegated to the Second Division instead they should've voted Barnsley.
fuoking teves, we could have won the prem that year
Nah city and Dortmund lost to Copenhagen
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I was at that United game. Got to see us lift the premier League trophy but it was annoying that the west ham fans were celebrating on our big day.
Or Sheffield Utd again when Aston Villa stayed up due to the goal line tech not being turned on in their decisive relegation match
Nothing to do with that
The Useless Pigs were 10 points clear of relegation with 10 games to play. They were relegated because they bottled it. They couldn't get a result at home against a shocking Wigan side.
No one ever seems to point out that Tevez didn't score until several months into the season and wasn't even the top scorer (that was Zamora). Sheffield Utd only had themselves to blame for being so poor. They even beat West Ham 3-0 a few weeks before the end of the season but still couldn't stay up
Doesnt matter you fielded an ineligible player therefore those games are foreited. Dont be dense. Actually they fielded 2 ineligible players
@@milagomez55 Sorry for triggering you with my valid points. I hope that you can get over this and find some happiness
I won't say valid, even if westham backup never played before player score instead of tevez, if he is ineligible Sheffield united would still complain. It is not a matter of Tevez being a good player, it is a matter of fielding illegal player@@ottooctavius5855
@@milagomez55 the premier league rubber stamped it after they dislosed the 3rd part agreement, should be them being sued not west ham,
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