In the book yes, but they made no effort to portray him as such in the movie. (The movie shows him as a resident of Buenos Aires but the actor they cast doesn't look or act like he's from Argentina in the least bit.)
Wait... so you're telling me that they will reboot the movie with a PG-13 rating? HOW? Will the bugs dance the dance of love and peace, holding hands, while the troopers run laps around them?
Advice_Daybreak hopefully at worst, it'll be slightly less nudity and less blood. Had a quick read up it's meant to be truer to the book, if that's the case less nudity is inevitable.
No Facism in the book. Completely different government system movie barely touches on the actual Federation from the book and the new director for the reboot loves the book and wants it more like the book
It is obvious that a Brain bug and Xenomorph Queen got drunk and did god knows what to each other and 9 months later we got Tyranids. Well at least that is my head canon.
He didn't try to quit the army because of the girlfriend situation. He was responsible for the accidental death of a fellow trooper in boot camp and that led to him wanting to quit.
Was he tho? It’s the helmet scene right? The guy who *got shot from the chin through his head. All wearing the helmet would have done would have been to maybe contain the brain splatter. More the fault of the trigger finger solider who shot him, not the main character.
When I saw this movie the first time, I came to agree with Rico's mother; Carmen was just a 'silly little girl' who wanted to look handsome in a uniform. It was also fairly clear from the beginning that her feelings for Rico were nowhere near as strong as his were for her. I wasn't surprised when she broke up with him to pursue a career in the navy.
I remember hating her too, all the scenes of Rico having a hard time in boot camp (living with the guilt of killing his comrade, being whipped, getting dumped over the phone, and just being in a boot camp) and theres the stark contrast of the girl racing her friends to the cockpit of a spaceship like she doesn't have a care in the world and everyone just loving her. Also I feel like she nearly killed the entire crew by changing their course direction and then nearly hit an asteroid, which takes out their satellite so they can't warn earth about the asteroid but she gets promoted because she narrowly missed it.-_-
The reason why every senior member was severely injured was because the only MI members who were allowed to do desk jobs were the ones who were missing limbs, etc. The intact older MI members are senior leadership, and all officers actively fight in battles instead of leading from afar. The problem is that this is based on a book about duty and service and the film keeps a lot of the details that make perfect sense in the book without giving any of the background or introspection that brings the sense to the absurdity. For instance, the Mobile Infantry are heavily armored soldier/technicians who pilot mech suits, not just guys in grey clunky armor and crappy helmets.
@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo The film fails to criticise or satirise a supposed fascist society, showing no negative aspects of the society at all aside from the horrors of war.
@@firefker what are you talking about? It shows how the system changes Rico from a Young lad who was kind of open minded into another cog in the system, or how you need to be part of the military to have certain civil rights, though that is also in the book. Also there is the subtle idea that the meteor was actually an attack by the same State to start the war since, you know, how are the bugs going to shoot a meteor millions of light years away. The movie does touch a lot of elements about fascism and authoritarism.
@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo You missed Heinlein's message from the book entirely. He made a statement that citizenship should mean something. If you don't participate become involved in the society you live, other than to take advantage of the perks and benefits, why should you have a say? There are tons of folks who just exist. They're not helping to build a society, they are just there. In the book, there were other aliens, not just the bugs. And some were on humanity's side and some weren't. That was not really translated into the movie. They made it sound like we did it all on our own. Also your interpretation of Rico is off-base. "kind of open minded into another cog" is not the proper interpretation. A young, naive man is thrust into horrible situations where friends and compatriots are viciously killed. You think that he's not going to change?? He shouldn't? It's a testament to war, people change due to the carnage. War shouldn't be pretty and safe nor should it be considered the first action taken. In the book, Heinlein made it clear that the bugs weren't interested in peaceful coexistence with humanity. But because the director omitted the other aliens, we don't get to see that. I actually liked the movie but I am disappointed in that we didn't get a real translation of the book. There was so much more in the book.
@@birddogne666 so the only way of polítical participation is to enlist in the army and go and kill other living beings, yes, how authoritarian. And what are these people who never do anything yet get all the perks?
If you ever noticed, in a lot of made up military movies the nazi style of dress is used or hit on because let’s face some truth for a second. The Nazis has a sense of flair and they looked great.
I read the book, haven't seen the movie. The book made the point that only those willing to serve the country should have a choice in how it's run, so the franchise was only given to those who served. Service could be in the military or in civilian programs, and the government tried to steer people away from the military. Hence the recruiters missing limbs.
@Numinous123 I am actually not all that surprised, given the fact that the movie (although subtely) hints at the fact that maybe, the humans are the bad guys as well. As far as I remember, you never see a bug attack a human unprovoked, the humans always shoot first. All of the fighting takes place on foreign planets that were home to the bugs first, so humans are invading their space. And what are Neil Patrick Harris' famous last lines when reading the hive mind's mind? It's not stoic, or angered, or brooding, as most captured bad guys in any movie ever created are depicted. It's afraid. This bug is scared out of its mind, because the freaking invaders won. They will murder its entire species. And from its perspective, without any reason whatsoever.
I thought the reason why Rico tried to leave was because of the training incident that happened when that guy got his head blown out when taking of his helmet
"It's a miracle! God spoke to me today! I heard his voice, it was all around me!" "What did he say?" "Penis!" "And so our first-born shall be named. It has been ordained by Heaven."
Imagine if Karl had a few cubes of ice in his beer cup, that would drive the fans into a frenzy. BTW, Johnny Ricco wasn't american, he was from Buenos Aires.
Yes, Filipino living in Buenos Aires. And that was Heinlein's little detail that he kept from the reader. You assume Rico is Latin American, but he does not reveal his Pinoy heritage until the very end.
I like to believe that in the future, all nation-states of the Americas will have joined the Union. Therefore, according to my head cannon, he's all-American.
I remember reading an interview with the creators when this came out, and he didn't make it sound like satire. Also, the book absolutely wasn't satirical, although I can't say the ethos made it to the screen.
Yeah, Heinland really seemed to believe that a system like that would work, and he put a ton of thought into it. The Verhoven came along and mistook it all for Fascism because he didn't read the book and had someone else just read it and give him the cliffnotes.
@@manualcontrol5581 Heinlein wrote a tonne of different political scenarios in his fiction, though he personally ran from militaristic (he was a reserve Navy officer) to libertarian sex maniac over his career. But the most important thing about the political philosophy in Starship Troopers was that it was a framing device for a story written to entertain teenage boys in the 1950s. He wasn't trying to forment a revolution. That entire period of his writing was essentially boys adventure stories set in a world with Ray guns and rocketships.
I hated Denise Richards character in the movie, mostly because of the way she treated Rico but also because she was the reason for the bug meteor first destroying the communications equipment on her ship making it impossible to send out a warning to others (and getting thanked for being a good pilot) and subsequently the meteor hitting Buenos Aires. All thanks to her more efficient route calculations...
The way Carmen is walking smiling and laughing at the end of the movie after having a massive spike go through her shoulder does my head in too. So much was wrong with her character she wasn’t even needed in the movie
Honestly, Dizzy's death was the one thing that I just really didn't like about the movie. Like, I get the message it was trying to convey, but seriously, Rico and Dizzy deserved to have at least SOME happiness. Because otherwise, everything Rico did throughout the entire movie is pointless.
Jon Tevington that first point wasn't true in the movie, and the movie is the only version of the story that I've experienced, and probably the only version I ever will.
Jon Tevington but I don't really care that much, especially because there's dozens of other things I could spend the same amount of time doing that I actually want to do, including reading dozens of other books that I actually own. Besides, reading the book doesn't change the fact that there's a female character named Dizzy in both the movie and the tv series.
Depends on how you read the book. And how you interpret the cleopatra scene in the book. (you could interpret that as 'anything this society teaches the troopers about history can't be trusted' (a big issue with fascist govs)). Apart from that, I don't recall how the bug conflict started in the book. However, in the book there also are other aliens (skinnies) who also are at war with the humans.
Yes. Humans colonised planets already inhabited by bugs & when the bugs investigated in peaceful curiosity, they got shot to shit. Thus the War started.
Caved Man No, the start of the war isn’t discussed. All we know is that it was ongoing on a small scale until the arachnids launched an asteroid at Earth.
The book is so much better. There are giant dogs in the military that are partnered with a person. Johnny in the book wanted to join that part of the military. The movie completely dropped the skinnies.
There's a much deeper subtext to Starship Troopers, about nationalism, propaganda, deception, and some religious subtext as well. You essentially gained citizenship by joining the military.
The funny thing is the movie tries to convey a dark militaristic future, but it shows a world where gender and racial inequality is effectively erased, thus making the Nazi uniforms purely aesthetic.
as one review so wonderfully put it; "there's no fascism in this movie about fascism; it mistakes having an army for militarism, then mistakes militarism for fascism."
The government in the book was not fascist, ANYONE could win franchise (the right to vote not to own a MacDonald's ) but first they have to prove they can put the welfare of the whole population above their personal welfare, It is an idealistic government system that rejects so many of the people who make the politics of today so grubby. The family of Rico were rich (ie not restricted in any way) but they did not have the right to vote (because they had not earned it but that had not negatively affected them). The core focus of the army (and the book) is honor, duty and especially, personal responsibility. As others have mentioned Rico's native language is Filipino not English. in the book the ethnicity of the characters is ignored and the fact that Rico is not 'American' is revealed as an minor, almost immaterial, afterthought right at the end of the book. (a little Heinlein 'fuck you' to white supremacists) ie. race has become totally irrelevant, the only thing that counts is deeds. Sexism in the book is treated in the same way, boys still lust after girls and do all the grunt work(very 50's, very Heinlein) but the most glamorous jobs in the space navy (captain and pilot) are all done by women because they just happen to be much better at it (another Heinlein 'fuck you' but this time to male supremacists).
Well.... aren't you special? But you missed the point. Most armchair, monday morning badasses do. I'm a natural born US citizen, but I earned my citizenship when I rose my hand and signed that check up to and including my life...
That’s literally what fascists claim to want, in practice they don’t want elections or freedom but still Also we’re talking about the movie not the book, the movie is a satire of fascism and the military industrial complex
If it wasn't taken as satire in 1997, by 2006 its pretty much the most on the head obvious satire of the military industrial complex, the gungho military, and the obsurd leadership of the military maybe it had something to do with invading two countries, declaring job done, then having thousands of troops mangled by IEDs
at abotu 4:10 : I'm starting to agree that this was s secretly brilliant movie ^_^ I mean, look at the body language and expression on the Recruiter. When he releases Rico's hand from his robotic grip, he kind of throws his hand down, and when he says "The Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today" he immediately pulls away from the desk to show his missing limbs, as if he was trying to make the point that his life was destroyed by the military, while not actually being allowed to say it out loud.
The point made by Heinlein was that those who support the civilization deserve to have a say in the government and not just those who are breathing by merit being breathing human beings born within the geographic limits of the government. So the movie takes this idea and pisses on it and makes the government a manipulative evil almost personality that has destroyed these young people who start out funloving and naive. Patriotism is it good for bad is a theme in the book and the central concept is ¿what does an individual owe him or herself and his or her family and local community and the bigger government which is one's country? We can all disagree about how clearly or effectively the book deals with this theme and concept but the movie clearly is not about these two things.
The weird thing about the movie is it's pretty much the opposite of the book. In the book the military does everything to keep from people joining the guy with 1 arm no legs was meant to scare kids away. And Patrick's character was originally Rico's poor friend that ended up dying on Pluto hauling cargo. The book is actually a very different proserviuos story.
OK but the cartoon was very different from the movie, and was awesome. Like if the cartoon tried to just copy the movie, it would have been terrible, but it did it's own thing in the same universe and was awesome. But a PG remake of the movie that was awesome largely because of the over the top action, would just be terrible.
We may very well have different taste, but the amount of bugs getting shot was on point, and the characters and story was good. Also this happened later on in the show so you probably didn't see, but Razak dies and Rico takes over the Roughnecks. And in the Hydora campaign I think they have a brain bug, which they don't explicitly show sucking brains, but you see the holes in the helmets and hear scream. Essentially it did as much as a kids show could do with Starship Troopers.
I mean the book wasnt graphic in detail. You only want an R rated Starship Troopers because of the first film. The film is not exactly 100% accurate to the book.
Yeah I've actually read the book, and there's a good amount of differences. But the thing is as a reboot they totally will want to try and copy the original, instead of doing it's own thing, like what the cartoon series did. (kinda)
Somewhere on UA-cam is another persons Vlog about the day they were hiking near the Great Wall of China and randomly heard somebody shout Penis in the distance.
You might wanna read the book that he stole the title and characters from, since the book is about morals, ethics, and the self sacrifice. Also, Juan Rico was a Philippino. And the best part was him running into his dad in service.
I hated the movie Starship Troopers because I loved the Heinlein novel so much. The second time I watched it, I disassociated from the novel and enjoyed the movie as much as I did RoboCop. In the novel, the MI was exclusively male and the pilots we're exclusively female. Juan "Johnny" Rico was a Filipino. His mother died in Buenos Aires while visiting family. His father lived on in Manila.
He needs to see the film it’s a sci fi classic. I remember watching it on video as a kid in what must have been 98 and my parents cracking up and exclaiming “it has to be satire”, so it wasn’t completely lost on us 90s era dopes.
No, a big part of it was that they had Carmen making out with the other guy from the night of the game back in high school. Then they introduced all of the rest.
I love the “I love BJ” shirt. After watching the video and hearing the story of when you got it I immediately went and told my girlfriend about it. We both shared a laugh.
Quite honestly the main reason for most of the issues the movie had at release was because they didn't say or advertise what the movie actually was. The original novel is something that is pretty much one of the great scifi novels out there, the military has people read it, and they capitalized on the people who were fans of that to try drawing people in to watch the movie. They didn't get the movie they were promised, they got one that seemed to mock what they came to see. The movie was great for what it was, but it did create a massive issue there.
as they address in this video, verhoeven incorrectly assumed that the movie-going public would have caught onto his satyrical nature by now. which they CLEARLY had not done.
The problem with it is that Starship Troopers is, essentially, a modern classic novel. People expected it to be a movie taking the novels setup seriously rather than making it a joke. The satire is something that a lot of people who loved the novel saw as verhoeven mocking a book that means a lot to people and then complaining that they didn't get the joke. The marketing for the movie didn't help much there either... In many ways, it would be the same sort of thing as making a movie with evil, twisted orphans who are pretty much shown as undeserving of any sympathy and calling it Oliver Twist. Then you market it hiding that and pointing towards the classic novel. You'd have a lot of angry people because of it.
I think the male pilot is under appreciated. He's obviously quite talented to be the first officer of that ship at such a young age. He agreed to put rank aside and fight Johnny like a man. He also came to Johnny's rescue at Whiskey Outpost being the last person back on the retrieval ship and told Carmen Johnny was on board. To top it all off he made sure Carmen abandoned ship and even gave her the knife sacrificing himself and saying "One day one of my kind will kill you." I almost feel like Carmen inherited the role of Captain as she has almost no leadership skills to speak of. Which is a real shame because I love the ST : Invasion version of her character alot.
In the book, they had power armor that made halo look stupid. They had tactical nukes, multiple of them, and jet packs, and what not. and they had tanks, they werent just joe smoe facing off against bugzilla
@@mroppossum4100 Nah. The Astartes copied the MI Marauder. (No...seriously. Heinlein's Mobile Infantry were the entire inspiration for the Adeptus Astartes.)
The subtext of the movie is that the bugs were living peacefully off on their own and the humans attacked them provoking the reprisals that kicked off the war.
The movie is NOT about saving the world from the bugs. Sure that's how it's portrayed to the characters, but ignoring the fact that it's impossible for a meteor to travel from the Klandathu system to Earth in any reasonable amount of time (meaning it was either a false flag or natural but blamed on the bugs), even if the bugs DID have something to do with it, we were encroaching in on their territory and it could be argued that we were the aggressors.
"plot magic" The whole asteroid thing was nonsense. Verhoeven was an ass who demolished the book and lowered it to a 3rd grade level. In the book the bugs, while working through a hive structure and with workers and warriors being simple drones to their duties, were NOT stupid. Those bugs built spacecraft, advanced weapons, FTL travel, and cities. They smashed Buenos Aires with a surprise attack using spacecraft, not rocks. In addition it was clear enough in the book that the fight was over property. Both races are smart and growing. Both have an interest in the same real estate to survive. Either your species is growing or shrinking and the bugs want the territory we are on. Differences in matters such as the value of life between the species, recognition of sentience, will and ability to communicate drove the fight.
@@kennethfharkin to a 3rd grade level and you somehow missed the meteors being caused by the bugs was nonsense because it was obvious propaganda to justify the conflict.
Great movie. The directors idea of "satire" is different than most I think. Did a great job of making a fun movie to watch. The scene where the kids are stepping on bugs and the teacher is ecstatic is my favorite.
While the original film was in production, the film company decided to display one of their model bugs at the 1997 World Science Fiction Convention (WorldCon), in the con's marketplace venue (commonly called dealers room or hucksters room). These were science fiction fans, and that year it was in San Antonio,TX so of course the wags had to put up their own sign at the display: LESSER TEXAS HOUSE ROACH. I regret not taking a photo of it when I had the chance.
I hope for that too, but it wont be done without some heavy pollution of the books core ideas. The Roman republicanism style government it promotes will just be painted as Nazism again and publishers wont want to risk the backlash. Maybe in 20-30 years once PC culture is fully exposed and crushed. Although in the meantime I'd settle for a movie that abstains from any politics, but at the very least gets the MI right. Power armour, jet packs and heavy weapons in all their glory. Not Human wave 'tactics' with rifles and flak vests getting slaughtered like the Chinese in Korea.
I'm not sure that they would follow the book. While it would be nice. Remakes that actually follow the written source materials instead of going their own way have been panned to a fair extent unfortunately. specially in the sci-fi/action genre. Total Recall is a fine example of a book being much closer and better portraying the source materials. yet many hated it because it wasn't a remake of the actually poorly done movie with Arnold since the movie is considered so Iconic.
Funny enough the book actually has the theme that a few well trained specialists in powered armor are the evolution of the military and replace mass assaults. And also, everyone fights, from the cook to the priest. There are no infantry soldiers not actually fighting. The movie is funny and satirical in and of itself but fails to show a lot of the merits of the original story.
The satire didnt work for me because the "nebulous threat" was in fact a serious unwavering threat! It wasnt like the warmongering humans were doing anything particularly wrong when facing a truely murderous enemy. At least in the novel they were treated as another sentient race, along with the second alien race.
The forever war might work well for you then. Very similar to star ship troopers, but also dealing with PTSD and that wars are fought over stupid ridiculous things.
Fighting Aliens that hurl asteroids at your planet is not a stupid war. You'd be dead without it. Let me guess, you're one of these anti-Trump leftists confused about what gender you are?
Except they weren't a threat. They literally didn't instigate any of the conflict, even the thing they got blamed for was pretty obviously propaganda as the bugs have no way to slingshot a meteor yet alone get it to hit Earth anywhere near that quickly. The bugs were dangerous yes, but they were only ever fought on their planets, not the human worlds. We only saw the bugs reaction to facing a truly murderous enemy.
They brought her back during the third movie. They actually never got back together. It actually showed her with her Fiance which was a high up in the chain of command.
no one seems to remember that its based on a novel by robert heinlein. and the novel was less about fighting the bugs and more about putting a mirror up to society, and showing its best and worst features.
I didn't get it was a satire back in the day (I was a kid, that's my excuse) and i hated it. Now that I get it I appreciate it more, but the people who are scary are the ones who both didn't understand that it was satire AND liked the message of the movie.
The film is fun, but should never be considered the real Starship Troopers. The novel was game changing and must be read. It was so important, that it has been on Military professional reading lists for a long time.
Andy Wolf the movie is a direct reaponse to that, it isn't trying to be the book-it is meant to oppose the book deliberately. i understand that satire isn't for everyone though. yes i read the book
No it was not. The director admitted he didn't even read the book. You can satire the book, in order to do that you have mock the points it makes. The movie did nothing of the sort. They just take the character names and make some sort of general anti facist satire that ignores the points the author was making.
@@dtho6231 The fact the military uses it for their propaganda shows pretty clearly it was ripe for satirising and its not as deep as you're making it out to be, the synopsis was plenty.
The best way I like to think of it is that Starship Troopers the movie is a satire of Starship Troopers the book, since most of the stuff the movie takes the piss out of was played completely straight in the book.
I've never read the book, but I have read ABOUT the book (ironically) and there's some who believe that the book's a satire of strong centralized governments (like a Fascist one) built around civic duties such as military service. But it seems that most readers agreed that the author was more of a fan of such governments, which isn't to say that he (the author) was in anyway a Nazi, but that he valued civic duty a great deal. The book only has one scene involving combat and it's not even against the Arachnids themselves, rather it's a raid against a humanoid colony allied with the arachnids. The book mostly follows Rico through basic training and mostly revolves around discussions about political theory and civic responsibilities. The movie had to include a lot more action, of course. And the film takes a pseudo-campy view of the political aspects of the book, but I think the director included a lot of the civic and political discourse in between the action; a more subtle, and probably a more entertaining, approach than what's been said about the book. All that said, it's a good movie. The sequels were terrible, though.
By the way. The asteroid that wiped out Buenos Aires was very likely not sent by the bugs. At no point do we see the bugs touch it at all. It was a fuckup by the navy and they shifted the blame to the bugs to get a convenient CB. It kinda points to the genius of the movie.
I'd remember Clancy Brown from when he beat up a rapist in The Shawshank Redemption? That's a bit obscure, you might just as well have said "You'll remember him as that dude that carried the cripple kid around in Earth 2" Try The Kurgan from Highlander
In the later films, especially the animated ones, MI become less ''meat grinder-feed'' conscripts and actual highly-trained commandos, complete with the powered-armour made famous in the original book.
“ >:•O RICO! YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!!! DO IT!!! >:•O”-Michael Ironside. Btw when this came out and Paul thought he put out his Magnum Opus and saw/heard the reviews he did a impersonation of the Dr. Weir Event Horizon Dream Scream “
The writer read the entire book, hated it, and wrote the film as a hit piece against every ideal the book represented. Still, I can respect that they weren't lazy about it like most Hollywood book 'adaptations'. They put a lot of effort into ripping it to pieces.
As I said, the makers of the film knew exactly what they were doing, and put an awful lot of effort into doing it. They knew the source material incredibly well, and studied it thoroughly before writing their own version completely subverting it's original intentions. If only more 'adaptations' had that level of thought put into them.
The psychic powers are actually from the book, because in the 60s and 70s for some reason psychic powers were a SciFi thing. And in the book the guy with all the missing limbs is the recruiter to discourage people from signing up, he actually doesn't use prosthetics when working and has real looking ones he wears when Johnny meats him at another time. Also the Mobile Infantry are wearing power armour in the book and each soldier is basically a super tank all by themselves, and they deploy from orbit. Basically it's kick ass and there should be another movie of it that isn't satire, I love the existing movie, but a PG-13 one that actually adapts the book *might* work.
The book is so good. It is by far my most recommended book. It has sat in the US Navy read list for a long time. The book actually follows Juan "Johnnie" Rico a citizen of Earth as he navigates his way through career progression in the Space Marines; To include, Basic training, life on a ship while underway, his return to a colony for R&R, Mental fortitude in the most difficult situations, Social implications of promotion and being promoted over people who have been there longer than you, deciding to go career, becoming an officer, officer candidacy school, and leading a bunch of dudes in powered exosuits in battle. Which in the movie never really happens until the later Starship Troopers movies. I never saw 2 and I caught a bit of 3 and just thought, "This is shit."
I have a fan theory that Carmen is actually the queen of the bugs. The entire plot of the movie happens, because at some point she realizes Johny and Liz will be naked in the shower together at some point. So she breaks up with him, nukes his parents with an asteroid and then sets up trap to kill Liz and his entire squad literally moments after he fucks her. An awful lot of details snap into place. Like the part where she made a "course correction" that happened to send her ship on crash course with the asteroid, that happens to hack off the transmission tower of the ship. That, without the course correction, would be spotted by their ship from safe distance and earth's planetary defence would be notified in advance, using said transmission tower.
I understand people see it as a satire, and maybe the creator meant for it to show the absurdity of war, but I'm 38 now, and was a kid the first time i saw this. What I have always seen is, it is a movie about redemption across the board. Every main character in this film and most secondaries, had a sort of falling from grace and then a redemption. There was a lot. Hell ironside had a double fall and redemption in his character. When you see a teacher preaching military propoganda, and parents talking trash about him doing so thats a fall. Him leaving his teaching position to going back to active service is practicing what he preached, thats redemption. Him shooting the soldier after being snatched up by the bug, thats a fall. Him telling rico to do the same to him was the redemption. Rico- went to military for a girl, but turned it around and became a hero. Psychic Nazi harris- became part of a non feeling group of scientists, but gave humanity the hope they needed to turn the war. Carmen- played the ho bag card but was integral to capturing the brain bug, and saving rico in the previous mission. Carmens pilot crush- played the part of a douche stealing ricos girl with his military status, but later let Carmen know rico was still alive, which made his death more honorable than it would have been otherwise. Even ricos parents have a fall, condeming him and cutting him off, but then later apologizing and letting him know they just want to know hes safe. I could go on and on. I was always confused how people gave this movie shit when I was younger, and even more confused when I got older and liberals are saying this movie is an anti war/fascism satire. The human race had a fall too, they searched the cosmos and found trouble. The redemption was that the human race united and became stronger in the face of annihilation. That is what I take from this movie. Robocop obviously is a dark satire with a warning of corporate entities having too much control. It points out its not the corporation necessarily that is bad, but the possibility of corruption in their ranks. Also it is a story of the strength of a persons humanity. How essentially a machine can reclaim his humanity through morality and determination. Murphy went through hell. Both great movies that ive absolutely loved.
Juan "Johnny" Rico is in all versions either Filipino or as in the movie Argentinean not American as you say on several occasions.
Kris Hodge my bad.
In the book yes, but they made no effort to portray him as such in the movie. (The movie shows him as a resident of Buenos Aires but the actor they cast doesn't look or act like he's from Argentina in the least bit.)
Joshua Sweetvale wouldn’t be the first time... but seriously, Argentina is a pretty white European country as it is.
angel lara Yeah, Francis is from Argentina. His parents were born in Italy.
BING! you beat me to it.
Imagine you'd gotten lost in this valley in China and the last human voice you hear is Karl smallwood shouting obscenities
"Ive seen plenty of women love two guys at 3am " lol
In "documentaries," no less.
@@charlesbaker7703 maybe the repair man only came for the fridge in the end?
I've seen it in person. 😄
Wait... so you're telling me that they will reboot the movie with a PG-13 rating? HOW? Will the bugs dance the dance of love and peace, holding hands, while the troopers run laps around them?
Advice_Daybreak hopefully at worst, it'll be slightly less nudity and less blood. Had a quick read up it's meant to be truer to the book, if that's the case less nudity is inevitable.
soooo more power armored bug crushing that takes the fascism to the extreme to prove a point?
Pippinn1805 less nudity isn't bad. That shit just distracted the main audience and added nothing
It might have been shown to improve the sense of connection between the unit. Once they shower together they die together.
No Facism in the book. Completely different government system movie barely touches on the actual Federation from the book and the new director for the reboot loves the book and wants it more like the book
I paused Starship Troopers so much when I was a kid, I started to wear out the VHS tape. Dizzy made me a man.
I can relate😳
Dizzy was my girl.
@@mshaman86 oh wait u guys said dizzy , I was more carmen
@@BipoIarbear ew
Go Team Carmen
Military in space, horrifying bug-like monsters and humans with strange psychic powers. This both describes Starship Troopers and Warhammer 40k.
what if its the start?
you realize 40k borrows alot from Heinleins book right?
thejonathan130 I had just realised it, so I decided to point it out in case there were any other idiots like me.
It is obvious that a Brain bug and Xenomorph Queen got drunk and did god knows what to each other and 9 months later we got Tyranids. Well at least that is my head canon.
Steve The Nerd don't forget Starcraft. Starcraft also fits the description.
He didn't try to quit the army because of the girlfriend situation. He was responsible for the accidental death of a fellow trooper in boot camp and that led to him wanting to quit.
Was he tho?
It’s the helmet scene right? The guy who *got shot from the chin through his head. All wearing the helmet would have done would have been to maybe contain the brain splatter.
More the fault of the trigger finger solider who shot him, not the main character.
When I saw this movie the first time, I came to agree with Rico's mother; Carmen was just a 'silly little girl' who wanted to look handsome in a uniform. It was also fairly clear from the beginning that her feelings for Rico were nowhere near as strong as his were for her. I wasn't surprised when she broke up with him to pursue a career in the navy.
I remember hating her too, all the scenes of Rico having a hard time in boot camp (living with the guilt of killing his comrade, being whipped, getting dumped over the phone, and just being in a boot camp) and theres the stark contrast of the girl racing her friends to the cockpit of a spaceship like she doesn't have a care in the world and everyone just loving her. Also I feel like she nearly killed the entire crew by changing their course direction and then nearly hit an asteroid, which takes out their satellite so they can't warn earth about the asteroid but she gets promoted because she narrowly missed it.-_-
We call that failing upwards.
Enlisted life vs officer life
+ Dylan McMullen Preach brother.
Carmen Ibanez was a useless character played by a useless excuse for an actress.
In space, no one can hear you fuck up
The reason why every senior member was severely injured was because the only MI members who were allowed to do desk jobs were the ones who were missing limbs, etc. The intact older MI members are senior leadership, and all officers actively fight in battles instead of leading from afar.
The problem is that this is based on a book about duty and service and the film keeps a lot of the details that make perfect sense in the book without giving any of the background or introspection that brings the sense to the absurdity. For instance, the Mobile Infantry are heavily armored soldier/technicians who pilot mech suits, not just guys in grey clunky armor and crappy helmets.
The message of the movie is actually better if you ask me, since it doesn't glorify a fascist, militaristic society.
@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo The film fails to criticise or satirise a supposed fascist society, showing no negative aspects of the society at all aside from the horrors of war.
@@firefker what are you talking about? It shows how the system changes Rico from a Young lad who was kind of open minded into another cog in the system, or how you need to be part of the military to have certain civil rights, though that is also in the book. Also there is the subtle idea that the meteor was actually an attack by the same State to start the war since, you know, how are the bugs going to shoot a meteor millions of light years away.
The movie does touch a lot of elements about fascism and authoritarism.
@@EduardoFlores-bt4fo You missed Heinlein's message from the book entirely. He made a statement that citizenship should mean something. If you don't participate become involved in the society you live, other than to take advantage of the perks and benefits, why should you have a say? There are tons of folks who just exist. They're not helping to build a society, they are just there. In the book, there were other aliens, not just the bugs. And some were on humanity's side and some weren't. That was not really translated into the movie. They made it sound like we did it all on our own.
Also your interpretation of Rico is off-base. "kind of open minded into another cog" is not the proper interpretation. A young, naive man is thrust into horrible situations where friends and compatriots are viciously killed. You think that he's not going to change?? He shouldn't? It's a testament to war, people change due to the carnage. War shouldn't be pretty and safe nor should it be considered the first action taken. In the book, Heinlein made it clear that the bugs weren't interested in peaceful coexistence with humanity. But because the director omitted the other aliens, we don't get to see that.
I actually liked the movie but I am disappointed in that we didn't get a real translation of the book. There was so much more in the book.
@@birddogne666 so the only way of polítical participation is to enlist in the army and go and kill other living beings, yes, how authoritarian.
And what are these people who never do anything yet get all the perks?
If you ever noticed, in a lot of made up military movies the nazi style of dress is used or hit on because let’s face some truth for a second. The Nazis has a sense of flair and they looked great.
Hugo Boss designed the SS uniforms. They were stylin'.
... Flair? "But they made the Jews wear it"
I thought I was the only one who believed that.
A lot of the original Nazis were homosexual.
Virtue, Virtue where are you? Prolly because the Nazis didn't implement a Bill Clinton "Don't Ask, Don't Tell Policy" lol
I read the book, haven't seen the movie. The book made the point that only those willing to serve the country should have a choice in how it's run, so the franchise was only given to those who served. Service could be in the military or in civilian programs, and the government tried to steer people away from the military. Hence the recruiters missing limbs.
Jim Fortune the book is very pro military while the movie is a parody of that idea
Glad I'm not the only one who read the book
@Numinous123 I am actually not all that surprised, given the fact that the movie (although subtely) hints at the fact that maybe, the humans are the bad guys as well. As far as I remember, you never see a bug attack a human unprovoked, the humans always shoot first. All of the fighting takes place on foreign planets that were home to the bugs first, so humans are invading their space.
And what are Neil Patrick Harris' famous last lines when reading the hive mind's mind? It's not stoic, or angered, or brooding, as most captured bad guys in any movie ever created are depicted. It's afraid. This bug is scared out of its mind, because the freaking invaders won. They will murder its entire species. And from its perspective, without any reason whatsoever.
Book was awesome....I loved the movie......
The Roman way.
I thought the reason why Rico tried to leave was because of the training incident that happened when that guy got his head blown out when taking of his helmet
That actually never happened.
He did get whipped for simulated nuking a squad member, though.
"It's a miracle! God spoke to me today! I heard his voice, it was all around me!"
"What did he say?"
"Penis!"
"And so our first-born shall be named. It has been ordained by Heaven."
Yep, "Johnny" was Fillpino in the novel but it wasn't revealed until the novel's end. BTW, the novel was quite good.
A Filipino from Buenos Aires? OK.
@@louischapman3697 Its the future..... 😂
Even as a kid I could see the satire that keeps sounding like 40s 50s propaganda
I visited Beijing, saw that t-shirt and chose not to buy it for reasons.
Why not?
Everyone here is an adult and thinks nothing specific about it....
*Tries not to giggle*
@@sarcastic_slob i'm almost 30 and still can't convince myself i'm an adult B===D~~
Imagine if Karl had a few cubes of ice in his beer cup, that would drive the fans into a frenzy.
BTW, Johnny Ricco wasn't american, he was from Buenos Aires.
You are, of course, technically correct and we all know that's the best kind of correct.
And he says kill them all
Yes, Filipino living in Buenos Aires. And that was Heinlein's little detail that he kept from the reader. You assume Rico is Latin American, but he does not reveal his Pinoy heritage until the very end.
I like to believe that in the future, all nation-states of the Americas will have joined the Union. Therefore, according to my head cannon, he's all-American.
Did you just insinuate that you have to be of a certain skin color to speak Tagalog?
I remember reading an interview with the creators when this came out, and he didn't make it sound like satire. Also, the book absolutely wasn't satirical, although I can't say the ethos made it to the screen.
Yeah, Heinland really seemed to believe that a system like that would work, and he put a ton of thought into it.
The Verhoven came along and mistook it all for Fascism because he didn't read the book and had someone else just read it and give him the cliffnotes.
@@manualcontrol5581 Heinlein wrote a tonne of different political scenarios in his fiction, though he personally ran from militaristic (he was a reserve Navy officer) to libertarian sex maniac over his career. But the most important thing about the political philosophy in Starship Troopers was that it was a framing device for a story written to entertain teenage boys in the 1950s. He wasn't trying to forment a revolution. That entire period of his writing was essentially boys adventure stories set in a world with Ray guns and rocketships.
The only good bug is a dead bug!
Don’t pour a Guinness like that, what is the matter with you?
yea cmon karl
You can't tell me what to do.
Karl needs to be stopped
Apologise for pouring it that way or I'm unsubscribing
Karl, we quite clearly can tell you what to do, it's just that it's up to you whether you do it or not.
NOW GO WASH YOUR HANDS.
I hated Denise Richards character in the movie, mostly because of the way she treated Rico but also because she was the reason for the bug meteor first destroying the communications equipment on her ship making it impossible to send out a warning to others (and getting thanked for being a good pilot) and subsequently the meteor hitting Buenos Aires. All thanks to her more efficient route calculations...
Every time I see Clancy Brown, I always think of him sword fighting Christopher Lambert in Highlander...
😁🤘
I keep thinking of him stick a motocross bike in Jared rushtons face.😂
There can be only one.
I think of Lex and Mr Krabs. The man's highly versatile.
that was the most passive aggressive intro ive ever seen, already liked
13:50 You were in the middle of the countryside "hello" is probably one of the few english words that Chinese farmer knew.
The way Carmen is walking smiling and laughing at the end of the movie after having a massive spike go through her shoulder does my head in too. So much was wrong with her character she wasn’t even needed in the movie
Honestly, Dizzy's death was the one thing that I just really didn't like about the movie. Like, I get the message it was trying to convey, but seriously, Rico and Dizzy deserved to have at least SOME happiness. Because otherwise, everything Rico did throughout the entire movie is pointless.
Dizzy is, and always has been a dude. And did and always has died on a raid on the skinnies.
Jon Tevington that first point wasn't true in the movie, and the movie is the only version of the story that I've experienced, and probably the only version I ever will.
You should read the book. It's really not that long, and other than the lack of sex is superior in every way to the movie.
Jon Tevington but I don't really care that much, especially because there's dozens of other things I could spend the same amount of time doing that I actually want to do, including reading dozens of other books that I actually own.
Besides, reading the book doesn't change the fact that there's a female character named Dizzy in both the movie and the tv series.
@@GamingWithUncleJon I like the book too, but dude, Dina Meyer... I rest my case...
I loved those stupid commercials!!!! That was my favorite part of the movie.
Me too!😁👍
The regime of Starship Troopers is awesome. Would you like to know more? Read the book.
Firmus
The movie version is retarded though. A literal satire of military incompetence in contrast to the book.
I didn't read book so I have question, are humans aggressors in this conflict ?
Depends on how you read the book. And how you interpret the cleopatra scene in the book. (you could interpret that as 'anything this society teaches the troopers about history can't be trusted' (a big issue with fascist govs)). Apart from that, I don't recall how the bug conflict started in the book. However, in the book there also are other aliens (skinnies) who also are at war with the humans.
Yes. Humans colonised planets already inhabited by bugs & when the bugs investigated in peaceful curiosity, they got shot to shit. Thus the War started.
Caved Man
No, the start of the war isn’t discussed. All we know is that it was ongoing on a small scale until the arachnids launched an asteroid at Earth.
The book is so much better. There are giant dogs in the military that are partnered with a person. Johnny in the book wanted to join that part of the military. The movie completely dropped the skinnies.
Well duh
We missed out on Giant Doggos!? What is the world coming to?!
The movie completely dropped -the skinnies- everything.
Fixed that for you.
What does skinnies mean
Don’t forget the massive power armor exosuits with built-in flamethrowers.
Oh my god I never realized it but that break up is Johnnie getting a dear john letter.
There's a much deeper subtext to Starship Troopers, about nationalism, propaganda, deception, and some religious subtext as well. You essentially gained citizenship by joining the military.
What if the person shouting Hello had fallen from the wall and was calling for help
After seeing this in my feed 4 times I’ve finally decided to watch this
When they killed off Dizzy (spoiler!), I literally got up and walked out of the theater!
The funny thing is the movie tries to convey a dark militaristic future, but it shows a world where gender and racial inequality is effectively erased, thus making the Nazi uniforms purely aesthetic.
as one review so wonderfully put it; "there's no fascism in this movie about fascism; it mistakes having an army for militarism, then mistakes militarism for fascism."
The government in the book was not fascist, ANYONE could win franchise (the right to vote not to own a MacDonald's ) but first they have to prove they can put the welfare of the whole population above their personal welfare, It is an idealistic government system that rejects so many of the people who make the politics of today so grubby.
The family of Rico were rich (ie not restricted in any way) but they did not have the right to vote (because they had not earned it but that had not negatively affected them). The core focus of the army (and the book) is honor, duty and especially, personal responsibility.
As others have mentioned Rico's native language is Filipino not English. in the book the ethnicity of the characters is ignored and the fact that Rico is not 'American' is revealed as an minor, almost immaterial, afterthought right at the end of the book. (a little Heinlein 'fuck you' to white supremacists) ie. race has become totally irrelevant, the only thing that counts is deeds.
Sexism in the book is treated in the same way, boys still lust after girls and do all the grunt work(very 50's, very Heinlein) but the most glamorous jobs in the space navy (captain and pilot) are all done by women because they just happen to be much better at it (another Heinlein 'fuck you' but this time to male supremacists).
Some of you need to learn what fascism is. This is leftist communism. Right down to the one world government.
@@generalkayoss7347 Guessing you haven't earned your citizenship, have you, General?
Nah, I was granted that at birth.
Well.... aren't you special? But you missed the point. Most armchair, monday morning badasses do. I'm a natural born US citizen, but I earned my citizenship when I rose my hand and signed that check up to and including my life...
That’s literally what fascists claim to want, in practice they don’t want elections or freedom but still
Also we’re talking about the movie not the book, the movie is a satire of fascism and the military industrial complex
If it wasn't taken as satire in 1997, by 2006 its pretty much the most on the head obvious satire of the military industrial complex, the gungho military, and the obsurd leadership of the military
maybe it had something to do with invading two countries, declaring job done, then having thousands of troops mangled by IEDs
at abotu 4:10 : I'm starting to agree that this was s secretly brilliant movie ^_^
I mean, look at the body language and expression on the Recruiter. When he releases Rico's hand from his robotic grip, he kind of throws his hand down, and when he says "The Mobile Infantry made me the man I am today" he immediately pulls away from the desk to show his missing limbs, as if he was trying to make the point that his life was destroyed by the military, while not actually being allowed to say it out loud.
Chup Smith in the book they used such vets specifically to keep enlistment low.
The point made by Heinlein was that those who support the civilization deserve to have a say in the government and not just those who are breathing by merit being breathing human beings born within the geographic limits of the government. So the movie takes this idea and pisses on it and makes the government a manipulative evil almost personality that has destroyed these young people who start out funloving and naive.
Patriotism is it good for bad is a theme in the book and the central concept is ¿what does an individual owe him or herself and his or her family and local community and the bigger government which is one's country? We can all disagree about how clearly or effectively the book deals with this theme and concept but the movie clearly is not about these two things.
The weird thing about the movie is it's pretty much the opposite of the book. In the book the military does everything to keep from people joining the guy with 1 arm no legs was meant to scare kids away. And Patrick's character was originally Rico's poor friend that ended up dying on Pluto hauling cargo.
The book is actually a very different proserviuos story.
It's more of a love square than a triangle, 'cause Dizzie.
I've seen that movie a 100 times over the years and never knew any of this. Nice!
YOU CAN'T DO A PG-13 STARSHIP TROOPER. WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU
OK but the cartoon was very different from the movie, and was awesome. Like if the cartoon tried to just copy the movie, it would have been terrible, but it did it's own thing in the same universe and was awesome. But a PG remake of the movie that was awesome largely because of the over the top action, would just be terrible.
We may very well have different taste, but the amount of bugs getting shot was on point, and the characters and story was good. Also this happened later on in the show so you probably didn't see, but Razak dies and Rico takes over the Roughnecks. And in the Hydora campaign I think they have a brain bug, which they don't explicitly show sucking brains, but you see the holes in the helmets and hear scream. Essentially it did as much as a kids show could do with Starship Troopers.
I mean the book wasnt graphic in detail. You only want an R rated Starship Troopers because of the first film. The film is not exactly 100% accurate to the book.
Yeah I've actually read the book, and there's a good amount of differences. But the thing is as a reboot they totally will want to try and copy the original, instead of doing it's own thing, like what the cartoon series did. (kinda)
They don’t shoot guns they fly the lgbt flag and day being trans in the military should be allowed
Somewhere on UA-cam is another persons Vlog about the day they were hiking near the Great Wall of China and randomly heard somebody shout Penis in the distance.
You might wanna read the book that he stole the title and characters from, since the book is about morals, ethics, and the self sacrifice. Also, Juan Rico was a Philippino. And the best part was him running into his dad in service.
Its been years since I read that book and I still remember that scene, and the automatic Nuclear missal launcher line.
In the book, Dizzy is a guy, and he dies in the intro.
I hated the movie Starship Troopers because I loved the Heinlein novel so much. The second time I watched it, I disassociated from the novel and enjoyed the movie as much as I did RoboCop.
In the novel, the MI was exclusively male and the pilots we're exclusively female.
Juan "Johnny" Rico was a Filipino. His mother died in Buenos Aires while visiting family. His father lived on in Manila.
He needs to see the film it’s a sci fi classic. I remember watching it on video as a kid in what must have been 98 and my parents cracking up and exclaiming “it has to be satire”, so it wasn’t completely lost on us 90s era dopes.
Love the "Want to know more" card towards the end 😏
Interestingly enough, the MI in the books is very small in relation to the size of the human race.
Connor the Shekelmiester and the MI are more like Spartans from halo (which my dad used to say every time he saw me playing it)
Way more than Spartans, way way more firepower in the MI
Similar to how Astartes are to the Imperium
That story at the end made me subscribe, good shit bro! XD
No, a big part of it was that they had Carmen making out with the other guy from the night of the game back in high school. Then they introduced all of the rest.
I love the “I love BJ” shirt. After watching the video and hearing the story of when you got it I immediately went and told my girlfriend about it. We both shared a laugh.
I will always love starship troopers
The Sargent or whatever will always be the guy from Highlander that safety pinned his head back on to me 😅
Mobile infantry, did you mean the Imperial Guard?
describing Starship Troopers using 40K factions
Movie: The Imperial Guard without their tanks
Book: The Tau with only Battlesuits
Imagine that person saying hello was lost/stranded and was looking for help, as that was the unpatrolled section
Quite honestly the main reason for most of the issues the movie had at release was because they didn't say or advertise what the movie actually was.
The original novel is something that is pretty much one of the great scifi novels out there, the military has people read it, and they capitalized on the people who were fans of that to try drawing people in to watch the movie.
They didn't get the movie they were promised, they got one that seemed to mock what they came to see.
The movie was great for what it was, but it did create a massive issue there.
as they address in this video, verhoeven incorrectly assumed that the movie-going public would have caught onto his satyrical nature by now. which they CLEARLY had not done.
The problem with it is that Starship Troopers is, essentially, a modern classic novel. People expected it to be a movie taking the novels setup seriously rather than making it a joke.
The satire is something that a lot of people who loved the novel saw as verhoeven mocking a book that means a lot to people and then complaining that they didn't get the joke.
The marketing for the movie didn't help much there either...
In many ways, it would be the same sort of thing as making a movie with evil, twisted orphans who are pretty much shown as undeserving of any sympathy and calling it Oliver Twist. Then you market it hiding that and pointing towards the classic novel. You'd have a lot of angry people because of it.
@@AzraelThanatos The fact the military uses it like that shows exactly why it was chosen for satirising.
I think the male pilot is under appreciated. He's obviously quite talented to be the first officer of that ship at such a young age. He agreed to put rank aside and fight Johnny like a man. He also came to Johnny's rescue at Whiskey Outpost being the last person back on the retrieval ship and told Carmen Johnny was on board. To top it all off he made sure Carmen abandoned ship and even gave her the knife sacrificing himself and saying "One day one of my kind will kill you." I almost feel like Carmen inherited the role of Captain as she has almost no leadership skills to speak of. Which is a real shame because I love the ST : Invasion version of her character alot.
In the book, they had power armor that made halo look stupid. They had tactical nukes, multiple of them, and jet packs, and what not. and they had tanks, they werent just joe smoe facing off against bugzilla
Astartes Power Armor?
@@mroppossum4100 Nah.
The Astartes copied the MI Marauder.
(No...seriously. Heinlein's Mobile Infantry were the entire inspiration for the Adeptus Astartes.)
The subtext of the movie is that the bugs were living peacefully off on their own and the humans attacked them provoking the reprisals that kicked off the war.
The movie is NOT about saving the world from the bugs. Sure that's how it's portrayed to the characters, but ignoring the fact that it's impossible for a meteor to travel from the Klandathu system to Earth in any reasonable amount of time (meaning it was either a false flag or natural but blamed on the bugs), even if the bugs DID have something to do with it, we were encroaching in on their territory and it could be argued that we were the aggressors.
It was more than one asteroid. Aimed by the bugs.
I don't remember them mentioning anywhere other than Buenos Aires, and if Klandathu is on the other side of the galaxy, how did it get to earth?
RRW they have some very smart bugs
"plot magic" The whole asteroid thing was nonsense. Verhoeven was an ass who demolished the book and lowered it to a 3rd grade level.
In the book the bugs, while working through a hive structure and with workers and warriors being simple drones to their duties, were NOT stupid. Those bugs built spacecraft, advanced weapons, FTL travel, and cities. They smashed Buenos Aires with a surprise attack using spacecraft, not rocks.
In addition it was clear enough in the book that the fight was over property. Both races are smart and growing. Both have an interest in the same real estate to survive. Either your species is growing or shrinking and the bugs want the territory we are on. Differences in matters such as the value of life between the species, recognition of sentience, will and ability to communicate drove the fight.
@@kennethfharkin to a 3rd grade level and you somehow missed the meteors being caused by the bugs was nonsense because it was obvious propaganda to justify the conflict.
By far my favorite intro for any video... ever.
So... They aren't American in this movie the characters are from Argentina.
they are... because US is in the continent of America... *triggered gringos incoming*
Casper Van Dien was born to play Johnny Rico -but he was not born to play anybody else.
Clancy will always be Lex Luthor to me.
He's the Kurgan.
Great movie.
The directors idea of "satire" is different than most I think. Did a great job of making a fun movie to watch.
The scene where the kids are stepping on bugs and the teacher is ecstatic is my favorite.
Has to be one of my favorites, remember seeing it in theaters. 😅
While the original film was in production, the film company decided to display one of their model bugs at the 1997 World Science Fiction Convention (WorldCon), in the con's marketplace venue (commonly called dealers room or hucksters room). These were science fiction fans, and that year it was in San Antonio,TX so of course the wags had to put up their own sign at the display: LESSER TEXAS HOUSE ROACH. I regret not taking a photo of it when I had the chance.
This is so british i cant help but sub
Imagine the person who said hello had fallen and had been shouting for help and then they just heard that
I mean, I'm over here hoping the remake will actually follow the book
Doubt it, in today's political climate.
I hope for that too, but it wont be done without some heavy pollution of the books core ideas. The Roman republicanism style government it promotes will just be painted as Nazism again and publishers wont want to risk the backlash. Maybe in 20-30 years once PC culture is fully exposed and crushed.
Although in the meantime I'd settle for a movie that abstains from any politics, but at the very least gets the MI right. Power armour, jet packs and heavy weapons in all their glory. Not Human wave 'tactics' with rifles and flak vests getting slaughtered like the Chinese in Korea.
BULLY HUNTER_77 or the Imperial Guard AKA Astra militarum.
what we need is a reboot of a second film and so on, the first one was perfect.
I'm not sure that they would follow the book. While it would be nice. Remakes that actually follow the written source materials instead of going their own way have been panned to a fair extent unfortunately. specially in the sci-fi/action genre. Total Recall is a fine example of a book being much closer and better portraying the source materials. yet many hated it because it wasn't a remake of the actually poorly done movie with Arnold since the movie is considered so Iconic.
Funny enough the book actually has the theme that a few well trained specialists in powered armor are the evolution of the military and replace mass assaults. And also, everyone fights, from the cook to the priest. There are no infantry soldiers not actually fighting. The movie is funny and satirical in and of itself but fails to show a lot of the merits of the original story.
The satire didnt work for me because the "nebulous threat" was in fact a serious unwavering threat! It wasnt like the warmongering humans were doing anything particularly wrong when facing a truely murderous enemy.
At least in the novel they were treated as another sentient race, along with the second alien race.
The forever war might work well for you then. Very similar to star ship troopers, but also dealing with PTSD and that wars are fought over stupid ridiculous things.
Fighting Aliens that hurl asteroids at your planet is not a stupid war. You'd be dead without it.
Let me guess, you're one of these anti-Trump leftists confused about what gender you are?
Except they weren't a threat. They literally didn't instigate any of the conflict, even the thing they got blamed for was pretty obviously propaganda as the bugs have no way to slingshot a meteor yet alone get it to hit Earth anywhere near that quickly. The bugs were dangerous yes, but they were only ever fought on their planets, not the human worlds. We only saw the bugs reaction to facing a truly murderous enemy.
They brought her back during the third movie. They actually never got back together. It actually showed her with her Fiance which was a high up in the chain of command.
But in the animated movies isn't she married to rico
SuperSoldierS117 Wrong that is a completely different character Rico had relationship with.
White she Devil Nope, they are not.
This movie is the ultimate "in the book......."
that's what happens when the director can't be bothered to read it and just asks someone else to give him a summery.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC And some people pretend there was all that much to the book anyways.
The amount of times the word "satire" is used shows how fast Heinlein is spinning in his grave
Poor Dizz :(
I saw that movie in the theater, and when she broke up with him, some dude in the audience yelled, DOH! Biggest laugh of the whole movie.
the animated series was much better than the movie.
no one seems to remember that its based on a novel by robert heinlein. and the novel was less about fighting the bugs and more about putting a mirror up to society, and showing its best and worst features.
I didn't get it was a satire back in the day (I was a kid, that's my excuse) and i hated it. Now that I get it I appreciate it more, but the people who are scary are the ones who both didn't understand that it was satire AND liked the message of the movie.
The way you poured that Guinness was an insult!
The film is fun, but should never be considered the real Starship Troopers. The novel was game changing and must be read. It was so important, that it has been on Military professional reading lists for a long time.
Andy Wolf the movie is a direct reaponse to that, it isn't trying to be the book-it is meant to oppose the book deliberately. i understand that satire isn't for everyone though. yes i read the book
No it was not. The director admitted he didn't even read the book. You can satire the book, in order to do that you have mock the points it makes. The movie did nothing of the sort. They just take the character names and make some sort of general anti facist satire that ignores the points the author was making.
Fuck you. The film is better than Heinlein’s cryptofascist bullshit novel, you fucking moron
@@dtho6231 The fact the military uses it for their propaganda shows pretty clearly it was ripe for satirising and its not as deep as you're making it out to be, the synopsis was plenty.
The best way I like to think of it is that Starship Troopers the movie is a satire of Starship Troopers the book, since most of the stuff the movie takes the piss out of was played completely straight in the book.
I've never read the book, but I have read ABOUT the book (ironically) and there's some who believe that the book's a satire of strong centralized governments (like a Fascist one) built around civic duties such as military service. But it seems that most readers agreed that the author was more of a fan of such governments, which isn't to say that he (the author) was in anyway a Nazi, but that he valued civic duty a great deal.
The book only has one scene involving combat and it's not even against the Arachnids themselves, rather it's a raid against a humanoid colony allied with the arachnids. The book mostly follows Rico through basic training and mostly revolves around discussions about political theory and civic responsibilities.
The movie had to include a lot more action, of course. And the film takes a pseudo-campy view of the political aspects of the book, but I think the director included a lot of the civic and political discourse in between the action; a more subtle, and probably a more entertaining, approach than what's been said about the book.
All that said, it's a good movie. The sequels were terrible, though.
By the way. The asteroid that wiped out Buenos Aires was very likely not sent by the bugs. At no point do we see the bugs touch it at all. It was a fuckup by the navy and they shifted the blame to the bugs to get a convenient CB. It kinda points to the genius of the movie.
Sounds like someone’s never read the book or heard the audio book, at a minimum.
He's right. In addition, I disliked both of the secondary love interests at first but they won me over by the end and I was mad they both died.
I'd remember Clancy Brown from when he beat up a rapist in The Shawshank Redemption?
That's a bit obscure, you might just as well have said "You'll remember him as that dude that carried the cripple kid around in Earth 2"
Try The Kurgan from Highlander
As a former Blockbuster employee, I can confirm we stocked this movie in the comedy section
Uhh, interesting shirt.
In the later films, especially the animated ones, MI become less ''meat grinder-feed'' conscripts and actual highly-trained commandos, complete with the powered-armour made famous in the original book.
“ >:•O RICO! YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO!!! DO IT!!! >:•O”-Michael Ironside. Btw when this came out and Paul thought he put out his Magnum Opus and saw/heard the reviews he did a impersonation of the Dr. Weir Event Horizon Dream Scream “
How dare you disrespect beer pouring it like that. Need a beer man?
I'M YOUR MAN.
It was based on a book but the film writer read only the first chapter then made up the rest.
The writer read the entire book, hated it, and wrote the film as a hit piece against every ideal the book represented. Still, I can respect that they weren't lazy about it like most Hollywood book 'adaptations'. They put a lot of effort into ripping it to pieces.
the book wasn't satire. nobody would have wanted to see a picture about the disturbed ideals there. it was perfect as it was.
As I said, the makers of the film knew exactly what they were doing, and put an awful lot of effort into doing it. They knew the source material incredibly well, and studied it thoroughly before writing their own version completely subverting it's original intentions. If only more 'adaptations' had that level of thought put into them.
isn't kinda of scummy to still use it's title to sell copies if its satire of the original work, shouldn't it be a different IP if thats the case.
Except they bought the rights to it. With money. Also, it's the movie industry, what ISN'T scummy? :D
The psychic powers are actually from the book, because in the 60s and 70s for some reason psychic powers were a SciFi thing.
And in the book the guy with all the missing limbs is the recruiter to discourage people from signing up, he actually doesn't use prosthetics when working and has real looking ones he wears when Johnny meats him at another time. Also the Mobile Infantry are wearing power armour in the book and each soldier is basically a super tank all by themselves, and they deploy from orbit. Basically it's kick ass and there should be another movie of it that isn't satire, I love the existing movie, but a PG-13 one that actually adapts the book *might* work.
Dizzy so hot. Oof
The book is so good. It is by far my most recommended book. It has sat in the US Navy read list for a long time. The book actually follows Juan "Johnnie" Rico a citizen of Earth as he navigates his way through career progression in the Space Marines; To include, Basic training, life on a ship while underway, his return to a colony for R&R, Mental fortitude in the most difficult situations, Social implications of promotion and being promoted over people who have been there longer than you, deciding to go career, becoming an officer, officer candidacy school, and leading a bunch of dudes in powered exosuits in battle. Which in the movie never really happens until the later Starship Troopers movies. I never saw 2 and I caught a bit of 3 and just thought, "This is shit."
I have a fan theory that Carmen is actually the queen of the bugs. The entire plot of the movie happens, because at some point she realizes Johny and Liz will be naked in the shower together at some point. So she breaks up with him, nukes his parents with an asteroid and then sets up trap to kill Liz and his entire squad literally moments after he fucks her.
An awful lot of details snap into place. Like the part where she made a "course correction" that happened to send her ship on crash course with the asteroid, that happens to hack off the transmission tower of the ship. That, without the course correction, would be spotted by their ship from safe distance and earth's planetary defence would be notified in advance, using said transmission tower.
KohuGaly Sounds cool
Without her course correction they wouldn't have even been in the right part of space to detect the asteroid.
I understand people see it as a satire, and maybe the creator meant for it to show the absurdity of war, but I'm 38 now, and was a kid the first time i saw this. What I have always seen is, it is a movie about redemption across the board. Every main character in this film and most secondaries, had a sort of falling from grace and then a redemption. There was a lot. Hell ironside had a double fall and redemption in his character. When you see a teacher preaching military propoganda, and parents talking trash about him doing so thats a fall. Him leaving his teaching position to going back to active service is practicing what he preached, thats redemption. Him shooting the soldier after being snatched up by the bug, thats a fall. Him telling rico to do the same to him was the redemption. Rico- went to military for a girl, but turned it around and became a hero. Psychic Nazi harris- became part of a non feeling group of scientists, but gave humanity the hope they needed to turn the war. Carmen- played the ho bag card but was integral to capturing the brain bug, and saving rico in the previous mission. Carmens pilot crush- played the part of a douche stealing ricos girl with his military status, but later let Carmen know rico was still alive, which made his death more honorable than it would have been otherwise. Even ricos parents have a fall, condeming him and cutting him off, but then later apologizing and letting him know they just want to know hes safe. I could go on and on. I was always confused how people gave this movie shit when I was younger, and even more confused when I got older and liberals are saying this movie is an anti war/fascism satire. The human race had a fall too, they searched the cosmos and found trouble. The redemption was that the human race united and became stronger in the face of annihilation. That is what I take from this movie. Robocop obviously is a dark satire with a warning of corporate entities having too much control. It points out its not the corporation necessarily that is bad, but the possibility of corruption in their ranks. Also it is a story of the strength of a persons humanity. How essentially a machine can reclaim his humanity through morality and determination. Murphy went through hell. Both great movies that ive absolutely loved.