...or how to paint Tyranids as Xenomorphs. (Hive Fleet Hadley's Hope) | Duncan Rhodes

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  • Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
  • It's no secret that Tyranids were inspired by a certain classic sci-fi franshise and we figured we'd have some fun painting one in the scheme of the Xenomorphs from Aliens... and remember “They mostly come out at night, mostly.”...
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    Paints used:
    Chaos Black Spray
    Corvus Black
    Stormvermin Fur
    Oblivion Black (TTC) or Nuln Oil
    Doom Death Black (TTC) or Abaddon Black
    Griffon Claw (TTC) or Rakarth Flesh
    Archaic Sepia Wash (TTC) or Seraphim Sepia
    Carcharadon Grey (TTC) or Administratum Grey
    Kantor Blue
    Gravestone Blue (TTC) or Fenrisian Grey
    White Star (TTC) or Matt White (AP)
    Flayed One Flesh
    'Ardcoat
    Splash Gel (Gamer Grass)
    Nurgle's Rot
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  • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
    @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 роки тому +138

    Okay, line up Marines! We hope you guys enjoy this one. Remember to leave a like and subscribe if you enjoyed the tutorial and if you want to see more exclusive content like this then why not join the Academy (duncanrhodes.com). Now let's see how many Aliens quotes we can get in the comments below!

    • @montlejohnbojangles8937
      @montlejohnbojangles8937 2 роки тому +3

      My absolute all time favourite movie, I'm pretty sure I've still got kind of a crush on Ripley.
      Now you heard the man, assholes and elbows!

    • @khaoc6737
      @khaoc6737 2 роки тому +2

      How would you go about wings with this theme?

    • @Heath86
      @Heath86 2 роки тому +1

      Love this. Seeing some tutorials to change their heads to be xenomorph like has really made me want some tyranids to make this way

    • @philurbaniak1811
      @philurbaniak1811 2 роки тому +2

      Brilliant mate 👍👍
      Lv-1 Nid Noob to Lv-426 Zenomorph Enjoyer!

    • @hammer1349
      @hammer1349 2 роки тому

      Now we need some catachans/cadians bashed together, converted and painted up to be colonial marines. Smart guns are probably the hardest part though

  • @Fagerlund_
    @Fagerlund_ 2 роки тому +358

    The smoothness with which Duncan sneaks in references and quotes from the movies is just excellent. Well done sir, you're a gentleman and a scholar!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 роки тому +45

      It nearly broke Rog and me a few times 🤣

    • @rexaxis3450
      @rexaxis3450 2 роки тому +10

      This one and the obi wan painting guide have the best references

    • @MegaDoom101
      @MegaDoom101 2 роки тому +9

      I caught this too when he said he kept a brush for close encounters, I have no idea how he managed to deliver that line straight faced without doing a Hicks impression.

    • @FunkBastid
      @FunkBastid 2 роки тому +1

      Every time it activated the single functioning neuron in my brain

    • @knightsofrreee7961
      @knightsofrreee7961 11 місяців тому +1

      Mostly black, mostly.

  • @monochromeboi267
    @monochromeboi267 2 роки тому +226

    “Apply the wash all over man, all over!” Lmao
    Can tell you had just as much fun making up puns here as you did when painting Obi-Wan

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 роки тому +41

      Yup, we sure did. Our favorite is probably keeping the AP detail brush for close encounters! 😂 Almost ruined the shot when we were filming, we broke when we cut 🤣

    • @gatesofnocturne3700
      @gatesofnocturne3700 2 роки тому +5

      He did the same thing painting Forge World Metalica XD

    • @marcello9476
      @marcello9476 Рік тому

      The way he said it in a monotone voice made it even funnier lol 😆

  • @seannicholls3641
    @seannicholls3641 2 роки тому +84

    When I was 12, I was getting back in to warhammer with my dad, I collected tyranids and tried to make them like xenomorphs, god I wished I had this video to help me back then lol

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 роки тому +27

      Better late than never lol

    • @Willqer
      @Willqer 2 роки тому +6

      *like xenomorphs I presume? :D

    • @seannicholls3641
      @seannicholls3641 2 роки тому +1

      @@Willqer yeah I hadn’t even noticed I put tyranids twice lol

    • @matthinton19
      @matthinton19 2 роки тому

      @@Willqer always one isn’t there

  • @fabioseccatore9860
    @fabioseccatore9860 2 роки тому +106

    That extra "mostly" was 🔥

  • @autisticpainter4079
    @autisticpainter4079 2 роки тому +25

    Best xenomorph painting tutorial I've seen. I'd love to see this colour scheme on a larger nid like a swarmlord.

  • @tomemaster1744
    @tomemaster1744 2 роки тому +72

    Duncan: “Now this mostly black… mostly.”
    Me: I see what you did there! 😂 I would have named them Hive Fleet Nostromo though… 🤔 I always wanted to do a Hive Fleet inspired by the Collectors of Mass Effect.

    • @isgibson
      @isgibson 2 роки тому +10

      I’m going to admit, I like the idea of using the Collectors so much that I’m pivoting right now while I was picking paints. Welcome hive fleet Harbinger.

    • @tomemaster1744
      @tomemaster1744 2 роки тому +3

      @@isgibson Hah that's EXACTLY what they would have been called. Maybe when I start collecting them proper.

    • @Aln0x
      @Aln0x 2 роки тому +1

      Glad someone else got the “…..mostly” reference!
      My man

    • @Muenni
      @Muenni 2 роки тому +1

      You'll find plenty of awesome conversions in Hive Fleet Nostromo of a hobbyist I saw online.

    • @owenpeterson2054
      @owenpeterson2054 Рік тому +1

      I go with Hive Fleet Furie as a dual reference ti the prison planet in Alien 3, and to keep with the mythical monster motif of naming a Hive Fleet

  • @TheGravespawn
    @TheGravespawn 2 роки тому +2

    Duncan! It was right there! "Hive Fleet LV (Leviathan) 426"!

  • @Drac0blade16
    @Drac0blade16 2 роки тому +35

    Damn you, Paint Man! I was just fine NOT having a reason to buy 'Nnids and exacerbate my crippling addiction to plastic!

  • @Chayat0freak
    @Chayat0freak 2 роки тому +31

    Fun GW fact, when Space Hulk second ed was being developed GW folks were instructed to never refer to the Genestealers as "aliens" as it was feared they were getting dangerously close to Fox's IP

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 роки тому +12

      Wow! That is interesting. It's a great game though, one of GW's best.

    • @NoVACorpsGaming
      @NoVACorpsGaming 2 роки тому +2

      Dangerously tip-toeing around 🤣

    • @Chayat0freak
      @Chayat0freak 2 роки тому +5

      Follow up fun fact about second Ed space hulk. The design brief for the miniatures in the box was that they be snap fit, it was being used as a gateway game into 40k and the idea was kids with no miniatures experiance could build and play with no glue or paint. The terminators worked great and even had a little action figure articulation.. The genestealers... Not so much.

    • @brionl4741
      @brionl4741 Рік тому +1

      Since the original genestealers in the Rogue Trader book were pretty clearly inspired by "Alien" in the first place, the circle is now complete.

  • @DottorHealer
    @DottorHealer 2 роки тому +27

    Gorgeous work as always! The attention to detail in making the teeth 'shiny' like the Xenomorphs is a fantastic touch!

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 роки тому +13

      Thank you so much 😀, yes, we wanted to get that right, not just paint them 'silver' or else they'd look like kitchen knives.

  • @mirage809
    @mirage809 2 роки тому +14

    That carapace though! That has to be the cleanest looking nid I've ever seen. Going with a black on black scheme always has the risk of it all looking too similar, yet here we find a Nid that is all blank and still visually interesting.
    Specular and volumetric highlighting is something I've struggled with, even more so on black. This tutorial is a godsend for me. Also never considered using a colour as strong as Kantor Blue for a highlight or glaze. This requires some experimenting!

  • @NoVACorpsGaming
    @NoVACorpsGaming 2 роки тому +14

    I can’t wait to cut through hordes of ‘Nids in Space Marine 2, I’d love to see a full army in this scheme! Love it.

  • @VooVoo007
    @VooVoo007 2 роки тому +5

    loved the "all over man- all over" and I respect Duncan for providing alternative colors

  • @KabinMiniatures
    @KabinMiniatures 2 роки тому +140

    "Another glorious day in the Hive Fleet. A day in Hadley's Hope is like a day on the farm. Every meal's a banquet. Every paycheck a fortune."

    • @kevinriley1161
      @kevinriley1161 2 роки тому +9

      Every formation a parade! I love the Hive Fleet!

  • @gxrssll
    @gxrssll 2 роки тому +2

    Love how simple the grey is on the body, will be using the same method for my Corsairs of Umbar clothing!

  • @gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954
    @gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 2 роки тому +6

    I always love Xenomorph style Tyranid colour schemes - a great way to acknowledge a huge influence on the Tyranid model range and lore, and a nice nod to a classic sci fi horror (and military sci fi action in Aliens) franchise.

    • @DuncanRhodesDRPA
      @DuncanRhodesDRPA  2 роки тому +4

      Thank you

    • @gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954
      @gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 2 роки тому +1

      @@DuncanRhodesDRPA I have been looking for a very dark Tyranid colour scheme for a Hivefleet of my own invention I am calling Hivefleet Umbra, a re-flavour of Hivefleet Jormanagdr that instead of tunnels specialises in using modified spores to create a pall of unnatural shadows and gloom that its bioforms lurk in and use to terrify, isolate and stalk their prey. I think this colour scheme will be perfect and will allow me to pay my respects to one of my favourite film franchises at the same time. It really is just what I am looking for, so thank you.

  • @brokenheroics8223
    @brokenheroics8223 2 роки тому +2

    Well done. My friends and I always thought an Alien theme would look amazing. Thanks for sharing.

  • @countjeffrey7271
    @countjeffrey7271 2 роки тому +5

    Trying to paint like Duncan...I can't lie about your chances but you have my sympathies.

  • @slanahesh
    @slanahesh 2 роки тому +1

    I'm going to have to bookmark this purely for the slime effects around the mouth and gun barrel. Genius.

  • @willmendoza8498
    @willmendoza8498 2 роки тому

    That double "mostly" at the beginning was

  • @edpistemic
    @edpistemic Рік тому

    Magnificent! It looks perfect. The perfect organism.

  • @Delectable_Medley
    @Delectable_Medley 2 роки тому +2

    Love all the subtle references you inserted into this!

  • @Vanastar
    @Vanastar 2 роки тому +6

    First off, congrats on making the drool and the flesh of the gun look absolutely minging, you really got that effect achieved.
    Second, this guide will make a great starting point for an idea I've had for several years now of painting up some Tyranids like deep-sea creatures with bio-luminescent bits. Now the main things I'll need to do is decide which bits I want to glow, and get good at object-source lighting.

    • @DickWindu
      @DickWindu 2 роки тому +3

      Eyes and claws, I did a couple deathwatch killing tyranids and use Vallejo fluo for edge highlights, it words surprisingly well

    • @thomasstockdale1783
      @thomasstockdale1783 2 роки тому +1

      I would suggest the vent like gaps in the flesh and possibly the gun ammo. Deep sea creatures use their bio-lights for hunting and distraction so maybe the nids can hide their glow under skin flaps etc. Would look amazing

    • @Vanastar
      @Vanastar 2 роки тому

      @@thomasstockdale1783 You know, I've tought about this, and what I came up with was that maybe these 'nids would use the glowing patches like zebra's stripes; to hide their numbers and confuse anything trying to attack them as to where one 'nid ends and another begins.
      But your idea sounds good, too.

  • @The_Bat
    @The_Bat 2 роки тому +16

    I only ever bought one of the original Genestealers, during the eighth decade of the last millennium.
    I have been waiting 33 years for a suitable painting tutorial in 'Aliens' colouring.
    I saw the pics on Instagram yesterday, and hope you'd release the vid, thank you so much Duncan.
    Time to watch the betamax again.

    • @Swooper86
      @Swooper86 2 роки тому

      Wait, we're genestealers out back to in the seventies?

  • @Ki_Niko
    @Ki_Niko 2 роки тому

    Love to see more of these guys! More Hive Fleet Hadley's Hope!

  • @noblegalifreyan4551
    @noblegalifreyan4551 2 роки тому +1

    I remember other yotubers doing a similarly inspired schemes. It's great to see people taking inspiration from others.

  • @lupo1185
    @lupo1185 2 роки тому

    I love it, when you casually sneek in those movie-references!

  • @Crab4Kaine
    @Crab4Kaine 2 роки тому +1

    The way you chuck in references so drily is amazing. Also awesome tutorial, I will totally be going with this scheme for my Nids!

  • @mikecouzens6606
    @mikecouzens6606 2 роки тому +1

    Brilliant and really enjoyed the subtle quotes from the films too! Would love to see more content based on this theme

  • @BadgerLovingFluffster
    @BadgerLovingFluffster Рік тому

    Nice touch on the eyes, really sells the xenomorph. That was a great idea.
    Great to see the 'nids going full circle and returning to their true roots!

  • @rybsmith
    @rybsmith 2 роки тому

    The buttery smoothness with which Duncan dropped in call backs was perfect.

  • @emdee0014
    @emdee0014 2 роки тому +2

    I gave this a thumbs up before I even watched it. Anything with Xenomorphs in the title is awesome!

  • @johnpace5774
    @johnpace5774 2 роки тому +1

    Nicely done, Duncan……mostly!

  • @retzius75
    @retzius75 2 роки тому +1

    Really enjoyed this one Duncan!

  • @tomhadman1110
    @tomhadman1110 3 місяці тому

    Love this scheme! painted about 2500 points worth of my Nids in this style so far and loving how they've turned out. The highlights somehow manage to keep the xenomorph 'feel' whilst simultaneously giving a nice dash of colour that prevents the model from looking like a tryanid shaped black void on the tabletop. Thanks for creating this!

  • @lewistingler9548
    @lewistingler9548 2 роки тому +3

    Game over man.

  • @CarlConstantine
    @CarlConstantine 2 роки тому +1

    When I first saw Tyranids I immediately thought of them as Xenomorphs. Happy to see someone take that to the next step and paint them that way. Great tutorial. I might try this if I get some Tyranids myself.

  • @rickyl3136
    @rickyl3136 2 роки тому +6

    Your videos are always so beautifully edited. It's awesome.

  • @Zaprozhan
    @Zaprozhan 2 роки тому

    Having the gun muzzle "drooling" is a wonderful touch.

  • @davidnunez7916
    @davidnunez7916 2 роки тому +4

    Wow! Now I want to start a Tyranid army just to recreate the last stand of Hadley's Hope. Starting like now!

  • @gameswithtoasty3246
    @gameswithtoasty3246 2 роки тому

    Excellent scheme, and an awesome vid.

  • @noahevans5702
    @noahevans5702 2 роки тому +1

    I love it! You blended the two styles together so well, it looks awesome!

  • @seanmorgan2257
    @seanmorgan2257 2 роки тому

    Once again Duncan awesome job

  • @thegoodlifeonlybettr
    @thegoodlifeonlybettr Рік тому

    The casual drop of quotes from Aliens make this video mostly hilarious, mostly. Really cool scheme, and great video as always!

  • @Anuduin
    @Anuduin 2 роки тому

    Thanks so much for this! Loved all the subtle nods to the movies as well. Great work, as always mate.

  • @magnusmillerwilson
    @magnusmillerwilson 2 роки тому

    Pure genius and well-executed!

  • @LinkiePup
    @LinkiePup 2 роки тому

    I needed my daily dose of Dunc.
    Thank you Dunc!

  • @Uelimitemgwehrli
    @Uelimitemgwehrli 2 роки тому

    wow this is so cool, looking forward to get the kickstarter paints :D keep it up!

  • @pentacosttb2565
    @pentacosttb2565 2 роки тому

    This is so good I wish I could like it twice.

  • @reddragon4482
    @reddragon4482 2 роки тому +1

    Incredible, good job dude.

  • @gedmcloughlin866
    @gedmcloughlin866 2 роки тому

    This is my favourite painting tutorial EVER!!

  • @smoessmee
    @smoessmee 11 місяців тому

    Using a Xenomorph inspired scheme for Tyranids, on Xenomorphs :D Honestly this is the best painting guide I've found for the actual Aliens figures ;)

  • @Maztermox
    @Maztermox 2 роки тому

    Looks amazing!

  • @denniscohle3786
    @denniscohle3786 Рік тому +2

    As a huge Aliens Fan this was gold for me. I don't even paint or play Warhammer anymore. Just like to watch painting

  • @JeanParisot
    @JeanParisot 2 роки тому

    This is so awesome!

  • @kytothejelley
    @kytothejelley 2 роки тому

    Probably the most natural and well executed Aliens scheme I've seen.Not surprised it was Dunc's take on it.

  • @butsutekkai1
    @butsutekkai1 2 роки тому +1

    Man that reference when the washes started was outrageous. The detail brush one made me actually groan.
    Awesome scheme though! It's the one we've all never got round to I'm sure, and it being so uniform in colour is definitely a factor. Cheers for the ideas and techniques!

  • @Bizkitz1986
    @Bizkitz1986 2 роки тому

    This is exactly the video I needed. I had an idea and been too scared to put paint to plastic. Brilliant 👏

  • @stuffandnonsense8528
    @stuffandnonsense8528 2 роки тому +1

    I have always wanted to do a xenomorph army. This is perfect.

  • @miketeeveedub5779
    @miketeeveedub5779 2 роки тому +3

    "In Space, no one can hear you pray to the Emperor!"
    How do you make a Tyranids even more terrifying? Give it a Xenomorph paint scheme. Brilliant!

  • @karljunokas1913
    @karljunokas1913 2 роки тому +1

    Nice, I’ve been sitting on the Space Hulk genestealers for ages with no idea how to do them. This scheme is just perfect for them

  • @murielcunningham8703
    @murielcunningham8703 2 роки тому +4

    LETS ROCK!

  • @tibblesworth7522
    @tibblesworth7522 2 роки тому

    Just wanted to stop by and offer my sincere thanks as a brand-new mini painter! Everyone talks about thinning your paints, but you're the first i've seen that shows ideal consistencies. It's helped me out so much and i've now identified that everything i've done is faaar too thickly applied! Bleh.

  • @WarOfWolves
    @WarOfWolves 2 роки тому

    This is such a neat idea.

  • @johnkelley9877
    @johnkelley9877 2 роки тому

    This was very helpful and the model looks great! I can this technique would look good on any black armor. Thanks for sharing this.

  • @boboshobby
    @boboshobby 2 роки тому

    Very nice! Really like the video and the quotes from the aliens

  • @garfusa2
    @garfusa2 2 роки тому

    I feel like youd like the minis from another glorious day in the corps.
    Might use this for those I have to paint!

  • @plunetzero
    @plunetzero 2 роки тому

    this is the best xeno paint job ive ever seen!
    i didnt think a good paint scheme was possible. duncan did it again.

  • @MrJones31
    @MrJones31 2 роки тому

    Now I have to start a tyranid army :D. Thanks for the video!!

  • @JynxBlack13
    @JynxBlack13 2 роки тому +1

    This was sooooo cool Duncan! I have been painting my Tyranids like Xenos for years but not like this! I decided to use purple as the carapace color and a bright plasma green for the weapons and maws. this gives me great ideas for changing up the scheme a bit. Thanks again for all that you do, cant wait to get my grubby American hands on your paint when its available!

  • @alphaleigpyne
    @alphaleigpyne 2 роки тому +4

    This Termagant and it's brood will make a great representation of the Parasite of Mortrex.

  • @Maverick5588
    @Maverick5588 2 роки тому

    God damn i love this. Absolutely perfect model

  • @bellportbattlebunker4682
    @bellportbattlebunker4682 2 роки тому +1

    Classic and totally awesome! "The sarge is still alive, man. His vitals are real low but he's alive!" "You can't save them, thy are being cocooned just like the others." Thanks for sharing.

  • @mikebroadwater
    @mikebroadwater 2 роки тому +1

    "painted mostly black. Mostly." Well done, sir.

  • @matthewsmith2979
    @matthewsmith2979 2 роки тому

    This is great! Got the Aliens boardgame and it's expansions recently and was wasn't sure how to paint the aliens. This is a big help

  • @MariusGage
    @MariusGage 2 роки тому

    Oh this is awesome, I’ve always wanted to paint a xenomorph!

  • @sebastianlindberg2976
    @sebastianlindberg2976 Рік тому

    I know I'm late to the party but man, this was what I've been looking for! Spot on mate!

  • @stujm84
    @stujm84 2 роки тому +1

    Ahh awesome job! The Aliens films (or the first 2 anyway) are amazing and it makes complete sense to carry the aesthetic over to 40k on a 'Nid. Now all we need is some Guards painted like Marines (and a deck of cards.)

  • @kempo79
    @kempo79 2 роки тому

    "They are mostly black... Mostly"! Love those little references to a movie. ;)

  • @RaymondMakowski
    @RaymondMakowski 2 роки тому +2

    Awesome. Now just paint 59 more and you'll be all set! :)

  • @alexwilliams6022
    @alexwilliams6022 Рік тому

    "This is black, mostly." 🤣 smooth as the paint job!

  • @thomasbraden8242
    @thomasbraden8242 10 місяців тому

    Love this scheme.

  • @centretotheleft
    @centretotheleft 2 роки тому

    This is an amazing paint scheme…

  • @jackdipompeo7732
    @jackdipompeo7732 2 роки тому

    Thanks Duncan!

  • @Poynting_Vector
    @Poynting_Vector 2 роки тому

    I love the drool effect, might steal that for my own bugs.

  • @Btk4813
    @Btk4813 2 роки тому +1

    Lol man I love the fact that we can tell you have seen Aliens far to many times.

  • @VentedHalo
    @VentedHalo 2 роки тому

    My cousin phoned me asking for advice last week about how to paint Tyranids as Xenomorphs. The timing of this is unbelievable. Thanks guys!

  • @CrimsonTemplar2
    @CrimsonTemplar2 2 роки тому

    Excellent technique!

  • @evileyeball
    @evileyeball 2 роки тому

    Thank you so much for this Duncan... This is Very similar (In terms of the darkness not wholly in terms of the colours) to what I had in mind for my Tyranid Kill team I am working on but at present I had only primed the models black. so this is a great resource for me :) I'm excited to get time to paint them.

  • @jorgenpinoy1724
    @jorgenpinoy1724 2 роки тому

    As a big fan of the first 2 alien Movies, I have to say that your work is awesome, super🤘🤘... Mr patton would say.... game over man😁

  • @tylerpeck9754
    @tylerpeck9754 2 роки тому

    loved the video, Duncan!! really enjoyed that you used Citadel as well as your own line of paints!

  • @Sligg
    @Sligg 2 роки тому

    The puns were absolutely fantastic.

  • @codyray909
    @codyray909 Рік тому

    I usually paint Space Marines but it’s always fascinating to see tutorials for other factions.

  • @bringbattlewargaming8720
    @bringbattlewargaming8720 2 роки тому

    Brilliant and lost count how many times you gave a nod the Aliens 😂😂

  • @grimwarden4720
    @grimwarden4720 Рік тому

    hey Duncan, you just made my day.... as an old (really old) lover of the ALIEN-Movies, (Aliens just running now), I always played with the idea of an Aliens-themed tyranid army... that "fire" was restoked, with the anouncment of the Leviathan-Box....
    Let's pray, I can get the hands on a box... cursed be all the scalpers... Nids for me, Marines for my son!
    Greetings from grimwarden

  • @Sybaritepainting
    @Sybaritepainting 2 роки тому

    Love it!

  • @40kEvilEd209
    @40kEvilEd209 2 роки тому

    I was just discussing this at my local game store this week, on how I wanted to paint my Nids like this! Thank you!

  • @FunkBastid
    @FunkBastid 2 роки тому

    I’ve been thinking of a good way to do this for some time. Glad a much better painter than me did it first

  • @StygianSkunk
    @StygianSkunk Рік тому

    Looks great! I like the glassine teeth effect, will definitely use something similar to my Jormungandr fleet!