14:40 is a journal box-it held the "brass" or bearing that was on top of the axle journal of the wheelset(the part of the axle outside of the wheel @ 17:43), there are 4 for each truck, the springs went between the spring plank and the bottom of the truck side frame, MCB is the initials of the Master Car Builders for standards, Griffen--Griffen Wheel Company, the 75000/6 yrs is 75000 miles or 6 years of running expected, those wheels are cast iron(notice the broken flange on one of the wheels), 20:30 is a hand grab that went on a car corner or end, 21:32 is a center bearing that went between a car bolster and a truck bolster to support one end of a car, 22:26 are two truck side frames with the journal boxes-these are arch-bar truck side frames, 23:55-this is part of the spring-plank that went over the springs and between the truck side frames that held up the car, 26:28 is part of the brake rods and rigging, the numbers you are seeing are casting numbers, the leaf springs would usually be in a caboose truck, 26:40 is a brake shoe holder with a brake shoe in it, 27:47 is a triple valve from the brake system, 30:41 the left beam is a brake-shoe beam, a brake shoe is on the end of it, the beam that hooks to it pulls it into the wheels to apply the brakes(2 of those per truck), 31:23 is a draft gear-the coupler with spring to help with shocks of slack between the cars(where your hand is would be the attachment area to the car), 32:50 is the brake piston inside the cylinder, 34:35 - 2 couplers, 38:20 a complete truck, 37:27 top center of the shot is a "brass" from a journal box, 39:00 St Charles Car Co of St Charles, MO, might I ask where this is(along the San Diego & Arizona Eastern in Carrizo Gorge)? I looked up the film and it was shot close to Jacumba, CA.
Roy: in the movie, the first car over the side is indeed a caboose, so that would probably explain the leaf springs. Fabricated truck frames (archbar) are in short supply in museums nowadays, so these might be of some value. Curious that, except for the coupler/drawbar, some brake parts and the truck frames and wheels, nothing exists of the cars themselves, so we might conclude that someone did some salvage work?
@@hamilton1191 I worked as the track foreman and helped in the shop at the Huckleberry RR at Flint, MI from 4/79 to 10/83. Most of the equipment there was from 1880 to 1920. I have repacked journals and brake cylinders plus reground Type K triple valves. I also worked on the train and track for the Jefferson & Cypress Bayou RR in Jefferson, TX.
They may one day change their minds about that. That is pre-detonation iron and steel. It is very rapidly going up in value. It is happening so fast that World War II wreck grave sites are being stolen for the pre-detonation steel that has extra low background radiation levels for super sensitive equipment.
The Terre Haute Car MFGT Company was on the Wabash River in Indiana. By 1895 the company had burned down twice, weathered two economic recessions, and been idle in 1893-1895. The company began operations again, announcing on Feb 1st it would go into full production. That wheelset was made shortly after work resumed. At this point it had been substantially enlarged from the previous two iterations and it employed over 1000 men. It merged with American Car and Foundry.
@@martinjcamp Yeah embarassingly that was the only useful 2c i was thinking of adding too :) lol (haute like haute quisine) ... FunnY story about how Steve Martin used to joke about the town ...so they invited him on a tour of the town BUT They purposely scheduled it so the limousine got cutoff multiple multiple times by the frieght-trains rolling through town :) lol
I used to explore like this, a LOT. Buildings, a few mines, old sites like these. I'm older now and can still do some of it, but not like that anymore. I only recently found your channel and wanted to say thank you for spending the time to do this so that others of us can see things we'd never otherwise see. And, I admire your perseverance for continuing after banging your hands up like that, and especially through those thorns. I probably wouldn't have tackled those thorns even when I was younger. lol. Stay safe, thank you for the videos, and thank you for the great attitude you have in your videos. None of us know everything, and it's refreshing to see someone ask for others input when you aren't sure what things are. Too many explorers these days try to act like they know everything about everything. I like your approach to this. Stay safe out there my man!!
I certainly appreciate your personal injuries in the making of this documentary fillum. I hope you healed successfully. Love your work as always. Your enthusiasm is infectious.
I've hiked the whole track over 3 days! Found little Chinese folks shoes down in the canyon and the sheds down there to store the explosives! The wooden trestle and the mile long tunnel are both impressive! Watch out for rattlesnakes and the cactus!🤗🤣👍🏼
So cool that you showed the partial assembly with wheels at the top of the hill because it contained a lot of parts that you showed separately near the bottom. Enabled us to see how they fit together!
Excellent video! 😊 The assembly of 4 wheels & associated hardware you found towards the end of the video is called a “truck”: a lot of the pieces you found further down the hillside were pieces of trucks where the wheels & axles separated from the truck side frames as they crashed down the hillside. The part that had pipe connections didn’t handle water, it was a part of the air brake system called a “ triple valve”, which controlled the air into & out of the air brake cylinder that you found smashed open, showing the brake piston inside. A lot of the hardware connected by cotter pins that you found were brake rigging parts; the brake piston would push or pull them as mechanical linkages to move the brake beams which held the brake shoes (the smaller curved metal pieces you found) up against the wheel treads to apply or release the brakes. The chains would have been part of the hand brake system on the cars to apply the brakes when parked on a railroad side track. You also found 3 couplers, a pair of them that looked to have been from 2 rail cars where they were coupled together. The style of truck parts that you found were called “Andrews” trucks that were in common use around 1900; while some of these survive in railroad museums, they are illegal for modern use. Railroad freight car bodies of that period were mostly wood, so what you see surviving from the wreck are most of the metal parts used in freight cars of that period. You’ve also got to be pretty athletic to be scrambling up & down that hillside as you did!😅 Again, very enjoyable video.
I’ve hiked a lot of that railway and I’ve seen metra cars that were never picked back up when the railway shut down,some old burnt passenger cars seemed to be around from the 70s, the things we see in this video and much more! There’s even some engines when you reach the desert
That was some pretty cool stuff. Not something you see everyday, old train parts. Thanks for taking us along and dealing with all those Thorn bushes, Och!
I am intrigued to see the parts of the trucks from the cars that were wrecked as they are almost the same as the trucks under a preserved British wagon from the London & North Eastern Railway which is still in use by the civil engineering department of the North Yorkshire Moors Railway. I made some new brake bars and rods for it about 15 years ago and to see the same pieces in a wrecked train from the U S A was quite an eye opener! The diamond frame made of steel bars is virtually identical, even the castings that held the bars together look similar in design. Sad to see them just rotting away out in the wilds after all these years. Only major difference is that our wagon has side buffers and hook and chain couplings rather than buckeye couplers. The rest of the complete truck looks as though it would fit right in! Thanks for taking the risks and the loss of skin to film it for us to see in your excellent video.
I would have been worried about snakes. I always wear tall boots and leather work gloves when I rip into old stuff. Even then I seem to get some damage like you did. Chiggers are another fun addition to the terrain as well. Great video, thanks for taking us along.
Early wheels had the spirow on the inside of the wheel. Early trucks were made of flat stock whereas current trucks are cast steel. I saw a lot of parts from trucks including journal boxes and springs. Chains were used to keep the cars from rocking too far to each side. At about 31 minutes you were looking at coupler and drawbar assembly. Round donut was one of two center plates (one on truck and one on bottom of car) where the pin from the truck aligned and secures the truck to the car body.
Thanks for showing this train wreck, I went and found the film, it's pretty interesting as it looks like they just left it where you found it. I found the film on Internet archive and the wreck is at 1 hour 10 mins+ into the film.
Very cool. I like how thoroughly you're exploring. I acknowledge how hard all that would be to walk around. I'm also grateful you did it. I remember the tunnels from last year, and that trestle you spent all day carefully documenting. That gunsite cliff explore too, so many times you're going through very difficult terrain. I catch myself worrying. Every explore you do, I'm excited to watch.
Excellent video of your exploration of this early film train wreck. I really appreciate the embedded stills of the more interesting parts - otherwise, to me anyway, it would have seemed like a never ending stream of bits and pieces. The ending scene of the film showing the train cars hurtling over the edge, caboose first, explained why there was no larger wreckage i.e. tender or locomotive. Thanks for including the name of the film. Good stuff! Thanks for documenting the site so well!
For a great book about the construction of the Transcontinental Railroad (1863-1869): Nothing Like it in the World by Stephen E. Ambrose. You won't believe what these men went through constructing bridges and tunnels through the High Sierra Mountains.
This particular railroad, though, is not apart of the Transcontinental Railroad. There's a book called The Impossible Railroad that describes this ill-fated construction project financed by sugar magnate John D. Spreckels. The Carrizo Gorge section defies physics.
Also read "Hear That Lonesome Whistle Blow" about the UP/CP road. What gets me is that, apart from one crude steam shovel on the UP, it was all built by hand. Pick, shovel, muscle and black powder.
Fascinating, fine, much more to this video than I was expecting, thanks for the adventure. I have watched several of your videos and conclude that you must be in top physical shape.
Oh I hate those thorn bushes!!! What an awesome find!!! Thank you for doing all the work to share this with us. Sorry you got bloodied! You found a lot of cool artifacts at this sight! This is railroad history and movie history. What a find with the two wheel sets that are still attached! Very cool video! Great explore!
Fantastic Finds....thanks for being a Mountain Goat for us, good job on climbing the rocky hill...and hopefully you have a First Aid kit in your back pack.. Stay safe....🚂🚂🚂🚂
As someone who's spent a ton of time exploring the desert in AZ over the decades, may I suggest two pieces of kit? Snake chaps and a good set of thick leather work gloves. A side benefit of the chaps (if you go full length) is they also protect your legs from thorny brush, cacti, etc. 👍
That is an amazing find. So you found wheels, axle boxes, spring sets both leaf and coil, bodies frames, water pump, and drive wheel parts off the locomotive!
We do appreciate you chopping your way through to see some history. Enjoy seeing your finds. We know you are busy but sure have trouble not seeing your videos. 😮😅
Great video, someone mentioned gloves, I always have gloves, anything helps, I used to carry a pair in my back pocket, so I always had them ready to use. Worth their weight in gold!
Most of the Antique railroad iron met its end during the war during the scrap metal drives for the war effort. Neat to see the stuff that wasn’t easily recovered didn’t go back to the steel mills.
At 22:12, those are the side frames for the trucks that held the axles and wheels. Specifically, those are called archbar style trucks. You see an entire archbar truck assembly at 38:20.
At about 31:30 it appears you've found the major part of a coupler between 2 cars and I believe some of the previous parts were also coupler components . Thanks for another interesting explore.
I believe that those numbers that you're seeing as "75000" are the Axle weight limit. And, the time stamp on them are when they're supposed to be either replaced or machined again to the Factory specifications. IE: 6 Years.. Hey, be careful out there and keep your eyes open for Rattlesnakes hiding behind the Bushes and underneath any Rocks.
First time to see aftermath of a train wreck up close; thanks for taking us on your journey! At 31:48, that unit with the spring on the end looks like a Coupler for connecting 2 Boxcars together. L-shaped Rod possibly disconnects the latch. At 34:43, looks like 2 Boxcar Connectors that were locked together by that heavy chain so it could stay locked for the crash scene. At 38:20, Great find of a 2 Axle Carriage system, nearly intact. Do you know if the Locomotive Engine was also in the Crash Scene? Hoping you could have explored that part as well. Really wanted to see the Drive Wheel System. Might want to take more precautions for running the “Gauntlet “ in your explores! Watching from Texas!!
Only caboose & a burning box car were involved in actual wreck. They probably weren't about to allow any engines or other rolling stock to be destroyed in picture
Invest in one of the floatable hand grip mounts for your GoPro. It makes them much easier to hold, they are bright orange so are easy to find, and have a wrist loop that keeps them attached to you even if you let go.
awesome video glad to see you found a pretty much full truck that is both set's of wheels springs and everything else connected now some of those parts you can see where they connected still awesome find cool if some of those pieces could be worth something
Without having watched the film🎥 I'm going to guess that they didn't send the locomotive over the side. At 31:20 and 34:40 are the couplers used to hitch the cars together. The cast iron boxes are the stuffing boxes that provided lubrication to the axles/wheels. That piece that was broken, with the writing on it, was one of the lids. It likely said "Keep Maintained And Oiled" Another nice explore! 🙂
It's amazing back in those days when something was so important they needed every little bit of it but once the money dried up they could care less about it but yet those relics are still worth money.
Terr-a-hoot , sounds like Boat . Most of the early trains were built in the North East. If you look down the slopes of the eastern Sierra's , you might spy Wonderhussy climbing up a canyon .
Ouch, Ouch and more Ouch! Very familiar with those thorn bushes. Sorry about the fall - really hope you are okay! What a great hike and discovery and research! Watched the film and you were spot on on where it went off the tracks, first landing and so on. Loved the design of the train wheels! They sure don't make stuff like that any more! Brought back memories of earlier years walking those tracks. :) Great job Jerith! And thank you @royreynolds108 for the information - really fascinating!
Excellent video, you really work hard to see all this. Thanks for adding the name of the movie. A simple search on UA-cam got the clip of the train going over. It appeared to catch fire prob why not much wood
Way cool man video!!! Ya got some battle scars! Amazes me what they went through with the tools they had to get this rail road (and old US80) through the gorge! Imagine the noise that train made coming down the side!
I remember hearing about the St. Charles Car Company. Supossedly the building still exists, but the company was merged into American Car and Foundary Company. I think ACF is still in business today and is headquartered at the same place.
After the battle, after the flame, after the tears and the blood comes the bones. Laying where they fell till nature and desperate men move them, slowly burying themselves because none care to dirty themselves. Broken bits and things indescribable, broken bits with meaningless words inscribed, broken bits of what was once proud left to rot, junk and trash and memories. After the battle comes the quiet, when armies march away, leaving behind the bones and the rust and the fleeting moment of fame.
Great video as always & way to take one for the team. It looks nasty but I'm sure you will be ok. You just make us nervous going out by yourself. Remember the buddy system. Be safe. & thanks for sharing.
At 31:35, Thats a draw bar and Knuckle. It's what actually connects the engines and cars together. In my opinion, that the coolest thing yet. More fingers than we can count have been smashed off by those things.
Really cool adventures bro. I'm stuck at home till I get my new jeep engine built in my kitchen , then I gotta do the actual install in the parking lot of my apartment complex lol. I don't think we have much cool stuff like that anywhere near here. Mine as well cut that piece of palm off lol. They seem to never stick for me but I'm an auto tech so they ain't got a chance to heal
great video just found your channel. as watching i was hoping the locomotive was there, sadly not i enjoyed as in the uk we have nothing like this, looking forward to watching more of your videos. 🙂
Those bits of chassis you found where the betal sides of a wooden bogie. And that peice you asked about 27 minutes in with the holes was the brake adjustment from that bogie
The 'swirly design' is actually reinforcing ribs, cast into the steel. Did you notice that the first wheel had a broken flange? Did that occur during the fall, or was it the cause of the wreck? You've later found a Janney or Buckeye coupling (31.55) and parts of the brake system (33.08), followed by two more Janneys - still almost doing their job of holding the cars together. Essentially you've got the ironwork from two cars, the chassis frames, truss rods, piping, all four trucks and their components. I'm English, only knowing US trains through models and magazines, so I may make odd mistakes, but towards the end you find a brake shoe - the chains will probably be part of the brake gear, connecting the linkage to a hand wheel atop the car; the leaf springs would be mounted between the arch bar (aka diamond frame) side and the beam which connected them across the truck; the bent bar linked to a Janney by chain would be the uncoupling lever. This has been quite a fascinating film; thanks for sharing it.
Great job with the video. I took your advice and downloaded the ID stretch app and checked out a bunch of petroglyphs, pictographs and old cowboy glyphs pictures I have. It did a pretty good job on the graphs but not as well on carved inscriptions. Thanks for the tip.
I repair locomotives and have done so for 47 years. This is just a great find, I have enjoyed the video . On a side note, in the still photo, at 12:38 of the video, there is an object in the sky. It seems that you have found more than old locomotive axles and wheels.
@@fokkerd3red618 Could be, Objects that are unfamiliar are hard to identify in the sky as there is nothing to reference with them as back ground . A drone was not my first thought. but there is not much to go on. love your video though, you have an inquisitive mind and i love how you put the story together. Keep it up. Cheers.
At 12.38 where you see a photo you took of the wheels, I see something in the sky, Do you own a drone?? awesome video, love watching all the cool things you find, hope you heal well. take care
the thing with the springs is the connector between cars, another piece was the brake mechanism you can see the curved brake shoe, air brake cylinder with piston, and a complete car truck unit>
14:26 Seen here is what is called a journal box and those went on both ends of the axles. Locomotives and railroad cars had these up until the 1950's. The purpose of these journal boxes was to provide lubrication to the bearings they housed. They were often filled with oil and were continuously lubricated by a cloth that sat at the bottom of the journal box as the train moved down the tracks. If the box got low on oil, the bearing would overheat. That's where the term "hot box" comes from. To prevent this, the fireman or the engineer would check his train every so often to ensure the journal boxes on each car would have plenty of oil for the trip. Journal bearings fell out of use in favor of roller bearings and roller bearings continue to be used on train axles to this day.
There's a train wheel sitting at the bottom of a waterfall in my local dog park by the Mississippis. I'm not really sure what the history of the park is, but there are quite a few ruins and pieces of machinery sitting around.s
At 26:38, That thing you have your hand on is called a brake shoe. That round thing on the bottom is what you replace. It is what actually rubs on the wheel.
14:40 is a journal box-it held the "brass" or bearing that was on top of the axle journal of the wheelset(the part of the axle outside of the wheel @ 17:43), there are 4 for each truck, the springs went between the spring plank and the bottom of the truck side frame, MCB is the initials of the Master Car Builders for standards, Griffen--Griffen Wheel Company, the 75000/6 yrs is 75000 miles or 6 years of running expected, those wheels are cast iron(notice the broken flange on one of the wheels), 20:30 is a hand grab that went on a car corner or end, 21:32 is a center bearing that went between a car bolster and a truck bolster to support one end of a car, 22:26 are two truck side frames with the journal boxes-these are arch-bar truck side frames, 23:55-this is part of the spring-plank that went over the springs and between the truck side frames that held up the car, 26:28 is part of the brake rods and rigging, the numbers you are seeing are casting numbers, the leaf springs would usually be in a caboose truck, 26:40 is a brake shoe holder with a brake shoe in it, 27:47 is a triple valve from the brake system, 30:41 the left beam is a brake-shoe beam, a brake shoe is on the end of it, the beam that hooks to it pulls it into the wheels to apply the brakes(2 of those per truck), 31:23 is a draft gear-the coupler with spring to help with shocks of slack between the cars(where your hand is would be the attachment area to the car), 32:50 is the brake piston inside the cylinder, 34:35 - 2 couplers, 38:20 a complete truck, 37:27 top center of the shot is a "brass" from a journal box, 39:00 St Charles Car Co of St Charles, MO, might I ask where this is(along the San Diego & Arizona Eastern in Carrizo Gorge)? I looked up the film and it was shot close to Jacumba, CA.
Thank you, I was using your reply while watching the video to help with identifying the parts.
Great item details! Ya, I'm thinking south too. Visited De Anza resort and hiked trail.
Roy: in the movie, the first car over the side is indeed a caboose, so that would probably explain the leaf springs. Fabricated truck frames (archbar) are in short supply in museums nowadays, so these might be of some value. Curious that, except for the coupler/drawbar, some brake parts and the truck frames and wheels, nothing exists of the cars themselves, so we might conclude that someone did some salvage work?
@@hamilton1191 I worked as the track foreman and helped in the shop at the Huckleberry RR at Flint, MI from 4/79 to 10/83. Most of the equipment there was from 1880 to 1920. I have repacked journals and brake cylinders plus reground Type K triple valves.
I also worked on the train and track for the Jefferson & Cypress Bayou RR in Jefferson, TX.
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I can see way every person that found the wreckage for the last 100 years was like ''Yeah I aint carrying that''
Literally me
They may one day change their minds about that. That is pre-detonation iron and steel. It is very rapidly going up in value. It is happening so fast that World War II wreck grave sites are being stolen for the pre-detonation steel that has extra low background radiation levels for super sensitive equipment.
Oh not tonight honey my balls are dragging jusssstttt aasa dragggginnnngggg secret known I was at your sister's cabin all day !!!
@ODSD77 There's probably more Historical value than monetary value for old Iron that'd probably require a group and/or equipment to even haul off :V
Next time go exploring wear gloves and steel toe shoes
The Terre Haute Car MFGT Company was on the Wabash River in Indiana. By 1895 the company had burned down twice, weathered two economic recessions, and been idle in 1893-1895. The company began operations again, announcing on Feb 1st it would go into full production. That wheelset was made shortly after work resumed. At this point it had been substantially enlarged from the previous two iterations and it employed over 1000 men. It merged with American Car and Foundry.
Yes indeed! Great Research. The City is pronounced "Terra Hote".... "High Land" - back in its French days. Nice town to visit.
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Yeah embarassingly that was the only useful 2c i was thinking of adding too :) lol
(haute like haute quisine)
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FunnY story about how Steve Martin used to joke about the town ...so they invited him on a tour of the town
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They purposely scheduled it so the limousine got cutoff multiple multiple times by the frieght-trains rolling through town :) lol
awesome ❤🎉
were the Terre Haute wheels measuring 36 " ?
Hey, Daniel, that's good historical and investigative journalism that is truly top notch!... thanks, brother, Arthur Banks... (Ngai)
I love it when you take us to 'Old Timey Town' in your videos with all the old stuff you find. Even if you get battered and bloodied all the way! 😊
I used to explore like this, a LOT. Buildings, a few mines, old sites like these. I'm older now and can still do some of it, but not like that anymore. I only recently found your channel and wanted to say thank you for spending the time to do this so that others of us can see things we'd never otherwise see. And, I admire your perseverance for continuing after banging your hands up like that, and especially through those thorns. I probably wouldn't have tackled those thorns even when I was younger. lol. Stay safe, thank you for the videos, and thank you for the great attitude you have in your videos. None of us know everything, and it's refreshing to see someone ask for others input when you aren't sure what things are. Too many explorers these days try to act like they know everything about everything. I like your approach to this. Stay safe out there my man!!
I certainly appreciate your personal injuries in the making of this documentary fillum. I hope you healed successfully. Love your work as always. Your enthusiasm is infectious.
I've hiked the whole track over 3 days! Found little Chinese folks shoes down in the canyon and the sheds down there to store the explosives! The wooden trestle and the mile long tunnel are both impressive! Watch out for rattlesnakes and the cactus!🤗🤣👍🏼
So cool that you showed the partial assembly with wheels at the top of the hill because it contained a lot of parts that you showed separately near the bottom. Enabled us to see how they fit together!
I am honestly surprised you weren't bit by a snake. No snake boots and picking up pieces of metal, sneks just love to hide under stuff like that.
Some people like to live dangerous short lives, nothing wrong with that.
Excellent video! 😊 The assembly of 4 wheels & associated hardware you found towards the end of the video is called a “truck”: a lot of the pieces you found further down the hillside were pieces of trucks where the wheels & axles separated from the truck side frames as they crashed down the hillside. The part that had pipe connections didn’t handle water, it was a part of the air brake system called a “ triple valve”, which controlled the air into & out of the air brake cylinder that you found smashed open, showing the brake piston inside. A lot of the hardware connected by cotter pins that you found were brake rigging parts; the brake piston would push or pull them as mechanical linkages to move the brake beams which held the brake shoes (the smaller curved metal pieces you found) up against the wheel treads to apply or release the brakes. The chains would have been part of the hand brake system on the cars to apply the brakes when parked on a railroad side track.
You also found 3 couplers, a pair of them that looked to have been from 2 rail cars where they were coupled together. The style of truck parts that you found were called “Andrews” trucks that were in common use around 1900; while some of these survive in railroad museums, they are illegal for modern use. Railroad freight car bodies of that period were mostly wood, so what you see surviving from the wreck are most of the metal parts used in freight cars of that period.
You’ve also got to be pretty athletic to be scrambling up & down that hillside as you did!😅
Again, very enjoyable video.
I’ve hiked a lot of that railway and I’ve seen metra cars that were never picked back up when the railway shut down,some old burnt passenger cars seemed to be around from the 70s, the things we see in this video and much more! There’s even some engines when you reach the desert
That was some pretty cool stuff. Not something you see everyday, old train parts. Thanks for taking us along and dealing with all those Thorn bushes, Och!
I am intrigued to see the parts of the trucks from the cars that were wrecked as they are almost the same as the trucks under a preserved British wagon from the London & North Eastern Railway which is still in use by the civil engineering department of the North Yorkshire Moors Railway. I made some new brake bars and rods for it about 15 years ago and to see the same pieces in a wrecked train from the U S A was quite an eye opener! The diamond frame made of steel bars is virtually identical, even the castings that held the bars together look similar in design. Sad to see them just rotting away out in the wilds after all these years. Only major difference is that our wagon has side buffers and hook and chain couplings rather than buckeye couplers. The rest of the complete truck looks as though it would fit right in!
Thanks for taking the risks and the loss of skin to film it for us to see in your excellent video.
I would have been worried about snakes. I always wear tall boots and leather work gloves when I rip into old stuff. Even then I seem to get some damage like you did. Chiggers are another fun addition to the terrain as well. Great video, thanks for taking us along.
Early wheels had the spirow on the inside of the wheel. Early trucks were made of flat stock whereas current trucks are cast steel. I saw a lot of parts from trucks including journal boxes and springs. Chains were used to keep the cars from rocking too far to each side. At about 31 minutes you were looking at coupler and drawbar assembly. Round donut was one of two center plates (one on truck and one on bottom of car) where the pin from the truck aligned and secures the truck to the car body.
The ringing sound of that spring... We're hearing something from a silent movie. That's a first.
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Thanks for showing this train wreck, I went and found the film, it's pretty interesting as it looks like they just left it where you found it. I found the film on Internet archive and the wreck is at 1 hour 10 mins+ into the film.
They did the same with the wreck in 'Ring of Fire' - and the whole train, engine and all, are still there.
@@JohnDavies-cn3rodo you know where that’s located? Do you have Google map coordinates.
Now this is a darn cool explore, thanks for this!
Very cool. I like how thoroughly you're exploring. I acknowledge how hard all that would be to walk around. I'm also grateful you did it. I remember the tunnels from last year, and that trestle you spent all day carefully documenting. That gunsite cliff explore too, so many times you're going through very difficult terrain. I catch myself worrying.
Every explore you do, I'm excited to watch.
Excellent video of your exploration of this early film train wreck. I really appreciate the embedded stills of the more interesting parts - otherwise, to me anyway, it would have seemed like a never ending stream of bits and pieces. The ending scene of the film showing the train cars hurtling over the edge, caboose first, explained why there was no larger wreckage i.e. tender or locomotive. Thanks for including the name of the film. Good stuff! Thanks for documenting the site so well!
For a great book about the construction of the Transcontinental Railroad (1863-1869): Nothing Like it in the World by Stephen E. Ambrose. You won't believe what these men went through constructing bridges and tunnels through the High Sierra Mountains.
This particular railroad, though, is not apart of the Transcontinental Railroad. There's a book called The Impossible Railroad that describes this ill-fated construction project financed by sugar magnate John D. Spreckels. The Carrizo Gorge section defies physics.
Also read "Hear That Lonesome Whistle Blow" about the UP/CP road. What gets me is that, apart from one crude steam shovel on the UP, it was all built by hand. Pick, shovel, muscle and black powder.
Great video dude! I bet the sound of that train crashing in the canyon would've been pretty amazing to hear :)
Watching the scene online, I see why there is little wood left, real fire with no cgi.
Enjoyed your exploration of the site
Fascinating, fine, much more to this video than I was expecting, thanks for the adventure. I have watched several of your videos and conclude that you must be in top physical shape.
All that old steel would be a knife makers heaven, quality stuff right there. Thanks for sharing this.
Oh I hate those thorn bushes!!! What an awesome find!!! Thank you for doing all the work to share this with us. Sorry you got bloodied! You found a lot of cool artifacts at this sight! This is railroad history and movie history. What a find with the two wheel sets that are still attached! Very cool video! Great explore!
Fantastic Finds....thanks for being a Mountain Goat for us, good job on climbing the rocky hill...and hopefully you have a First Aid kit in your back pack.. Stay safe....🚂🚂🚂🚂
Great video! I'm kind of surprised you didn't find a rattlesnake. It's also surprising that this wasn't scrapped for WWII.
Thank you for all you went through to make this video. 😊
Some of the coolest finds I've come across were shrouded in thorny vines. Thanks for the sacrifice.
As someone who's spent a ton of time exploring the desert in AZ over the decades, may I suggest two pieces of kit? Snake chaps and a good set of thick leather work gloves. A side benefit of the chaps (if you go full length) is they also protect your legs from thorny brush, cacti, etc. 👍
Thanks for the really cool explore! It was fascinating. I found footage of the wreck and it was neat to see what the flat car are caboose looked like.
That is an amazing find. So you found wheels, axle boxes, spring sets both leaf and coil, bodies frames, water pump, and drive wheel parts off the locomotive!
Respect for doing the work finding them....just think how long they have been there...amazing
Excellent video and very entertaining. History right in from of our eyes. Thank you.
I always enjoy your videos. Most interesting to explore with you.
We do appreciate you chopping your way through to see some history. Enjoy seeing your finds. We know you are busy but sure have trouble not seeing your videos. 😮😅
Great video, someone mentioned gloves, I always have gloves, anything helps, I used to carry a pair in my back pocket, so I always had them ready to use. Worth their weight in gold!
A complete Archbar truck assembly, Great find!!!
Most of the Antique railroad iron met its end during the war during the scrap metal drives for the war effort. Neat to see the stuff that wasn’t easily recovered didn’t go back to the steel mills.
At 22:12, those are the side frames for the trucks that held the axles and wheels. Specifically, those are called archbar style trucks. You see an entire archbar truck assembly at 38:20.
Great and awesome video with great scenery and train wreck, I love history and old artifacts. Thanks for sharing
Gloves, even lightweight ones, are always needed in terrain like that, long pants too.
Wow! That is so awesome! Now I'm looking for the movie. Thanks for the work to share this. Gloves bubba, never hike without
Search "Beggars of Life & The Dodge Brothers" is the clip you're looking for
At about 31:30 it appears you've found the major part of a coupler between 2 cars and I believe some of the previous parts were also coupler components . Thanks for another interesting explore.
I could be wrong but I believe it is pronounced "Terry Hoat (like boat)". Awesome video as always!
tear -aaa hoat means high ground or highland.
I believe that those numbers that you're seeing as "75000" are the Axle weight limit. And, the time stamp on them are when they're supposed to be either replaced or machined again to the Factory specifications. IE: 6 Years.. Hey, be careful out there and keep your eyes open for Rattlesnakes hiding behind the Bushes and underneath any Rocks.
First time to see aftermath of a train wreck up close; thanks for taking us on your journey! At 31:48, that unit with the spring on the end looks like a Coupler for connecting 2 Boxcars together. L-shaped Rod possibly disconnects the latch. At 34:43, looks like 2 Boxcar Connectors that were locked together by that heavy chain so it could stay locked for the crash scene. At 38:20, Great find of a 2 Axle Carriage system, nearly intact. Do you know if the Locomotive Engine was also in the Crash Scene? Hoping you could have explored that part as well. Really wanted to see the Drive Wheel System. Might want to take more precautions for running the “Gauntlet “ in your explores! Watching from Texas!!
Only caboose & a burning box car were involved in actual wreck. They probably weren't about to allow any engines or other rolling stock to be destroyed in picture
That's definitely a coupler.
Invest in one of the floatable hand grip mounts for your GoPro. It makes them much easier to hold, they are bright orange so are easy to find, and have a wrist loop that keeps them attached to you even if you let go.
awesome video glad to see you found a pretty much full truck that is both set's of wheels springs and everything else connected now some of those parts you can see where they connected still awesome find cool if some of those pieces could be worth something
Without having watched the film🎥 I'm going to guess that they didn't send the locomotive over the side.
At 31:20 and 34:40 are the couplers used to hitch the cars together.
The cast iron boxes are the stuffing boxes that provided lubrication to the axles/wheels. That piece that was broken, with the writing on it, was one of the lids. It likely said "Keep Maintained And Oiled"
Another nice explore! 🙂
It's amazing back in those days when something was so important they needed every little bit of it but once the money dried up they could care less about it but yet those relics are still worth money.
That was amazing! Thank you so much for sharing this adventure!
Excellent explore, thanks for sharing with us!!
Terr-a-hoot , sounds like Boat . Most of the early trains were built in the North East. If you look down the slopes of the eastern Sierra's , you might spy Wonderhussy climbing up a canyon .
Great finds all those old train parts
Ouch, Ouch and more Ouch! Very familiar with those thorn bushes. Sorry about the fall - really hope you are okay! What a great hike and discovery and research! Watched the film and you were spot on on where it went off the tracks, first landing and so on. Loved the design of the train wheels! They sure don't make stuff like that any more! Brought back memories of earlier years walking those tracks. :) Great job Jerith! And thank you @royreynolds108 for the information - really fascinating!
The youtube "Beggars of Life & The Dodge Brothers" shows the train caboose and burning flat car and the wreck setup. Great find.
ua-cam.com/video/kXDTIQdCpxU/v-deo.htmlh19m53s
Griffin Wheel is still in business. One of the last rail car wheel manufacturers in the US.
Excellent video, you really work hard to see all this.
Thanks for adding the name of the movie. A simple search on UA-cam got the clip of the train going over. It appeared to catch fire prob why not much wood
There’s a lot of good knife, making material especially those Springs
Great work. Would love to see the 1965 wreck if you ever happen to venture out that way again.
Wow tunnel is in phenomenal condition!
Way cool man video!!! Ya got some battle scars! Amazes me what they went through with the tools they had to get this rail road (and old US80) through the gorge! Imagine the noise that train made coming down the side!
Keep yer eyes peeled for snakes, buddy. Love the relic tour though. 😮
I recognize this place! Damn, that hand looked nasty! Another great explore!
Neat. If you look at how old wooden train cars were made all those parts make sense.
I remember hearing about the St. Charles Car Company. Supossedly the building still exists, but the company was merged into American Car and Foundary Company. I think ACF is still in business today and is headquartered at the same place.
Watch out for rattlesnakes. Eventually mother nature will reclaim all that metal. Pretty cool video, thanks
After the battle,
after the flame,
after the tears and the blood
comes the bones.
Laying where they fell
till nature and desperate men move them,
slowly burying themselves
because none care to dirty themselves.
Broken bits and things indescribable,
broken bits with meaningless words inscribed,
broken bits of what was once proud
left to rot, junk and trash and memories.
After the battle
comes the quiet,
when armies march away,
leaving behind the bones and the rust
and the fleeting moment of fame.
Excellent video! That's some treacherous terrain. Indeed a machete would have shown those thorn bushes who's boss!
Fact: They're actually working on reopening the line (impossible railroad) for reuse. That's why the tunnels are still in prestine condition.
Uh yes, another couch hiking adventure, thank you sir!❤😅
Another cool video. Thanks! Framer's gloves work great for bouldering. Three fingers are cut off, so you can still work cameras, tie knots, etc.
the wheel is a work of art!
Great video as always & way to take one for the team. It looks nasty but I'm sure you will be ok. You just make us nervous going out by yourself. Remember the buddy system. Be safe. & thanks for sharing.
At 31:35, Thats a draw bar and Knuckle. It's what actually connects the engines and cars together. In my opinion, that the coolest thing yet. More fingers than we can count have been smashed off by those things.
may i say you are the best camera guy
Really cool adventures bro. I'm stuck at home till I get my new jeep engine built in my kitchen , then I gotta do the actual install in the parking lot of my apartment complex lol. I don't think we have much cool stuff like that anywhere near here. Mine as well cut that piece of palm off lol. They seem to never stick for me but I'm an auto tech so they ain't got a chance to heal
always good videos
Love how old things like wheels have dates cast in them
Great find !
That was awesome. There's so much cool stuff there
i will watch all day
great video just found your channel. as watching i was hoping the locomotive was there, sadly not i enjoyed as in the uk we have nothing like this, looking forward to watching more of your videos. 🙂
Those bits of chassis you found where the betal sides of a wooden bogie. And that peice you asked about 27 minutes in with the holes was the brake adjustment from that bogie
The 'swirly design' is actually reinforcing ribs, cast into the steel. Did you notice that the first wheel had a broken flange? Did that occur during the fall, or was it the cause of the wreck? You've later found a Janney or Buckeye coupling (31.55) and parts of the brake system (33.08), followed by two more Janneys - still almost doing their job of holding the cars together. Essentially you've got the ironwork from two cars, the chassis frames, truss rods, piping, all four trucks and their components.
I'm English, only knowing US trains through models and magazines, so I may make odd mistakes, but towards the end you find a brake shoe - the chains will probably be part of the brake gear, connecting the linkage to a hand wheel atop the car; the leaf springs would be mounted between the arch bar (aka diamond frame) side and the beam which connected them across the truck; the bent bar linked to a Janney by chain would be the uncoupling lever. This has been quite a fascinating film; thanks for sharing it.
Um, the wreck was filmed for a movie stunt, so no, not the cause of the wreck.
Use a colon (:) instead of a decimal (.) to create a blue tappable link to place a viewer to a specific point in a video.
Example: 31:55
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Great job with the video. I took your advice and downloaded the ID stretch app and checked out a bunch of petroglyphs, pictographs and old cowboy glyphs pictures I have. It did a pretty good job on the graphs but not as well on carved inscriptions. Thanks for the tip.
Those bits you've come across in the first few minutes have been moved several times over the years.
Bleeding for your GoPro!
The one wheel that he read, Terre Haute was awesome!!! A little history of Terre Haute.. Love it!!😀😁
Hope your hand is healing, thanks for the video
I repair locomotives and have done so for 47 years. This is just a great find, I have enjoyed the video . On a side note, in the still photo, at 12:38 of the video, there is an object in the sky. It seems that you have found more than old locomotive axles and wheels.
I went back and looked at what you saw. Think it's a drone?
@@fokkerd3red618 Could be, Objects that are unfamiliar are hard to identify in the sky as there is nothing to reference with them as back ground . A drone was not my first thought. but there is not much to go on. love your video though, you have an inquisitive mind and i love how you put the story together. Keep it up. Cheers.
At 12.38 where you see a photo you took of the wheels, I see something in the sky, Do you own a drone?? awesome video, love watching all the cool things you find, hope you heal well. take care
good find
the thing with the springs is the connector between cars, another piece was the brake mechanism you can see the curved brake shoe, air brake cylinder with piston, and a complete car truck unit>
P.s. this is a great video. Lots of hard work. Refreshing.
14:26 Seen here is what is called a journal box and those went on both ends of the axles. Locomotives and railroad cars had these up until the 1950's. The purpose of these journal boxes was to provide lubrication to the bearings they housed. They were often filled with oil and were continuously lubricated by a cloth that sat at the bottom of the journal box as the train moved down the tracks. If the box got low on oil, the bearing would overheat. That's where the term "hot box" comes from. To prevent this, the fireman or the engineer would check his train every so often to ensure the journal boxes on each car would have plenty of oil for the trip. Journal bearings fell out of use in favor of roller bearings and roller bearings continue to be used on train axles to this day.
There's a train wheel sitting at the bottom of a waterfall in my local dog park by the Mississippis. I'm not really sure what the history of the park is, but there are quite a few ruins and pieces of machinery sitting around.s
At 26:38, That thing you have your hand on is called a brake shoe. That round thing on the bottom is what you replace. It is what actually rubs on the wheel.
I would love the leaf springs would make cool ends for a coffee table.